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 hardclimber

Joined: 12/24/2007
Msg: 101
History made tonight, Barack Obama wins in Iowa!!
Posted: 1/6/2008 8:39:57 AM
This was a special day. Keep in mind that in politics the best and most qualified does not always win, in some cases the best politican wins. Being the front runner Obama will now become the focus of attacks by both Edwards and Clinton. Keep in mind that focus had ben on Clinton prior Iowa.
 Brandie46

Joined: 5/16/2007
Msg: 102
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History made tonight, Barack Obama wins in Iowa!!
Posted: 1/6/2008 1:10:35 PM

Indeed.....The Audacity of Hope!
 Sariangel

Joined: 2/4/2007
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History made tonight, Barack Obama wins in Iowa!!
Posted: 1/7/2008 8:57:34 AM
From post 95


You must know something that I don't. Obama has some huge issues to overcome. I've read his book, " The Audacity of Hope " . One major issue is he wants to pay teachers $100,000.00 dollars per year but doesn't say word one about how he intends to pay for it. Also, he was quoted as saying that, " He would never use Nuclear Weapons under any circumstances". Under serious vetting and questioning I'm not sure he could over come these issues alone too easily. Wasn't it Ross Perot who (when the issue came up about Collin Powell running for President) said, " When the dirty trick boys get finished with Collin Powell, the American People will hate him." Understanding America as I do, Barack Obama will never be president of this country. If he was the best man in the world to be president of this country, he's going to catch hell every moment that he's in office; if he does win (which I very seriously doubt). All of this feels like a pick for a G.O.P. guaranteed win.


He's right. A 'promise' or 'plan' is nothing without 'backing.' Hope is 'great' and I wouldn't suggest not having it...but it needs to be put in 'realistic' terms.

In the example Javan gives...teachers are paid by the 'state' in most cases...not by the feds. It's a promise more suited to a governor rather than a President of a 'democratic' republic with separation of powers between the states and federal government.

(Don't get me wrong I'd like to see teacher's paid more...but the 'idea' must be 'backed' with a strategy that would work to make it happen...otherwise it's just 'talk').

Blacksheep...going back to your post. M.L.King wanted 'desegregation' and a world where skin colors [plural as God made them] were not a cause or reason for anything. X came out later after King's murder with 'self-imposed' segregation.

There is a great deal of 'white' voters 'hoping' that 'racism' will 'change' with Obama being elected...a great appeal in his speeches [and his wife is outstanding] that resemble M.L.King, but the X factor is still applied today...

And anyone who is black or interracial knows -- racism is alive and kicking. It will not end if Obama got elected...in fact it might even increase 'if' Obama fails at the promises that he is making. I'd hate to see that happen personally.

I can see the same problems as Javan. Obama has some really large issues to work out to be successful as a President...not just a candidate or speaker (he has proved to be very good in speech an presentation...but in debate he fails miserably against those with 'hope' and a 'strategy' to back up that hope). He will not represent well if failing the American public. So do you want a black man in the white house...or a 'capable' black man as President?

The GOP wants to run McCain in my opinion (a more liberal conservative to meet the public concerns)...we'll see what occurs if this is done. Currently...the 'people' have a lot to say as far as the primaries...it doesn't end with Tues. voting though.
 Blacksheep

Joined: 6/28/2004
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History made tonight, Barack Obama wins in Iowa!!
Posted: 1/7/2008 11:04:20 AM
Sari,

Blacksheep...going back to your post. M.L.King wanted 'desegregation' and a world where skin colors [plural as God made them] were not a cause or reason for anything. X came out later after King's murder with 'self-imposed' segregation.

There is a great deal of 'white' voters 'hoping' that 'racism' will 'change' with Obama being elected...a great appeal in his speeches [and his wife is outstanding] that resemble M.L.King, but the X factor is still applied today...

And anyone who is black or interracial knows -- racism is alive and kicking. It will not end if Obama got elected...in fact it might even increase 'if' Obama fails at the promises that he is making. I'd hate to see that happen personally.

