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| History made tonight, Barack Obama wins in Iowa!! Posted: 1/9/2008 4:17:50 PM | You are absolutely right, he should have went independent. However the reason he has gotten almost ZERO coverage is not because the other candidates are the BEST. Mainstream media pretty much refuses to mention him let alone cover him. That is whats wrong with this country, everyone thinks inside this tiny little box and anything out of norm is shunned. His views and political stance is anything but the norm. But at least he stands behind his beliefs and does not flip flop. This country is so fearful of taking things into their own hands, its really sad. So we rely on someone else to screw up everything then that way we can at least point the finger in the other direction right, and not take responsibility for our own actions. Much easier to blame someone else!!  | |
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| History made tonight, Barack Obama wins in Iowa!! Posted: 1/9/2008 4:37:41 PM |
Seems too me that Hillary sunk Baraks battleship in New Hampshire, Barak is just the same as Shrillary, and George W. none have any experience on running anything,
Its a sin to compare People as intelligent as Hillary and Barack to a bum like Bush. Look at you TV, While we're trying to repair this country, Bush is trying to start another war as we speak.
and America is tired of incompetent people running our country into the ground.
Bush ran this country into the ground, and he couldnt do it on his own, he had the help of a majority republican congress and senate!
The only reason Barak will win if he wins anything is his skin color the reason being everyone has too tread lightly or they will be considered racist in regards too any form of criticism. Political Correctness is destroying freedom of speach... Barak is the political equivalent too Michael Jackson...
Barack won in a white, state, and came in second within another white state so I dont think his color has anything to do with it. Whats the comaparison to MJ about, please be more specific?
Second thought, dont bother, it will probably be some meat-head, neo-con, republican bullshit that has no bearing on reality but all on partisan political bias. | |
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| History made tonight, Barack Obama wins in Iowa!! Posted: 1/10/2008 2:30:22 PM | The true test of a person's character and resolve comes when he faces defeat - and not victory. That's when you see how they can take punches.
As for experience, I'd say putting up with a two year (essentially) period of your life campaigning until the party's official nomination is a good litmus test for a potential president. That's one kitchen that you better be able to stand the heat in, and not mess up in.  | |
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| History made tonight, Barack Obama wins in Iowa!! Posted: 1/10/2008 2:50:22 PM | Blacksheep says: " I was actually hoping to have a Clinton Obama, or Obama Clinton! A virtual political dream team, however with the shots that both have taken at each other I wonder if that is still possible. "
Am I the only one who has noticed the significance of Bill Richardson dropping out of the presidential race? It's a lock for Hillary if she gets him on her team. The Latino vote will be HUGE and a lock for a Hillary/Bill Richardson ticket. Votewise, they would be unstoppable, mark my words here. I've seen no other post pointing this out !!! | |
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| History made tonight, Barack Obama wins in Iowa!! Posted: 1/10/2008 3:41:18 PM | ^^^ Actually, there was a discussion somewhere along those lines. Candidates usually separate into three groups. The play-it-same frontrunners, the longshots swinging for a homerun, and the longshots looking to get on base. Getting on base really means positioning yourself for a VP offer by playing nice and bringing some organization and supporters to the ticket. Swinging for a home run means burning your bridges.
You could see the difference in the debates: Dodd, Biden, and Richardson were all playing nice. Edwards, Kucinich, and Gavel are playing for the miracle, and from the get-go were not restrained in attacking other candidates.
Similar dynamic for the republicans: Hunter, Tancredo, and Brownback were playing nice. Huckabee and Paul are playing for the miracle. Guilaini, McCain, and Romney were playing the front runner game. | |
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| History made tonight, Barack Obama wins in Iowa!! Posted: 1/10/2008 7:41:45 PM | Javan,
Am I the only one who has noticed the significance of Bill Richardson dropping out of the presidential race? It's a lock for Hillary if she gets him on her team. The Latino vote will be HUGE and a lock for a Hillary/Bill Richardson ticket. Votewise, they would be unstoppable, mark my words here. I've seen no other post pointing this out !!!
