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| Do you think there should be laws against people who trick you into sexual encounters!
Posted: 4/10/2008 10:45:39 AM | looking for reality made some valid points, one in particular
"This is a very irresponsible suggestion to think that the government should regulate our love/sex lives hell they cant even regulate the oil prices. "
Think about that one for awhile. And remember, you cant force people to have common sense and you certainly can't legislate it.
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| Do you think there should be laws against people who trick you into sexual encounters!
Posted: 4/10/2008 11:10:45 AM | | You can't legislate morals, honesty or integrity. Their behaviour could be a result of sociopathic tendencies ie. no conscience, bad parenting ie. father was a user and a loser and mental abuser and taught his son to be the same, or any other of a multitude of other selfish and/or cruel reasons. Putting the blame on the victim of deception is also normal for some people as you see quite a bit of in this thread as many choose to justify bad behaviour rather than accepting consequence or feeling remorse. All one can do is forgive and move on and have faith that kharma will do its job in due time. | |
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| Do you think there should be laws against people who trick you into sexual encounters!
Posted: 4/11/2008 8:41:50 AM | I think there should be strong laws against it. Lash the fornicators and adulterers 40 times each, publicly, in fact why not keep the sexes totally seperate to prevent exactly this kind of behavior? And don't forget to break off the lashing if it's time for prayer. Oh wait a minute, welcome to Saudi Arabia!!  Sorry, j/k there, but, if you get had you get had. Unless you're raped , there's no reason for there to be any sort of "law" against a guy being a cad and lying to you or any other woman just to get some. The women who fall for this should perhaps reconsider whether they are making it too easy for such men to always "trick" them into bed. For example, following perhaps multiple orgasms, standing in the shower, she hits herself in the head and says, Dammit, tricked again!! | |
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| Do you think there should be laws against people who trick you into sexual encounters!
Posted: 4/11/2008 8:41:59 AM | | I do believe you can sue someone for "intentional infliction of emotional harm." I'm not really sure what that would pertain to, but just something I recalled. The OP has taken a lot of insults, but has actually brought up quite an interesting subject. Can you sue someone for intentionally causing you emotional harm for their own personal gain? And what are the parameters of that? How would you prove it and how would you quantify the pain caused? Our court systems are set up to prosecute for tangible evidence of harm, such as broken bones and bruises, money stolen, etc., but not for emotional suffering. This is true even in the case of child abuse. Children who are emotionally abused, with no physical signs, fly under the radar screen of the legal system. So many people are quick to jump up and call the OP a moron, but in actuality, I think there are many people here--men and women--who would sue for emotional damages if they thought they could win. They would probably also love to vandalize the property of the perpetrator if they thought they could get away with it legally. Maybe instead of making it illegal for a guy to play a woman, it should be legal for a woman who has been played to "borrow" the keys to the guy's jaguar and drive the jaguar into his boat. However, it's only fair to have this work both ways, in the case of a woman who tricks a guy into marriage by lying about birth control and deliberately getting pregnant. I'm not advocating either way--just giving y'all something to think about. | |
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| Do you think there should be laws against people who trick you into sexual encounters!
Posted: 4/11/2008 9:06:52 AM | > basically what your saying is it should be illegal for a man to be a player.
Which would destroy what little is left of the dating world!
But I'm all for it if it means women couldn't dress like hookers, wear fake-up, heels, and dangly earrings, dye their hair, bat their eyelashes, lie about their age/weight, say they "like and want sex just as much as a man", etc., etc.
IOW, female players have to go, too, if we're going to be entirely fair.
"In courtship, as in the world of advertising, there is a discrepancy of interests between the buyer and the seller. The female needs to know the truth about the male: his health, wealth, and genes. The male wants to exaggerate the information... The very word seduction implies trickery and manipulation."
- Matt Ridley
I think it would be difficult to deny that women do require men to seduce them, even if you call it "sweeping her off her feet" or something else. It's a test of his skills and how much he is "into" her, whether he is good enough for her.
Anyway, great thread.