I can see the same problems as Javan. Obama has some really large issues to work out to be successful as a President...not just a candidate or speaker (he has proved to be very good in speech an presentation...but in debate he fails miserably against those with 'hope' and a 'strategy' to back up that hope). He will not represent well if failing the American public. So do you want a black man in the white house...or a 'capable' black man as President?

The GOP wants to run McCain in my opinion (a more liberal conservative to meet the public concerns)...we'll see what occurs if this is done. Currently...the 'people' have a lot to say as far as the primaries...it doesn't end with Tues. voting though.


Not sure where I envoked Malcolm X or "self segregation", However I have given what you said above much thought prior to you saying it here.
The question will be if he can either navigate the tried and well troden paths washington insiders used for years, or will he be a pathfinder to find new, unique, or previously untried methods to fix existing problems.

His success or failure will do little to stem racism since racism is irrational to begin with.
A President has a team of advisors, and Obama will be no different in that respect. The difference will be to know which advice to listen to, and which needs to be sent back to the drawing board for furthur review.

If he gets the Democratic nod we'll get to see who he picks for VP, and who he will consider for his Administration. A good leader will surround himself with a good team, and Listen to their advice concerning his plans.

I want a good man in the white house, If he happens to be black so be it.
You have to have drive and optimism to survive the load of problems that will be left behind from the Bush years, and good people to put legs on your plans.

So far Barack is the only one on the Democratic side who looks like he can motivate his Admin, and the majority of American people.
 serenityCW

Joined: 1/21/2006
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History made tonight, Barack Obama wins in Iowa!!
Posted: 1/7/2008 2:15:09 PM
when kennedy was the first irish catholic to be president (and since then no other "minority" and still all men), it made headlines big time and was a plus for his candidacy and for his victory. i am SO OLD, that i was there and i remember it all. i also remember the three assassinations, and being in high school with tears streaming down my face. JFK, Bobby and Martin Luther King.

so. ..... years later.....now that a viable candidate is partly of african descent, no one wants him to own his ethnicity/race and now some are worried that he may not speak for "all americans"?!* or reacting to a black male who is ecstatic that now all men and women have opportunity in this country--win or lose? maybe that not all african american males are ONLY destined to be sports jocks or rappers?!* of course, that IS acceptable????

give me a break!!!! when did any CAUCASIAN, EUROPEAN DESCENT, MALE president ever speak for "all americans", let alone the middle and working classes, in addition to the poor? did anyone react to their ethnicity and did any white males all jump for joy? of course not, it was all ASSUMED.

and wouldn't it be nice to have a president with a brain?

i'm a woman and sure, i'd like a woman in office. i dare say, i'm one of those hated and feared "independent women" who seem to put many pof'ers in reaction mode on the numerous threads about feminists and what not. but, when it comes to voting, i take the whole thing in. based upon my life and my interests, i make a decision. similarly, conservatives have made their decision and interestingly they too picked a man who is attempting to represent the middle and working classes--as well as the poor!

hillary, by marriage, is still one of the old boys. sure, she suffers on the fringe of the male establishment and if she won the primary, i'd vote for her on party lines. i haven't always voted party lines at the state level, but in casting my vote, the current national scene definitely needs some flushing out.

however, barack obama has smarts and is not reactive unless pushed. his reactions are intelligent and not of desperation. he has a conceptual overview and has paid his dues and walked his talk. i'm still concerned about the post above regarding his advisors and plan to do some homework, but i would venture that advisors to the other candidates (both democrat and republican) also have a number of problems.

bottom line, however, i think he has the brains to take all the advice and evaluate. there are too many other knee jerk reactions. too many old boys, and believe me they don't represent the working or middle class man or woman in this usa. things have gone way downhill fast. my only hope is that other countries are benefiting. however, it doesn't seem to work that way either. only the wealthy muli-national corporations and their overpaid CEO's and big investors are benefiting--benefiting on our backs!!!

too many other countries are dependent today upon our economy. we need to do this right. and, what makes me feel a whole lot better lately , is that young people are finally showing up and are largely contributing to the cry for change! as an old 60's person, i am glad that this is finally happening and that there is life past brittany and mtv! finally, the "kids" are making me proud--even the republican kids.

it is time for CHANGE.
 deagleninja

Joined: 8/13/2006
Msg: 106
History made tonight, Barack Obama wins in Iowa!!
Posted: 1/7/2008 2:18:42 PM

I want a good man in the white house, If he happens to be black so be it.


