| Do you think there should be laws against people who trick you into sexual encounters!
Posted: 1/5/2008 9:58:31 PM | Good point kyphosal, and I don't like it any better than you. It would be nice if men and women in general were made to carry an identity card containing info on their behaviour, health issues, etc so people know what they are getting into. Maybe soon that will happen. Gotta love the information age.
In the meantime, maybe we in North America should adopt some laws common in many Muslim countries that make stuff like this these guys do illegal, and thus harder to perpetrate. Of course, nobody will mind having the law interfere even more in their lives than it already does..... will they? | |
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| Do you think there should be laws against people who trick you into sexual encounters!
Posted: 1/5/2008 10:19:40 PM | I saw the title of this thread - and read 'trick you into sexual encounter' and I jumped on this!! WOW! I could actually trick someone into having a sexual encounter with me!! Why didn't I think of that! Celibacy is for the birds - it really sucks! I have been forced into a celibate lifestyle and it just ain't fun! Imagine my disappointment when I discovered that this was not a thread that provided instructions on how to trick someone into experiencing a sexual encounter with me - but was a thread suggesting that our great government should be invited into our sex lives one more time! We can create a special division of the City Police Dept. - call it the POKEY POLICE! or in the poor areas of town - THE POKEY PO PO! and we can have POKEY COURT! and we can fund all of this through the POKEY TAX! uh - wait a sec... somehow that could be twisted and it would make sexual encounters cost money which is just another way of saying prostitution... ok.... er, never mind.... bad idea.....
On a serious note:
example for you if a car sales man told you ..you can buy a car from him for 10 grand but really meant 20 grand after agreements have been signed n sealed would you feel conned....i rest my case
Last time I watched someone buy a car and used the dealership to obtain financing... well, the car was purchased for a little over 10 grand and according to the contract he signed - 5 years down the road, after all the finance charges were added up - he paid almost 20 grand for that damned car!! Did he feel conned? I doubt it - but that is why I always pay cash for my vehicles!
And I am still living a life of forced celibacy - ya know - that oughta be a crime!!! | |
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| Do you think there should be laws against people who trick you into sexual encounters!
Posted: 1/5/2008 11:15:33 PM | because lets face it tricking somebody into bed with lies and conning them with the promise of long lasting love and maybe more!! is kind of wrong!
SO LETS BE CLEAR,, you want the government to punish the guy cuz you were too stupid to see thru his game?
no one gets 'TRICKED" out of sex.
pardon my for laughin but by starting this thread,, you have basically labeled yourself and your "friends" as real dumba$$es. | |
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| Do you think there should be laws against people who trick you into sexual encounters!
Posted: 1/6/2008 1:49:29 AM | Let's see, how can I trick the smart, intelligent to pull her pants down, open her legs, and get on top of me......oooooo, lie to her, that'll totally work cause she doesn't have a brain of her own at all!!!
Seriously, grow a freaking brain, tell your friends to grow a freaking brain, and stop trying to make money off your own stupidity. You should know better by now. | |
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| Do you think there should be laws against people who trick you into sexual encounters!
Posted: 1/6/2008 2:49:39 AM | Uh....what ? All you have to do is remember to keep your zipper in the upright position. If you can't handle that then there certainly isn't much anybody around here can do to help you out.
Secondly, no guy formulates a plan to string somebody along for months just so they can have sex once and then take off. As investments go, that's a pretty crappy one. If it was only about getting laid in the first place he wouldn't have waited "months". And if he was willing to wait months for sex, why would he finally get it and then run away when he now knows he can have as much as he wants ? Even the most sociopathic man on Earth isn't going to waste that much time and effort just to put a notch on a bedpost.
What's really happening is that when he finally has sex he has no more goal with this woman unless there's something else there for him. I'm not blaming her, I'm simply explaining that it's hardly as malicious as you'd like to believe OP. Once he's achieved the 'goal' he starts looking around and wonders to himself "Okay...so we've had sex. Now that she's not holding that back anymore, do I actually like this chick ? Is she interesting to me ? Could I actually have a relationship with her ?" If he answers no to any of those questions then he's gone.