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| Do you think there should be laws against people who trick you into sexual encounters!
Posted: 4/11/2008 9:54:00 PM | Even if you tried to do something about it, he would say it was your idea and you wouldn't be able to prove anything. All we can do is to make him wait until you are sure he isn't playing games... but the sad part of it is.. guys have played the same games through history and it is only going to get worse the smarter they get at their games. We will be looking for the rest of our life for a guy who isn't the same way.
We have to keep our eyes and ears open and be sure they are genuine before you trust what they say. Actions speak much louder than words, so it won't take long to figure it out. | |
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| If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.(Rush - Freewill)
Posted: 4/12/2008 2:39:37 AM | I am a has been player, but never waited very long, lol. Today I watch these operators that lurk aroud the **** until they scare the woman into chasing everyone else away or scare everyone else and create drama to keep their investment in time protected, and even may try to steal a good woman from a bad man, but it seems that some women want to be tricked instead of treated (properly).
How do women expect men to respect someone that allowed themselves to be tricked into sex, especially because that type of guy has delusions of self esteem, and want to bring the women down to their actual level of it (or is that the other way around, lol).
Of course the women who think they are all that and a bag of chips usually don't live up to a guy's expectations when the sex finally starts, too little (or too much or just enough), but always too late. I am a gemini so I try to see both sides of the argument, which may confuse one-track-minded extremists in any suubject.
Instead of waiting for a player to approach and wait for you, take the lead and aproach someone you wouldn't mind getting 'tricked' by and maybe it will end up diferently or at least you would have gotten your fantasy fulfilled somewhat, and soooner so you can move on to the next fish.
I like a woman who knows herself and is confident enough in what she can provide for a man that she feels passion for, both sensually and in other respects (doesn't embarass him, etc. individual preferences). I would at least be able to be honest enough to tell her how long I think it will last and what I expect so she can decide. It's a flirt for a woman to do it and even to be explicit, but for a man to do the same thing is unacceptable in today's paranoid and man-judgmental society.
The guys are suposed to get over it when a woman does the same thing to them (even refusing an h.i.v. test or last test result so they can assure the next woman that they (the man) is safe to 'be with', thus leaving the man hanging just like the male 'players' leave the women hanging and apparently mad enough to want to have a law passed.
I think we should name this proposed legislation by its old name 'seduction' and similarly situated laws designed to protect a woman's 'chastity and honor'. I think there was an organization that took that over after the USA dropped them, now calling themselves 'The Taliban'. Oh, it's o.k. for the woman to change/train the man to be what she wasnts but not the other way around ??? (LOL)
Real Love is patient and kind and enduring. Passion is with the eyes in most men and slow (generally) to come forth from a woman. Sometimes people like arm candy and the thought of being in love. Some men will put up with or turn a blind eye to a lot of distasteful personality traits in a woman just to have a woman (or sex). Some women will in turn turn a blind eye to some of the disgusting habits of a man because that man was willing to wait for sex until after marriage, etc. I see lonely passion in married or girls who are in a committed relationship with eye's wherever I go.
Thus, it's the woman's choice, why let the players even talk to you when you have other fish to be with ??? | |
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| Do you think there should be laws against people who trick you into sexual encounters!
Posted: 4/12/2008 12:04:13 PM | Absolutley, and people can completely be convicted of it by laws withstanding, depending on which state you live in. (There are several concerns with STD'S/Married Stability/and keeping up the community issues involved.)
You can go to jail for mentally damaging a person mentally if malicious intent is involved.
Ask any woman who got alimony.
Most married/coupled men use the net as a shield to hide for their real lives/wives.
So when you come up with an elaborate subterfugic plot that involves upseting the structure of ones life, to gain an amenity that you in no way were entitled to....ya, that is emotional damage. And if ya know what you are doing they can pay. ESPECIALLY if they were married...
But here is a tip.
STOP SCRWING PEOPLE ONLINE. | |
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| Do you think there should be laws against people who trick you into sexual encounters!
