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 AlienSecrets

Joined: 5/9/2007
Msg: 76
History made tonight, Barack Obama wins in Iowa!!
Posted: 1/4/2008 4:24:41 PM
Not joining any of the rhetoric on this - blahblahblah

I will say I am VERY IMPRESSED with Obama winning and believe it is a statement that the Majority of Americans have indeed come out of the dark ages. While I am Canadian and have no voice in 'your' country - if I did I would absolutely cast my vote in favour of Obama because I Believe he is a Wonderful Candidate for President. He is Real, he is Educated, he is Articulate and he does Represent a large percentage of the American people.

Congratulations!!! This is Already a victory in many ways!!



A.S.is


 Blacksheep

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History made tonight, Barack Obama wins in Iowa!!
Posted: 1/4/2008 4:31:43 PM
Ok Sariangel



What is wrong with this statement:



Quoting Blacksheep: A Black man named Barack wins the Democratic caucuses


is that it embraces 'division' between people -- more than helping to define a black man's 'place' in this world. An historical event? I don't think so. Black men have been leaders in our country for years -- unless we underrate and fail to give credit where due. It was the black man's (as well as American Indian's) sweat and labor that built this country. People aren't defined or owned by another's color...(unless they adopt that view); they are defined by their own prejudisms. The U.S. flag is red, white and blue -- the last time I looked.

What about Barack's political strengths and politcal campaign being stated in the OP by a black man?

That said -- this man will not be getting my vote because he is weak on the issues and his campaign for 'change' isn't built upon political strengths (his skin color has nothing to do with my vote). I do note that he carries himself well though, despite my personal conservative political leanings.


I repost my answer to you again:
There’s nothing wrong with that statement at all. Has any black man, or woman of any race ever won a primary for either party in the history of this country??
The Answer is NO, so therefore the statement that titles the op of this thread, and the quote you single out from the OP still holds true...... It was/is History in the making since it was never done in the history of this country

Is that the reason he won? Of course not, he won over two white candidates (both of whom I also like) in a State 95% white. I don’t think Iowan's voted for him because he was black either, but rather because they like his message and identify with his character.
He represents a new hope for an American public which was so blatantly abused by the current group in Washington.





Ummm...


Your partial quote of blacksheep's statement: He shouldn’t be viewed from one political ideology or another


Isn't a candidate for the U.S. Presidency in a 'political' position? Why shouldn't his 'ideas' be considered?



My full quote: He (Barack Obama) shouldn’t be viewed from ONE political ideology or another, but as an AMERICAN who's SEEKING to SERVE AMERICANS....................ALL AMERICANS Left, Right, and Center!

I'm really not trying to get into a pissing match here, I was speaking of one place you partially quoted me, and you went back to the original post, in which that challenge was already asked and answered.

Celebrating the moment, is the point of this thread originally.

Now as for
A beautiful day is when we judge men as men and not by the color of thier skin. This isn't happening in your OP.


Of course it is, He didn’t win because he was black, I stressed the fact that those who stood behind him were in a state 95% white to prove that point He won on Character, Message, and the hope for a change

I.E. They voted for a good man, who just happens to be black, and he made history winning the caucus because he just happened to be black.

If Hillary had won, she would have made history for simply being a woman.

Separate the: "Making History" theme of this thread from the reason to vote for a candidate.

I never claimed he won because of being black, or should be president because of being black.
If you really understand my posts I actually say he was voted for, and won in spite of being black.

Hopefully we could get past the semantics finally.
 Blacksheep

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History made tonight, Barack Obama wins in Iowa!!
Posted: 1/4/2008 7:05:38 PM
My question when I read post like the one above ^^^ is:

Whats wrong with a president or politician who looks into issues inside his own race as well as outside of it?

No One would question a Hebrew politician for doing things for the Jews because of the Holocaust.

Why should a President of African decent turn a blind eye to the plight of his/her people simply to look like he’s not pandering to his/her race?
If we Americans as you said want to elect a president who will be concerned with the issues of all citizens at heart then African American issues should be held up to the same level as any other race including whites.

We are ALL Americans and therefore the President should have the best interests of all the citizens of this country.

The good news is this time around this may actually happen
 Montreal_Guy

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Posted: 1/4/2008 7:12:34 PM
Why isn't the same thing said about incredibly wealthy white politicians serving the interests of incredibly wealthy whites ?

