|
|
|
|
|
| Do you think there should be laws against people who trick you into sexual encounters!
Posted: 5/17/2009 7:48:52 PM | This would lead to the creation of the thought police. Is that really what we want?
It seems similiar to when my brother and I were in the car. He would yell out - "He's touching me!" I would be required to keep my hands in my lap. Next he would yell, "He's looking at me!" I would be required to look forward. Next, he would yell "He's thinking about me!"
Intention is not a discernable event. It takes two to bed tango. | |
|
| |
| Do you think there should be laws against people who trick you into sexual encounters!
Posted: 5/18/2009 10:18:18 AM | This would lead to the creation of the thought police. Is that really what we want?
It seems similiar to when my brother and I were in the car. He would yell out - "He's touching me!" I would be required to keep my hands in my lap. Next he would yell, "He's looking at me!" I would be required to look forward. Next, he would yell "He's thinking about me!"
Intention is not a discernable event. It takes two to bed tango.
Brilliant post.
And I'll add to that, that people reserve the right to change their minds at anytime.
Welcome to reality... | |
|
| Do you think there should be laws against people who trick you into sexual encounters!
Posted: 5/18/2009 10:37:09 AM | How in the world has this thread gone on as long as it has?
Major difference between rape and getting your feelings hurt. Thats all this is. Someone got their feelings hurt. They were intimate too soon, with someone they really didnt know, slept with him, now they feel cheapened. Dont put this in the same category as rape, that is degrading to all the women who really have been raped. | |
|
| |
| Do you think there should be laws against people who trick you into sexual encounters!
Posted: 5/18/2009 4:56:23 PM | Well your statement at least commnicates how stupid you feel and think someone's lying about emotional involvement regarding sex is. Legislating it well... rape is illegal and it's still hella difficult to get a prosecution! Deceit probable not.
It does suck though...I had a guy do that shit once! The type of sex I had was different then even the type I had sorta wanted figuring it was a more casual thing and I was emotionally set for that... Then he said these things to as if it was more and I fell for it .... ***hole... I couldn't undo it afterwards. God mean what you say and say what you mean. It is wrong. | |
|
| Do you think there should be laws against people who trick you into sexual encounters!
Posted: 5/18/2009 5:51:38 PM | Noctrnal Princess said "A couple of years ago, they nurses into speak to us about rape, not long after the Kobe Bryant incident. I did not earn a lot of points with the nurses nor my peers (that have daughters) when I spoke about personal accountabilty.
If "I was so drunk I didn't know what I was doing" is a valid rape defense, then it should also be valid for a person arrested for drunk driving, Buyer's remorse or placing yourself in an incapacitated position:"
The key operative word you have used is "doing" ... "didn't know what she was doing" obviously that's not what is covered in the law. If one is doing they are not being raped. This law regards someone who does something to someone who is either incapacitated or passed out. The personal accountability belongs to the one who says this person is so drunk they can't walk or talk I would never do something to them they couldn't consent to. | |
|
| Do you think there should be laws against people who trick you into sexual encounters!
Posted: 5/18/2009 6:39:59 PM | Well to an extent I see both sides to the arguement. Misleading someone and playing with their emotions like that is wrong any way you paint it. But how on earth could you prove what someone's intentions were from the beginning? The answer is you never could. Unfortunately our mothers can tell use not to touch the hot stove 100 times but it never really sticks until we actually do it. Some people are really good at reading other people and some people, no matter how much friend advise and education they have, simply aren't. Sorry for your friend, but I hope she makes the best of a bad situation, learns from it, and moves on.
If such a law were passed you would have to keep contracts at the bedside stating each of your intentions and have both parties sign off saying that they read and understand the contract. And then of course everything is open to legal enterpretation. If we did this the only people who would ever become aroused about sex is lawyers (I apologise to all the good lawyers out there, both of you :) ). | |
|
| Do you think there should be laws against people who trick you into sexual encounters!
Posted: 5/18/2009 10:56:03 PM | Lesliejoanna,
Thank you for validating what I have been trying to say!
If a person is comatose, then one has to be a really sick individual to do the deed.
On the other hand, while helping to handle a bar fight one woman fell three times and an unrelated woman fell across the street because of sheer intoxication that was self-inflicted.
