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| History made tonight, Barack Obama wins in Iowa!! Posted: 1/4/2008 12:06:56 PM | I once Supported Hillary before Barack emerged on to the scene, But After watching him perform I cant help but think of the feeling he gives me when he speaks, especially the post Iowa caucuss. Its almost reminicent of the feelings I've heard others tell me they got when the watched JFK and RFK speak back in the days.
Hopefully this will not end for him as it did for the Kennedy brothers.
Hillary is a fomidable candidate, but apparently so is Barack! This isnt over by a long shot, but it wont be the cake walk Clinton might of imagined it would be.
As far as experience is concerned, I dont think it matters much, JFK had little more than Obama does today and the fact that we are in the information age of cell phones, open societies, satellite tv, and endless means of reseach rite through your computer I dare say that Barack may have more experience or knowledge than JFK did at this same point in his political career.
He will make a good President because he's honest, and down to earth, and hasnt been corrupted towards the "business as usual K street crowd" in Washington. | |
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| History made tonight, Barack Obama wins in Iowa!! Posted: 1/4/2008 12:16:09 PM | What is wrong with this statement:
A Black man named Barack wins the Democratic caucuses
is that it embraces 'division' between people -- more than helping to define a black man's 'place' in this world. An historical event? I don't think so. Black men have been leaders in our country for years -- unless we underrate and fail to give credit where due. It was the black man's (as well as American Indian's) sweat and labor that built this country. People aren't defined or owned by another's color...(unless they adopt that view); they are defined by their own prejudisms. The U.S. flag is red, white and blue -- the last time I looked.
What about Barack's political strengths and politcal campaign being stated in the OP by a black man?
That said -- this man will not be getting my vote because he is weak on the issues and his campaign for 'change' isn't built upon political strengths (his skin color has nothing to do with my vote). I do note that he carries himself well though, despite my personal conservative political leanings. | |
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| History made tonight, Barack Obama wins in Iowa!! Posted: 1/4/2008 12:44:45 PM | In Reply to the above posters ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Theres nothing wrong with that statement at all. Has any black man, or woman of any race ever won a primary for either party in the history of this country??
Answer is no, so therefor the statement that titles the thread, and the quote you single out from the OP still holds true, It was/is History in the making!
Is that the reason he won? of course not, he won over two white candidates (both of whom I also like) in a State 95% white. I dont think Iowan's voted for him because he was black, but rather because they like his message and identify with his character.
He represents a new hope for an American public which was so blatently abused by the current group in Washington.
There are plenty threads on here which discuss him where you may find additional information on him. This one just celebrates the moment in history, hopefully not the last of several more historical moments in the making.
He shouldnt be viewed from one political ideology or another, but as an American who's Seeking to Serve Americans....................All Americans Left, Right, and Center! | |
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| History made tonight, Barack Obama wins in Iowa!! Posted: 1/4/2008 12:50:33 PM | Iowa proved that he can get the nomination by maintaining his distance from Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton likes. Jackson Jr recently had to correct his father's bigoted criticism of Obama and attempted meddling.
Obama can seal the nomination by urging Jesse Jackson and the likes to move to Canada where these racist blacks are worshipped regardless of the prejudice of immigrants in that country. As for the general election, he can get elected if he moves towards the middle as Bill Clinton did. But after Clinton was elected, he returned to the left that almost cost him re-election.
Then he moved to the right and that saved him. Obama has to convince everyone that he is no Bill Clinton. He already is half way there since he is not sexually immoral as Bill Clinton. Obama is in his mid 40s and does have a chance regardless of race.
Contrary to what the Clinton people are stating that he is not old enough and experienced enough. Bill Clinton had less experience position in 1992 and the public knew of his adulterous lifestyle.
So, yes, Obama is in a much better position than Bill Clinton and of Hillary Clinton. Also, Obama does not emit bigotry as so many black politicians do, such as Rangal and Conyers and local black politicians from many cities and towns. Obama is liked by both liberals and conservatives alike, Iowa proved it. | |
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| History made tonight, Barack Obama wins in Iowa!! Posted: 1/4/2008 1:05:37 PM |
As far as experience is concerned, I dont think it matters much, JFK had little more than Obama does today and the fact that we are in the information age of cell phones, open societies, satellite tv, and endless means of reseach rite through your computer I dare say that Barack may have more experience or knowledge than JFK did at this same point in his political career.