Isn't that exactly the same thing ?

How come it never comes up ?
 Montreal_Guy

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Posted: 1/4/2008 8:11:33 PM

Ok then could you give me an example of an "African -American" specific issue ?


1) Racial discrimination against blacks.
2) Differing criminal penalties for blacks and whites for the same crime
3) Black wage inequality
3) Black health care inequality.

Etc, etc, etc.

Now, any and all of these are not "black" issues. They are American issues, that specifically are applicable to certain numbers of the black community, sometimes in large numbers.

Real issues concern every real American, wherever injustice occurs.
 Topgear1

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Posted: 1/4/2008 9:14:03 PM

all those who wondered if a Black man could be elected to the office of President.


I disagree with that statement... The reason being is because it was and has not been a racial issue in the last 20 years (Only the status quo has tried to make people believe this over the years but now their ruse has busted) . The problem wasn't ever enthnicity but instead finding the right person to surface to the challenge. I believe with Obama the right person has risen to the the forefront. We should not be shocked that a candidate that knows how the American public at large feels about their government who happens to be black would win the first victory in the race for the White House but instead be thankful that a candidate who shares the same values and concerns as the American public at large just so happens to be a man of color. His being a black man has really nothing to do with it and we should all be thankful we have a person that is standing up for all Americans be they Black, White, Red, or Yellow...

I could careless that Obama is a man of color. His appeal has nothing to do with his enthinicity but what he stands for and this is what I believe most Americans share in their support for him. This is what is good about Obama and a great day for America.

The Republicians also had a major shake up too. Huckabee won his race and while the media likes to report that the religious factor played a major role in his victory., I however disagree that was the underlying cause for his victory. I'm sure that most of the people who voted for Obama also share deep religious convictions but that isn't being brought up for his win. The reason Huckabee won wasn't because of religion but because he stands as much on the forefront on the issue of change as Obama does. While the two vary greatly on how that change is to be conducted the Overwheliming theme shared by both is that they both speak of change and mean what they say...

Now each has things I'm for and against but I'm not looking for someone to be perfect. Politics is about compromise and I don't believe in picking the lesser of two evils. I cast my vote on who I believe is going to do the best job for me, my family and my neighbors.

I know for the first time in my voting history if both Huckabee and Obama are on the ticket come this November it will be the hardest vote I've ever had to cast. I believe both would bring about good change for America each in their own way. Politics as we once knew it for decade upon decade is about to end, the old school is out and the new class is in!

I've waited for a long time to see this change come and I'm happy to see at last, the post baby boom generation are out in force and taking up the sword of democracy. It's time to correct all the wrongs that are parents and their parents failed to defend. American is coming back, the America we once only read about in history books.
 Sariangel

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Posted: 1/4/2008 10:15:46 PM
Okay 'black' sheep...

You could have stated what you meant in the first post to me versus getting into 'your' choice of words [p. contest].


He (Barack Obama) shouldn’t be viewed from ONE political ideology or another, but as an AMERICAN who's SEEKING to SERVE AMERICANS....................ALL AMERICANS Left, Right, and Center!


Again, you are not helping yourself. He clearly is representing 'one' party and NOT representing ALL Americans. Back what you claim...show me 'anything' he stands for and don't show me his 2002 Senate speeches or anything less recent than his efforts in the primaries. Show me how he is representing conservatives and moderates?

I can promise you 'anything' and make it sound good -- but without a 'way' of achieving this...what does my promise mean? Political strategy requires a 'plan' that will work.

It also requires more than 'I'm wonderful and I'm about change and I'm black.' There is no 'change' in 'America' because a President is Black...he is a man who will have a job to do like those before him. You think it's something great...I say you are placing Blacks in a subculture [not intentionally] with this ideology and you even discredit 'his political views' by their absence in your OP.

You, yourself are only representing one thing as well...but it's not the democratic party -- but a skin color in your OP (I see little more mentioned).

Obama doesn't even give out his politcal views...when talking about change. I keep watching and hoping he does...but nothing. Sheer disappointment. Yet again...he is well spoken and presents himself well. Attractive and energetic.

I sat through the New Hampshire campaign hoping for 'any' concrete solutions to Obama's rhetoric about change...but nothing was delivered. I would have thought Obama was a former Baptist preacher versus Huckabee.