Or at least half-black genetically...

Not to rain on your parade Blacksheep, but Barrack Obama's win isn't all that amazing (historic though it may be). For months now the media has given the man a free ride while focusing all the negative attention on Hillary in an attempt to make this race closer.

Also, the results in Iowa aren't as revolutionary as some would like to believe. A truly vast assortment of circumstances came together just perfectly in order for Obama to win in Iowa. Let me explain:

1) Hillary, while leading in every national poll, is also very hated by a rather sexist cross-section of america. Many voters weren't so much voting FOR Obama as they were voting AGAINST Hillary.

2) Obama (not to offend anyone) is also the 'whitest' black candidate to ever run. Much is made of him being a 'black candidate', but his mother is white, making him only half 'black'. He also was raised by the white side of his family while largly rejected by the black side of his family. Obama has never known hunger, poverty, or struggle. Indeed he was born into much more comfortable setting than Hillary was. Why mention all this? Because sadly much of america still isn't ready to elect a full-blooded black man/woman.

3) Obama also drew the largest share of GOP voters in the democratic caucus. While I'm sure a few votes were genuine, the vast majority of Republicans voting for Obama did so because he is the candidate they would most like the GOP to face in the general election. It is one of the oldest tricks in our nations political history.


As others have already said, now that Obama is the 'front-runner' you will finally see his negative qualities brought to light. The media loves a tight race.
 davey-t

Joined: 12/3/2007
Msg: 107
History made tonight, Barack Obama wins in Iowa!!
Posted: 1/7/2008 3:27:05 PM

Of course not, he won over two white candidates (both of whom I also like) in a State 95% white. I don’t think Iowan's voted for him because he was black either, but rather because they like his message and identify with his character.


So why create a thread which mentions his colour twice?

The Iowans were bothered by it (and nor was I), so why were you?
 Gotapulse

Joined: 3/21/2005
Msg: 108
History made tonight, Barack Obama wins in Iowa!!
Posted: 1/7/2008 3:39:53 PM
Right now , Obama looks like the best candidate for the Democrats. Personally I hope he wins the presidency (I think he's got his head screwed on straighter than most of the other potentials) Otherwise, ANYBODY that isn't Hilary Clinton is a good choice in my opinion.
 smilinglaughing

Joined: 2/20/2007
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History made tonight, Barack Obama wins in Iowa!!
Posted: 1/7/2008 3:42:38 PM
how about changing the constitution and a 3rd term for G.W.Bush?

he is so popular recently, he would win with a landslide in all states!

Al-Gore could be Vice President, together they could be the most electable team
 designingwoman

Joined: 9/4/2005
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Posted: 1/7/2008 4:36:53 PM
It does not surprise me that Obama won in Iowa. He is impressive, smart, and capable of getting the job done.

Hillary cried
 word nurd

Joined: 8/30/2007
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Posted: 1/7/2008 5:06:14 PM

He is impressive, smart, and capable of getting the job done.


You forgot "clean".
 Republiman

Joined: 10/15/2007
Msg: 112
History made tonight, Barack Obama wins in Iowa!!
Posted: 1/7/2008 5:09:30 PM
Will Political Correctness give Obama the Presidency ? he is clearly gaining popularity because of his Race and nothing more, Haven't heard him once speak about the issue's, and yet everytime he speaks he talks about change, I'm interested in hearing from him what's he going too change and how ?... He actually has been given a free pass because if a white candidate says anything derogatory about him, they will be considered racist, it's that old double standard, from what I read there is alot of dirt on him, and the more he gain momentum, sooner or later it's going too come out... And the biggest joke of all is that he claims too be african american, but ain't his mother white, and didn't his white grandparents raise him ? Kind of funny how he uses his minority half too run for president.. And if he wins can we call him President Half & Half...
 Always Smiling36

Joined: 1/3/2007
Msg: 113
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Posted: 1/7/2008 5:25:13 PM
And the momentum is gaining speed...

