| Do you think there should be laws against people who trick you into sexual encounters!
Posted: 1/4/2008 5:28:21 PM |
this kind of crap has been going on since the dawn of time ==> Men lying to women to get them in the sack and have an extra marital relationship with them unbeknownst to them he was even married !!
Are you freakin serious? I hope you're not. What about the women who trick men into impregnating them so they can get child support? So far as I know there are no laws against that! That's more deceitful than almost anything any man could say to trick you into the sack. | |
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| Do you think there should be laws against people who trick you into sexual encounters!
Posted: 1/4/2008 5:28:50 PM | OK-OK, I understand your feelings for your friend.
her life "isn't destroyed", she learnt a painful real-life lesson: trusted the wrong man.
the good side of the coin is when she meets Mr Right, she will love him even more - because she really knows now how is a Bad Guy. he wasn't necesarily bad actually - not knowing the full story - maybe he had other reasons....we don't know about his feelings or thoughts after that night.
as for solution for next time, basically there are two ways:
1. do not connect sex and love. sex is just pure sex, body, not anything to do with love.
2. ....if you connect romantically there has to be deep love for sex, than....wait for longer...as above: wait until wedding night / honeymoon. see - maybe that wasn't a bad practice in the past
as for animals.........ALL HUMANS are animals!
(plenty of fishes here, plenty of homo sapiens in real life)
wish good recovery for your friend, and take better care next time!
A. 
Thanks for that reply edward can i tell you about one of my female friends who had her life destroyed by a game player! the guy led her along for months and months firstly chatting to her online and phone before actual dating in person.. made out he loved her ,wanted her kids ,wanted to transfer his job location to live with her all these promises he gave her before he had the sexual encounter with her...which lead her to believe he was serious totally about her... shes a close friend of mine ..ive known her for 25 years and sexually she doesnt bed hop and she,s maintained her sexual dignity for many years! without night stands and casual sex and was only sexually active with long term loving partners before she hooked up with this player on the net!... anyhows he stayed with her at her house ....after many innocent dates and she thought she knew him and abd the night he stayed at her house she was mislead into sexual encounter with him...just to discover the next day when he left...he dumped her after getting what he set out to get! this doesnt personally anger me because it happened to a very close friend of mine.. it makes me sad for everybody who,s been a victim to these animals! | |
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| Do you think there should be laws against people who trick you into sexual encounters!
Posted: 1/4/2008 5:29:55 PM | Ms Flis, it depends on the circumstances. Being "seduced" into consentual sex is trickery. Wanting a guy or gal cuz they're hot and you both want it and you lust each other is a different matter.
"the Art of Seduction" is trickery.. married men (and women) get away with it... it is still a form of rape.. the woman feels victimized and suffers the emotional trauma that one goes through with date rape. the fact she isn't physically bruised, beaten or killed doesn't trivialize the situation.
No, she cannot say she was dateraped, but the the fact that she was fooled/tricked/seduced into a sexual relationship shows dishonour on the one that got her there.
that is no different than you or anyone getting conned out of your money by some perp here or anywhere.
She was victimized, plain and simple!
Is getting conned in sex less important than getting conned out of your money??
No!
it's the same load of BS of getting conned!
A con job is a con job is a con job! | |
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| Do you think there should be laws against people who trick you into sexual encounters!
Posted: 1/4/2008 5:30:33 PM | I don't think anyone here is saying its ok to lie to someone. And I thought perjury was when you lied on the stand under oath?
"Are you freakin serious? I hope you're not. What about the women who trick men into impregnating them so they can get child support? So far as I know there are no laws against that! That's more deceitful than almost anything any man could say to trick you into the sack."
Excellent point!
EDIT: Royal no one is saying that person isn't going to get hurt but her own free will put her into bed with the guy. She said yes.
Have you been raped or molested? I have and I can tell you there is a big difference between that and a broken heart, or hurt pride.
Both might hurt but there is a huge difference between make a bad choice and having that choice taken away from you. | |
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| Do you think there should be laws against people who trick you into sexual encounters!
