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| History made tonight, Barack Obama wins in Iowa!!
Posted: 1/8/2008 11:16:21 AM | | I'll let the man's actions speak for themselves. Does he really support affirmative action in just about every conceivable facet of society ? Okay, that's not good but does he STILL believe it's the answer ? Other than 'driver's licenses to illegal immigrants' I'm not sure that anything in that list above is a bad idea. It seems to me that those are pretty good reasons to vote for him. He's got common sense and a good moral compass. Geez...if America doesn't want him then let us have him up here in Canada. If nothing else he'd give us a damned good Liberal candidate to consider voting for (and I mean the party...it's not synonymous with the radical left up here) Hell, he might make a good Conservative candidate for that matter. | |
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| History made tonight, Barack Obama wins in Iowa!!
Posted: 1/8/2008 12:18:51 PM | BlackSheep,
I see Barack Obama as a good man who made history once, and will do it again by the end of the day. Barack see's himself as a black man, should I disagree with him???
I too see him as a good man, but by 'making history' you imply he is the first 'black' man to win a primary? Back in 1984 Jesse Jackson won five primaries/caucuses (Virginia, DC, Mississippi, South Carolina, Louisiana). So just how is he making history?
And no offence, but Obama see's himself as a black man because it fits in with his political strategy. As I said before, the black half of his family largely disowned him and he was raised by his white mother and her relatives.
Old politics works on old people. Old people are the die-hards in each party who will vote the party line every time. Young people don’t fall for that, they want someone who motivates them to come out vote, campaign, and believe in a better future.
At 33, I may be 'old' to you, but I remember the Clinton years well and fondly. If wanting a return to fiscal responsibility and personal income growth is stupid then so be it.
He did that already in Iowa, he's doing it now in NH, he will do the same in NC too!
I think you mean SC, not NC. But yes, he probably will. It took americans years to wise up to Bush I'm sure a few weeks will give Obama all the time he needs.
I have no Fear about Baracks chances of going all the way, and people on a whole will loose that fear the more he wins these early contests. He'll probably pull some Republican votes to his side as well.
He already has, but not in the way you are thinking. As I said earlier, it is one of the oldest political tricks in the book to stack the odds in your favor. Notice how strangly silent the GOP has been about Obama. Karl Rove even offered some useful advice to Obama on how to beat Hillary. You don't really think that conservatives are swooning over the much more liberal Obama than they are Hillary who tends to be very moderate do you?
Look BlackSheep, I can totally understand your excitement about a black man having a shot at being president. If all the presidents in our history had been black men you better believe I'd be pulling for the white guy with a shot. All I'm saying is that in my humble opinion Hillary would make a much better president as well as being every bit historic as Obama. And that has nothing to do with skin color, just how I see their records respectively.
But if Obama should get the nomination I too will support him in the absence of Hillary. I just don't have as much faith in americans when it comes to politics as you do. But by all means, dream on and dream big. That's the one quality we all share regardless of skin color and culture. Best wishes. | |
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| History made tonight, Barack Obama wins in Iowa!!
Posted: 1/8/2008 12:59:27 PM | Hmmm, was just looking at a pic of barack, and I'm telling you I'd swear if you put him, Alfred e. Newman, and George W. in a lineup you'd swear they were seperated at birth....   , see the resemblance... | |
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| History made tonight, Barack Obama wins in Iowa!!
Posted: 1/8/2008 1:17:08 PM | 10 months to go to election day. it's increadibly long time. 4-5 people have chances now to become presidents.
the best would be maybe a king there. American Royal Dynasty. no problem with elections.
proposal for royal dynasty: King Brad Pitt and Queen Angelina Jolie
how about that? | |
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| History made tonight, Barack Obama wins in Iowa!!
Posted: 1/8/2008 2:33:51 PM | Ok Etourdi,
I do Approve this message of Barack Obama being the next president of the U.S.A!
I am sure you do, if I were a minority I would love to see Obama as President then I would be assured that I would receive even more benefits,Government aid and advantages based on my skin color. Heck he has already softened his postion on reparations maybe I would even get some extra money on top of everything else...
I have never received any “government aid” neither did my family.I run my own business, so I’m sure I didn’t hire myself because I’m black, lol
I benefit from responsible leadership, better foreign policy, better economy, better health care, affordable college, better public education across the board, more jobs staying in the country, better housing market, less lies, less dependence on middle east, less wars as a result, and cheaper fuel costs.
