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| Comedy How-to, Any advice? Got Bait?
Posted: 1/4/2008 2:25:29 AM |
Wow, jaded place huh? Miss "I don't go for jokes" , you read many WOMENS profiles? wtf? I must apologize, I messed up, didn't realize the Internet is only for you and we are all here just chasin' your ass....sigh! As to the 'conversation' comment well there is a different thread for that isn't there.....double sigh! I believe I said 'COMEDY'.
Somehow wanting to develop the skill of being fun and funny means I have to belittle others? wtf? I reiterate, I said 'COMEDY' not bullying.....geesh!
Ah, pick up lines, give me a freakin' break buddy! I SAID COMEDY!
I have heard that there is structure in comedy, though, it is seeming to be that I will likel need to research that myself, maybe out on the 'less jaded' Internet.
Oh well good fishing to those of you that can read and understand "whole sentences".......lol
This was a spectacularly rude response to some actually helpful suggestions.
The girl you so snidely termed "Miss I don't go for jokes" and then then were INCREDIBLY RUDE TO was right. She was referring specifically to "jokes". To long stories that end with a punchline. There's a time and place for a good joke but "being funny" and "telling jokes" is NOT the same thing. Being funny is about intelligence, confidence and delivery. You lack those things, and you're not funny. Plain and simple. You can learn all the best jokes and you won't be funny. Her conversation point was also spot on. There's a big difference between telling a joke and having a witty conversation with someone. And frankly you'd have to be a moron not to get that.
Bullying, again if you had the wit [note here a double meaning, contrasting "wit" in terms of intellect with the "wit" of comedy, which makes it relevant and yet understated... see how comedy works] to actually follow what he was saying he wasn't referring to bullying. Many people find cruel humour and jokes about other people (third parties, like that girl at the table with the huge nose) funny. Don't go there. Make light fun of yourself. Make wry observations. The point is to be positive in your jokes, and make sure nothing you say can be taken as a negative. And frankly you'd have to be a moron not to get that. [note the repeated use of the same comment? Classic!]
The guy who referred to the pickup lines was also right, and unusually succint in saying it. There's a saying "brevity is the soul of wit" which is very accurate. Short, sharp, punchy comments are invariably funnier than rambling stories. His point, and I'm going to make it longer because I love hearing myself talk, is that this isn't the sort of thing you can "be taught". It's something that's inherently in you or it's not, and trying to learn some "funniness" is like trying to learn some pickup lines. It's both artificial and ineffectual.
And then you insulted everyone, finishing with "lol" like that made it Ok.
It didn't.
I think you're a jackass, but I'm going to offer some genuinely helpful advice anyway.
1. You are either funny or you're not. Much like you're either intelligent or not. You can't just come on a forum and say "how do I be smarter". In my opinion humour is a factor of both intelligence and confidence. You can't have humour without both of those things.
2. I think a good sense of humour is something of a myth. Everyone says they have one. All women say they want it, but what actually IS a good sense of humour? It's so subjective and vague it's meaningless.
Collorary to that: I'm funny. I mean that seriously. I'm really funny in person. Wry, witty, clever. I make pretty much everyone laugh when I talk to them, whether in big groups or small, one on one, whatever. And yet most of my adult life I've been single. Going on three years at present. While I can make a girl laugh non-stop through hours of funny and intelligent conversation, there's still every chance that at the end of the night she's going to leave with the guy with a nice smile and shiny car.
Being funny... is an excellent way to make friends.  | |
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| Comedy How-to, Any advice? Got Bait?
Posted: 1/4/2008 2:31:29 AM | I've read the OP's posts, I gotta say, whether this guy knows it or not I think he's very funny.
I'm seriously laughing right now.
*Tip when approaching a woman, do not make fun of others, or yourself too much because belitting others makes you look like a**** self deprecating humour (my specialty) doesn't go down well either, it highlights your flaws... probably why I'm single.. and have this ridiculous beard...
*Tip # 2 You can't research and practice a sense of humour, also women don't find being insulted very funny and you sir are doing a lot of that. Seriously... Good Game.
Just keep telling yourself they're laughing on the inside while you're watching them walk away from you though haha. | |
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| Comedy How-to, Any advice? Got Bait?
Posted: 1/4/2008 4:03:44 AM | Based on your response in post 5 I'd say that you're hillarious and the respect you show for people in conversation certainly speaks for itself.
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| Comedy How-to, Any advice? Got Bait?
Posted: 1/4/2008 4:38:01 AM | Self-deprecating works well...if you don't overdo it.
If you're not a funny guy..then you're not.
Just be yourself.....
That seems to work best | |
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| Comedy How-to, Any advice? Got Bait?
Posted: 1/4/2008 5:00:24 AM | I have to agree with a lot of the other posters on here..the OP is hilarious.