Obama stated in four days voting for him will 'heal' America and 'cure' the world?

That's one tall order for those with education in goverance and who would like to see 'some kind' of strategy mentioned in all the promises made. Sorry. I don't see anything new in Obama -- other than the fact that he is black. Black people are better than empty campaign rhetoric to me and my family [which if you haven't guessed by now is interracial like Obama is]. He will not be receiving our votes unless he really starts stating what he is about other than his rhetoric about change and his skin color.

Back in the day, my family were share croppers...but they 'never' gave into being 'less' than anyone else. The men in my family coal mined theirselves out of debt and busted butt so they would be viewed for more than their skin color. So didn't M.L. King. His death was not so 'a black man could be acknowledged for being 'black.' Was it?

After a person plays the race card -- then what? He better have 'more' to his talk...because a nation would be depending upon a lot more than a person's appearance, black sheep. If you don't get what I'm saying -- then I feel for you, because you are living back in the day -- and worse...still counting yourself less than you are. **sigh

Javan...thanks for showing your knowledge of the elections in this thread. Thomspon is still trying, but you are correct...he was gone 4 months ago.
 Chevelle67

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Posted: 1/5/2008 4:37:26 AM
Blacksheep you have to understand that the Iowa caucus was not a primary vote it was just a caucus. Although i don't see why obama woukdn't win the primary in that state. He(obama) is definately a step above the rest on the dem side. Hillary cant give straight answers to the questions asked to her and Edwards is to involved in getting his $400.00 hair cuts and telling America that all african americans are criminals. He is a racist bigot and don't like him at all. Now that the Idiot Biden has dropped out, maybe this will propel Obama
 Blacksheep

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Posted: 1/5/2008 9:25:32 AM
Ok Sariangel, cutting my screen name apart wont help to make your argument since you ASSUME the reason for it is because I'm black ........


'black' sheep...


My choice of screen name is based on me being a pilot, and plane enthusiast. My favorite WWII Navy fighter (F4U Corsair) was flown by US Marine squadron VMF 214 A.K.A the "Black Sheep Squadron" (none of the pilots in that squadron were black either, go-figure)


Again, you are not helping yourself. He clearly is representing 'one' party and NOT representing ALL Americans. Back what you claim...show me 'anything' he stands for and don't show me his 2002 Senate speeches or anything less recent than his efforts in the primaries. Show me how he is representing conservatives and moderates?


Ok this is silly, Of course he's representing "one" party in the caucuses, since its a "Democratic caucus".
However I did say He (Obama) is SEEKING to SERVE ALL AMERICANS. Key word here is "Seeking", so being that he has not won the office of President YET...... he cant currently represent conservatives at this time since he doesn’t have the authority.......Yet.



Obama doesn't even give out his politcal views...when talking about change. I keep watching and hoping he does...but nothing. Sheer disappointment. Yet again...he is well spoken and presents himself well. Attractive and energetic.


Barack say's over and over again to log on to his website for details of his plans and I have visited and seen why. They are altogether long and detailed (you need Adobe PDF to view the details) and i will post them below to satisfy your questions about them.



It also requires more than 'I'm wonderful and I'm about change and I'm black.' There is no 'change' in 'America' because a President is Black...he is a man who will have a job to do like those before him. You think it's something great...I say you are placing Blacks in a subculture [not intentionally] with this ideology and you even discredit 'his political views' by their absence in your OP.

You, yourself are only representing one thing as well...but it's not the democratic party -- but a skin color in your OP (I see little more mentioned).

Obama doesn't even give out his politcal views...when talking about change. I keep watching and hoping he does...but nothing. Sheer disappointment. Yet again...he is well spoken and presents himself well. Attractive and energetic.



I reiterate: This thread was in celebration of his accomplishment in History being the first Black man to win a caucus. Not about voting for him simply because he's black. I don’t know how many more ways I can say this.
I also don’t see how I'm placing black people in a "sub-culture"??? Nor do I see how I am discrediting his political views by making a thread that simply celebrated his history making win.



That's one tall order for those with education in goverance and who would like to see 'some kind' of strategy mentioned in all the promises made. Sorry. I don't see anything new in Obama -- other than the fact that he is black. Black people are better than empty campaign rhetoric to me and my family [which if you haven't guessed by now is interracial like Obama is]. He will not be receiving our votes unless he really starts stating what he is about other than his rhetoric about change and his skin color.