Contrary to what the Clinton people are stating that he is not old enough and experience enough. Bill Clinton had less experience position in 1992 and the public knew of his adulterous lifestyle.
Experience:
Barack Obama: 3 years US Senate
Hillary Clinton: 7 years US Senate
Bill Clinton: 12 years Governor of Arkansas
John F. Kennedy: 8 years (almost) Senate, 3 years House of Representatives
Being a local politician (3 years for Obama) or First Lady(8 years for Hillary) does not really count as political experience. Both Bill Clinton and JFK had much more experience than either Hillary or Obama.
I prefer seasoned politicians in the office of President. Hillary's a little light in the loafers for my taste, but Obama's experience (more or less non-existent) is totally unacceptable to me.
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| History made tonight, Barack Obama wins in Iowa!! Posted: 1/4/2008 1:17:47 PM |
Its almost reminicent of the feelings I've heard others tell me they got when the watched JFK and RFK speak back in the days.
Hopefully this will not end for him as it did for the Kennedy brothers.
thats the final barrier to break... "God, please watch over all and keep a hand in the new future"
Hillary is a fomidable candidate
All she has (and it is alot of 'all') is 8 yr experience of actually living in that arena..she's had time to run around that White House, 24/7. She knows 'the lay of the land'. That was her house, as a woman.
As President Clintons wife, dont forget the press never refered to her as FIRST LADY...why???? That showed she wasnt respected...then
Powers that be, didnt show proper ediqutte...why..and will they now? | |
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| History made tonight, Barack Obama wins in Iowa!! Posted: 1/4/2008 1:18:44 PM | The experienced politicians are in office rite now, exactly how has that bennefited you or me or the majority of Americans?
Almost like having a new cop on the force that wants to make a difference being told by the other experienced cops that he must take bribes and look the other way on certain crimes in order to get ahead.
Experienced often equals well entrenched corruption in Washington, and that is definitely not what we need for another 4 to 8 years, look at our current Prez.
Need I say more? | |
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| History made tonight, Barack Obama wins in Iowa!! Posted: 1/4/2008 1:26:47 PM | Msg 56; You just don't like him because he's black, admit it. It's laughable to suggest that Hillary Clinton and JFK for that matter had a better track record of political accomplishments than Barack Obama at his present stage. If you don't know about them it's because you've accepted his opponents' sound bite about his supposed lack of experience rather than actually looking at his experience. Here's a summary for you:
Obama's experience has been effective and groundbreaking. In his majority years in the Illinois State Senate, he sponsored 780 bills, with 280 having been signed into law. In his first year as US Senator, Obama held 39 town hall meetings throughout Illinois. He also sponsored 152 bills and resolutions and co-sponsored 427 more. At every step of his career, Senator Obama has shown the experience of a strong leader with high moral standards.
Senator Barack Obama started his career in public service working as a community organizer in Chicago, helping inner-city poor. He earned a mere $13,000 a year in this capacity. During this time, he helped to register 150,000 people to vote. From this experience, the Senator understands very well the struggles and concerns of working Americans.
Senator Obama went on to graduate from Harvard Law School, where he was the first black president of the Harvard Law Review. He then passed over 600 high-paying job offers to work in a civil rights practice at fractional pay. Through this career decision, Senator Obama demonstrated his commitment to equal justice for all.
Senator Obama has been a senior lecturer on Constitutional Law at the University of Chicago Law School. Thus, the Senator has a deep understanding of the Constitution which he has sworn to uphold.
Senator Barack Obama has ten years of senatorial experience -- eight years in the Illinois State Senate and two years as a U.S. Senator. Senator Obama has a 100% approval rating from the League of Conservation Voters and Planned Parenthood. The National Education Association gives him an "A" on their most recent report card.
