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 LoonyTunz

Joined: 8/11/2006
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Posted: 6/4/2008 9:53:13 PM
I am not sure if the "common denominator" thing was meant to encompass me too there sweetjem, but since you're newer or have just been quiet in most of the parts I've seen... I have only one bad experience with single moms and that is the one that I had kids with. Some no problem on personal accountability there, I should have known better, I didn't, my bad and I'll deal with the consequences.
That isn't to say I haven't SEEN a number of the rotten apples and identified them as such so never dated them. But they are there and as I indicated they seem quite "loud" compared to the sane parents.
If I was mistaken .... whoops just ignore me I've been working from 8am till midnight today so not at my best.

EDIT: No whips quirky, I might enjoy that. And then there would be hell to pay, or atleast a doghouse for me to sleep in.
 quirkyfishy

Joined: 5/6/2008
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Posted: 6/4/2008 9:58:53 PM

Second. they have to offer something more than a woman that doesn't have kids.


Hmm, that is an interesting statement. That we somehow have to step it up compared to our childless counterparts, to make up for our shortcomings?

I am interested in opinions as to if this is a common direction of thinking among men...

EDIT-tsk..tsk..putting her whip back in the special glass case...Perhaps the muzzle instead...
 MalibuSteve

Joined: 2/1/2008
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Posted: 6/4/2008 10:06:03 PM


Lynching party at my place tomorrow



Umm, could we make it Friday night? You know us single parents..We have to plan ahead for nights out

I'll bring the whip...

Damn. Friday night doesn't work for me. I've got my kids that night, and us non-custodial single parents can't give up the time we have.

How about Saturday night? If quirky brings the whip, should I bring the cream or the shackles? Or both?
 fab-mom

Joined: 6/19/2007
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Posted: 6/4/2008 10:08:12 PM
I have said it before and I will say it again before I had my wonderful daughter I was notorious for using men. They were lucky that I gave them the time of day. Most of them were just ways to pass my time on Friday and Saturday night. I was not someone, if I were a man looking for an actual relationship I would want to date. AFTER I had my child I learned the value of a relationship. I learned what it meant to love and compromise. After giving my all to my child and learning not to be selfish I am a wonderful girlfriend.

I realize that maybe some women are able to give their all even before having the ultimate relationship(which as I see it is a parent and a child) but I was not.

So for all the men that think having a woman that can drop everything (because she has nothing worth value) and run off on a date- cheers to you. For the men that want a woman that can contribute to a relationship because she knows the true value of a relationship- cheers to you too!

To each his/her own
 LoonyTunz

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Posted: 6/4/2008 10:15:44 PM

Hmm, that is an interesting statement. That we somehow have to step it up compared to our childless counterparts, to make up for our shortcomings?


Yes
and
No

Shortcomings is really just a judgemental sounding way of saying "different circumstances". And each and every single one of us has several different factors in our lives that narrow our dating pool, or make us more attractive to a segment of that pool. Some we can change(outlook on life, fashion, etc) and some we can't (parenthood, height, etc).
That would bring up the questions.... Do you ladies feel that there might be otherwise decent guys that are not as likely to give you the consideration as a partner because of your status as a single parent and/or the horror stories etc that have been perpetrated by other single parents?(that are not you, we know and aren't saying you are responsible for their actions, but this comes back to perceptions again)
And do you think that widening your potential dating pool will benefit you with adding enough new possibilities that you might be more likely to find what you want?
I'd say your own individual answers to those would tell you if you fall on the "yes" side or the "no" side.
But enough pop-psyche for one night I need a shower and a nap.
Goodnight and happy
 quirkyfishy

Joined: 5/6/2008
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Posted: 6/4/2008 10:33:18 PM

Damn. Friday night doesn't work for me. I've got my kids that night, and us non-custodial single parents can't give up the time we have.


and that, my single parent counterpart, is why you no longer need to "wonder why single women do not like single dads" and it did not take 105 pages to clear it up...

