| Do you think there should be laws against people who trick you into sexual encounters!
Posted: 3/28/2008 9:53:31 AM | | Oh my word, are you that new to this planet. Second class rape???????? If you have been mislead as a woman on the internet and then meet with some one of line I would like to think you would know what was going on in person. Your suggestion borders on the obsurd, any woman could claim trickery or deceit and ruin some persons life. I'm sorry if your not bright enough to see a difference between Rape and stupidity. Queestion for you? What then can the law do to protect males from woman that choose to trick a man or mislead a man into getting pregnant. This is some thing that is documented, their have been television shows with the same topic as well as more than one or two women admit to this. Give your head a shake, this is the most obsurb question most of us have ever heard. | |
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| Do you think there should be laws against people who trick you into sexual encounters!
Posted: 3/28/2008 10:32:53 AM | Wow, that was an interesting opening question. Ridiculous, but interesting. I believe that as a species (male & female) we've been duping each other in one way shape or form since the beginning of time. It's life and it's regretably human nature. In this day and age to assume or imply that men exclusively say whatever and do whatever to get into bed with a woman is Nieve at best. I know from personal experience that women have lied, skewed or warped the truth in order to get closer to me. That isn't an ego statement and it hasn't happened alot, but once or twice it has. Take the age old deception exclusively and solely by women. This instance has and was the case with my friend and ex business partner. He and his girl married early due to pregnancy, stayed together for years trying to make love work and last. In the end after two kids they decided that love wasn't there and they would seperate. Shortly before he moved out she went out for a "girls nite out" and he stayed home with the kids. She came home a little tipsy and feeling happy. He was asleep on the couch and she woke him up in a rather pleasant oral manner.... I'll leave it at that. So still being married he and she engaged in a perfectly normal encounter. She was on the pill, since they had discussed having no more children, no worries...... Except she wasn't on the pill and hadn't been since they started having rough times. She openly admits that she thought that if she was pregnant he would stay and they might work it out...... age old.... heard it a million times..... where is the law protecting the man in this case..... it's not his choice. It's a deception, plan and simple.
I only share that example because it's one of many that don't have laws governing or penalizing. So why o why would we waste our courts time and debating if someone got conned into getting naked and having sex? Males aren't evil and neither are Females, we are after all just human. | |
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| Do you think there should be laws against people who trick you into sexual encounters!
Posted: 4/6/2008 5:22:31 PM | | I know exactly what ur saying. I thought I was going to hear from him again, in fact, he never led me to believe "that" was it. I thought we were going to be together, I thought he was "it" for me and vice versa.....according to him. As the days and weeks went by, I still held on to hope and waited anxiously for his call, and it just never came. My pride wouldn't let me contact him so I deleted his #. (why would I want to call him, after all he did say HE was going to call me, email.....) I felt like I left my soul w/him. I had never been one to be so carefree about falling in love w/anyone and the first time that I knew I had fallen in love, I get this. I felt so cheap, so used and most especially deceived. I went through the embarassed and then angry stages. I don't hate him for it, I just wish he could have been as honest as I was w/him. Call me stupid, but I think that if he was to call me right now w/a B.S. excuse, I would still want to believe him and want to be with him. I guess that's just love. | |
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| Do you think there should be laws against people who trick you into sexual encounters!
Posted: 4/6/2008 6:57:45 PM | If someone is foolish enough to fall for "promises of long lasting love" from someone they hardly know, they are dumber than dirt. Someone who can be "tricked" into bed must have the brain capacity of a kumquat.
No one has ever "tricked" me into doing anything. Anything I've ever done, I was a willing participant, and I made the decision to do it or NOT to, based on what I KNEW, not on what I HOPED for or was PROMISED.
IMO there should be laws against being dumber than dirt. | |
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| Do you think there should be laws against people who trick you into sexual encounters!