Have you visited his website?? He tells you what he's all about. There’s not enough time nor money to tell it all on television. No candidate in either party can tell it ALL on TV so just like a news paper; they give you the headlines, and then invite you to read the story on their website. If you truly want him to state what he's about it has been done already there.

http://www.barackobama.com




After a person plays the race card -- then what? He better have 'more' to his talk...because a nation would be depending upon a lot more than a person's appearance, black sheep. If you don't get what I'm saying -- then I feel for you, because you are living back in the day -- and worse...still counting yourself less than you are. **sigh



Apparently you’re not "getting" what I'm saying. I'm not promoting his blackness as the reason for his win in Iowa, nor any future gains he may make.
In fact I'm marking the history of the moment, and also noting that because of his character, and message he won the hearts of people who certainly didn’t stand behind him cause of his race!



So didn't M.L. King. His death was not so 'a black man could be acknowledged for being 'black.' Was it?


MLK died for the cause of equality, and Barack has an EQUAL chance of being the next President just like any of the other candidates running.


There is no "race card" being played here as a reason to support him.
Further more I don’t need your pity, nor am I living "back in the day". I'm living in the present, and in this present day history was made :yay: (which was the point of this whole thread in the first place).



If you need to know the ins and outs of his plans, I suggest looking at his website.
http://www.barackobama.com

I'll even go one better and put a couple links on here from his website for you.

BARACK OBAMA’S PLAN FOR A HEALTHY AMERICA:
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/pdf/HealthCareFullPlan.pdf


BACKGROUND QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS ON HEALTH CARE PLAN
http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/Obama08_HealthcareFAQ.pdf


FULFILLING A SACRED TRUST WITH OUR VETERANS
http://my.barackobama.com/page/-/Press/Fact%20Sheet%20VFW%20Speech%20Final.pdf.pdf


HELPING ALL AMERICANS SERVE THEIR COUNTRY
http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/NationalServicePlanFactSheet.pdf


FIGHTING POVERTY AND CREATING A BRIDGE TO THE MIDDLE CLASS
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/pdf/PovertyFactSheet.pdf


REAL LEADERSHIP FOR RURAL AMERICA
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/pdf/RuralPlanFactSheet.pdf


RESTORING TRUST IN GOVERNMENT AND IMPROVING TRANSPARENCY
http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/TakingBackOurGovernmentBackFinalFactSheet.pdf


BARACK OBAMA: TURNING THE PAGE IN IRAQ
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/pdf/IraqFactSheet.pdf


BARACK OBAMA’S PLAN TO MAKE AMERICA A GLOBAL ENERGY LEADER
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/pdf/EnergyFactSheet.pdf


BARACK OBAMA: CREATING EQUAL OPPORTUNITY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/pdf/HowardConvocationFactSheet.pdf


BARACK OBAMA’S PLAN FOR LIFETIME SUCCESS THROUGH EDUCATION
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/pdf/PreK-12EducationFactSheet.pdf


BARACK OBAMA: MAKING COLLEGE AFFORDABLE FOR EVERYONE
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/pdf/CollegeAffordabilityFactSheet.pdf


BARACK OBAMA: STRENGTHENING HOMELAND SECURITY
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/pdf/HomelandSecurityFactSheet.pdf


TECHNOLOGY
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/technology/



Finally lets listen to the man

This video of his pre Iowa caucus speech:
http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/bcpid900881681/bclid900480414/bctid1364230909


And finally his post Iowa caucus victory speech:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XB-sNaaaJRU




This man Is Presidential Material!!! And Has my vote come November!

 Faux Pa

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Posted: 1/5/2008 9:29:26 AM
He clearly is representing 'one' party and NOT representing ALL Americans.


Nah this is semantics . . . certainly he can only represent one party in order to allow the people to make a choice.
If/when he's elected President, he'll represent ALL Americans . . and implement the policies of HIS party.
It's fairly simple isn't it.

But wow . . given what appears to be a resounding victory here, and I know there's a long way to go, but I wonder if you guys are going to see a landslide election similar to our own just recently.

Disclaimer:
Being from Oz, I know little about US politics. I'm just a spectator . . but, as we say down here . . Good onya Obama.