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/07/nh.poll/?iref=hpmostpop#cnnSTCText


Poll: 9-point lead for Obama on eve of N.H. primary

MANCHESTER, New Hampshire (CNN) -- On the eve of the New Hampshire primary, Sen. Barack Obama has a nine-point lead over Sen. Hillary Clinton in the state, according to a CNN-WMUR poll out Monday.

Obama, the first-term senator from Illinois who won last week's Iowa caucuses, led the New York senator and former first lady 39 percent to 30 percent in a poll conducted Saturday through Sunday evening -- a sharp change from a poll out Saturday that showed the Democratic front-runners tied at 33 percent.

Preliminary results from the poll released Sunday night showed Obama with a lead of 10 percentage points.

Support for former Sen. John Edwards, who edged out Clinton for second place in Iowa, dropped from 20 percent in Saturday's poll to 16 percent.

New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson ranked fourth among the Democratic contenders with 7 percent, while Ohio Rep. Dennis Kucinich trailed at 1 percent. Former Alaska Sen. Mike Gravel had less than one half of 1 percent support.

"The Iowa caucus results have convinced growing numbers of Granite State voters that Obama can really go all the way," CNN Polling Director Keating Holland said. "In December, 45 percent thought Clinton had the best chance of beating the GOP nominee. But in Saturday's poll, Clinton and Obama were tied on that measure, and now Obama has a 42 percent to 31 percent edge over Clinton on electability."

The CNN/WMUR polls is consistent with six other non-partisan polls taken since the Iowa caucuses. All seven polls show Obama leading Clinton by margins ranging from 1 to 13 points -- with the average Obama lead at 7 points. All the polls show Edwards in third place.

The CNN/WMUR polls "strongly suggests an Obama surge in New Hampshire," CNN Senior Political Analyst Bill Schneider said.

So is it all over? Not necessarily, according to Schneider.

"The CNN poll shows Obama and Clinton nearly tied among registered Democrats. Obama's lead is coming from independents," he said.

Obama's success depends on whether independents turn out in large numbers on Tuesday and vote in the Democratic rather than Republican primary, according to Schneider.

On the Republican side, Sen. John McCain leads former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney by a narrower margin -- 31 percent to 26 percent, the survey found. Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee -- whose upset win in Iowa came after being outspent by millions of dollars by Romney -- passed former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani to gain third place.Watch Candy Crowley explain the high stakes in New Hampshire »

In Saturday's poll, Giuliani had 14 percent and Huckabee had 11 percent. In Monday's poll, Huckabee had the support of 13 percent, while Giuliani had 10 percent.

The results suggest that Huckabee's win in Iowa, which saw him win strong support among evangelical Christian voters, is giving him momentum in more secular, libertarian-oriented New Hampshire, CNN Political Analyst Bill Schneider said.

Among other Republicans, anti-war Texas congressman and onetime Libertarian Party presidential nominee Ron Paul was in fifth place at 10 percent in the poll, with Rep. Duncan Hunter of California and former Sen. Fred Thompson of Tennessee both at 1 percent.

The poll, conducted by the University of New Hampshire, surveyed 599 likely Democrats and 492 Republicans likely to vote in Tuesday's primary. It had a sampling error of 4 percentage points.

Crucial to the outcome in New Hampshire are the state's independent voters, who make up around 40 percent of the electorate, and who can vote in either party's primary.

With time running out, 6 percent of likely Democratic primary voters and 5 percent of those likely to vote in the GOP primary remain undecided.

The poll indicates that a growing number of registered independents say they will vote in the GOP contest, which is a switch from just a month ago.

Whether independents decide to vote in the Democratic or Republican primaries could affect the outcome of both races, Schneider said, noting that McCain ties Romney among registered Republicans but has an 11-point lead when independent voters are included.

"So McCain is not just running against Romney. He's also running against Obama for independent support."

Obama appears to be pulling even with Clinton among women, a voting bloc that she once dominated in the polls. And when asked which candidate has the best chance of beating the Republican presidential nominee, likely Democratic primary voters now choose Obama over Clinton 42 percent to 31 percent.