Either way would bring out a large voting group, only difference would be that a large part of the hispanic population (maybe 20%) cant vote bacause of immigration status, and Richardson may not bring out the desperately need youth vote.
Barack on the ticket in the captains chair, or co pilot would excite the youth vote, black vote, and large number of hispanics (here too mostly on the younger side), and Independents. Hillary will bring the party faithful, and the older crowd. | |
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| History made tonight, Barack Obama wins in Iowa!! Posted: 1/11/2008 6:03:06 AM | Are we really gonna get into semantics about his race?? Reminds me of when Tiger Woods 1st came on the scene...... When the media discussed him they called him the black golfer.......... When he started taking the "old masters" out one after the other he then became the half black /half aisian, or mixed golfer........ (shaking my head). Guess you can be black no mater your mix once you stay poor and in the background.
Kinda OT, but genetically black skin, hair and features are dominant, and since most black people in this country are mixed race (even if it dates all the way back to slavery) we just wind up calling all people who look black, "black".
Although Barack Obama is biracial, he looks black. Mariah Carey is also biracial (also white mother black father), but she doesn't look black. I bet most people don't even know she's biracial, so she doesn't get the same label -- and I bet she didn't when she WAS poor and living in the projects because her father wasn't in the picture.
I think Tiger Woods just found it curious being categorized "black" because he's a true result of the melting pot -- a multiracial father (haf black, quarter American Indian, quarter white), and an Asian mother (half Chinese, half Thai). So he has four races going on there, and most of it ISN'T black.
Fact is most of us are mutts. I'm a huge mutt (English, Scotts, Russian, German), but a single-race mutt which makes it easier for strangers to categorize me.
Why people find a need to categorize others by race to start with is an entirely different questions, but they do.
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| History made tonight, Barack Obama wins in Iowa!! Posted: 1/11/2008 8:23:07 AM | I guess it comes down to what Barack labels himself since beyond his outward appearance its the most important factor, and if he calls himself a black man, who are we to argue.
This should not be an arguement about his "level of blackness", but his campaign for office, and in this particular thread marking a historic moment in American history where a man with any level of "blackness" won a caucuss in Iowa. | |
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| History made tonight, Barack Obama wins in Iowa!! Posted: 1/11/2008 9:04:57 AM |
This should not be an arguement about his "level of blackness", but his campaign for office, and in this particular thread marking a historic moment in American history where a man with any level of "blackness" won a caucuss in Iowa.
I agree. But give Iowa voters some credit. They voted for ideas and left color behind. Iowa may be a majority caucasian state but we are diverse thinking. We are also educated. We see a canidate in Obama that can bridge the gap to the future politics in America. Keep well in mind that the population of Iowa is also an old one.
Here are some Census facts; Persons 65 years old and over, percent, 2006 14.6% National Avg. 12.4% High school graduates, percent of persons age 25+, 2000 86.1% National-80.4% | |
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| History made tonight, Barack Obama wins in Iowa!! Posted: 1/11/2008 10:09:25 AM | Wolves, ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I Co-sign the above, and its the basis of my whole argument with other posters on this thread. He won on message and character, not skin color.
Lets hope the rest of the States show the same intelligence that Iowans have. | |
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| History made tonight, Barack Obama wins in Iowa!! Posted: 1/11/2008 3:25:28 PM | Is this thread about skin color still going on? Yikes!
Obama won in Iowa on his speaking and presentation ability. This does take intelligence, however, I see no intelligent plan of action as far as leading a nation though.
Javan...Not sure about Richardson as a selection for a running mate? You are thinking ahead though and I admire this ability. As stated earlier we now see McCain entering the picture. My thoughts are that Hillary or Obama would be wise to carry a more conservative running mate like Richardson [still not sure it will be him personally though] to offset the independent votes that McCain will be gathering. Yet not everything is done wisely in politics [if not most]. **wink**
Obama needs to start talking 'plans' and 'strategies' for his promises if he really wants the votes of those looking beyond being inspired. :-) | |
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| History made tonight, Barack Obama wins in Iowa!! Posted: 1/11/2008 6:25:04 PM | Etourdi,
So are you implying that the citizens of New Hampshire are not intelligent?