To understand Senator Obama's strong leadership, we only need to look at his record:
As an Illinois State Senator, Obama added health insurance for 20,000 children, while working on welfare reform and earned-income tax credits. His work resulted in an increased minimum wage (from $5.15 to $6.50). His death penalty reforms mean that interrogations must now be video taped. This bill passed Senate 58-0, and was signed into law by a governor who first opposed Obama's bill. He also sponsored a bill against police profiling.
Obama is known for his unquestionable ethics and integrity. Upon joining the U.S. Senate, House Speaker Harry Reid designated Barack Obama as the Senate point man on ethics for this very reason.
Senator Obama publicly opposed the Iraq war long before the invasion. In 2002, he accurately predicted that the war would be of an undetermined length, fought with an undetermined cost and an undetermined objective. He further realized that the U.S. invasion would result in an Iraqi civil war.
At the same time that Senator Obama has publicly opposed the war, he's worked hard to insure that our nation's veterans receive the care and support they so richly deserve. Senator Obama has worked on veteran's issues since he was first elected to the U.S. Senate.
Many of Senator Obama's accomplishments in the Illinois Senate were the result of building consensus with Republicans. In the U.S. Senate, Senator Obama has continued in this consensus building direction. He worked with Republican Senator Lugar to expand and author a program to locate and dismantle stray Russian WMD's left over from the cold war after the disbanding of the USSR, as but one example.
In January 2007, Senator Obama sponsored a major ethics/lobbying reform bill with Russ Feingold. The law insisted on tougher measures that ban lobbyist gifts and meals as well as the free use of corporate jets. The law requires the disclosure of earmarks and contribution bundling to candidates or committees, and also restricts retiring congresspersons from going into lobbying.
Senator Obama has demonstrated that, not only will he take all positions into consideration, but he'll work hard at pushing through those reforms that achieve the greatest good for the entire nation. This is the type of experience and strong leadership that we very much need in our nation. Romney and McCain have it also. Not Edwards, Richardson and Giuliani.
Also, Hillary did not read the intelligence report on Iraq because she was too lazy and did accomplish the war in Iraq. Which is turning out well but at the time, it could have been avoided if she had taken some leadership against it. She also had this flaw of not compromising with Republicans unlike Obama...that's leadership. | |
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| History made tonight, Barack Obama wins in Iowa!! Posted: 1/4/2008 1:28:45 PM | Ummm...
He shouldnt be viewed from one political ideology or another
Isn't a candidate for the U.S. Presidency in a 'political' position. Why shouldn't his 'ideas' be considered?
(This is the liberal logic that causes me to go further and further to the right). You want to celebrate Obama as a black man...so be it. I view him as 'more' -- regardless of his lack of political strength and policy assertion/direction in his 'campaign' that alleges 'change.' I don't see anything 'new' he brings (politically).
A more positive measure for those of 'any' skin color in the world would be to 'define' yourself as greater than color. One of the greatest black leaders in history did this and held the greatest and most profound impacts on societies for many future generations (King Solomon). I don't see this in Obama in 'him' drawing such attention to his skin color over his goals/aspirations as a leader. Again he presents himself well (pleasant looking; well spoken and professional), but falls short of the leadership I'd like to see as far as 'change' in our country. He presents nothing new. | |
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| History made tonight, Barack Obama wins in Iowa!! Posted: 1/4/2008 1:36:59 PM |
You just don't like him because he's black, admit it.
Me? LOL. Not a chance.
If Colin Powell had run for President, I'd have voted for him.
It's the man (or the woman), not the skin.
I have black relatives, black friends, and at one time was the "token white" in an all black office. I'm pretty color blind when it comes to race. I either like you . . . or I don't.
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| History made tonight, Barack Obama wins in Iowa!! Posted: 1/4/2008 1:47:57 PM |
She also had this flaw of not compromising with Republicans unlike Obama...that's leadership.
Ever hear his speech against the invasion of Iraq ?
While you do, please note some things :
1) The date that it was given 2) His presentation of reasons why he opposed it. 3) The relative rarity of any major public political figure ( who was interested in a long term career in national politics) of giving such a clear cut and overpowering statement at that point in time.
Barack Obama's Iraq Speech
Good afternoon. Let me begin by saying that although this has been billed as an anti-war rally, I stand before you as someone who is not opposed to war in all circumstances.