Like I said, I'm not blaming her. I'm just telling you that she's not just a notch on his bed post. | |
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| Do you think there should be laws against people who trick you into sexual encounters!
Posted: 1/6/2008 3:04:55 AM | I have a problem with anyone who agrees with this and here is why....
I was raped. So when you say that you or your friend or what have you is so horribly stupid that she was "tricked" into having sex and that the guy who "tricked" her (and from what i can tell this wouldn't have been hard to do giving the mental capacity of the people posting things trying to associate sex with buying a car) should be prosecuted for rape it *really* pisses me off. You know what being "tricked" into sex is? it's being drugged and forced against your will to have sex. When dumb twits get played it's just... funny.
Heres an idea... don't wanna get played? Wait for marriage! If you can't accept the consequences of having sex (which include that some guy might stop talking to you) then you are not mature enough for sex... period. | |
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Posted: 1/6/2008 5:36:02 AM | kyphosal & WELSHFUCHSIA:
1. what do you do for example when somebody is cheating on their partner?
let's say you have a boyfriend, and one day he cheats on you!
your HEART says he should be punished!
however, there isn't any law for that...
2. if you want commitment, that's called MARRIAGE! than he just cannot walk out of the door next morning - in that case he has to pay...
many people said it here, if you or your friend are afraid to be "tricked", than wait with sex until marriage. even marriage is not perfect guarantee, but provides you with the strongest protection by law.
all in all, the two of you were speaking from _YOUR HEARTS_ and not your brains!
full sympathy with you, but laws are just aren't based on hearts... 
WELSHFUCHSIA ...seems like most of the people didn't get what u were saying. I completely understand what u are talking about, my friend was just recently in that situation and she ended up being hurt. The guy was super nice, treated her great, said how he wants a serious relationship, he wanted to hang out all the time and called every single day. They actually dated 2 months before she slept with him and right after he slept with her he started ignoring her phone calls and ended up telling her he is not ready for a relationship and wants something casual. He knew she would have never even slept with him if he told her that he wants just sex. Yes in my opinion, the way my friend was feeling after all this SURE SEEMS SOMEWHAT LIKE A RAPE TO ME. I didn't even know what to do or how to help her, she was devastated. Now all of those people that said how OH no one can be forced into having sex blah blah CMON GIVE ME A BREAK IT'S LIKE BUYING A CAR, IT LOOKS BRAND NEW, YOU TRY TO START IT,.. THERE IS NO ENGINE INSIDE. He was faking it and misrepresenting himself. How could anyone know this???
SERIOUSLY >>>>>> There should be a law against this and those people should be prosecuted . This is same as those people that sleep with other people when they know they have aids, but they still sleep with other people hoping they will infect them cause they have aids and hate the whole world and want everyone else to have aids. | |
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Posted: 1/6/2008 5:44:50 AM | From post 360:
"...Heres an idea... don't wanna get played? Wait for marriage! If you can't accept the consequences of having sex (which include that some guy might stop talking to you) then you are not mature enough for sex... period...."
Well and wisely thought out opin, IMO.
Kudos!
That is why I previously posted that if some want - in extremis IMO - state/policy "intervention" in this matter, then a better solution than the one proposd by the OPost is to have the state test and license people who will be eligible to enter into rels and date and have sex, so that they are "mature/adult" enough to deal with the ups and downs of Eros and Love and dating et al.. If being of adult age is not sufficient in itself.
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From Post 361:
"Now all of those people that said how OH no one can be forced into having sex blah blah CMON GIVE ME A BREAK IT'S LIKE BUYING A CAR, IT LOOKS BRAND NEW, YOU TRY TO START IT"
That is exactly the kind of thinking that exposes the hidden and not so flattering agenda that many women and some men have re dating, sex and rels.