By that statement you assume I meant that Iowans are intelligent because the voted Obama based on color, However you can re-read my posts and see that I'm consistant in saying they (Iowans) "didnt vote based on color, but message and character".
Citizens in NH voted the same way, and chose Hillary's message and character. with Barack coming in a close second.
Makes for a good political race and exciting to see who will carry the future contests. | |
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| History made tonight, Barack Obama wins in Iowa!! Posted: 1/11/2008 6:35:00 PM | Here you go again Sari,
Is this thread about skin color still going on? Yikes!
Yes the thread is still going on, lol
Obama won in Iowa on his speaking and presentation ability.
I've been say that all along
This does take intelligence, however, I see no intelligent plan of action as far as leading a nation though.
Go to: BarackObama.com ..................seek and you shall find.
Obama needs to start talking 'plans' and 'strategies' for his promises if he really wants the votes of those looking beyond being inspired. :-)
Its still early in the contest, dont want to show your hand until everyone's in and has their money on the table. See how everyone from both parties are now parroting Obamas "Change message", whats to say they wont steal his Ideas early in the contest to re-lable as their own.
I'f I was a politician I would gaurd my plans too untill a large enough audience is watching and listening. | |
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| History made tonight, Barack Obama wins in Iowa!! Posted: 1/14/2008 5:11:51 PM | blacksheep~
It is truly great that an african american man looks poised to be the next president, but honestly, it's not all that amazing to me that iowans voted the way they did. the media likes to portray iowa as this lilly white state full of farmers, but that is simply not the case. while iowa does indeed have a small number of minorities, it is ranked as one of the top states for interacial child births. sure there are a lot of farmers, but there is a big university there as well! the state is pretty liberal, and the university of iowa draws many people from diverse cultures and backgrounds into the iowa city/coralville area. there is also an active and large (proportionately) gay community in the iowa city area too. i lived in iowa for a number of years so i can atest to these facts personally. also, the number of social workers, out of wedlock births etc. are a pretty sad testament to the social welfare malaise that seems to go hand and hand where ever so-called liberal politicics goes...
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| History made tonight, Barack Obama wins in Iowa!! Posted: 1/21/2008 9:24:04 PM | The TRUTH of the matter is. Obama will get elected because everyone thinks he is a great guy. The REAL TRUTH and I mean the real TRUTH from the mouth of a prophet ------He is the ANTI-CHRIST. Ask God if this is true! God Doesn't Lie! He will speak a WORD to you if you really want to know; just ask.
God Bless All of You, Peace and Safety to you all.
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| History made tonight, Barack Obama wins in Iowa!! Posted: 1/21/2008 10:36:26 PM |
-He is the ANTI-CHRIST. Ask God if this is true! God Doesn't Lie! He will speak a WORD to you if you really want to know; just ask.
I just asked god if you are ignorant.
He replied, "Yes, he is". | |
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| History made tonight, Barack Obama wins in Iowa!! Posted: 1/22/2008 8:25:18 AM | George W. Bush is the Anti Christ That beast does everything counter to Christ's Teachings so he would be an anti Christ
Seriously I believe that Sen. Obama is just the kind of man we need to run our country. Too many "experienced" politicians are also the ones bought out by the lobbyists. We need to get rid of the lobbyist trash in Washington. | |
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| History made tonight, Barack Obama wins in Iowa!! Posted: 1/22/2008 9:05:42 AM | lara said;
It is truly great that an african american man looks poised to be the next president, but honestly, it's not all that amazing to me that iowans voted the way they did. the media likes to portray iowa as this lilly white state full of farmers, but that is simply not the case. while iowa does indeed have a small number of minorities, it is ranked as one of the top states for interacial child births. sure there are a lot of farmers, but there is a big university there as well! the state is pretty liberal, and the university of iowa draws many people from diverse cultures and backgrounds into the iowa city/coralville area. there is also an active and large (proportionately) gay community in the iowa city area too. i lived in iowa for a number of years so i can atest to these facts personally
Your right, the media does like to portray Iowa as lilly white. But take away the University of Iowa out of the equation, which BTW Obama won 52% to Clintons 22%. How does this explain non-university Countys like Grundy or other primary farm communities? I disagree about the state being liberal. I think we are dead in the middle. Since you have lived in Iowa take a look at the county by county results. I find them very interesting. http://dyn.politico.com/iowacaucuses/iowamap-popup.html As expected any town with a major university went to Obama. That would be Johnson, Blackhawk (go panthers) and Story. I think the voters of Iowa see a glimpse into the possible future of a different kind of leader. And after Bush, Clinton, Bush we are tired of that sequence. | |
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| History made tonight, Barack Obama wins in Iowa!! Posted: 1/27/2008 7:00:28 AM | I woke up this morning to pleasent news, Barack wins SC!!!