The Civil War was one of the bloodiest in history, and yet it was only through the crucible of the sword, the sacrifice of multitudes, that we could begin to perfect this union, and drive the scourge of slavery from our soil. I don’t oppose all wars.
My grandfather signed up for a war the day after Pearl Harbor was bombed, fought in Patton’s army. He saw the dead and dying across the fields of Europe; he heard the stories of fellow troops who first entered Auschwitz and Treblinka. He fought in the name of a larger freedom, part of that arsenal of democracy that triumphed over evil, and he did not fight in vain.
I don’t oppose all wars.
After September 11th, after witnessing the carnage and destruction, the dust and the tears, I supported this Administration’s pledge to hunt down and root out those who would slaughter innocents in the name of intolerance, and I would willingly take up arms myself to prevent such a tragedy from happening again.
I don’t oppose all wars. And I know that in this crowd today, there is no shortage of patriots, or of patriotism. What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I am opposed to is a rash war. What I am opposed to is the cynical attempt by Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz and other arm-chair, weekend warriors in this Administration to shove their own ideological agendas down our throats, irrespective of the costs in lives lost and in hardships borne.
What I am opposed to is the attempt by political hacks like Karl Rove to distract us from a rise in the uninsured, a rise in the poverty rate, a drop in the median income – to distract us from corporate scandals and a stock market that has just gone through the worst month since the Great Depression.
That’s what I’m opposed to. A dumb war. A rash war. A war based not on reason but on passion, not on principle but on politics.
Now let me be clear – I suffer no illusions about Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal man. A ruthless man. A man who butchers his own people to secure his own power. He has repeatedly defied UN resolutions, thwarted UN inspection teams, developed chemical and biological weapons, and coveted nuclear capacity.
He’s a bad guy. The world, and the Iraqi people, would be better off without him.
But I also know that Saddam poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States, or to his neighbors, that the Iraqi economy is in shambles, that the Iraqi military a fraction of its former strength, and that in concert with the international community he can be contained until, in the way of all petty dictators, he falls away into the dustbin of history.
I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a US occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences. I know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the Middle East, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of al-Qaeda.
I am not opposed to all wars. I’m opposed to dumb wars.
So for those of us who seek a more just and secure world for our children, let us send a clear message to the president today. You want a fight, President Bush? Let’s finish the fight with Bin Laden and al-Qaeda, through effective, coordinated intelligence, and a shutting down of the financial networks that support terrorism, and a homeland security program that involves more than color-coded warnings.
You want a fight, President Bush? Let’s fight to make sure that the UN inspectors can do their work, and that we vigorously enforce a non-proliferation treaty, and that former enemies and current allies like Russia safeguard and ultimately eliminate their stores of nuclear material, and that nations like Pakistan and India never use the terrible weapons already in their possession, and that the arms merchants in our own country stop feeding the countless wars that rage across the globe.
You want a fight, President Bush? Let’s fight to make sure our so-called allies in the Middle East, the Saudis and the Egyptians, stop oppressing their own people, and suppressing dissent, and tolerating corruption and inequality, and mismanaging their economies so that their youth grow up without education, without prospects, without hope, the ready recruits of terrorist cells.
You want a fight, President Bush? Let’s fight to wean ourselves off Middle East oil, through an energy policy that doesn’t simply serve the interests of Exxon and Mobil.
Those are the battles that we need to fight. Those are the battles that we willingly join. The battles against ignorance and intolerance. Corruption and greed. Poverty and despair.
The consequences of war are dire, the sacrifices immeasurable. We may have occasion in our lifetime to once again rise up in defense of our freedom, and pay the wages of war. But we ought not – we will not – travel down that hellish path blindly. Nor should we allow those who would march off and pay the ultimate sacrifice, who would prove the full measure of devotion with their blood, to make such an awful sacrifice in vain.
Delivered on 26 October 2002 at an anti-war rally in Chicago by Barack Obama, Illinois Senator.
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Barack_Obama's_Iraq_Speech
Over five years ago, when it was totally "unpopular and unpatriotic" to oppose this war so clearly - he took this brave stand.