Of course it is NOT like buying a car or a house. That kind of thinking shows how little Eros and Love have to do with the process that some women who claim "foul" use.
As other posters have said, someone who dates a women for 2 months then sleeps with her and THEN "bails out" is not a player! Or even if he is, how can this be proved in a court of law? Do people who suggest laws have any idea of the intricacies and collateral effects of laws? The needs for EVIDENCE, in a democratic judicial process?
No, dating and eros and rels and sex are OF COURSE not "like" buying a car! They are NOT business or commercial transactions!! And they should not be. And those who turn them into one may actually be breaking existing laws in many countries, at least the spirit of the law (re receiving or asking or expecting to receive non sexual benefits, in money or in kind or any other form in return or out of sex per se, the only benefit one should expect out of sex is sex and the pleasure associated with it).
I am beginning to think: Is it players who are played that shout "player" when their play failed and the other player's did not or the other did not play along?
This Opost is turning into a major case study exercise in civics/public policy/law studies. Not all issues between people are regulated by laws or setlled in courts. That is a perversion of a civic system. If we assume that people are sheep, then one should advocate for totalitarian political systems that remove choice and decision making from the individual and turn into over to a junta or a Soviet!
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| Do you think there should be laws against people who trick you into sexual encounters!
Posted: 1/6/2008 6:06:29 AM |
For anybody concerned....do you think there should be laws against game players that trick you into sexual encounters and dress things up in deceit ...i personally have put up this subject on forums because i have many females net friends who more and more have been a victims of this sort of misleading un-savory behavior! and would like to hear peoples opinions on the subject????? do you truely think the act or practice of deceiving, concealment or deliberate distortion of truth for the purpose of someones sexual gain is duplicity that the law should protect??? and maybe should be seen as second class rape?? because lets face it tricking somebody into bed with lies and conning them with the promise of long lasting love and maybe more!! is kind of wrong! ,isnt casual sex meant to be a both party consented thing on both sides! shouldnt both parties make it clear to each other that it is just......(SEX) and nothing more... to spare ones inner dignity!! tricking sex out of people is so doggish in my opinion and very low life! whats your views?????????
Oh Lord, did I really just read this? I did not read all 15 pages because I don't feel like sitting here all day long. I think that post is ridiculous. Utterly. Nobody likes to feel like someone got the best of them and took off for bigger and better. But anyone who seriously thinks playing rude dating games is a prosecutable offense should also be thrown in idiot prison. I don't know any state's budget that could handle that....and we'd have no one left in general society. | |
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Posted: 1/6/2008 6:17:05 AM | I can assure you there was alot more to the story than what the friend was telling .
Hey how about she did something in the bedroom that was to kinky for him to handle
or maybe she really sucked in the boodwah ( or didn't pun intended ) and he didn't have any other way to say it without a bigger soul distroying event .
Mop , no trickery involved just a piece of the relationship puzzle didn't fit . The tragedy would have been to continue on with it and pretend .
And thats my opinion sports fans whats yours ?
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Posted: 1/6/2008 6:20:10 AM | re post 364:
In line with this thinking. I think that maybe all this shows a major problem is in US Society: A huge deficit in the education system (grades 1-12) and the kind of citizens it breeds in terms of real education, common sense, ability to think and make decisions, ability to acquire knowledge and above all, live an "adult" life with all its intricacies. I have met some women (and some men) from the former Soviet Union who thought the system was good (because it took away their need to think for themselves and live lives where they had to make choices and establish their own priorities, etc etc). I would even venture to say, that in certain matters, America has taken a turn towards Communism in recent years by taking more and more rights and obligations away from the individual and over-regularing inter-human relations in many areas, areas that even Socialists in Europe would not dream of proposing to regulate. How tragic! America is on its way to "going USSR", now that USSR is gone? Where in the "new America" then (which country)?
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| Do you think there should be laws against people who trick you into sexual encounters!