What a great catch and such a funny funny guy!
Signed
the one you called
Miss 'I don't go for jokes'
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| Comedy How-to, Any advice? Got Bait?
Posted: 1/4/2008 5:07:28 AM | I'm not sure that it can be learned. I'm only funny in certain circles, but my clowning/joking ability grew out of a coping mechanism as a child.
Watching a lot of comedy helps-- but only if you enjoy it. Don't watch to "study up" - watch because it amuses you.
Whatever kind of humor you like will eventually become evident in your joking if you have enough exposure-- at least, I imagine it would. | |
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| Comedy How-to, Any advice? Got Bait?
Posted: 1/4/2008 6:06:49 AM | Humour can be learned. You may not be naturally good at it, but like any skill - public speaking, woodwork, painting - there are way to improve yourself.
Try reading this:
http://www.ebookee.com/The-Comic-Toolbox-How-to-Be-Funny-Even-If-You-re-Not_111577.html
It explains some of the basic formulas behind humour. Why we find some things funny, and not others. It's primarily for comedy writing, but if you take the concepts and apply them to everyday life (building them into your natural mindeset, as it were) things will come to you much more easily. | |
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| Comedy How-to, Any advice? Got Bait?
Posted: 1/4/2008 6:55:53 AM |
It explains some of the basic formulas behind humour. Why we find some things funny, and not others. It's primarily for comedy writing, but if you take the concepts and apply them to everyday life (building them into your natural mindeset, as it were) things will come to you much more easily.
Well said!
One of the things that annoys me of this place is how the constant recommendation is that pretty much if you ain't got it, you are not going to get it, so pretty much stop trying. So people say to "be yourself", thus any attempt at learning something, trying something, becoming something should be futile.
Humour can be learned.
Yes indeed. Will it make you a comedic genius? Absolutely not. But if you are a stiff, at least it will help you loosen up. And that in itself is a great accomplishment. So go learn something, anything, even how to fart if E minor. | |
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| Comedy How-to, Any advice? Got Bait?
Posted: 1/4/2008 7:08:10 AM | I think of myself as a reasonably amusing individual, if for no other reason than the fact my parents are English, which makes for extremely poor culinary skills, which means that in order to explain to your mom that there's room for improvement, you need to do it in such a way you keep your limbs and teeth intact.
Anyway, the point being is I'm going to read this thing, because being more funny is better than being uh... less funny? Yes, that sounds like it might be the case. | |
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| Comedy How-to, Any advice? Got Bait?
Posted: 1/4/2008 7:12:38 AM | ^^^^^^^now that's funny! 
Us English? Poor culinary skills?
*cough*
*wanders off to the cookery forum...wooden spoon in hand and flour in hair* | |
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| Comedy How-to, Any advice? Got Bait?
Posted: 1/4/2008 8:00:18 AM |
I think of myself as a reasonably amusing individual, if for no other reason than the fact my parents are English, which makes for extremely poor culinary skills, which means that in order to explain to your mom that there's room for improvement, you need to do it in such a way you keep your limbs and teeth intact.
Thank god for bad culinary skills. Imagine you had good culinary skills, like the French, then next thing you would end up doing Jerry Lewis imitations. Just shot me now. | |
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| Comedy How-to, Any advice? Got Bait?
Posted: 1/4/2008 8:00:56 AM | whitegold765: Hmmm? Wow, So you consider yourself funny and yet?
2. I think a good sense of humour is something of a myth. Everyone says they have one. All women say they want it, but what actually IS a good sense of humour? It's so subjective and vague it's meaningless.
REALLY, that being said and after reading your post I bet life is a real ball hanging out with you! I never thought one could be Jaded about humor, color me surprised. Oh and yes!, just as you are entitled to your opinion, I am mine. I do not recall ever asking for jokes or ever asking to be informed of 'what is NOT funny' I asked about methods, structure and the like, you know COMEDY!
Quote from www.dictionary.com
com·e·dy
1. a play, movie, etc., of light and humorous character with a happy or cheerful ending; a dramatic work in which the central motif is the triumph over adverse circumstance, resulting in a successful or happy conclusion.
2. that branch of the drama which concerns itself with this form of composition.
3. the comic element of drama, of literature generally, or of life.
4. any literary composition dealing with a theme suitable for comedy, or employing the methods of comedy.
5. any comic or humorous incident or series of incidents.
Funny, the dictionary includes words such as 'composition' and 'method'. Am I missing something here? I refer you to Post #33 'DARKNIGHT' and the response of a good hearted 'reasonable' man.
EXPOLOSIVESHEEP: Thanks dude, was that sarcasm, or do we have a problem with me not 'catering' to what 'every' woman wants to hear? Hmm? Gotta wonder huh? Besides, speaking to the intent of my OP I'm not looking for 'they' My effort is to improve myself so that the ONE I seek, the one that actually gets ME, has nothing but fun!