That took courage, and it meant he took a great risk in losing everything, had he been proven wrong in the end. I think you judge a man's character by his conviction to speak out when it's unpopular. That's actually quite a historical American trait, seen over and over again in your country's best leaders.
I think history has proved that his concerns expressed were quite prophetic.
.....that's leadership.
I am not bound to win, but I am bound to be true. I am not bound to succeed, but I am bound to live by the light that I have. I must stand with anybody that stands right, and stand with him while he is right, and part with him when he goes wrong.
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| History made tonight, Barack Obama wins in Iowa!! Posted: 1/4/2008 2:16:09 PM | ^ adding to post 61.
I'd add that 'race' is a concept and just because a person appears 'white' in color...it doesn't measure one's ethnicity. I have family and friends that are people. I am not color blind, but certainly not to be labeled prejudice either. My grandfather was almost as dark as the OP...so in today's world...we might want to consider asking 'origin/ethnicity' before crying prejudism...
...in addition to considering 'political ideas' over one's skin color. Obama himself is of mixed origin.
Obama offers what to the table as a candidate for Presidency? I see no 'integrity' in those of color 'redefining' a 'subculture' instead of 'defining' a person of color's place in this world being leaders (it already exists). He's weak in representation of a 'race' as well as politically. Historically Black men have always lead would be my message if my color was to be addressed to me by anyone holding prejudism.
MontrealGuy (Canadian)...His 'message' has changed 'today.' You bring out one of the most quintessential hypocricies of 'changing views' in the liberal party today: The Iraq war. Once supported by dem. policians, currently it is a liberal political strategy in which to obtain the votes of those opposed to the war (Obama is talking about getting our troops home the last I heard him speak).
Clinton is not even a good politician for those with scholarly minds and without liberal prejudice, I will say again that Obama 'presents' himself well and avoids making any real policy statements as he did in previous years [at least any that I have noted recently].
Who is being voted in though 'if' it's not his political ideas? (Appearances)? I have to admit -- this is how the world works and the man stands a chance for this reason alone. | |
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| History made tonight, Barack Obama wins in Iowa!! Posted: 1/4/2008 2:22:38 PM | Oddly enough, I find McCain's steadfastness to what is now an unpopular war as courageous as Obama's stance was then. I admire them both for standing up with unpopular positions when they want to win higher office. Obama was gearing up for a Senate run, and McCain is vying for his party's Presidential nomination.
I think a campaign between these two would mean a potentially great President no matter who won, but just as importantly, it would bring a principled, issue fought campaign. After the crap since John Sununu and his heirs this would be the greatest boon to the US that could happen. | |
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| History made tonight, Barack Obama wins in Iowa!! Posted: 1/4/2008 2:25:11 PM | | I say congratulations to Barack Obama! It is about time some people stop looking at color and see only the person! I liked his book...I like the man. I am going to have a hard time come election if it is down to Obama and Thompson... | |
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| History made tonight, Barack Obama wins in Iowa!! Posted: 1/4/2008 2:51:38 PM | Sariangel
Would you like to quote me completely rather than snip out a section to take out of context?
Look above if you want a play by play of Obamas career in Govenment, another poster covered that already. Once again, His skin color is not the issue for the job, it just goes to the historical impliments of his win last night. dats it! Cant explain that any clearer.
Thats what this thread is about; History being made. | |
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| History made tonight, Barack Obama wins in Iowa!! Posted: 1/4/2008 2:55:46 PM | Halftimedad...
If the poll I got from the Republican party is any indication (versus Huck and his guitar winning the Iowa 'Cauc' fight)...You might see the two of them running (McCain and Obama).
The Rep. party 'itself' is more interested in McCain, although you find the conservative general public not as supportive. Both are moderates, which if realistically looking at the general public's split concerns, is needed for a win this time out.
Albeit, neither Obama or McCain flew against majority, but with the majority in the time frames spoken of. I see courage in neither one, but a catering process that takes place in politics to appease the polls. | |
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| History made tonight, Barack Obama wins in Iowa!! Posted: 1/4/2008 2:59:24 PM | Senator Barack Obama: speach after the Iowa caucusses
Thank you, Iowa.
You know, they said this day would never come.