Posted: 4/6/2008 10:09:53 PM | | Wow that's pretty harsh words, beachybunnie. I think the word you're looking for is naive. Not dumber than dirt. There are some pretty good con artists out there. Pretending to care when they don't. How can you see that coming? The only way to totally protect yourself from predators like that is to never trust anyone. Simple as that. Trusting someone is dumb. Right beachy? You can totally have your eyes open wide and get deceived. Alot of people have. | |
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| Do you think there should be laws against people who trick you into sexual encounters!
Posted: 4/6/2008 10:31:49 PM |
This is where I really do have to take the other side because oops my clothes fell off and my legs accidentally spread has got to the most pathetic and stupid thing I've ever heard!
Venus I don't think these are the scenarios the OP is talking about. While obviously you cannot legaly prosecute someone for having less than honorable intentions, the behavior that he is commenting on is appalling. There is a clear cut difference between a woman being drunk or in a moment of self loathing and allowing herself to be taken advantage of and a woman who is under the impression that she is in a committed and caring relationship being fooled. This being said, it is not only men who stoop to trickery in relationships. Unfortunately, the dating game is just that...a game. So many people who seem to have another person's interests in mind are really just out for their own gratification. I'm learning not to take this personally. The bottom line is that you have to be choosey about who you give yourself to whether it be emotionally, physically, or both. If you don't (and sometimes even when you do) you WILL get hurt.
OP, I'm sorry that so many of your friends have experienced this, but we all have been wronged in many a relationship romantic or otherwise. The best thing you can do is be a positive influence and a good listener for the ladies in your life that are being taken advantage of. Afterall, we become more susceptible to these kinds of ploys when we are vulnerable from the last heartache. Help her remember how wonderful she is and how much more she deserves from a life partner :) | |
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| Do you think there should be laws against people who trick you into sexual encounters!
Posted: 4/6/2008 10:52:20 PM | No, I don't think there should be a law. I do think that sneaky manipulation for sex is despicable and very lowlife and am disgusted by how many people do it and make lame excuses for themselves afterward.
Like, if I convinced a metalhead to come to a great metal show, then took them to a country&western-fest instead. Then abusing them for complaining they were duped. Don't think the law would apply there either. But a well placed punch on the nose would | |
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| Do you think there should be laws against people who trick you into sexual encounters!
Posted: 4/6/2008 11:09:01 PM | | wow, OP you mean that people actually lie for self-gratification? lol...seriously, some people are going to be honest, some aren't. if you have sex with someone you don't know well, assume that it may just be a fling...if it's more, well then hey, bonus for you. if you expect serious commitment to automatically result from sex then you're deluding yourself...it doesn't always work that way. if there were a law against it...3/4 of the members on this site would be charged. lol | |
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| Do you think there should be laws against people who trick you into sexual encounters!
Posted: 4/7/2008 4:42:19 AM | I don't think it's harsh. My key words were "with someone you hardly know." If the OP thinks the "deceiver" should be up front about the fact that it's only casual sex, then I have to assume that it's someone you don't know that well.
There's really not much reason for a guy to spend months and months lying and conniving, trying to get into any one particular female's pants these days, when there's always another who is ready and willing, right around the corner. Why should he go to all that trouble for one particular one, unless he really does care about her?
People who believe promises of undying love and "forever" from someone they hardly know are dumb. You can use the more flowery "naive" if you want to, but unless we are talking about a teenager? It's just dumb. | |
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| Do you think there should be laws against people who trick you into sexual encounters!
Posted: 4/7/2008 5:24:40 PM |
There's really not much reason for a guy to spend months and months lying and conniving, trying to get into any one particular female's pants these days, when there's always another who is ready and willing, right around the corner. Why should he go to all that trouble for one particular one, unless he really does care about her?
There is a very good reason a real player will spend all that time. For them, sex is only a way of keeping score, it isn't the ultimate goal. They want a man or woman to fall in love with them. In their sick way of thinking, it validates their self-worth.
Then there are the romance addicts (yep, there is really such a thing). As long as the glow of romance surrounds them, they will stay. The minute little things such as how to pay the bills and who lives where come up, they are off and running to the next romantic fantasy. The problem is their partners don't know about the fantasy going on in their heads.