But then again so will EVERY American including you Etourdi.
statements and votes made by Obama-
I will answer these as you wrote them since you haven’t cited a source to find these statements.
Support granting driver's licenses to illegal immigrants:
Give immigrants who are here a rigorous path to citizenship:
Would you have us deport them all? Exactly how do you find and deport 12,000,000.00 plus immigrants across the entire country? If we got every plane, bus, ship and train commandeered by the government for a week we wouldn’t be able to “ship them all out….. providing we could find them all.
Lets not forget that it was Ronald Regan who allowed amnesty in the 80’s so it could get to the point it is today
Extend welfare and Medicaid to immigrants
You said “immigrants” not illegal immigrants, there is a difference.
YES on allowing illegal aliens to participate in Social Security
If they are already using the benefits, shouldn’t they be able to pay into it?
YES on giving Guest Workers a path to citizenship
We are all guests in a way, the American Indians are the only one who can claim the term “Native” so if your family members got a path to citizenship shouldn’t everyone else??
NO on declaring English as the official language of the US government
Are we trying to divide? Set apart, and group people into one class or another?
Voted NO on constitutional ban of same-sex marriage
This old bullshit again? We have far more important problems to handle than to worry about who’s boinking who! Besides with the amazing rates of divorce among straight couples we should focus more on marriage counseling in the same churches that denounce gay marriage.
Again, this has nothing to do with a Presidential election, but should be a community issue. Gay people don’t cause a breakdown in straight people marriages, straight people do!
YES on $5B for grants to local educational agencies(disadavataged/minorities)
Aids plan because of the racial dispairity
And the problem with this is?????? Can you prove that there’s no differences between the levels of education between minorities and majorities? If not what’s your argument?
Voted YES on $52M for "21st century community learning centers
We spend 50+ Billion with a Capitol B every day in Iraq and for what??? Does 52 Million period to help educate the children (this country’s future) really seem like such a bad thing?
Supports affirmative action in colleges and government
Nothing wrong with a level playing field, minorities didn’t start prejudice we’re the victims of it and the vast differences between the education of minorities and majorities, and more importantly the prejudices that exist in the system of jobs, higher education, and government require such measures. If education at the base level (K through 12) was even, and if there was no such thing as prejudice in the workplace then affirmative action wouldn’t be needed.
Condoleeza Rice is a beneficiary of Affirmative action regardless of her hypocrisy on the matter today.
America's race and class problems are intertwined
Prejudice against, and lack of proper education creates a ruling class and a ruled class
Rated 100% by the NAACP, indicating a pro-affirmative-action stance
Again…… what’s the problem with this??????
head start,step up programs targeting the disadvantaged(minorities)
No level education field means that one on the lower end of it needs to work harder to reach the same level as the one on the higher end of it. Imagine running a race with someone equally as fast but your starting line is 30 steps behind them. Is that fair and balanced?
Address minority health needs by more coverage & targeting
Please see Barack Obamas education plans here
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/education/
See plans specifics for Pre- K to grade 12 here:
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/pdf/PreK-12EducationFactSheet.pdf
See Barack’s plane for college here:
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/pdf/CollegeAffordabilityFactSheet.pdf
Make sure that African-American men have access to jobs.
Cant see no problem there either. Would you rather they not have access???
"he'd seek to end sentencing that punishes users of crack cocaine more harshly than those who take powder cocaine, "when the real difference is where the people are using them or who's using them." he changed the original which said "the the real difference is the skin color of "
If anything Crack cocaine contains less cocaine than the powder version since its cut with baking soda, so why so much harder sentences for a lesser amount of a controlled substance. Unless baking soda is now on the list of controlled substances and I wasn’t aware.
"Obama also suggested that he'd scale back voter-fraud investigations in black and Latino districts in favor of investigations into voter suppression, hate crimes and job discrimination"
Once again, what’s the problem with this?? Can voter fraud be ignored only if it benefits the Republican party? Anyone remember Florida and Ohio??
"He pledged to recruit more public defenders by giving breaks on law school loans. And he called for a law curbing racial profiling, death-penalty revisions and shorter sentences for first-time, nonviolent drug users"
Law should work for every American. For this to happen the Lawyers, Judges, and police should represent all Americans. If you have a country that’s 70% white and the other 30% others including blacks (off the top of my head) Then why are the prison populations over 50% black???? Seems like something is not right here.
