| Do you think there should be laws against people who trick you into sexual encounters!
Posted: 1/4/2008 8:59:45 PM | if you are that serious about it the only legal thing to do would be to draw up a contract.
it would state both parties are truly in love and consent to sexual intercourse. if it's found that party #1 was not in love but only saying it to get sex from party #2 then party #1 must pay party#2 $5000.
how's that sound?
Hmm. Not very useful to me. Maybe I'll write myself a little contract that I'll get guys to sign so I won't be accused of "tricking" them into having sex.
Let's see:
I, the undersigned, being of sound mind and willing body, hereby agree to the following:
Whereby Jane Doe concedes she wants me,
And further, Jane Doe concedes she needs me,
Jane Doe also stipulates there ain't no way she's ever gonna love me
I, the undersigned, hereby agree that:
I won't be sad
'cause two out of three ain't bad
I won't be sad
'cause two out of three ain't bad
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| Do you think there should be laws against people who trick you into sexual encounters!
Posted: 1/4/2008 9:03:17 PM |
A girlfriend of mine went on a date with a guy and it didn't work out, and she eventually fell out of contact with him. MONTHS LATER he calls her on some random day while she was out shopping and he demanded that since it didn't work out, she should give him money for half the date.
you know i don't like you when i start paying for things... that's when you *know* you are not getting laid. | |
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| Do you think there should be laws against people who trick you into sexual encounters!
Posted: 1/4/2008 9:16:40 PM | Oh yes this begs for the introduction of the "consent to engage in sexual activity form"..... which would require being completed in triplicate, signed in the presence of two witnesses, and of course a notary. Describing in absolute detail the exact sexual acts to be performed by each party, without omission and the exact reason for each individual act. Then to be filed with local authorities, just in case there are ever ever any feelings of regret ...ever. Yes we need just some more laws to help govern every aspect of human nature, so that we cannot be possibly ever make a decision on our own and live with it..javascript:smilie(' ')
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| Do you think there should be laws against people who trick you into sexual encounters!
Posted: 1/4/2008 11:24:24 PM |
What do you think you should do when you find out your boyfriend is on here flirting with other women??Tac1 is taken please do not talk to him.He is the kind that plays those tricks.
Hmm. Is this your boyfriend? If so, why is it ok for YOU to be on here with a profile that says "seeking a man for dating" but not him? | |
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| Do you think there should be laws against people who trick you into sexual encounters!
Posted: 1/5/2008 12:00:28 AM |
can i ask all the people who disagree with my views....could you all tell me who made the rule book to sexual deception just being a lesson learnt?????
OP, Isn't the point that there is no rule book? Life's not fair, people are not always honest, promises are not always kept. I don't see that being a realist about the situation makes us willing to "bend over and take it."
As for her being tricked and lead on....I SERIOUSLY do not think the man wasted months of his life, numeruous dates, who knows how much money, just to get one night in the sack with her!
Common sense tells me that he had some serious interest in her or he would not have wasted so much time and effort. From your own description of her she sounds lackluster for lack of a more polite way to put it.
Sounds like the poor man was lead on and decieved. He dated her, courted her, felt something for her, and after waiting months for the pleasure of an intimate encounter with her, there was no chemistry.
After so much build up, expectations, high hopes, which evidently fizzled, don't you think the man was the more decieved?
Let's sue her!
Just me playing devil's advocate...
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| Do you think there should be laws against people who trick you into sexual encounters!
Posted: 1/5/2008 12:36:41 AM | I could not read any more past page #7~!
No! Is the answer!! Stop it! Mr. Dynomite and Creative Guy on page #7 made me laugh ... those scenarios as described by them must happen all the time if there should be a law for this kind of stupidity! However I am mixed on this cuz if he was a psychopath he could really brain wash her into almost anything...so she should keep every love letter of promise and hope he ever sent to her for proof... and she should try to catch him in the midddle of a lie. There are methods.
There are red flags too... and if OP's friend was in one abusive relationship after another she may not recgognize an abuser/con-artist and then she might fall for BS easily. This could happen then if he is a psychopath and is seriuosly screwing with her head. If this was so this is a sad scenario indeed. But still, she should trust her own instincts before letting it all reach that point and if she still can't separate her emotions she should cross check them with a trusted group of friends...or get professional help over the situation. Op, did u not see something fishy in all that your friend was telling you about this guy of hers?