Myself, I never rule out single dads
 bob2013

Joined: 8/26/2007
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Posted: 6/4/2008 10:36:27 PM
Quirky, ummm ah, what kind of whip is that???? Firm leather..uuummm if you have a little while later...umm maybe we could.. aww never mind...Bob
 Canoe Gal

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Posted: 6/4/2008 10:50:14 PM

Even though you state you would never use such terms, picture the response to a thread (before it gets deleted for turning into a flame war of course) to any single father saying something about his "useless leech of a cum dumpster". I'm pretty confident that poster would be brought up short by both alot of men and women reminding the dumbass that HE saw something there once enough to stick around long enough to have a kids.
I am guilty of thinking them sometimes though. Well maybe not the same words some have used on here but still not so nice ones never the less.
If I read a thread such as the one you named...I'd be rolling on the floor laughing myself silly. I'd be thinking that "this guy" has a wee bit of pent up residual anger and really needs to vent. Hey, we all do once in a while. I'd also be wondering what he was thinking becoming involved with anyone who would be like that unless he's into that type. It was his choice. Who knows. Now if I read something in the thread that said all red heads are like that, I'd be ticked and say something. Otherwise, I'd just look at a different thread. Rants get repetitive and boring. You can't really get into any type of real dialog now can you.
 quirkyfishy

Joined: 5/6/2008
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Posted: 6/4/2008 10:51:17 PM
hmmm...male subjects seem to respond favorably to mention of torture device.....writing furiously in her field j0urnal...
 Canoe Gal

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Posted: 6/4/2008 10:57:41 PM
quirky, if the whip makes them nervous, take a couple of silk scarves too...that way they have a choice....hehe
 hidden_75

Joined: 12/22/2007
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Posted: 6/4/2008 10:58:12 PM
Err.. I have to comment yet again on this.. Because I think single mothers want to be able to eat the cake and the ice cream too. They can't seem to understand that they have lost some of there sex appeal but they still act as if they are worth every bit as much as if they didn't have a kid. Sort of damaged goods. Why can't the single mothers just date single dads? I am not opposed to dating a single mother, however, like I said they have to offer something more than someone that doesn't have a kid and make sure dam* well I don't come in third. I stay away from woman that state anything like this in there profile "My son/daughter comes first" This simply means you are not ready to date.. you are selfish! They should come first but you are selfish and instead of being a mother you want your cake and ice cream as well.
 MalibuSteve

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Posted: 6/4/2008 11:01:55 PM

and that, my single parent counterpart, is why you no longer need to "wonder why single women do not like single dads" and it did not take 105 pages to clear it up...

You, my dear, crack me up. It's a shame all of the wonderful people I meet in the forums live nowhere near me.

fab-mom,

I realize that maybe some women are able to give their all even before having the ultimate relationship(which as I see it is a parent and a child) but I was not.

So for all the men that think having a woman that can drop everything (because she has nothing worth value) and run off on a date- cheers to you. For the men that want a woman that can contribute to a relationship because she knows the true value of a relationship- cheers to you too!

While I see what you're saying, and to a large degree I agree, the way you've worded this is quite judgemental and could easily be offensive to those without children.
 quirkyfishy

Joined: 5/6/2008
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Posted: 6/4/2008 11:05:28 PM
Why can't the single mothers just date single dads?


That is akin to saying why can't short people just date other short people..imho.

Believe me, I am not passing up single dads by the truckload saying "Oops, sorry. You are a single parent, don't want to get involved in THAT drama".

I am open to dating fathers and have. But on the other hand, I am open to dating men that enjoy children, would perhaps like to have a biological child of their own, and would be open to dating me.

Why shrink my dating pool even more by eliminating anyone that is not a parent? If others want to do that, than that is fine, but I choose to be open to whatever comes my way.


They can't seem to understand that they have lost some of there sex appeal but they still act as if they are worth every bit as much as if they didn't have a kid.


We have lost some of our sex appeal to SOME men, and yes, I think most of us are just as worthy of finding happiness with someone. If that makes me one of those have her cake and eat it too type people, then give me a fork for my cake, and a spoon for my ice cream...
 Canoe Gal

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Posted: 6/4/2008 11:10:57 PM
hidden, since I don't really like cake and can't have ice cream (dairy) where does that leave me?
I guess it's hard to understand that I might have lost some of my sex appeal. Considering the number of invitations I get both on and off this site I hadn't really noticed a difference. I'm not too sure how I am damaged though either. I'm still the same size I was in high school. Actually that's not quite true, I've lost about a quarter of an inch in height due to a few (3) vertebra being fractured in a motercyle accident when I was 19. Still have the flat tummy. No marks other than the scars from the same accident and a few from other accidents. So what's damaged? Some guys like tiny women. Never mind, I get it...I'm old...hehe
 MalibuSteve

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Posted: 6/4/2008 11:11:27 PM

I think single mothers want to be able to eat the cake and the ice cream too. They can't seem to understand that they have lost some of there sex appeal but they still act as if they are worth every bit as much as if they didn't have a kid. Sort of damaged goods. Why can't the single mothers just date single dads?

hidden75,
While I resent the comment about single parents being "damaged goods", I do like the idea that single mothers should only date single fathers. In fact, I think I stated it before, but I think all women should only date single fathers with dark hair who have 4 kids and who are a bit overweight. I like this idea just fine.