They said our sights were set too high.
They said this country was too divided; too disillusioned to ever come together around a common purpose.
But on this January night – at this defining moment in history – you have done what the cynics said we couldn't do. You have done what the state of New Hampshire can do in five days. You have done what America can do in this New Year, 2008. In lines that stretched around schools and churches; in small towns and big cities; you came together as Democrats, Republicans and Independents to stand up and say that we are one nation; we are one people; and our time for change has come.
You said the time has come to move beyond the bitterness and pettiness and anger that's consumed Washington; to end the political strategy that's been all about division and instead make it about addition – to build a coalition for change that stretches through Red States and Blue States. Because that's how we'll win in November, and that's how we'll finally meet the challenges that we face as a nation.
We are choosing hope over fear. We're choosing unity over division, and sending a powerful message that change is coming to America.
You said the time has come to tell the lobbyists who think their money and their influence speak louder than our voices that they don't own this government, we do; and we are here to take it back.
The time has come for a President who will be honest about the choices and the challenges we face; who will listen to you and learn from you even when we disagree; who won't just tell you what you want to hear, but what you need to know. And in New Hampshire, if you give me the same chance that Iowa did tonight, I will be that president for America.
Thank you.
I'll be a President who finally makes health care affordable and available to every single American the same way I expanded health care in Illinois – by--by bringing Democrats and Republicans together to get the job done.
I'll be a President who ends the tax breaks for companies that ship our jobs overseas and put a middle-class tax cut into the pockets of the working Americans who deserve it.
I'll be a President who harnesses the ingenuity of farmers and scientists and entrepreneurs to free this nation from the tyranny of oil once and for all.
And I'll be a President who ends this war in Iraq and finally brings our troops home; who restores our moral standing; who understands that 9/11 is not a way to scare up votes, but a challenge that should unite America and the world against the common threats of the twenty-first century; common threats of terrorism and nuclear weapons; climate change and poverty; genocide and disease.
Tonight, we are one step closer to that vision of America because of what you did here in Iowa. And so I'd especially like to thank the organizers and the precinct captains; the volunteers and the staff who made this all possible.
And while I'm at it, on "thank yous," I think it makes sense for me to thank the love of my life, the rock of the Obama family, the closer on the campaign trail; give it up for Michelle Obama.
I know you didn't do this for me. You did this—you did this because you believed so deeply in the most American of ideas – that in the face of impossible odds, people who love this country can change it.
I know this—I know this because while I may be standing here tonight, I'll never forget that my journey began on the streets of Chicago doing what so many of you have done for this campaign and all the campaigns here in Iowa – organizing, and working, and fighting to make people's lives just a little bit better.
I know how hard it is. It comes with little sleep, little pay, and a lot of sacrifice. There are days of disappointment, but sometimes, just sometimes, there are nights like this – a night—a night that, years from now, when we've made the changes we believe in; when more families can afford to see a doctor; when our children—when Malia and Sasha and your children—inherit a planet that's a little cleaner and safer; when the world sees America differently, and America sees itself as a nation less divided and more united; you'll be able look back with pride and say that this was the moment when it all began.
This was the moment when the improbable beat what Washington always said was inevitable.
This was the moment when we tore down barriers that have divided us for too long – when we rallied people of all parties and ages to a common cause; when we finally gave Americans who'd never participated in politics a reason to stand up and to do so.
This was the moment when we finally beat back the politics of fear, and doubt, and cynicism; the politics where we tear each other down instead of lifting this country up. This was the moment.
Years from now, you'll look back and you'll say that this was the moment – this was the place – where America remembered what it means to hope.
For many months, we've been teased, even derided for talking about hope.
But we always knew that hope is not blind optimism. It's not ignoring the enormity of the task ahead or the roadblocks that stand in our path. It's not sitting on the sidelines or shirking from a fight. Hope is that thing inside us that insists, despite all evidence to the contrary, that something better awaits us if we have the courage to reach for it, and to work for it, and to fight for it.
Hope is what I saw in the eyes of the young woman in Cedar Rapids who works the night shift after a full day of college and still can't afford health care for a sister who's ill; a young woman who still believes that this country will give her the chance to live out her dreams.