EDIT: Blacksheep, life would be so much simpler if you were a Red Arrows fan, wouldn't it.
 prescient

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Msg: 86
History made tonight, Barack Obama wins in Iowa!!
Posted: 1/5/2008 10:27:14 AM
It's pretty typical these days that Americans have lost sight of the larger picture. Can't see the forest because of the trees.
This is such an huge, groundbreaking event, the significance of which transcends the political divide, yet here we are arguing about the semantics of it.
I think Americans derive more pleasure from tearing each other down and arguing the picayune than from actually letting go and aknowledging that people with other political bents may have something worthy to contribute. Crabs in a bucket.
 Blacksheep

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Posted: 1/5/2008 12:45:58 PM
Prescient ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

My sentiments exactly!
:up:

Faux Pa
Co-sign! (except the Red Arrows, LOL)
 nipoleon

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Posted: 1/5/2008 1:46:57 PM
A word of warning !
The Republicans are absolutely thrilled at the idea of a black guy getting nominated for Democratic candidate.
The whole idea of a black man as president is an other dimension of quantum reality the Republicans cannot fathom.
The rich and powerful in this country are convinced that their brainwashing will carry them through and Americans will never vote a black guy for President.
The rich and powerful have been screwing the American people around for 30 years and they want the gravy train to keep rolling along.
Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Micheal Savage, Fox News, and the whole lying propaganda machine have been propped up and working just for this possibility.
They are convinced the American people will vote for a 3 legged billy goat before they will ever pull the lever for a black guy. And, they've got their 3 legged billy goat all lined up !
Forget about Hillary. The Clinton's were just political mercenaries all along. They are the best Republicans the Democrats ever produced.
Are the American people tired of being ripped off ? Are we tired of being played for fools and getting our asses kicked every day ?
We shall see.
 Blacksheep

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Posted: 1/5/2008 1:57:09 PM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Well the will get their wish cause theres a good chance Obama will go the distance, However it wont work out for them the way the planned (If that is their plan)

If Obama wins nomination in the party, He will win the Presidency, I'm so confident of this.
 Montreal_Guy

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History made tonight, Barack Obama wins in Iowa!!
Posted: 1/5/2008 4:58:38 PM
I'd love to see him in a presidential debate against any current Republican candidate. Given his oration skills, intelligence, and passion - I think he'd destroy them quite easily. I've never seen or read him give a bad speech.

One of the great horrors of recent presidential debates was listening to the last two sets of them. I've seen some great ones, and those two certainly weren't on the list.

Watching Kerry or Gore debate Bush was like watching a target shooting contest between Helen Keller and Stevie Wonder. A lot of ammo fired on both sides, without any hits.
 Montreal_Guy

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Posted: 1/5/2008 7:03:06 PM

It takes more than great speeches to be a great President. It seems the focus should be on his stance on relevant issues,his experience and his voting record.


I agree 100 percent.

His eloquence just makes the transmission of his message more interesting and inspiring. That's a critical, and sorely missed, element of politics.

That isn't to say it's more important than his policies and political record, and I didn't mean to imply that in any way.
 Javan2

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Posted: 1/5/2008 7:19:49 PM
Blacksheep says: " If Obama wins nomination in the party, He will win the Presidency, I'm so confident of this. "


You must know something that I don't. Obama has some huge issues to overcome. I've read his book, " The Audacity of Hope " . One major issue is he wants to pay teachers $100,000.00 dollars per year but doesn't say word one about how he intends to pay for it. Also, he was quoted as saying that, " He would never use Nuclear Weapons under any circumstances". Under serious vetting and questioning I'm not sure he could over come these issues alone too easily. Wasn't it Ross Perot who (when the issue came up about Collin Powell running for President) said, " When the dirty trick boys get finished with Collin Powell, the American People will hate him." Understanding America as I do, Barack Obama will never be president of this country. If he was the best man in the world to be president of this country, he's going to catch hell every moment that he's in office; if he does win (which I very seriously doubt). All of this feels like a pick for a G.O.P. guaranteed win.
 SouthernGuy1960

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Posted: 1/5/2008 7:43:02 PM
It is definately time for change and Obama has people excited.I tend to agree with blacksheep that if he gets the nomination he will be our next president. One thing we do not want to do is turn this into a racial battle because that will surely hurt his run to the white house. We need a real change and hopefully he can be for the people and not the corporations that most politicians cater to.
 serendipiteee

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Posted: 1/5/2008 9:10:09 PM
Just wait till November, can you say "President Obama"!?!?!