Posted: 1/4/2008 5:33:19 PM | In response to YES MAYBE statements... yeah my friend was told this guy was a potential creep but do people that are already in deep always listen..... dont you have to live to learn??? her feelings for him blinded her judgement of him i suppose! and he took avantage of that! and yeah i met this guy she was dating twice! and could see it straight off...but not all us humans have built in creep radars!!!
p.s.... i dont think life is fair at 33 yrs old as you soooooooooo righteously put it... im no idealist! but im also no defeatist either!!! and my mind does boggle after reading how many people on this forum have no fight in them to human rights! seems alot of humans these days are willing to bend over and accept sexual deception and being used and treated as meat !.... rather than a human with feelings! can i ask all the people who disagree with my views....could you all tell me who made the rule book to sexual deception just being a lesson learnt????? too often this kind of deception is overlooked and put down to experience or a lesson learnt...but i dont personally buy into it! being tricked into sexual encounters by condescending humans with some kind of commitment phobia...who knowingly lie!!!!!. i dont think it has nothing to do with how mature or educated or clued up and wise you are...these players are very clever and manipulative....may i add i refer to players male and female by the way!!!.... being intelligent and smart is to think outside of the box...not conforming to the box laws and declines in society isolate us within!.....anyhows ive finished this debate...said my piece in response to some and now leaving this forum!
have a lovely weekend all
regards welshfuchsia x | |
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| Do you think there should be laws against people who trick you into sexual encounters!
Posted: 1/4/2008 5:33:26 PM |
It wasn't written in the context as conveying any personal experience. I already made that point clear in response to you, but since you insist on harping that it is, forgive me if I don't care to waste any more time on your exaggerations.
The part I don't understand is that you quoted me saying or logical fallacies as if you had read what I said, but it doesn't appear as if you did. I wasn't pressing the issue that it was your personal experience. I was putting it out there as an option. I suggest a pocket mirror for when you're confused about which one of us is over exaggerating and "harping".
For somebody who claims to have never had that type of experience with women, you're awfully defensive towards one about it. | |
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Posted: 1/4/2008 5:34:39 PM | In a perfect world - Yes.
I have had several, not just one, encounter with married women who presented themselves as single - and one of those ended in my having to knock her husband unconcious in self-defense.  Though he did not attempt to have me arrested for assault and battery (probably out of embarassment), I could have been. If such a law were in effect, I might have had some legal protection, and the onus would have been on the woman who "deceived, concealed or deliberate distorted the truth."
I have come to the sad conclusion that, for every man who only thinks with their p***s, there is an equal number of women who only think with their v****a. | |
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| Do you think there should be laws against people who trick you into sexual encounters!
Posted: 1/4/2008 5:43:34 PM | The ten I was just asking because I wasn't sure but in the eyes of the law there is a difference between lying under oath and walking down the street saying something untrue. we would all be in jail if that were the case. How many of us said we felt fine when we didn't? Its still a lie right?
"In response to YES MAYBE statements... yeah my friend was told this guy was a potential creep but do people that are already in deep always listen..... dont you have to live to learn??? her feelings for him blinded her judgement of him i suppose! and he took avantage of that! and yeah i met this guy she was dating twice! and could see it straight off...but not all us humans have built in creep radars!!! "
She was warned! get over it she made a bad choice. | |
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Posted: 1/4/2008 5:45:44 PM | Royal lady: Your point is taken...
However:
I fear the heroin of your tale
most missed the red sale
that her lover waved
Had she been wary
She'd sense he was married.
and her lips would not be so pale.
OP Said:
seems alot of humans these days are willing to bend over and accept sexual deception and being used and treated as meat !
No body has said that anyone should bend over and accept sexual deception. Most of us have said that it sucks (and not in the good way) and that it's hard to bounce back from. Most of us have also said, that we need to take responsibility for our part in allowing it to happen by ingnoring things that point us to evidence of said deception.
The only thing I can see that you are being debated on is your attitude or unwillingness to share the blame in these kinds of things.
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Posted: 1/4/2008 5:50:32 PM | 100% agree with wise comments of a snake charmer lady
it's everyone 2 basic choices...
if you take way of pre-marriage sex, than accept its risks (also the emotional ones that we just seen from the OP's friend's example...),
If your friends are that hurt by being played, perhaps they should not have sex till after marriage
Otherwise, live and learn and hopefully the sex was good | |
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Posted: 1/4/2008 5:51:35 PM |
Ms Flis, it depends on the circumstances. Being "seduced" into consentual sex is trickery. Wanting a guy or gal cuz they're hot and you both want it and you lust each other is a different matter.
"the Art of Seduction" is trickery.. married men (and women) get away with it... it is still a form of rape.. the woman feels victimized and suffers the emotional trauma that one goes through with date rape. the fact she isn't physically bruised, beaten or killed doesn't trivialize the situation.