Posted: 4/13/2008 2:08:33 AM | Venus,
Are you a little thick? Do you not get what she's saying??? Some people out and lie and deceive others for sex, money, etc.. Period. What don't you get about that?? Your reply indicates you have a hard time with that reality and you are trying to convince yourself you would somehow know if you were being deceived. You're basically feeding right into what the people who deceive do - and all because you want to somehow think you're immune to it. Unless you're a mind reader, you're not immune. It's the old, "...but I'm not like that mentality." It's dishonest and you're blaming the victim. You shouldn't be condoning these people. You need to get enough backbone and self-respect to stand up to these types of con artists rather than condoning them in a misguided attempt to think you're somehow above and immune to these shenanigans. | |
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| Do you think there should be laws against people who trick you into sexual encounters!
Posted: 4/13/2008 2:16:29 AM | "How do women expect men to respect someone that allowed themselves to be tricked into sex, ..."
Same comment to you, fritz, as was to venus. In addition, who "allows" themselves to be tricked??? That's ridiculous. Some people people are simply con artists who prey on honest, non-suspecting people. Most honest, decent people don't expect to be tricked. It's usually only retrospectively that honest people realize they've been duped.
I cannot believe the mentality on this thread. | |
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| Do you think there should be laws against people who trick you into sexual encounters!
Posted: 4/13/2008 3:39:10 AM | I'm sorry but if you meet someone on here and jump into bed with them the first night believing their protestations and declarations of undying love then you shouldnt really be out dating at all but possibly getting treatment in "reality" somewhere.
Sleeping with someone on the first date isnt wrong if you both know thats what youre there for, personally its not my thing but each to his own. However i make it clear before i meet someone for a date that it isnt an option for me.... and everyone ive met so far has been a perfect gentleman. Perhaps your friend should make it clear its not an option and keep her knickers on if shes looking for something longer than one night? :)
Treat yourself with respect and others will too...
Tigerlily:
Only you can protect you, be carefull of a wolf in sheeps clothing, because wolves dont announce it well said lol x
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| Do you think there should be laws against people who trick you into sexual encounters!
Posted: 4/13/2008 3:41:31 AM | Their are Moral laws against it, and you obey the Moral laws you wont get tricked into having a sexual encounter ever.........
Put him through the hoops honey, if he is a stayer he will stay, if he is after sex he will move right along because its too much hard work to get what he wants......
Women have forgotten and are simply not taught morals to protect them form being used for a sexual encounter when they dont want to be.
Practice morals if you dont want to be used, if you eant casual sex go for it.
But if you truly want to be respected and cant tell if the guy is serious it syour own fault, guys who respect you know what other guys are like and will respect you even more and know they will be trust you because you dont get fooled easily and wont fall victim to other males while your with them.......
How many guys complain about the best friend taking their girlfriend or using their girlfriend.......
Use Morals, only fools keep getting fooled, Some guy starget nice girls just to prove they aren't so nice its a common thing and lots of guys have this mentality, and lots dont so one way to tell is to put it to the test
Women are so easy to put out to get a man and men take advantage of it why not , women use sex to get them and men use women to get sex......
I have waited twelve months before, and unfortuantley that is how it goes.......
If I want a casual partner then obviously its just a matter of taking time to work out if it is a safe sex situation, medical certificates, etc etc etc........
You could end up with herpes or somehting else these guys are not going to tell you and wont care if they are spreading it around and I imagine it will eventually be against the law to spread an STD if you are aware you have it and hell even if you dont you have it you should be charged because you have been negligent
At the end of the day dont take stupid risks a decent man will wait and understand if he wants long term , if a man wants casual he will get a certificate as you should......
Its the way it is, their are different requirements for a casual sex partner than for a long term partner and any mature perosn will tell you this.........
I dont why mothers and fathers dont teach their daughters this, I really dont
all is fair in love and war, I didnt right that but it is the way it is
Only you can protect you, be carefull of a wolf in sheeps clothing, because wolves dont announce it
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| Do you think there should be laws against people who trick you into sexual encounters!