There are idiots out there that will feed you all kinds of tales and will sex you just as fast as a duck on a June bug... or shall I say rooster on a hen...every pun intended! They are generally either looking to get laid period or they have a very low opinion of themselves as a man and have to boost their ego by preying on the weak...the weak and naive do make easy targets for creeps ... however, that's when it's important to step back and really put everything that is going on through a fine toothed comb...just as soon as something might feel a little off. Trusting ones very first instincts is a wise thing because they are usually right on the button. However maybe he saw something that made him change his mind and he decided to high tail it out of that relationship pronto. Don't know for sure and that can happen, he may have been honest throughout then discovered something he knew he couldn't live with...that's ok...but he should have been a MAN about it and given her an honest explanation as to why he changed his mind.
However, actions do speak louder than words... BE SURE his actions match his words...that goes for both genders. Sexual predation is about power and control If you are weak and allow for this sort of thing it will grab you by the butt! If OP's friend had sex with this guy it's cuz she wanted it too or she would have sent him out the door.
However I've seen a somewhat similar experience and have learned that some actually feel comfort in lies they see it as a form of caring..."he's lying to protect me....ahhh...he must REALLY care"...NOPE ur stupid! ...and he can get away with it so he does. A lying jerk will always take the easy way out... he'll get what he wants with the minimum amount of fuss so he'll look for someone that will provide a non threatening environment so he can cheat and philander to his greeds content. If he suffers from that much narcissism he'll never be satisfied. Does your friend OP really want someone like this in her world???
Women should be more assertive. If you know for a fact that the guy was a player and you are smart enough to not be a victim but see it through to the end: For example if you found out he had a series of girlfriends maybe even had a wife he was hiding there is a site called don'tdatehimgirl.com post it there (his full name and picture) so others won't get hurt...it's about time women stand up to guys like this if not they continue on and on and on... leaving a trail of destruction. Sitting back thinking 'what goes around comes around' is WRONG because while you are sitting back they are on the next victim so fast they'll have your head spinning! In this day and age with the web and life threatening STD's we can't sit back, we should have empathy for others.
But still, in every mistake there is always a lesson...'no one learns through success, failure is our teacher', Danish Philosopher Soren Kierkegaard. Hopefully OP's friend can learn from her pain and mistake by NOT letting someone like that anywhere near her or her kids (shouldn't there be a rule out there for women with kids to put the guy under a microscope for at least a year before you allow for any closer contact?) and it might be helpful for OP's friend to read these posts. :modhammer: | |
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| Do you think there should be laws against people who trick you into sexual encounters!
Posted: 1/5/2008 1:39:52 AM | Msg 249
You said "How do you trick someone into having sex with you?........well, the same way another tricks another into loaning them money.....and the other party has no intention of ever paying it back. Manipulation and a lot of sweet talking. "
You're forgetting one major difference: if I loan you money and you don't pay it back I received NOTHING from you. If I have sex with someone, unless it a blow job (excuse the crassness) than we BOTH had sex-by default that's the way it works, so you get instant payback! Maybe you'd like more 'interest on the loan' but still..... LOL....
So unless you're trying to say he should be sued because he didn't fall in love with you after you had sex with him (which means the woman is being manipulative in that instance) you're not comparing the same type situations...
You can never prove someone lied to you in order to have sex with you (unless they were married and said they were not---but ironically I'd bet you could sue someone in that situation ) so this is a discussion that has gotten so way out of hand, but is like a bad accident...I can't look away!!!! | |
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| Do you think there should be laws against people who trick you into sexual encounters!
Posted: 1/5/2008 3:24:06 AM | Oh geez.... There are far more important things that should be made into effect, tougher sentencing for gun crimes, wiping out the Young Offender Act, harsher penalties for drinking and driving causing death, longer jail time for animal abuse.... but hey... there are thousands of people who are 'hurt' by people after being misled lets throw those people in jail and throw away the key. Pffft 
Personally, if someone is sooooo wracked with emotion after being 'tricked' into a sexual encounter after many times of chatting, meeting and so forth she/he should be evaluated for her own good.
Life goes on, don't believe everything someone tells you. If it sounds too good to be true... It very well is. | |
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| Do you think there should be laws against people who trick you into sexual encounters!