3ClubMonkey: No comment worth rehashing, did you ever read (and understand) the original post?
cocoytus: Point taken and agreed!
Self-deprecating works well...if you don't overdo it.
Though I feel you may find post #33 from 'DARKNIGHT' very informative and helpful. Still good post of a point that to ponder(sorry this AM, I got no good 'kick myself in the balls yokes)
Blueskies123: Thanks for your input and the compliment! (for those that need to know that is Sarcasm)
.Marc: Thanks guy, I get the point 'osmosis' is the theory. I can't say I totally agree. I am an adult and a man I believe that with effort I can learn any skill and I do when it's required.
SLYNIGHT: "Bingo" Hit the head on the nail, directly. Wow! man, THANK YOU!
Humour can be learned. You may not be naturally good at it, but like any skill - public speaking, woodwork, painting - there are way to improve yourself.
Try reading this:
http://www.ebookee.com/The-Comic-Toolbox-How-to-Be-Funny-Even-If-You-re-Not_111577.html
It explains some of the basic formulas behind humour. Why we find some things funny, and not others. It's primarily for comedy writing, but if you take the concepts and apply them to everyday life (building them into your natural mindset, as it were) things will come to you much more easily.
Nice work my friend, you actually answered the original post with an excellent response that never strayed off of the original intent of my article. I very much appreciate your effort to inform me that I don't have to accept this notion that people are who they are and they can never change or improve their lot in life.
Nice, Dude. I'm guessing that you score REALLY high on the listening skills tests as well as those for reasoning! If I had the monthly curse I'd likely consider you 'real bite on the bait' I wish you the best in your happiness, health and 
P.S. As to the other latest posters: | |
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| Comedy How-to, Any advice? Got Bait?
Posted: 1/4/2008 8:07:07 AM | SLYNIGHT: Sorry dude in previous post I referred to you in some parts as 'DARKNIGHT', Damn dude, I'm sorry! Maybe, I was blinded by the shiny armor...lol
I wish you good fortune, peace of mind(that which I feel you already have) and GREAT | |
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| Comedy How-to, Any advice? Got Bait?
Posted: 1/4/2008 10:15:52 AM |
Wow, jaded place huh? Miss "I don't go for jokes" , you read many WOMENS profiles? wtf? I must apologize, I messed up, didn't realize the Internet is only for you and we are all here just chasin' your ass....sigh! As to the 'conversation' comment well there is a different thread for that isn't there.....double sigh! I believe I said 'COMEDY'.
Somehow wanting to develop the skill of being fun and funny means I have to belittle others? wtf? I reiterate, I said 'COMEDY' not bullying.....geesh!
Ah, pick up lines, give me a freakin' break buddy! I SAID COMEDY!
LMAO! I can now see why your searching to better yourself OP.
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| Comedy How-to, Any advice? Got Bait?
Posted: 1/4/2008 11:39:08 AM | Speaking as someone that makes people snort with laughter in public and private, I'd recommend two things:
1. take improv comedy - usually local troupes have drop in nights or courses
and closely related
2. get rid of the fear of looking silly.
Cheers,
Mike (humour is in the moment; jokes are historical and sometimes hysterical) | |
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| Comedy How-to, Any advice? Got Bait?
Posted: 1/4/2008 12:29:15 PM | Mr. DYNOMITE: No Comment, to no useless unclear comment. 
Urbanx: Your first tip, well, I hadn't really thought of that. So maybe there are places, where us fools that feel we can change our skills, can learn to be more than humor-less clowns, is there a pay increase for graduation too?
That second tip, as well as the first, does give me something valid to ponder, who knows maybe on my way to an "ah ha". I LIKE IT!
2. get rid of the fear of looking silly.
I don't feel I have that fear though, hmmm?, I'm starting to wonder if this OP is making me look silly, or maybe just some of my flame responses.....lol
Thanks for the great tips Urbanx I'll likely use 'em too. Got copyright yet? Good to you my friend. | |
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| Comedy How-to, Any advice? Got Bait?
Posted: 1/4/2008 1:51:05 PM |
is there a pay increase for graduation too?
Speaking from personal experience, yes. The lessons in interaction, presentation skills and being in the moment I gained from my acting and improv training and experience have paid off enormously in terms of my career.
On the other hand, I only managed to get paid $70 one summer directly from acting. Just like my poker playing skills, the real value has been in transfering the ability and knowledge to the 'real' world.
One last thought:
A study of men and women found that they agreed that it was very important to both sexes that their partners had a sense of humour. However, the study also found that -- in general -- men meant that they liked someone that laughed at their jokes, while women liked someone that made them laugh.