That's a dramatic reversal from the last CNN/WMUR New Hampshire poll taken after Christmas and just before the Iowa caucuses, when Clinton beat Obama in electability by a two to one margin.
 Blacksheep

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Posted: 1/7/2008 6:28:51 PM
Deagleninja,


1) Hillary, while leading in every national poll, is also very hated by a rather sexist cross-section of america. Many voters weren't so much voting FOR Obama as they were voting AGAINST Hillary.


Hmmmmm????? Your saying he couldnt win without people voting against Hillary?
If thats the case tell me why John Edwards, Joe Biden, orBill Richards didnt get the win??


Or at least half-black genetically...



2) Obama (not to offend anyone) is also the 'whitest' black candidate to ever run. Much is made of him being a 'black candidate', but his mother is white, making him only half 'black'. He also was raised by the white side of his family while largly rejected by the black side of his family. Obama has never known hunger, poverty, or struggle. Indeed he was born into much more comfortable setting than Hillary was. Why mention all this? Because sadly much of america still isn't ready to elect a full-blooded black man/woman


What the hell does this have to do with anything?? one time in this country if you had "1/16th black blood" in you you were considered black, even if you had white features. He looks pretty black to me!
Are we really gonna get into semantics about his race?? Reminds me of when Tiger Woods 1st came on the scene...... When the media discussed him they called him the black golfer.......... When he started taking the "old masters" out one after the other he then became the half black /half aisian, or mixed golfer........ (shaking my head).
Guess you can be black no mater your mix once you stay poor and in the background.
Once you become sucessful and start beating the "establishment" at their own game you have to be part of this and part of that.



3) Obama also drew the largest share of GOP voters in the democratic caucus. While I'm sure a few votes were genuine, the vast majority of Republicans voting for Obama did so because he is the candidate they would most like the GOP to face in the general election. It is one of the oldest tricks in our nations political history.

As others have already said, now that Obama is the 'front-runner' you will finally see his negative qualities brought to light. The media loves a tight race.


I say bring it! theres no shortage of skeletons in the GOP's closet, any of the front runners over there got serious scandles that will be brought to lite if it comes down to it, especially Romney and Guiliani!


Obama will do what Bill Clinton did years ago.......... Bring out the youth vote in overwhelming numbers...... Game over!
 Blacksheep

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History made tonight, Barack Obama wins in Iowa!!
Posted: 1/7/2008 6:36:11 PM
davey-t,


So why create a thread which mentions his colour twice?

The Iowans were bothered by it (and nor was I), so why were you?


I'm not bothered about it at all, as a matter of fact I'm quite happy about the results!
As for why I mentioned his "colour" 2 times??........ read the thread title and look through the postings.................

Asked and answered, like they say on "Law and Order".


Go get em Barack!!!
 LebowskiFan80

Joined: 12/5/2007
Msg: 116
History made tonight, Barack Obama wins in Iowa!!
Posted: 1/7/2008 7:06:16 PM
The real question now is how much he wins by in New Hampshire.

He is destroying Hillary in South Carolina and has caught her in the national polls.

Hillary is also having money problems.

BTW He beats every republican in Iowa in a General Election matchup.

Maybe that is because they got to know him there?
 LebowskiFan80

Joined: 12/5/2007
Msg: 117
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Posted: 1/7/2008 7:36:35 PM
I have had my eye on Obama since 2003. I know who he is, thanks.
 Wolves-Lower

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History made tonight, Barack Obama wins in Iowa!!
Posted: 1/8/2008 5:49:30 AM
One of the real reasons Hillary lost in Iowa was because who she was with.
Talk about old school. Her husband is not getting her any new votes...period.
She was trying all the old recipe of Bill's.
Last night she threw the script out on an interview where she talked about how much she cared about the country, how she wants to better it. It was very moving.
If she would have been that candid, showed her emotions and got rid of Bill, Madiline Albright ect... she would have won.
Just to scripted.
 deagleninja

Joined: 8/13/2006
Msg: 119
History made tonight, Barack Obama wins in Iowa!!
Posted: 1/8/2008 6:05:52 AM
Blacksheep,


Hmmmmm????? Your saying he couldnt win without people voting against Hillary?
If thats the case tell me why John Edwards, Joe Biden, orBill Richards didnt get the win??