I cant wait for "super tuesday" to put this in the bag once and for all!
By DAVID ESPO and CHARLES BABINGTON, Associated Press Writers 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
COLUMBIA, S.C. - Barack Obama routed Hillary Rodham Clinton in the racially charged South Carolina primary Saturday night, regaining campaign momentum in the prelude to a Feb. 5 coast-to-coast competition for more than 1,600 Democratic National Convention delegates.
"The choice in this election is not about regions or religions or genders," Obama said at a boisterous victory rally. "It's not about rich versus poor, young versus old and it's not about black versus white. It's about the past versus the future."
The audience chanted "Race doesn't matter" as it awaited Obama to make his appearance after rolling up 55 percent of the vote in a three-way race.
But it did, in a primary that shattered turnout records.
About half the voters were black, according to polling place interviews, and four out of five of them supported Obama. Black women turned out in particularly large numbers. Obama, the first-term Illinois senator, got about a quarter of the white vote while Clinton and former Sen. John Edwards of North Carolina split the rest.
Clinton flew to Nashville as the polls closed, and looked ahead. "Now the eyes of the country turn to Tennessee and the other states voting on Feb. 5," she said, adding "millions and millions of Americans are going to have their voices heard."
Edwards finished a distant third, a sharp setback in the state where he was born and scored a primary victory in his first presidential campaign four years ago. Even so, he vowed to remain in the race, his goal, he said, to "give voice to all those whose voices aren't being heard."
The victory was Obama's first since he won the kickoff Iowa caucuses on Jan. 3. Clinton, a New York senator and former first lady, scored an upset in the New Hampshire primary a few days later. They split the Nevada caucuses, she winning the turnout race, he gaining a one-delegate margin. In an historic race, she hopes to become the first woman to occupy the White House, and Obama is the strongest black contender in history.
The South Carolina primary marked the end of the first phase of the campaign for the Democratic nomination, a series of single-state contests that winnowed the field, conferred co-front-runner status on Clinton and Obama but had relatively few delegates at stake.
That all changes in 10 days' time, when New York, Illinois and California are among the 15 states holding primaries in a virtual nationwide primary. Another seven states and American Samoa will hold Democratic caucuses on the same day.
Obama took a thinly veiled swipe at Clinton in his remarks.
"We are up against conventional thinking that says your ability to lead as president comes from longevity in Washington or proximity to the White House. But we know that real leadership is about candor, and judgment, and the ability to rally Americans from all walks of life around a common purpose — a higher purpose," Obama said.
Looking ahead to Feb. 5, he added that "nearly half the nation will have the chance to join us in saying that we are tired of business-as-usual in Washington, we are hungry for change, and we are ready to believe again."
Nearly complete returns showed Obama winning 55 percent of the vote, Clinton gaining 27 percent. Edwards had 18 percent and won only his home county of Oconee.
Obama also gained 25 convention delegates, Clinton won 12 and Edwards eight.
Overall, Clinton has 249 delegates, followed by Obama with 167 and Edwards with 58.
Obama also gained an endorsement from Caroline Kennedy, who likened the Illinois senator to her late father, President John F. Kennedy.
"I have never had a president who inspired me the way people tell me that my father inspired them," she wrote on The New York Times op-ed page. "But for the first time, I believe I have found a man who could be that president — and not just for me, but for a new generation of Americans."