No, she cannot say she was dateraped, but the the fact that she was fooled/tricked/seduced into a sexual relationship shows dishonour on the one that got her there.
that is no different than you or anyone getting conned out of your money by some perp here or anywhere.
She was victimized, plain and simple!
Is getting conned in sex less important than getting conned out of your money??
No!
it's the same load of BS of getting conned!
A con job is a con job is a con job!
What most con jobs have in common is that the victim is the one who actually allows it to happen, through greed or foolishness. And this woman said yes, thus allowing it to happen. Whether it's a con job, or a seduction by a player, or the act of a cowardly man who came to an abrupt realization that he and this woman weren't right for each other--well, we don't know. We have only the OP's word for it that the friend was somehow "tricked"--but I didn't see any evidence presented that she was lied to, just that she was left by the guy after they had sex (again, after a considerable period of time that I believe most would rule out his being anyone who was out only to bed her). It happens all the time that people leave other people at various stages of a relationship. It also happens all the time that the one who was left feels betrayed. Sometimes they WERE betrayed--but many times they were betrayed by themselves every bit as much, or more so, as by the one who left.
I am not saying that this woman doesn't feel victimized to some degree. Maybe there are even legitimate reasons for that feeling; we can't know, given the minimal information at hand. But I still do not think that is at all the same as the emotional and physical trauma of one who suffers a date rape--or any other rape.
Seduction isn't rape. It's persuasion to do something you want to do anyway.
--Ms. Flis | |
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Posted: 1/4/2008 5:53:33 PM | Not sure how one is tricked into having sex? If its not consensual then its rape? right?
Relationships dont come with a gaurantee no matter how long or short they are.
Both men and Women are responsible for their own actions andof course being smart in the choices they make....Peoples feelings get hurt when others arent honest or forthright as to their relationships, thats a fact....but you cant go charging people with rape because you got a broken heart...thats ridiculous. And if this happens to your friends more than once then obviously they hav`nt learned their lesson and continue to make bad choices. | |
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Posted: 1/4/2008 5:55:47 PM | If you're going to suggest that there should be a law against these game players then shouldn't there be a law against some of the people who are stupid enough to fall for these people all for the sake of because he or she is HOT, learn how to say NOOOOOO
Deceiving, concealment or deliberate distortion of the truth for the purpose of sexual gain, ummm I dont think so... if that was the case,you might as well indict half of the politicians, Fortune 500 executives and Entertainers | |
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Posted: 1/4/2008 5:56:24 PM | Hi Everyone,
Thought I would have a say as well!
The dating world has changed since I was young and we all have to come to except that even though we do not like it.
As a guy I can tell you I have been used and mislead by a few girls. The most common has been lots of email and chatting and flirting from both of us for months and then when we finally meet they were just not into me. And that was even after spending the night together, the next day they have said I will give you a call. They never did and didn't return my calls so do you know what I did? I dusted myself off and got back out there because I know I'm a good person and there is someone out there for me.
So don't let anyone have the satisfaction of labeling you as a victim! Be strong and get back on that horse and ride into the future and don't look back on the past! | |
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Posted: 1/4/2008 6:12:41 PM | So a man says to you he loves you and he sleeps with you then leaves. What are we going to do, put him in jail because he deceived you?
Now what if he told you he loved you and did not sleep with you but left. He still deceived you and left. Should we send him to jail?
What is the evil thing? Him deceiving you or you having sex with him. Which part hurts. Him leaving or the time you spent rolling around with each other?
Have you ever thought he might have decided the sex was not that good and did not want to be stuck with it for the rest of his life?
If you do not want to be used for sex and then be thrown away, you want some consequences against someone doing that sign a contract. A marriage contract. | |
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Posted: 1/4/2008 6:23:02 PM | Oh the webs one can weave when they decide to deceive!!!!
And some are really good at it....Kind of makes all of us- men and women both scared to accept a persons' word doesn't it.....
as for me:
Every DECISION I make is Straight from the heart....
I can't blame anyone for my own selfish desires or faults or short comings- and like everyone else...I DO get SO ANGRY when I discovered they LIED...But I am not into Judging---Someone else can handle that department====Me, I handle!!!
P.S. Perish the thought that my own mind would not operate well enough to know when I want SOME and when I don't!!!!
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Posted: 1/4/2008 6:27:09 PM |
For anybody concerned....do you think there should be laws against game players that trick you into sexual encounters and dress things up in deceit ...i personally have put up this subject on forums because i have many females net friends who more and more have been a victims of this sort of misleading un-savory behavior!
Only if we can make it a crime to be stupid. | |
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