Because, as I said the GOP has a vested interest in seeing Obama win. You also don't cast your vote for a candidate slated for 3rd, 4th, or worse place if you want it to be most effective, instead you vote for the front-runner's strongest rival (Obama).


What the hell does this have to do with anything?? one time in this country if you had "1/16th black blood" in you you were considered black, even if you had white features. He looks pretty black to me!
Are we really gonna get into semantics about his race?? Reminds me of when Tiger Woods 1st came on the scene...... When the media discussed him they called him the black golfer.......... When he started taking the "old masters" out one after the other he then became the half black /half aisian, or mixed golfer........ (shaking my head).
Guess you can be black no mater your mix once you stay poor and in the background.
Once you become sucessful and start beating the "establishment" at their own game you have to be part of this and part of that.


You called him a 'black' man several time in you posts. I was just pointing out that he is half black and half white genetically, and completely 'white' culturally. Obama has never been poor, nor did he rise from poverty and 'beat the establishment' as you say. His drugs of choice were cocaine and pot (cocaine being typically associated with white people).
Look, I could care less if you see him as a black man and racial hero, that's your choice. All I'm saying is the fact that you and the entire media see him as a 'black man' says a lot about our nation's race relations.


I say bring it! theres no shortage of skeletons in the GOP's closet, any of the front runners over there got serious scandles that will be brought to lite if it comes down to it, especially Romney and Guiliani!


I hope you are right and he is ready to fight the smear tactics the GOP employs. However, I don't think that will be the case. As I've said, the Hillary-haters are a large part of his base. Come November I can easily see them voting for the 'white' guy rather than Obama. All it will take is another 'Willie Horton' style ad perhaps featuring someone Obama sold drugs to during the years he was addicted to cocaine and those old white fears will kick in.

Perhaps I'm wrong, and I hope I am. I too would love to believe america has come farther than that, but my heart tells me otherwise. It wasn't so long ago people voted GW in not once, but twice. The very fact Obama is gaining steam in the polls by simply repeating the word 'change' rather than talking about actual policy shows how simple the average person is. Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst. Obama will lose in November.
 Montreal_Guy

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History made tonight, Barack Obama wins in Iowa!!
Posted: 1/8/2008 6:21:36 AM

Reminds me of when Tiger Woods 1st came on the scene...... When the media discussed him they called him the black golfer.......... When he started taking the "old masters" out one after the other he then became the half black /half asian, or mixed golfer........ (shaking my head).

Guess you can be black no mater your mix once you stay poor and in the background.
Once you become successful and start beating the "establishment" at their own game you have to be part of this and part of that.


You know, I never saw it that way....but you ARE right.

There does seem to be a rather interesting mentality at work there. Thanks for pointing that one out... .

The other strange thing is how everyone rides Obama about his name, but have no problem (seemingly) with a potential presidential candidate named Huckabee.
 deagleninja

Joined: 8/13/2006
Msg: 121
History made tonight, Barack Obama wins in Iowa!!
Posted: 1/8/2008 6:36:11 AM

You know, I never saw it that way....but you ARE right.

There does seem to be a rather interesting mentality at work there. Thanks for pointing that one out... .

The other strange thing is how everyone rides Obama about his name, but have no problem (seemingly) with a potential presidential candidate named Huckabee.


Well I'll give ya Tiger Woods.
But anyone can look at Obama and see he is half-white. I just find it interesting that americans group most half-white/half-black as simply 'black' regardless of how evenly their features are mixed. It seems you have to be 95% 'white looking' as with Nicole Richie before you can be considered 'white'. As I said, it speaks volumes about our race relations.

As for his name, it's a shame some make an issue of that or his religious upbringing. I feel that only draws some much needed attention away from his lack of qualification for the job. And before anyone says anything, I'm not claiming Hillary should even get marks for being First Lady. I am, however, refering to Obama's record number of 'present' votes during his half-term as senator. It's hard to claim you are going to change america when you won't even take a stand in your home state.
 designingwoman

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History made tonight, Barack Obama wins in Iowa!!
Posted: 1/8/2008 8:53:13 AM
I would never compare Obama to Tiger Woods. First, Tiger Woods is not an honorable man of character. He's a scab who crossed the picket line on the Screen Actors Guild when they went on strike.