The other day a man got exonerated through DNA, after 26 years in jail for a rape charge he never committed. How many on death row are there wrongfully?
If a man smokes crack in his home, should he go to jail for as long as someone who murders someone??
"There's an old saying that when America gets a cold, black America gets pneumonia,"
If you start off with disadvantages you will still be behind when everyone else gets a set back.
"On every measure, on income, on health care, on incarceration rates, on the criminal justice system, on housing, on life expectancy, on infant mortality, on almost every single indicator, there is still an enormous gap between black and white,"
"“Are some voters not going to vote for me because I’m African-American? Those are the same voters who probably wouldn’t vote for me because of my politics,” Doesn't this statement imply that anyone who doesn't vote for him is racist?
Real Talk, If someone wont vote for him because of his race, are they able to vote for his politics??? Last time I checked politics cant run for office, politicians can.
We are an African people, and remain "true to our native land," the mother continent, the cradle of civilization.
This is a quote from the about us section of the church in which Obama worships.
Here’s some links to Baracks Church: Trinity United Church of Christ
http://www.tucc.org/about.htm
His Church is linked to the larger: United Church of Christ
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Church_of_Christ
Once again it’s a non issue, just more smoke and mirrors to upset anyone who has racial bias.
So finally the subject you’ve posted so much about in this thread and previously un-answered by me until now has been delt with.
There’s nothing wrong, and no difference with an African American supporting African American people, being concerned about the condition of the African people, African continent ,and a Hebrew American supporting Jewish Americans and Israel.
In Fact Every American Politician supports Israel (and most are not Jewish) based on Christian Theology which links Jews and Christians together, yet I hear no complaints from anyone when Israel is the beneficiary of American supports both financial, militarily and technology wise.
If Joe Lieberman (Ind. of CT) were to support Israel, belong to a synagogue, and run for president this wouldn’t be an issue.
I’m not anti-Jew, however I’m anti-anyone who’s anti-African since I am of African decent, An African American, and I want to see something done to lift up African people, the African continent, the American people, and American country.
I cannot forget who I am in order to obtain office, employment, education, business, wealth, ect ect.
I don’t expect Barack to forget who he is to get office either or I would have no respect for him.
The argument that someone is a racist because they care for their own people as well as everyone else is stupidity to the F degree!
We are Americans, a multinational mix of peoples on a common land with a common goal, life liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. We promoted democracy, equality, and freedom for not only ourselves but for people world wide.
We have never lived up to that creed, which is the reason; the whole world thinks we are hypocrites!
“All Men created equal”, Well it’s about time that All men (and women) have an equal chance at leading this nation into the future. If all men are created equal, then its about time that we promote democracy and equality to all nations, not just those with mineral riches, or strategic position to those with mineral riches.
Lets be real here, racism is just a divisive measure used to separate the masses, get them to start in-fighting as a good distraction from the real issue of Classism!
The ruling class loves to see this happen, and would love nothing more than to immerse the nation into racial bickering while the Classists A.K.A Upper class robs you and I blind.
The problem is not social services, nor the little bit in taxes it costs, it’s the destruction of the middle class, housing market, economy, and the outsourcing of jobs.
You may see a raise in taxes as the problem, but if you open your eyes you’ll see that the policies of well paid for politicians are the ones that really hurt all Americans.
We need to ask ourselves: Why is it our money is soooo low that we can notice every penny that leaves our pocket for social services and programs?
We need to ask ourselves: Who are the ones pointing the finger of blame while at the same time putting policies in place that crush our economy and benefit a select few?
We need to ask ourselves: Why we need to work more hours to get less?
We need to ask ourselves: Will we become willing surfs to the elitists and generate slave labor for corporations. Then take our meager earnings and give them right back to these same corporations for their Chinese made sub standard, poisonous products??
Its not a black and white issue, its those who have money and power Verses and those (the majority) who don’t!
I’m for a candidate who is against this “new racism” A.K.A “Classism”.
I’m for Barack Obama, and this November when I, and millions of Americans “pull that lever”, it’s not a vote for a Black man, it’s a vote against the machine which has been well greased by the elitists. I’m happy that this vote against the ruling class just happens to go to a black candidate, but truthfully, anyone who’s not one of the elitist assholes that have ruined this country out of greed works for me just fine!
Barack Obama, November 08’
My name here is BlackSheep, and I approve this message too!