All three contenders campaigned in South Carolina on primary day, but only Obama and Edwards arranged to speak to supporters after the polls closed. Clinton left for Tennessee as the polls were closing. After playing a muted role in the earlier contests, the issue of race dominated an incendiary week that included a shift in strategy for Obama, a remarkably bitter debate and fresh scrutiny of former President Clinton's role in his wife's campaign.
Each side accused the other of playing the race card, sparking a controversy that frequently involved Bill Clinton.
"They are getting votes, to be sure, because of their race or gender. That's why people tell me Hillary doesn't have a chance of winning here," the former president said at one stop as he campaigned for his wife, strongly suggesting that blacks would not support a white alternative to Obama.
Clinton campaign strategists denied any intentional effort to stir the racial debate. But they said they believe the fallout has had the effect of branding Obama as "the black candidate," a tag that could hurt him outside the South.
Nearly six in 10 voters said the former president's efforts for his wife was important to their choice, and among them, slightly more favored Obama than the former first lady.
Overall, Obama defeated Clinton among both men and women.
The exit polls showed the economy was the most important issue in the race. About one quarter picked health care. And only one in five said it was the war in Iraq, underscoring the extent to which the once-dominant issue has faded in the face of financial concerns.
The exit poll was conducted by Edison Media Research and Mitofsky International for The Associated Press and the networks.
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Associated Press writers Beth Fouhy, Seanna Adcox and Mike Baker in Columbia, S.C., contributed to this report.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080127/ap_on_el_pr/south_carolina_primary
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| History made tonight, Barack Obama wins in Iowa!! Posted: 1/27/2008 9:35:13 AM | | As a white man I could never vote for Obama, and the reason being, he too is White, well half and he never mentions that, I mean supposedly his African American father ran off on him, and his White mother and white grandparents raised him, so too me it seems without the white influence in his life would he really be where he is at ? As for the election the only reason he won South Carolina is because of his skin color he certainly didn't win on his stance on the issues cause I have yet to hear any of his stance. All I can say is God Help us if he wins. | |
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| History made tonight, Barack Obama wins in Iowa!! Posted: 1/27/2008 9:52:39 AM | I say God help us if Mitt the Nitwit Romney wins
^^^That's an absurd reason to not vote for someone because he doesn't discuss certain aspects of his family God help us if we have voters voting for single issues such as abortion, guns, or skin color. I have a friend who is 3/4 white but considers herself Black. People can identify themselves whatever way they want to. Nuff said! I don't care if Obama labels himself black, or half black or whatever. He is a good man and I hope he makes it all the way to the White House!
Obama is my man because he is the kind of guy who can move our country forward. The rest of the candidates save Dennis Kucinich (a long shot) are more of the same old, which as one poster mentioned, we are tired of.
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| Barack Obama wins in Iowa!!, and now wins S. Carolina too Posted: 1/28/2008 11:43:14 AM | Barrack picks up the endorsements of the Kennedy family.
Interesting enough in itself since the daughter of the late great JFK said she has been looking for a presidential candidate that gave her the feeling that people told her her father (JFK) gave to them,................ and she found that candidate in Barack Obama!
The way this movement is taking off makes it seem like watching the movement around Bobby Kennedy in the late 60's (this time without the threat of assasination).
see link below for Obamas South Carolina win speech:
http://www.youtube.com/watch_fullscreen?fs=1&e=h&sourceid=y&video_id=i8mG5qfDXL4&l=1001&sk=wvZgg9emX1lqLNE3_V9sVgU&t=OEgsToPDskIgZUewTk_yKPzxiLJoJyMj&hl=en&plid=AAREzWgOyRsOAYOxAAAAIgAYSAA&sdetail=p%253A%2Fprofile&title=Barack%20Obama:%20South%20Carolina%20Victory%20Speech
What a great time to be an American again.........  | |
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| Barack Obama wins in Iowa!!, and now wins S. Carolina too Posted: 1/28/2008 3:11:40 PM | Amen, Blacksheep! I agree that Obama has the inspirational manner that Bobby Kennedy had. Bobby Kennedy was a good man, who died long before he should have.
It is a great time to be an American, to finally have a leader who is inspirational, intelligent and able to do the job and do it well.
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