Posted: 1/6/2008 8:55:05 AM |
WELSHFUCHSIA ...seems like most of the people didn't get what u were saying.
most of the ppl didnt agree. which is diferent!
i bet its a real disapointment when girls feel played....but i think this only happens mostly to the girls who have a screwed up set of values they want to find in a guy!
This is same as those people that sleep with other people when they know they have aids, but they still sleep with other people hoping they will infect them cause they have aids and hate the whole world and want everyone else to have aids.
yes its exacly the same!! lol i can see why youre one of those who would agree with the conspiracy!! lol | |
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Posted: 1/6/2008 9:23:05 AM | No I don't. I do think there should be laws against stupid though. Seriously! No one can 'con' you into having sex - unless you want it to begin with. (I said ''con'' - not rape. There is a HUGE difference). It's like that old (OLD) expression: "You can't seduce a person who doesn't want to be seduced."
What about some of US women (Some of us) who spend nights in bars having men buy drinks because they've been conned (ie given the illusion they're getting some) and then at the end of the night, they're more broke and going home alone. Should these men be able to sue those women for the cost of all those drinks that were obtained under false pretenses?? (I do .. 'those' women do a lot for making the rest of us look bad.)
As for the scenario that OP has put out - ie a man spending months of conning just for one night of the "jiggy jiggy push push dance of life"? LMFAO!! I figure if a man is with me for "months" as the OP suggested and then after (finally) getting me in bed (months?) lol .. then suddenly after he comes he goes??!! I can't imagine that actually happening, but IF it did - I would think he's run away for reasons other than he got what he wanted! Geez
As for the courts wasting their time on 'jilted lovers' - that's what Jerry Springer is for.
In the "Real" world a guy might say what he thinks 'you' need to hear to get a piece of tail, but Most who are only after sex wouldnt' waste 'that much' time on it.
People DO fall in and out of love. So what is Judge Judy going to legislate feelings? I think if they're leaving you after spending months of wooing you.. maybe there is something about the way yer doin it! lol
Please don't waste the courts time with foolishness. It's hard enough for Real victims to get their day in court. | |
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Posted: 1/6/2008 9:34:24 AM | No one can trick you into having sex.Come one now.You freely chose to have sex with this man.This just sounds to me like a relationship you started with someone that simply did not work out. Next time keep your legs closed a little longer.
They actually dated 2 months before she slept with him and right after he slept with her he started ignoring her phone calls and ended up telling her he is not ready for a relationship and wants something casual. He knew she would have never even slept with him if he told her that he wants just sex. Yes in my opinion, the way my friend was feeling after all this SURE SEEMS SOMEWHAT LIKE A RAPE TO ME.
That seems like rape to you?Have you gone nuts?Rape is sex that is forced on you against you will.Your friends CHOSE to have sex with this man.She made a bad DECISION.Choosing to have sex is not rape .Maybe you need to actually go out and speak to women who truly have been raped and then you will see what rape really is. | |
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Posted: 1/6/2008 9:39:55 AM | ...actually, the OP's friend should be happy!
the positive side is she does not have a relationship with a man that is truly not compatible with her!
it's far from being the "worst victim"....there are many abusive guys that would have beaten the girl even - if sex was not good, than they would blame it on her as "her fault"....
complaining here about broken heart and new laws needed is a little bit overreacting... | |
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Posted: 1/6/2008 12:10:24 PM | Your point of view is that guys have the advantage. Here is another. I had a 16 year old boy in my class that was sweating bullets because his girlfriend told him she was pregnant and they needed to eithter get married or have an abortion which he needed to come up with the cash. Everyone told him to give it time. I asked him if she had gone to the doctor and been diagnosed as pregnant. Well, with in 2 weeks it had blown over. She was not pregnant and they didnt get married.
The bottom line is that there are many people of both genders who are manipulative and before you become intimate, you need to get to know the individual well. | |
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