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| History made tonight, Barack Obama wins in Iowa!!
Posted: 1/8/2008 3:13:18 PM | Blacksheep:
the reality is even if Mr. Obama would be president - the right and interest of African Americans would be also not much better represented. the president has no power in himself if he has no support from senate, congress, member states, all the government apparatus and the business community etc.....
he cannot subsequently comen up with plans with better education, health care more jobs etc. for African Americans...as he would be attacked basically "he prefers his own backround"
all in all, could be a little bit better, but I wouldn't expect a sudden major shift...
the bottom line is, even if he gets elected as President - based on the press I read on CNN and some other sources, he is quite sympathetic, especially after Bush  - but don't expect a Paradise afterwards - for not to get disappointed
the same holds if Hillary becomes president - it's not automatic than suddenly all women's rights and interests and so would be suddenly much better represented...
the President is indeeed a central figure, but has only partial power | |
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| History made tonight, Barack Obama wins in Iowa!!
Posted: 1/8/2008 3:44:37 PM | hey Deagleninja,
At 33, I may be 'old' to you, but I remember the Clinton years well and fondly. If wanting a return to fiscal responsibility and personal income growth is stupid then so be it.
Your not old to me, I'm 30, lol. I was refering to those somewhere around 45 and up who are well entrenched in their own political beliefs. (but even allot of these people are switching gears now too)
I too see him as a good man, but by 'making history' you imply he is the first 'black' man to win a primary? Back in 1984 Jesse Jackson won five primaries/caucuses (Virginia, DC, Mississippi, South Carolina, Louisiana). So just how is he making history?
He was the first to win the Iowa Caucuses, and soon it will be NH too. This is important since it cant be claimed that people (95% white) voted for him not simply because he's black, but rather for character and message.
He already has, but not in the way you are thinking. As I said earlier, it is one of the oldest political tricks in the book to stack the odds in your favor. Notice how strangly silent the GOP has been about Obama. Karl Rove even offered some useful advice to Obama on how to beat Hillary. You don't really think that conservatives are swooning over the much more liberal Obama than they are Hillary who tends to be very moderate do you?
Oh believe me, this has been thought of. I'm suspicious of the same thing but I also realize that the GOP party elite are not only far away from their base, but far from reality as well. If They believe that they can use Obama like a new Ralph Nader to ensure their own party an easy win, It will backfire on them with the momentum that Barack has managed to mount among the youth vote.
Look BlackSheep, I can totally understand your excitement about a black man having a shot at being president. If all the presidents in our history had been black men you better believe I'd be pulling for the white guy with a shot. All I'm saying is that in my humble opinion Hillary would make a much better president as well as being every bit historic as Obama. And that has nothing to do with skin color, just how I see their records respectively.
But if Obama should get the nomination I too will support him in the absence of Hillary. I just don't have as much faith in americans when it comes to politics as you do. But by all means, dream on and dream big. That's the one quality we all share regardless of skin color and culture. Best wishes.
I feel the same way but in reverse, I once supported Hillary on these threads, and this was before she even announced that she would run. Even when Barack came on the scene I was still behind Hillary thinking that this country is still to divided on racial lines to ever vote for a black man for President.
But the Iowa win changed my prospective since it was White people who put him over the two white candidates he tied next to in the polls prior.
A very inspiring moment for me as I'm sure with many of all races that this is finally possible. and now the second test is going on currently in NH (another 97% white state).
States with a larger black population will also be good but it proves nothing about electability. Everyone will say "he just won because of the black vote" so he wont be able to win in more traditionally white states.
I dont believe that majority of white people are racist at all, but I do believe they are looking at the situation the same way the black population is looking at it.
We want someone of Baracks character to have his time in the White house but we believe that racism will prevent that opportunity. We (blacks and whites) believe that a white woman would escape those racial barriers that traditionally block blacks from the office of President.
But in reality I believe the political hatred for Hillary will bring out Republicans to vote GOP just to spite her, and especially her husband (the last Democrat to give the Republicans a spanking).
The Independents seem to like Obama more than Hillary too.
The overall picture says that even though having less experience Barack has a message that will get people charged left, center, and a good chunk of right to come out and vote for "Change". (even the Republicans who up until Iowa spouted more of the same, are all following Barack's "Change message!!! Very Telling!)
I understand completely what your saying but as time goes on you'll see the shift in American political history.