Posted: 1/5/2008 6:27:44 AM | From post 268:
"So unless you're trying to say he should be sued because he didn't fall in love with you after you had sex with him (which means the woman is being manipulative in that instance) you're not comparing the same type situations..."
Very good point about the manipulation.
If one is to even contemplate an idea for a legislative proposal made in the Opost, why not enforce an existing law and claim that all those who have sex "in return" for something other than the sex itself, that falls under the scope of existing laws re .... and that those who ask for "commitment" before they engage in sex are in effect engaging in some kind of "blackmail"!!!!! Last time I checked, women and men who have sex do so because they both want to have sex and they both enjoy it. If one of the sides does not want to and does not say so, then that side is at the least hypocritical.
Is is mutual exchange of fun between two people and there should be no explicit or implicit attachments or benefits asked for. Even asking for them may be argued that it is somewhat illegal (soliciting sex in return for commitment or other, non sexual benefits) .
Are the above syllogisms far fetched?
Of course they are.
But not as far fetched as the syllogism/"proposal" in the Opost.
On the other hand, it is science and technology that may provide a "solution", in the future, who those who want to "know" whether someone who claims to love them actually loves them when they say so (because that may change): A love-meter machine.
Lover A says: I love you baby
Lover B says: I love you too, babe
Then they both take out their portable love-meters and ask each other to hook up to their machine so that they can verify the emotion/feeling, before they proceed with "anything" .....
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| Do you think there should be laws against people who trick you into sexual encounters!
Posted: 1/5/2008 6:53:41 AM | Soo many people on this forum seem to dish out the advice.............( dont believe everything your told) etc etc...if this is the case..these players somehow should be punished and stopped for their selfish behavior because lets be honest and face facts here...their producing a very incredulous and negative world! getting away with it and even having the majorities justify it for them!
Let me make myself more clear here for all you ones that dont grasp the vital point im trying to make.....this man fooled my friend into thinking he loved her ..he even went has far to manipulate her verbally into sexual intercourse with him by telling her she was acting silly and child like after she told this man 3 TIMES verbally she didnt feel ready for sex with him...but he patronised her verbally by making her feel childish and silly if she didnt!.... so he did use verbal force and manipulation ! personally after 3 times of telling this man ...yes i would have told this guy where to get off! or wait!! but i have been informed by my friend in question that she did fear she would lose him if she didnt please him sexually....anyhows at the end of the day in my opinion this man pressured her into sex with him verbally! and took advantage of her affections for him!...could even be frowned upon as emotional blackmail!!! has dont most of us go out of our way to the person we love...just as my friend did...either way she couldnt win! weather she choose to have sex with this man or not! it seems he would have left her!....its also a mis-conception that players wont wait around too long for sex....because if the other person is hot enough or hotter than anybody the players had before...trust its the players biggest conquest to date....and the player will hang on in there to win that shining medal! bye all x | |
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| Do you think there should be laws against people who trick you into sexual encounters!
Posted: 1/5/2008 7:02:08 AM |
For anybody concerned....do you think there should be laws against game players that trick you into sexual encounters and dress things up in deceit
Yes! I think that once they're caught, they should be forced into a 3 month hiatus to let those of us, who're less able, have a chance at successful seduction. Those master Pick-up artists are really raising the requirements to impossible levels for newcomers!!!  | |
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| Do you think there should be laws against people who trick you into sexual encounters!
Posted: 1/5/2008 7:27:55 AM | Most men know and understand unless a women says yes, the answer is no. When a man doesn't respect this, it's time to move on. To the players, this is a game and time just makes the conquest better.
On the other side, the female in question needs some positive affirmations to help improve her self-esteem. When a man can manipulate a women into bed with the line “…you’re being silly”, there’s problems on both sides. There are red flags...just look and listen.
These players aren't even respected by other men. A jerk is a jerk.
Most men will wait for the party when it’s fireworks for everyone.
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| Do you think there should be laws against people who trick you into sexual encounters!
Posted: 1/5/2008 7:28:46 AM | | Make them wait for sex, if they are genuine they will wait, if you are a class act of a woman, a man will gladly wait, if he does not want to wait, let him go....any woman that jumps into bed early in the relationship is foolish and I don't believe our legislative bodies are going to make laws against foolish behavior........ | |
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