Most people that become victims of crimes are usually the victims of their own bad choices.
I have been the "victim" of several sexual offenses, but I was never "tricked."
The first time was by a family doctor, when I went on the sly for birth control at sixteen, so I could have sex with my first love and not get pregnant. He molested me in the exam room. I never reported it because then my parents would know.
There have been in my past three other instances where I placed myself in many bad, naive situations (before cop), and the consequences were not so severe, but had I used better judgement they would not have occurred at all. I would not realy have wanted to go through the court system, and most people do not, because a defense attorney will annhilate the victim on the stand for a crime that primarily involved a bad choice on the part of the victim. I takepersonal blame and accept accountability for allowing those situations.
I am not unsympathetic to those feelings of hurt. However, nobody can be tricked into sex (except a John, because they are referred to as "Tricks") and they pay for it. Lesson hard-learned, Hard Knocks University. Require yourself to make good choices! | |
|
| Do you think there should be laws against people who trick you into sexual encounters!
Posted: 5/19/2009 12:27:16 AM | Chit I want the money back for the tires on my car, supposed to be 50,000 tires, they have 22,000 and coming apart. wal mart says f**K off.
Chick gets the guy Hot, gets laid, she just lays there, the guy says taint go good and leaves.. chick gets pissed, starts "singing he did me wrong song"
What about when I was 6 or 7 years old,, Older woman ( chick) gets me in the tree fort, tell s me to take my pants down , then starts playing little willy,, about the time willy, become woody she leaves..
Now was I molested ? women say NO...
Can I take her to court ???? will the judge make her finish the job ??    | |
|
| Do you think there should be laws against people who trick you into sexual encounters!
Posted: 5/19/2009 1:01:06 AM | Are you out of your vulcan mind!? After a 6-12 month relationship how could you prove that sex was the ONLY motivation for said relationship in first place. Getting past that the abuse of that law would be staggering! Have you read some of the posts in these forums? There a lot of bitter, angry folks out there. A law like that would be emotional blackmail,"Stay with me or else!"
The law isn't meant to protect us from our own stupidity. Yes we have rights,and with every right there is a corosponding RESPONSIBILITY. People need take responsibility for their own actions and choices. A law like that presumes that people aren't capable of being responsible. Do you really want to give the government that much power in your bed room? | |
|
| Do you think there should be laws against people who trick you into sexual encounters!
Posted: 5/19/2009 1:23:46 AM | | Some years ago there was a case in Western Australia where a bloke was imprisoned for allegedly not withdrawing quick enough when the woman changed her mind partway through consensual sex. He was dubbed the “Thirty Second Rapist” by the press and was eventually cleared after it was proven that the whole thing was conspiracy between the lady he was in bed with at the time and his ex. It took many years before he was cleared and it ruined him. | |
|
| law against rejection?
Posted: 5/19/2009 1:35:51 PM | It sounds like you want a law against rejection. Have you considered the possibility that he found out after sex that you are not what he wants? He has a right to reject you, just as you have a right to reject "tricksters & deceivers" or whatever. So you didn't hit it off permanently.
I think you should be very honest and non-deceiving on your profile about how uptight and litigious you are. Works both ways. If you don't warn men about this, then aren't you a deceiver too? | |
|
| Do you think there should be laws against people who trick you into sexual encounters!
Posted: 5/20/2009 9:14:03 PM |
poppabear no hunnie fortunately for me it hasnt happened to me! iam emotionally mature enough to know a faker when i see one! but i do know many women that have been victims of being tricked with sweet talk!
This is SUCH a dirty can of worms! lmao! Who wants the government and courts legislating our every sexual encounter??? How would you actually PROVE that the con-person's actual intent was to con??? Its unlike cons that involve monetary gain because in that scenario you cant just say "Oh, I took their money, but thought that we weren't compatible so I dumped them shortly after" Where as in a sexual relationship, the "con" can give ANY number of legitimate excuses to end a relationship after sex.
And can you imagine the blow back??? People carrying recording devices with them to each and every date, people afraid to be with anyone physically for fear that they will get a jail sentence. The government yet AGAIN legislating "sexual morality" and also the encouragement of the child/parent dynamic between a too powerful government and a population who seem to be only too eager to not take personal responsibility for their choices and thus lives.