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| History made tonight, Barack Obama wins in Iowa!!
Posted: 1/8/2008 3:54:07 PM | Hey smilinglaughing,
Blacksheep:
the reality is even if Mr. Obama would be president - the right and interest of African Americans would be also not much better represented. the president has no power in himself if he has no support from senate, congress, member states, all the government apparatus and the business community etc.....
he cannot subsequently comen up with plans with better education, health care more jobs etc. for African Americans...as he would be attacked basically "he prefers his own backround"
all in all, could be a little bit better, but I wouldn't expect a sudden major shift...
the bottom line is, even if he gets elected as President - based on the press I read on CNN and some other sources, he is quite sympathetic, especially after Bush - but don't expect a Paradise afterwards - for not to get disappointed
the same holds if Hillary becomes president - it's not automatic than suddenly all women's rights and interests and so would be suddenly much better represented...
the President is indeeed a central figure, but has only partial power
I would never think that all of a sudden things will get "even" if Barack won, but atleast black Americans will have better representation. More importantly America as a whole will have better representation especially after 7 years +1 more of Bush.
Besides the best thing Barack can do for black Americans is create better economic , education, and foreign policies that will help to restore America's place, respect, and strength in the world.
With that being done it will improve the economy, create more jobs, and reduce the deficit. That will help all Americans, blacks included! | |
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| History made tonight, Barack Obama wins in Iowa!!
Posted: 1/8/2008 4:36:51 PM |
I dont believe that majority of white people are racist at all, but I do believe they are looking at the situation the same way the black population is looking at it.
We want someone of Baracks character to have his time in the White house but we believe that racism will prevent that opportunity. We (blacks and whites) believe that a white woman would escape those racial barriers that traditionally block blacks from the office of President.
But in reality I believe the political hatred for Hillary will bring out Republicans to vote GOP just to spite her, and especially her husband (the last Democrat to give the Republicans a spanking).
I have to respectfully disagree with some of your points here...
What strikes me about this election is that the two strongest candidates (Obama and Hillary) both offer a chance to make history by being the first black or female respectively, to win the nomination. However, how we've come to this turning point in the race seems very telling to me. You seem to think america saw a female candidate as the lesser of two 'evils', but I would argue the opposite.
Yes Barrack Obama is black, or half-black (if you prefer), but he is still a man. People are strange when it comes to female leaders, and I dare say much less enlightened than when dealing with people of a different race. Thanks to the sacrifices of previous generations we live in a world where black men can make as much (if not more) than white men. The same can be said for women on the whole.
However, this is where the progress seems to stop. In my personal life I've had several female bosses and noticed countless double standards. A woman can be equally authoritive as a man yet be labeled '****y'. Women still get accused of 'sleeping their way to the top' on a daily basis. In short, a woman's success isn't derived from her own hard work, but from sexual favor or quotas.
How does this apply to Obama?
While I don't hold him responsible for the nation's primitive attitude towards powerful women, he is definitely benefiting nonetheless. Coupled with the phobia whites and the media in general have over saying anything critical of blacks (for fear of being labeled racist), Hillary finds herself in a very compromising situation.
For example:
Awhile back one of Hillary's aids was virtually crucified for mentioning Obama's use of cocaine in an interview. Though he was let go Hillary suffered a horrible backlash she has yet to recover from. It doesn't matter that the aid was pointing out something Obama himself had published. It doesn't matter that the choice of words wasn't Hillary's. She was instantly accused of dirty tricks verging on racism.
Now fast forward to a stump speech Obama gave shortly after the assasination of former female prime minister Bhutto. During that speech he equated Hillary's foreign policy to 'sipping tea with world leaders while waiting for her husband'. The previous statement by Hillary's ex-aid recieved days of coverage on CNN, while Obama's comment barely registered on any of the media outlets.
That Hillary is hated by a large cross-section of america is undeniable...but why? Why is Hillary so 'power hungry' when all the other candidates are not? When I press people about their reasons for hating Hillary the answer is almost always 'because'. Love her or hate her, Hillary is the strongest, most qualified woman to ever run for the highest office in our land. I don't begrudge Obama his cross-racial success, I just despair that we are still generations away from electing a woman to lead. Hopefully I'll live long enough to see this final barrier fall too. | |
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| History made tonight, Barack Obama wins in Iowa!!