Hope is what I heard in the voice of the New Hampshire woman who told me that she hasn't been able to breathe since her nephew left for Iraq; who still goes to bed each night praying for his safe return.
Hope is what led a band of colonists to rise up against an empire; what led the greatest of generations to free a continent and heal a nation; what led young women and young men to sit at lunch counters and brave fire hoses and march through Selma and Montgomery for freedom's cause.
Hope—hope—is what led me here today – with a father from Kenya; a mother from Kansas; and a story that could only happen in the United States of America. Hope is the bedrock of this nation; the belief that our destiny will not be written for us, but by us; by all those men and women who are not content to settle for the world as it is; who have the courage to remake the world as it should be.
That is what we started here in Iowa, and that is the message we can now carry to New Hampshire and beyond; the same message we had when we were up and when we were down; the one that can change this country brick by brick, block by block, calloused hand by calloused hand – that together, ordinary people can do extraordinary things; because we are not a collection of Red States and Blue States, we are the United States of America; and at this moment, in this election, we are ready to believe again. Thank you, Iowa.
Heres the link to the video: I'f this isnt Presidential material in words and delivery I dont know what is!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqoFwZUp5vc | |
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| History made tonight, Barack Obama wins in Iowa!! Posted: 1/4/2008 3:11:10 PM | might be a new day in this country, an "Audacity of hope" that this final barrier can be broken once and for all in the 242 year history of America!
America is only 231 years old. Birthdate 7-4-1776. 1776 - 2007 = 231 July 2008 it will be 232 years old. | |
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| History made tonight, Barack Obama wins in Iowa!! Posted: 1/4/2008 3:11:40 PM | Blacksheep -- Okay -- I will post your whole OP, but it isn't going to help your case...
I couldn’t wait to put this up here, Its a beautiful day!!
A Black man named Barack wins the Democratic caucuses in Iowa which is a state with less than 5% minorities!! To me besides being thrilled he won this makes a broader statement to all those who wondered if a Black man could be elected to the office of President.
I might be a new day in this country, an "Audacity of hope" that this final barrier can be broken once and for all in the 242 year history of America!
Less than 5% minorities, a black man, history being made...'audacity of hope'...wondering if a black man could ever be elected...
Looks like representing to me. Albeit, in the 'wrong' way. (Sorry...as I stated above, it wouldn't help your case for me to post your entire OP). **sigh
What words exactly did I twist now? 
A beautiful day is when we judge men as men and not by the color of thier skin. This isn't happening in your OP.
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| History made tonight, Barack Obama wins in Iowa!! Posted: 1/4/2008 3:23:34 PM | MontrealGuy...Here you go...compare what Blacksheep just posted with what you posted above:
Hope is what I heard in the voice of the New Hampshire woman who told me that she hasn't been able to breathe since her nephew left for Iraq; who still goes to bed each night praying for his safe return.
A change of heart or political wavering over public polls and desired votes?
Blacksheep...He speaks well...but 'substance' is left out [clear political leadership and direction versus 'guessing' on what he means]. Like I said...this is 'politically' perhaps a good call in which to obtain votes (versus facing clear opposition on the issues).
Javan2 -- Thanks. I'm glad someone other than myself addressed that issue (of 242 years)! I was thinking there was something wrong with my math. :-).  | |
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| History made tonight, Barack Obama wins in Iowa!! Posted: 1/4/2008 3:34:33 PM | moderategoodguy says: " ...I like the man. I am going to have a hard time come election if it is down to Obama and Thompson... "
Obama & Thompson ? This is a joke, right ? Thompson was out 4 months ago !!!! | |
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| History made tonight, Barack Obama wins in Iowa!! Posted: 1/4/2008 3:35:25 PM | I think anyone that votes for Obama BECAUSE he's black is just as silly as anyone who won't vote for him because he's black.
( or smokes, or has a "bad name", etc)
Judge him on his words, and on his actions. You don't have to support him for any other reason other than that.
America needs a leader right now, one who can bring about unity across party lines, and across racial lines. Your house has been divided for far too long, and America has to concentrate on building bridges, and no more walls.