Also there are cases where a person who has an STD has been convicted for "conning" someone into sleeping with them without telling them of their health status. I for one think that in this imperfect world, that that is as far as the courts can take this particular scenario. At the end of the day there is always the oh so unpopular and *GHASP! inducing concept of abstaining. Maybe those that are more innocent and trusting should consider this route, so as to protect themselves from the unethical and immoral cons.
On a more sympathetic note, the OP is obviously a very idealistic person. And I think the question we should be asking is, WHY is it necessary to "spot" the fakers? It does seem that the consequence of these actions only falls on the head of the conned. Ive never been "conned" (in this way) per say, but that is ONLY because I am a very vigilant person in general, and am very adept at spotting the losers....But I often wonder why there are so many people to be wary of??? It is, after all, incredibly disheartening, and endlessly exhausting to "always be on the lookout".
As to the movie analogy, that's not a fair comparison. Generally speaking, you aren't risking your life to see a movie, and with STDs we ARE risking our lives to have sex (condoms are NOT 100% protection) also the point the OP is making is that the conned don't generally KNOW they are conned until AFTER the creep sleeps with them and leaves them.
Im searching my brain, but for the life of me, cant find the "middle way" with this one. So I'll leave it to the rest of the posters to maybe find the wisdom of a solution. | |
|
| |
| |
| |
funko
|
Joined: 5/16/2009
Msg: 969 | |
| |
| Do you think there should be laws against people who trick you into sexual encounters!
Posted: 5/21/2009 4:50:16 AM | What if you never say NO, but the next morning you say, "OMG, what did I do? I need the morning after pill?" Or report a rape so you can get a free abortion from the government; believe me that happens a lot. If you are a prostitute, you are saying yes all of the time, up until the time that you didn't get paid, and that isn't rape; that is a business transaction.
nd if I walk into your bedroom dressed in nothing, climb into your bed with you, begin doing all kinds of things, and then say, "Oh my, I just changed my mind, I don 't really want to do this..." after the man just stuck it in, is that really rape?
I guess this means women have all of the power in this category.
I know! I am going to begin dating exclusively married men and then accepting payouts for keeping my mouth shut (no pun) about being raped! | |
|
funko
|
Joined: 5/16/2009
Msg: 971 | |
| Do you think there should be laws against people who trick you into sexual encounters!
Posted: 5/21/2009 7:22:28 AM | NocturnalPrincess ....well i dont know the exact details of the law on date rape
but com'n ...personally for me a smart women has no business getting herself into that position ...there is nothing worse than a drunk ! ...say no to alcohol !  ...
have a couple of glass's of wine ok , with a nice side plate of roasted lamb & salad "typical greek food" ...thats what a smart women does ! | |
|
funko
|
Joined: 5/16/2009
Msg: 972 | |
| Do you think there should be laws against people who trick you into sexual encounters!
Posted: 5/21/2009 7:40:12 AM | whoops sorry i thought you said ..what if you woke up from being drunk
ok well ...a prostitute is a total other of situation ...yes a prostitute is saying yes ...she runs the risk of what could happen ...that's the job ...its for the money & nothing else
personally i believe from the moment a man disrespects a any women, he should be shot !
she shouldn't be able call himself a man ...but thats just me | |
|
funko
|
Joined: 5/16/2009
Msg: 973 | |
| |
funko
|
Joined: 5/16/2009
Msg: 974 | |
| |
funko
|
Joined: 5/16/2009
Msg: 975 | |
| Do you think there should be laws against people who trick you into sexual encounters!
Posted: 5/21/2009 8:40:48 AM | ok just 1 more because i dont think anyone has gotten the meaning of this topic
.....yes if you got solid proof of any kind of sexual mis-behaviour by a man towards a women or vice versa ...you can file charges ...in many countries of the world ..that involves from con-artists until a broken condom & the man or women knows they have a sexual disease | |
|
|
| Page 39 of 44
|
4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44 |
|
Home
login 
....if the actions by the attacker dont stop, its immediately classified as rape/sexual assault