Obama '08 > > > the Obama years... Morning in America

2000-2008 > > > the Bush years... Mourning in America
 OLT4U

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Posted: 1/5/2008 9:23:11 PM
Well, good point. It might be time for the "race pimps" Jesse Jackson and the Rev. Al Sharpton to find useful employment at Starbucks.
 designingwoman

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Posted: 1/5/2008 10:29:54 PM
Obama and Edwards would make a great team! Both men were impressive in tonights debate, and they sounded much more presidential than Hillary.
 amynewyork4248

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Posted: 1/6/2008 6:29:18 AM

Good for him and america! Anybody but hillary.. she is republican lite.


Yeah, attempting to get a universal health care plan before anyone else thought of it is uber-Republican.

Get your facts straight, please.
 dmotz

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Posted: 1/6/2008 7:34:54 AM
Javan...
Your wrong my friend...Thompson is not out yet...He may be after Tuesday in .N.H but for now he is still in. If it comes to it...McCain will do just fine thanks.
 mizbex

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Posted: 1/6/2008 8:33:10 AM

Obama & Thompson ? This is a joke, right ? Thompson was out 4 months ago !!!!


Javan, considering Fred Thompson threw his hat into the ring much later than the other candidates and his promising show in Iowa, I wouldn't be laughing if I were you.
 Always Smiling36

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Posted: 1/6/2008 8:34:31 AM

I didn't read this thread but there is not a chance in hell for him to win.


He seems to have momentum;

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23014210-663,00.html


SENATOR Barack Obama has surged ahead in the opinion polls for Wednesday's crucial New Hampshire primary as rival Senator Hillary Clinton attacked his record during a debate yesterday.

Senator Obama's lead in the polls after his historic victory in the Iowa caucus, the first nominating contest of the White House race, set the stage for the bitter televised face-off.

Senator Clinton unleashed a stinging attack on Senator Obama's record and experience, accusing him of being inconsistent and reversing his position on policies.

She said Senator Obama could "have a pretty good debate with himself" and had "changed positions within three years on a range of issues".

But Senator Obama said the former first lady was misrepresenting his policies, and it was important not to "try to distort each other's record as election day approaches here in New Hampshire".

"What I think the people of America are looking for are people who are going to be straight about the issues," he said.

John Edwards, who came second in the Iowa caucus last Friday, chimed in to support Senator Obama, saying "any time you speak out powerfully for change, the forces of status quo attack".

"I didn't hear these kinds of attacks from Senator Clinton when she was ahead. Now that she's not, we hear it," Mr Edwards said.

A fuming Senator Clinton, who appeared to lose her temper, said: "I'm not just running on a promise of change, I'm running on 35 years of change.

"I think it is clear that what we need is somebody who can deliver, and we don't need to be raising the false hopes of our country about what can be delivered," she said, arguing she had a history of delivering change and not just talking about it.

The bickering between the three candidates was so heated that second-tier Democratic candidate Bill Richardson said: "Well, I've been in hostage negotiations that are a lot more civil than this."

Senator Clinton is fighting to win New Hampshire and keep her White House hopes afloat, but opinion polls show she has her work cut out.

A McClatchy-MSNBC poll put Senator Obama, who would be the first black president if he won the general election, in the lead on 33 per cent support, two percentage points clear of Senator Clinton, who would be the first female president.

He has trailed in the eastern state for months.

A CNN/WMUR poll ties Senators Obama and Clinton on 33 per cent support each in New Hampshire.

A poll by the Concord Monitor newspaper put Senator Obama ahead by one point.

Unlike Iowa, where only a small percentage of voters took part in the caucuses, all registered voters in New Hampshire directly vote for their preferred candidate in the primaries.

Earlier, in the Republican debate, candidates ganged up on former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney after he took an aggressive turn to attack his rivals over national security and illegal immigration.

Senator John McCain is six percentage points clear of Mr Romney in the CNN/WMUR poll for New Hampshire and eight points clear in the McClatchy-MSNBC poll.

Senator McCain, a Vietnam War hero, took issue with Mr Romney's negative television commercials that have attacked his position on illegal immigration.

Senator McCain said despite the commercials, he did not support amnesty for illegal immigrants.

"You can spend your whole fortune on these attack ads, but (it) still won't be true," he told Mr Romney.
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