Cheers,
Mike (Do you think gay couples take turns? "No, it's my turn to laugh tonight!") | |
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| Comedy How-to, Any advice? Got Bait?
Posted: 1/4/2008 6:36:03 PM | Blueskies123:Thanks, Can't find anyone else to confuse and insult today?
I'm over it maybe you might think of the same we have no investment in each other and won't be so, please feel free to go on with your life without any malice from me. I understand you have an opinion and I am ok with that. Have a nice day there Blueskies1233.
As for the rest of the following this thread
I have more than enough information to absorb and review with the addition of a book to review. Thanks again to SLYNIGHT for an excellent idea, a "how to" book (here's the link for you again if you missed it, though read his review in post #33) http://www.ebookee.com/The-Comic-Toolbox-How-to-Be-Funny-Even-If-You-re-Not_111577.html
Some of you, ah, just to mention a few; Urbanx, Slynight, Outmind, as well as others, have gifted us with some really good ideas and I now have much information to absorb and review, especially the book (took a peek and I love it so far) , SO, I may not be as attentive  to posts for the next bit.
I will come back with a review should this thread still be here by the time I can finish "The Comic Toolbox" and of course some time to honestly try out some of the exercises. 
Good Karma and Good to you all! | |
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| Comedy How-to, Any advice? Got Bait?
Posted: 1/4/2008 6:43:19 PM | Um..I don't care about confusing...as for insulting..I was nowhere near as insultng to you as you were to me in msg 5 of this thread.
I initially offered help - don't reel off jokes..it's a converstaion killer.
There was no need to call me names for it. | |
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| Comedy How-to, Any advice? Got Bait?
Posted: 1/4/2008 8:01:48 PM | Comedy is easy enough to learn. Read books, and with your new insight watch comics at work. No, this does not mean take a stack of comic books to the office and stare at them, Mr. Funny Guy. Turn on the TV and parse the act. Timing comes with practice. But do you really want to give more women even more reason to laugh at you?
The women who ask for a man to make them laugh are unfortunately bereft of their own supply of humor, and so must attach like a parasite onto a host man for his precious mirth. Then in short order they drain him dry and leave him dull and empty, moving on to their next, in a never ending and futile quest for the perfect funny bone.
In my limited and mostly imaginary experience with women, the only hope of "laughing as one" is to ignore selfish pleas for entertainment and rely instead on your own pleasure as a guide. Continue to amuse yourself, add the woman as a new source of that amusement, and then with some tact you can share those comical observations that are not quite so obviously at her expense. | |
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| Comedy How-to, Any advice? Got Bait?
Posted: 1/4/2008 8:35:33 PM | ~ I used to be an Accountant . .
but I couldn't account for Myself!! ~
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~ There IS no Gravity . .
California Sucks . . ! ~ | |
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| Comedy How-to, Any advice? Got Bait?
Posted: 1/4/2008 11:59:08 PM | Blueskies123: Ah, what the hell, I'll take the bait!  "There was no need to call me names?" You say, hmmm? what is this about? likely, (Miss "I don't go for jokes") I didn't really consider this a name, or a negative comment, merely a quote from your post above ah, Msg #4 as quoted below.
Don't go for jokes...they are not the way to keep a conversation interesting.
It's tedious hearing someone reel through their jokes!
As for the confusing comment from myself: Look up 'comprehension' in the dictionary, then reread my OP (original post), reread your reply and inform me on how they are related. Do these statements of your post answer the questions asked? If so, How?
[bold]Now if your intentions were 'always intended' to be helpful as you have stated[/bold]
Then you might think of leaving me be to my own peace of mind, or, choose to understand that we might 'actually' have misunderstood each other and let bygones be bygones (whatever the heck that means).
Still, either way, have a nice day  | |
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| Comedy How-to, Any advice? Got Bait?
Posted: 1/5/2008 4:38:59 AM | I'd be leaning towards her having tried to be helpful there. I mean I doubt many women want you to be practicing your stand up routine while you're supposed to be gettin to know them!
A few people actually clarified this, cause I think you misunderstood her, that you don't need to tell actual jokes so much as be sarcastic or say witty things the right time. No girl wants to date a clown, but someone layed back with a sense of humour, able to laugh at themselves and others without being particularly rude, that's kinda the idea.
All I'm gettin as is that all women, including the "one" for you will respond better when you relax a bit I'd think.
The thing about women is, if you lip 1 off for obscure reasons (believe me this is one of those times) they'll know somehow and hold it against you.
Anyway I'm trying to help you out here, whether you know it or meant to, a lot of your comments seem really condescending and no ammount jokes about about chickens being good at tennis, bag pipes, George Bush or the French is gonna make you look good unless you tone it down a bit. | |
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