Posted: 1/8/2008 4:56:29 PM | Deagleninja,
I Agree with some of what you said above and I've heard from many people that Black men/women, and white women are all in the same boat as far as political jobs go.
I also agree that people who dislike Hillary are most likely just:
1. parroting the party line.
2. hate bill and give her backlash as a result
3. are sexist against the thought of a woman in the White House.
Either way its all bullshit to me. I like Her, but she has to be more of herself and less of the well scripted political resume that she presents herself as.
She got more reaction from having the personal and emotional moment in the cafe, than all the speechs she has given to date. A sort of humanizing of the woman rather than the political robot alot of people believed her to be thus far.
I just seen a preview of the Iowa polls with only 8% reporting showing her with a slight lead over Obama. a 2% lead so far.
Its not over yet, and Barack may still pull this off in NH but at least now shes still in the game for being more of herself, and less of the resume.
I personally want a good competition between the two and the best person win.
I was actually hoping to have a Clinton Obama, or Obama Clinton! A virtual political dream team, however with the shots that both have taken at each other I wonder if that is still possible.
That would be a real historical moment either way it went and a win win for those who want hope and change coupled with experience in or near the position. | |
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| History made tonight, Barack Obama wins in Iowa!!
Posted: 1/8/2008 5:02:35 PM | Black or white, no matter. Just no more idiots like Bush, and no more Clintons please!
I won't just vote for Obama because he's a black. That would be without merit and without weighing all the candidates on their beliefs, or examining their character.
I didn't watch to see Senator Clinton's melt down damn! But I did hear Bill's less than intelligent ramblings of poor me, and poor Hillary in Glen Beck today.
What would the world leaders think, or what would our enemy's think of a president who cried every time she didn't get her way?
Enough of the Clintons please! It's over for Hillary, and thank God! | |
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| History made tonight, Barack Obama wins in Iowa!!
Posted: 1/8/2008 11:23:58 PM | regarding "race" and barack obama's "color": my kids are half "african american". culturally, they had no exposure to any aspect of the african american "culture" until i fost/ adopted them as teens. growing up, i did have a great degree of that exposure--given my parents friends and collegues. we have further traced their birth dad to a british birth grandma. they are also "half" peruvian dividing further into grandparents of spanish and indigenous descent. i had very little south american exposure, until recently.
all that being said, they do NOT consider themselves WHITE--anymore than a blonde considers herself a brunette or a tall person, short. thus, in our family, we have changed "white" to european descent or in my instance eastern european descent.
culturally, each child has had different exposures and can be somewhat "chamelion" when they are in different situations or with different groups of people. just like i passed for italian, even though i am of russian descent and often had to listen to "jewish jokes"--my kids pass for a variety of ethnicities and /or races, based upon how they are dressed and who they are with. the fact is that they are truly multi-cultural, considered of mixed "race" and "ethnicity" and have been exposed to a wide range of settings: third world dire poverty, upper middle class america, jail, mental hospitals for post trauma and pre-university/pre law school--yes, we are getting there. who they are, their assumptions, their victories, their evolving choices, speaks to their unbelievable history and their exposure to unspeakable things and their amazing recoveries. and yes, they all drive me, the mom, nuts!!! their dad was a scholar but very ill. their birth mom a third world artist who wanted her children to have an "education". but someone would not say to them, they are WHITE, because i have adopted them and raised them.
when i was a kid, you were not "white" in nyc. you were italian, irish and oddly "jewish" --irrespective if you were of german, russian or polish descent--at that time, the three major subgroups.
my point? race is slowly disappearing as the generations evolve. those who are race defined will have a problem with that. most of the people i know, who are my age, are nonetheless adjusting as their granchildren are of mixed ethnicities.
i will say it again and again whenever "race" comes up as an issue. according to genetic studies, "race" became differentiated as the original african tribes migrated north into colder regions and their skin lightend up to take in more vitamin D from the sun as they were more "covered" to keep warm. the american racial divide is way more recent than slavery, when post world war two federal legislation did not ALLOW veterans of color (!) to apply for low interest, 30 yr. mortgages that WHITES were granted. as an afterthought, they tossed in the high rise ghettoes as a bone. it was not until the 60's that this stance was declared illegal, but alas! the damage was done and subcultures were forced to also reflect issues of poverty and lack of educational opportunity that came with these high rise ghettoes and redlining performed by banks and realtors to further the mess.