Obama is an honorable and good man who would make a fine Commander in Chief.

Unlike Bush, Clinton or McPain in the Neck, he has demonstrated an ability to remain calm and think clearly in crisis situations and has performed exceptionally well in the debates.

**Bush was dumbstruck at 9/11, not doing anything
**Shrillary got teary eyed in public
**McPain in the Neck has been known to lose control of his temper
**Mitt the Nitwit has shown inability to get along with others

I want a man running our country who has integrity, honesty and strength of character, and Sen. Obama has shown all of those. He will be our next president, and perhaps the greatest president I'll see in my lifetime!! GO BARACK!!
 alexandria_gal

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Posted: 1/8/2008 9:30:03 AM
^ ^ ^ ^ ^ If Obama get's the nomination, that's going to be President McPain in the neck to you.

BTW, John's a good guy even if I don't agree with all of his positions.

 Blacksheep

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Posted: 1/8/2008 9:34:37 AM
ok,


You called him a 'black' man several time in you posts. I was just pointing out that he is half black and half white genetically, and completely 'white' culturally. Obama has never been poor, nor did he rise from poverty and 'beat the establishment' as you say. His drugs of choice were cocaine and pot (cocaine being typically associated with white people).
Look, I could care less if you see him as a black man and racial hero, that's your choice. All I'm saying is the fact that you and the entire media see him as a 'black man' says a lot about our nation's race relations.


I see Barack Obama as a good man who made history once, and will do it again by the end of the day. Barack see's himself as a black man, should I disagree with him???

Drug use as a barometer of ones blackness or lack thereof is a stupid argument and not worth responding to.

Black people are not racially relegated to being poor! There are many more white people who live with less than poor blacks, so again another stupid argument.


I hope you are right and he is ready to fight the smear tactics the GOP employs. However, I don't think that will be the case. As I've said, the Hillary-haters are a large part of his base. Come November I can easily see them voting for the 'white' guy rather than Obama. All it will take is another 'Willie Horton' style ad perhaps featuring someone Obama sold drugs to during the years he was addicted to cocaine and those old white fears will kick in.

Perhaps I'm wrong, and I hope I am. I too would love to believe america has come farther than that, but my heart tells me otherwise. It wasn't so long ago people voted GW in not once, but twice. The very fact Obama is gaining steam in the polls by simply repeating the word 'change' rather than talking about actual policy shows how simple the average person is. Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst. Obama will lose in November.


Barack Obama, will win in November!!
I watched the Republicans and Democrats debate several times, and what I came away with is Democrats talking about repairing the country whether it be from the stand point of "experience", or "Change".
From the Republican side all you heard is a continuation of Bush policies, and who is best suited to beat Hillary Clinton in November.
When Barack Obama won in Iowa the only thing that changed on the republican side is "who can beat Barack Obama. Thats it!

Now everyone on both sides are following Barack Obama's "Change" message.
American People are not stupid; they want a leader with drive and energy, not the pack that for all their "experience" are now being led around by the "new comer".

Old politics works on old people. Old people are the die-hards in each party who will vote the party line every time. Young people don’t fall for that, they want someone who motivates them to come out vote, campaign, and believe in a better future.

So with that being said: Barack Obama will do the same thing come November that Bill Clinton did in his first run...... Bring out the youth vote in record numbers!!

He did that already in Iowa, he's doing it now in NH, he will do the same in NC too!

And then there’s the Independents, We can clearly see which way the majority of them are leaning already.

I have no Fear about Baracks chances of going all the way, and people on a whole will loose that fear the more he wins these early contests. He'll probably pull some Republican votes to his side as well. (at least one Republican poster on one of these threads concerning Obama has so much as said he would)


A New Leader, A New Government, A New Day In America.

Barack Obama 08'

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History made tonight, Barack Obama wins in Iowa!!
Posted: 1/8/2008 10:42:46 AM

I might be a new day in this country, an "Audacity of hope" that this final barrier can be broken once and for all in the 242 year history of America!

I thought our country was 231 years old?
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