I call it the emotional rape syndrome. It doesn't just apply to women. You see the victims and aftermath everyday in forums such as this one, chat rooms, and blogs. More and more women and men are taking steps to document what they are told. Emails, receipts, pictures, and recorded messages can be used as proof in civil courts. There may not be a specific law against it, but attorneys and victims are jumping on the bandwagon.
This is kind of an interesting read.
http://forums.plentyoffish.com/datingPosts1885098.aspx
I don't know the status of the case, but even if the women lost, IMO, you will see more and more of this kind of thing. | |
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| Do you think there should be laws against people who trick you into sexual encounters!
Posted: 4/7/2008 9:01:39 PM | Pazoozoo I would normally try not to be judgmental, but falling for a line : "We were married in a past life."
Now I won't make a wager on the outcome of the case, but if the women win with that argument. It would entrench the validity in my mind of the old adage: I could never trust a legal system where my fate was decided by 12 people to stupid to get out of jury duty." | |
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| Do you think there should be laws against people who trick you into sexual encounters!
Posted: 4/7/2008 9:19:23 PM | Actually, I think if you do a search you are going to find that in the US some women already did prosecute a guy for conning them into having sex with him. I don't know what the outcome was; but I remember reading about it. They argued that consent gained through deceit is not legal consent. Technically I think they are right. But whether the judge saw it that way or not I don't know. Still, you never know, maybe one day there will be some area of law that addresses that exact topic.
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| Do you think there should be laws against people who trick you into sexual encounters!
Posted: 4/8/2008 4:12:24 AM | Just because something is shitty behavior, doesn't mean it should be illegal. See: being rude, farting in public, and popping your chewing gum.
And the people (the surprisingly LARGE amount of people) in this thread who think it should be illegal to hurt another person's feelings? You people scare the shit out of me. I really hope none of you guys vote or we are all completely screwed. | |
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| Do you think there should be laws against people who trick you into sexual encounters!
Posted: 4/8/2008 7:40:46 AM | How does somebody "deceive" another into having sex ?
I suppose it's possible but I don't know how stupid somebody would have to be to fall for it. That's like saying Sara Lee 'deceived' you into eating one her cakes with that chocolatey goodness you just can't resist. What does one say ? "I'm going to uh...the moon tomorrow and as you might be aware, there aren't many women there. Um...I won't be coming back. Ever. Please undress now."
WTF ?
I suppose you could deceive a retarded person into having sex..."Yes, that's right. The cure is right here in my pants if you'll just take a look...". Are you retarded OP ? That's about the only thing that would explain how you could be deceived into having sex. | |
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Posted: 4/8/2008 7:51:42 AM | OH MY GOSH OP, did the "player" trip themselves into you?????? How about this, we are all adults and we make (what's that elusive word that speaks of personal responsibility????) CHOICES!!!!! So accept responsibility, and understand that this site is for folks over the age of 18 (emotionally). Good luck in your journey... | |
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| Do you think there should be laws against people who trick you into sexual encounters!
Posted: 4/8/2008 9:24:26 AM | Women do it to men just as well , I see you mention only what men have done to women, don't be a man hater, people deceive in many ways to get what they want out of a relationship, maybe a woman /man leads a man/woman to believe he/she is extremely attractive to her/him because she/he is looking for someone to support her/him , or perhaps a guy/girl tells a woman/man he loves her/him because he/she doesn't want to be single .
There are already too many laws controlling people lives when it should be a judgement call ,(helmet laws , seat belt laws ,) If you want the government to think for you go to the middle east or China or something , but if you want to stay here you have to take responsibility for your actions ,don't expect the government to punish a man for dumping you after you put out to easily or to quickly , you always have a choice . if your too eager then you will get hurt, and maybe it wasn't after he got what he wanted he left, maybe after they had sex the woman made more out of it then it ever was or perhaps they weren't sexually compatible who knows sometimes things are more then what they seem . use your head for something other then a hat rack people get tricked every day the courts aren't designed for lapses in judgement. freedom is freedom of choice and thought as well ,
In short pay attention and you will know if the guy is gonna do ya and dump ya | |
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