It has to concentrate on priorities, and on the critical need for change.
Is Obama that leader ?
The jury is still out on that one, and no one can predict the future.
If he can start to make more people feel like they have a voice (white or black, young or old) then he has a chance. Instead of people feeling powerless, which is the antithesis of democracy, people have got to start believing that every single voice counts.
That applies for the left and the right, btw.
In the end, it's not about party politics - it's about the future of America.  | |
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| History made tonight, Barack Obama wins in Iowa!! Posted: 1/4/2008 3:37:29 PM | I woke up in a different country this morning, it was indeed an event of colossaly historic magnitude. When we volunteer in our communities three Mondays from now it will indeed be a different America than Dr. King ever knew.
This however does not change the fact that Mr. Obama or Mrs. Clinton would likely loose in a general election. Please people, look at virtually every poll of merit of either of them up against any Reublican. Why do you REALLY think Rupert Murdoch had an alacrity to raise money for Mrs. Clinton? Why did some of Mr. Bush's Texas friends throw money at Ralph Nader? Please, be honest with yourselves unless you really want the Republican nominee to win.
As many problems as I have with Mr. Edwards I want to win come November. Do you?
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| History made tonight, Barack Obama wins in Iowa!! Posted: 1/4/2008 3:54:03 PM | feeltobefree, i would like you to give equal time to the other candidates' "advisors" (please) and for the record, please cite all their top advisors. also why do you think obama hired these people? my guess is that the list for all participants will be as "chilling".
having been a health policy advsisor at a state level and also noting that often two different parties will rely upon the same advisors, given their known expertise for different topics, i would like to know more about the examples you have cited. so, i've copied the info from your post, without your name, and i plan to put it forth to involved parties and see if they will respond to your remarks and what they will say.
i have found that often extremist political views on the left and on the right (you did say you were far left in your profile) are needed in the continuum of things to keep the middle, a "true" middle. but then there is the larger question, WHO do you suggest given the reality of the world, it' s full spectrum of people and views, and the complex international politics?
regarding hilary and her sticking by clinton as a reason for thinking she is weak, i respected her for that and having skimmed both their books, it seems their concerns for their daughter weighed in moreso than their sexual problems. and their political /economic partnering weighed in moreso than that! again, they are a lot older and from what i see, he just got caught in his miflife crisis/ED stage. people all handle this stage very differently you young'uns (!) will one day find out. many other men and women in our society just lead lives like this "in denial", while others go fishing endlessly for fictitious heros to be happy ever after. hey if you can find this in reality, by all means go for it, but don't be snide until you are ready for your soul to depart and you know you've pulled it off!!!
so , they dealt with it and that makes them a stronger couple. i see hilary as a brilliant woman, but she's too wishy woshy for me in her debating remarks. being considered a strong woman myself, i find it strange that many men i know say she is "threatening" as a strong woman--to both men and women. to me, she is a driven woman. i don't see her as a strong candidate, and i see her political concerns outweighing her policy concerns. i do think she would make one hell of a top notch politcal advisor (hired by some international think tank as part of a "team") and so i see her place, better elsewhere.
as to a woman or african american president? hey, the usa is going to be brown very quickly. those who don't like it, will have to get over it. i think color lines will fade and income lines will shine brightly. the usa middle class is shrinking and industry is slowly moving to asia in the next 20 years, after which it may be a whole lot quicker. it's all good. evolution needs to take place in stagnant societies or else they will disintregrate. this whole process is a learning experience for all of us.
as to lack of on the job experience for obama, sometimes in the midst of people caught in the box, someone has to get out and look in from other perspectives...meaning get out of the box. you can hire advisors in the box to share their perspectives/knowledge and also those with a fresher view or paradigm. but a true strategy is winning the war and not just one battle. this war goes way beyond the election and way beyond race or male/female issues. this is a war of good versus evil. and the evil is dispersed everywhere--it's time the usa started ferreting it all out to get back to the balance. there are way too many mouths to feed. get rid of drugs in this country and many third world countries starve to death. yin/yan is out of wack. and then when we get it together and everyone holds hands, we will have to deal with voluntary population control or next instead of war, people will be eating each other for dinner. | |
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