sooooooooooooo, time has gone by. race will soon be no big deal. lack of education and income, however, will continue to divide. obama is just a precursor of the future "american". there will be many different cultural mixes and we will then be mostly dealing with other countries competing for jobs that we have taken for granted. it will be an international economy. intead of moving across the usa to get a new and promising job--you might be moving to china or india! there will be income divides and a rapidly shrinking middle class who will not be able to keep up, unless they get more saavy.
it will happen whether you like it or not. we need a president who is comfortable in this new world and can bring us forward, get us more saavy, and bring us to the forefront of international opportunity. a very big paradigm shift people!!! | |
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Posted: 1/9/2008 3:49:08 PM | boo screw both obama and clinton, although it would be interesting to see hilary in the oval office....the men seem to enjoy the big house to all its potential so maybe she would too, and then take one more stab at billy boy.
GO RON PAUL! | |
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| History made tonight, Barack Obama wins in Iowa!!
Posted: 1/9/2008 3:57:21 PM | I watched Ron Paul in the last Republican debate, but he was largely ignored by not only every other candidate, but also the moderator as well. If he cant even get a respectable showing on the GOP side, he wouldnt have a chance against Barack and especially not Hillary!!
Ron Paul should have registered Independent. | |
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| History made tonight, Barack Obama wins in Iowa!!
Posted: 1/9/2008 4:12:29 PM | | Seems too me that Hillary sunk Baraks battleship in New Hampshire, Barak is just the same as Shrillary, and George W. none have any experience on running anything, and America is tired of incompetent people running our country into the ground. The only reason Barak will win if he wins anything is his skin color the reason being everyone has too tread lightly or they will be considered racist in regards too any form of criticism. Political Correctness is destroying freedom of speach... Barak is the political equivalent too Michael Jackson... | |
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| History made tonight, Barack Obama wins in Iowa!!
Posted: 1/9/2008 4:17:50 PM | You are absolutely right, he should have went independent. However the reason he has gotten almost ZERO coverage is not because the other candidates are the BEST. Mainstream media pretty much refuses to mention him let alone cover him. That is whats wrong with this country, everyone thinks inside this tiny little box and anything out of norm is shunned. His views and political stance is anything but the norm. But at least he stands behind his beliefs and does not flip flop. This country is so fearful of taking things into their own hands, its really sad. So we rely on someone else to screw up everything then that way we can at least point the finger in the other direction right, and not take responsibility for our own actions. Much easier to blame someone else!!  | |
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| History made tonight, Barack Obama wins in Iowa!!
Posted: 1/9/2008 4:37:41 PM |
Seems too me that Hillary sunk Baraks battleship in New Hampshire, Barak is just the same as Shrillary, and George W. none have any experience on running anything,
Its a sin to compare People as intelligent as Hillary and Barack to a bum like Bush.
Look at you TV, While we're trying to repair this country, Bush is trying to start another war as we speak.
and America is tired of incompetent people running our country into the ground.
Bush ran this country into the ground, and he couldnt do it on his own, he had the help of a majority republican congress and senate!
The only reason Barak will win if he wins anything is his skin color the reason being everyone has too tread lightly or they will be considered racist in regards too any form of criticism. Political Correctness is destroying freedom of speach... Barak is the political equivalent too Michael Jackson...
Barack won in a white, state, and came in second within another white state so I dont think his color has anything to do with it.
Whats the comaparison to MJ about, please be more specific?
Second thought, dont bother, it will probably be some meat-head, neo-con, republican bullshit that has no bearing on reality but all on partisan political bias. | |
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| History made tonight, Barack Obama wins in Iowa!!
Posted: 1/10/2008 2:30:22 PM | The true test of a person's character and resolve comes when he faces defeat - and not victory. That's when you see how they can take punches.
As for experience, I'd say putting up with a two year (essentially) period of your life campaigning until the party's official nomination is a good litmus test for a potential president. That's one kitchen that you better be able to stand the heat in, and not mess up in. | |
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| History made tonight, Barack Obama wins in Iowa!!
Posted: 1/10/2008 2:50:22 PM | Blacksheep says: " I was actually hoping to have a Clinton Obama, or Obama Clinton! A virtual political dream team, however with the shots that both have taken at each other I wonder if that is still possible. "
Am I the only one who has noticed the significance of Bill Richardson dropping out of the presidential race? It's a lock for Hillary if she gets him on her team. The Latino vote will be HUGE and a lock for a Hillary/Bill Richardson ticket. Votewise, they would be unstoppable, mark my words here. I've seen no other post pointing this out !!! | |
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| History made tonight, Barack Obama wins in Iowa!!