Posted: 4/13/2008 4:04:25 AM |
How in the world do you get "tricked" into that?? Imagine if word gets out!! I think it might be more useful to have laws against stupidity.
Thats it right there ,I was thinking the same thing!! Only an emotionally unstable woman could be tricked into sex and then cry about it.The rest of us just does it because we like it :) | |
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| Do you think there should be laws against people who trick you into sexual encounters!
Posted: 4/13/2008 7:07:59 AM | After reading the majority of replys to this session, im reminded of when Clinton was involved in the Lewinsky "affair".
I work for a German based company and interact quite a bit with European folks and remember the conversations... the jist was how ridicules Americans were/are when it comes to sexuality. And the most popular statement was is "you Americans... grow up is this so news worthy".
Now I dont agree with being married and cheating on ones spouse, but it sure says alot about the sexual tension and mindset of this country.
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| Do you think there should be laws against people who trick you into sexual encounters!
Posted: 4/13/2008 3:25:40 PM | If women put a hard one year rule in to effect....the idjuts would go elsewhere for their encounter. These are adults....right? The problem is, a lot of women are like men who can't stop dipping their pens in the inkwells, they can't keep their legs shut. They equate sex with love...and it takes two to have sex. Otherwise it's just self-gratification...right....
So any woman who gets tricked into having sex, has it coming. If they are naive enough to let some dog trick them, they never learned from others or their own past mistakes. What year is this? 2008 right? With all the information available on the internet and all the horror stories of men tricking women, drugging them etc...there is NO excuse....for a women being tricked into anything. Men have learned to manipulate women's emotions and feelings...if you fall for it...nobody to blame but yourself.
Turn the tables....stop spreading for every sweet talker....make them PROVE their love. If they LOVE you, they'll wait for marriage to dip their pens...it's f**king as simple as that.
We have enough unenforceable laws now...what would we do with another...?? And how would an innocent man defend himself? Her word against his. Why this thread wasn't deleted on day one is beyond me... | |
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| Do you think there should be laws against people who trick you into sexual encounters!
Posted: 4/13/2008 3:47:43 PM | The song, "Illegal"....has a verse that goes: "it should be illegal to deceive a woman's heart"....I wish that we could all live by this (men AND women)....but caring about anyone is a chance, I guess...and one many of us have taken again and again.
In the dating world, there is always that chance that this can happen and that we might have our hearts broken. But, you know, I would rather be like the lion in the Wizard of Oz and know that I have a heart because, yes, it has been broken before. And although it might not always heal completely each time, it make me more self-aware of what a true caring person I am. I admire that trait within myself. And...I still have alot of heart to offer the right person should I meet him in the future. | |
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| Do you think there should be laws against people who trick you into sexual encounters!
Posted: 4/13/2008 3:58:18 PM | I will just say that while men are the main sex for tricking women into having sex (and I have known women come after me for just sex whilst using the term 'relationship', or they'll say something like 'do you want to make love up against that tree out there' (honestly, a work colleague asked me that an I turned her down with the words 'I wouldn't call sha**ing against a tree in public 'making love'' - the equivalent thing that men have to be wary of is being tricked into having a baby by a woman who has no intention of staying with him.
At least 4 times I've had young women approach me and within the first few sentences comes the comment 'I bet you could be persuaded to have a baby' or 'have you considered settling and having a baby' or something similar.
I did once get caught out by this and made the mistake of insisting we get married and went on to have 3 more but noticed she liked me when a baby was on the way but disliked me at all other times. On the day I decided to test the theory out by saying 'no more babies' I got the response 'no more relationship please start seeing other women'. End of marriage.
She's now with a nice guy who takes her on holidays and she doesn't want babies with him. I don't know whether I should be proud I'm the guy she wanted babies with or if I should stick a neon 'plonker' sign on my head. Where's that 'plonker' sign?
I think we've all go to learn the signs folks and listen to them when they start blinking at us. We're usually participating in these 'abusive processes' ourselves dont'cha know. | |
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