Posted: 1/10/2008 3:41:18 PM | ^^^ Actually, there was a discussion somewhere along those lines. Candidates usually separate into three groups. The play-it-same frontrunners, the longshots swinging for a homerun, and the longshots looking to get on base. Getting on base really means positioning yourself for a VP offer by playing nice and bringing some organization and supporters to the ticket. Swinging for a home run means burning your bridges.
You could see the difference in the debates:
Dodd, Biden, and Richardson were all playing nice.
Edwards, Kucinich, and Gavel are playing for the miracle, and from the get-go were not restrained in attacking other candidates.
Similar dynamic for the republicans:
Hunter, Tancredo, and Brownback were playing nice.
Huckabee and Paul are playing for the miracle.
Guilaini, McCain, and Romney were playing the front runner game. | |
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| History made tonight, Barack Obama wins in Iowa!!
Posted: 1/10/2008 7:41:45 PM | Javan,
Am I the only one who has noticed the significance of Bill Richardson dropping out of the presidential race? It's a lock for Hillary if she gets him on her team. The Latino vote will be HUGE and a lock for a Hillary/Bill Richardson ticket. Votewise, they would be unstoppable, mark my words here. I've seen no other post pointing this out !!!
Either way would bring out a large voting group, only difference would be that a large part of the hispanic population (maybe 20%) cant vote bacause of immigration status, and Richardson may not bring out the desperately need youth vote.
Barack on the ticket in the captains chair, or co pilot would excite the youth vote, black vote, and large number of hispanics (here too mostly on the younger side), and Independents.
Hillary will bring the party faithful, and the older crowd. | |
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| History made tonight, Barack Obama wins in Iowa!!
Posted: 1/11/2008 6:03:06 AM | Are we really gonna get into semantics about his race?? Reminds me of when Tiger Woods 1st came on the scene...... When the media discussed him they called him the black golfer.......... When he started taking the "old masters" out one after the other he then became the half black /half aisian, or mixed golfer........ (shaking my head). Guess you can be black no mater your mix once you stay poor and in the background.
Kinda OT, but genetically black skin, hair and features are dominant, and since most black people in this country are mixed race (even if it dates all the way back to slavery) we just wind up calling all people who look black, "black".
Although Barack Obama is biracial, he looks black. Mariah Carey is also biracial (also white mother black father), but she doesn't look black. I bet most people don't even know she's biracial, so she doesn't get the same label -- and I bet she didn't when she WAS poor and living in the projects because her father wasn't in the picture.
I think Tiger Woods just found it curious being categorized "black" because he's a true result of the melting pot -- a multiracial father (haf black, quarter American Indian, quarter white), and an Asian mother (half Chinese, half Thai). So he has four races going on there, and most of it ISN'T black.
Fact is most of us are mutts. I'm a huge mutt (English, Scotts, Russian, German), but a single-race mutt which makes it easier for strangers to categorize me.
Why people find a need to categorize others by race to start with is an entirely different questions, but they do.
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| History made tonight, Barack Obama wins in Iowa!!
Posted: 1/11/2008 8:23:07 AM | I guess it comes down to what Barack labels himself since beyond his outward appearance its the most important factor, and if he calls himself a black man, who are we to argue.
This should not be an arguement about his "level of blackness", but his campaign for office, and in this particular thread marking a historic moment in American history where a man with any level of "blackness" won a caucuss in Iowa. | |
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| History made tonight, Barack Obama wins in Iowa!!
Posted: 1/11/2008 9:04:57 AM |
This should not be an arguement about his "level of blackness", but his campaign for office, and in this particular thread marking a historic moment in American history where a man with any level of "blackness" won a caucuss in Iowa.
I agree. But give Iowa voters some credit. They voted for ideas and left color behind.
Iowa may be a majority caucasian state but we are diverse thinking. We are also educated.
We see a canidate in Obama that can bridge the gap to the future politics in America.
Keep well in mind that the population of Iowa is also an old one.
Here are some Census facts;
Persons 65 years old and over, percent, 2006 14.6% National Avg. 12.4%
High school graduates, percent of persons age 25+, 2000 86.1% National-80.4% | |
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