I don't know what kind of parties you've been going to, but at the parties I throw, both cake and ice cream are served. (Single mothers take note. Women without children welcome also.)
 quirkyfishy

Joined: 5/6/2008
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Posted: 6/4/2008 11:19:24 PM

quirky, if the whip makes them nervous, take a couple of silk scarves too...that way they have a choice....hehe


Good Idea! As long as they are not dry clean only...



but at the parties I throw, both cake and ice cream are served. (Single mothers take note. Women without children welcome also.)


Wow, he is subtle AND equal opportunity. Bet he is snatched up QUICK...
 sweetness-one

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Posted: 6/5/2008 12:31:58 AM

So for all the men that think having a woman that can drop everything (because she has nothing worth value) and run off on a date




While I see what you're saying, and to a large degree I agree, the way you've worded this is quite judgemental and could easily be offensive to those without children.


I am glad you said this, MalibuSteve. Comments like that are what is fueling this thread, don't you agree?
 MalibuSteve

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Posted: 6/5/2008 12:50:35 AM

Wow, he is subtle AND equal opportunity. Bet he is snatched up QUICK...

If only this were true. Unfortunately, I wasn't being subtle or even using a double meaning. We all know that if you don't serve cake and ice cream at a kid's birthday party.

And for the record, sign me up for the silk scarves. The whip can leave visible marks.
 Kiss_My_Karma~

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Posted: 6/5/2008 3:37:22 AM
As far as my YOU are the common denominator, YOU have to figure out what you're doing....that whole statement~it really applies to anyone bemoaning their singlehood. Honestly. With or without kids, never married or three times divorced. You really do move ahead in life when you take a look at past failed relationships in a new way.

As far as single moms being damaged goods, needing to either have a better job than a childless woman or better looks....all I have to say to that is this. I see evidence to the counter side of that argument every day. When I go to my kids' sporting events, they are chock full of people on second marriages. Some of them are starting "phase II" of their childbearing years and have a 14 yr old and an infant in a stroller. Some of them have a mom with 3 kids and a dad with 2 from previous marriages. All of them, when you take the time to get to know them, are decent people. And all of them, at some point, were single parents. So I don't buy into your view. You have every right to it, but you sound like someone who doesn't really know a lot of single parents, so it sounds a little niave. But hey. Whatever floats your boat off the coast of your island.
 Johne102

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Posted: 6/5/2008 7:03:52 AM
Sometimes they seem like nice people online..then in peson they are not so nice so I ran as soon as I found out what hey were like. Funny they had jobs but all complained about money and expected a man to help out who she was just dating...or so the 8 I dated seemed to think.
 bob2013

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Posted: 6/5/2008 7:16:45 AM
Hidden, your young and single. First, if they are a good parent, whether they say it or not the child will always come first. Next they are not "damaged goods", think this way, if you were shopping, this item would have more "moving parts". In other words same thing like any other woman, just a little more complicated, due to her role as mother. Finally my friend, IF you get married or not, if you have children you are ALWAYS going to come in third. You don't have to believe me on this, ask your dad. If it works right, the child comes first, then if she works, does the hoousework or the majority of it. Well you know the rest... Since you are 33, as you get older, your dating pool WILL shrink if you don't date single moms, but that will be your choice. Besides all that, are you telling me that if you met the woman of your dreams, someone who made you feel that special feeling inside, you would pass her up if she had a child? Just think about it. Bob
 bob2013

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Posted: 6/5/2008 7:19:31 AM
Well Johne, then did they come right out and ask for money? Why did you not report them?? I posted a number of questions to you about this. What happened to those? Bob
 jellybeanqueen

Joined: 2/5/2008
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Posted: 6/5/2008 7:53:24 AM
funny Johne...you still aren't really looking at yourself...there's obviously something in your life that you are missing and haven't figured it out and keep looking for it with these women and it isn't stopping you from going out with them.

You still haven't figured out for yourself why you dated these women or why you want to date these women.

When you figure that out, in stead of focusing on what actually happened on these dates, maybe then you'll figure out what it is you are really looking for and go for it.

For now, the best idea might be to take a break man. Find yourself and get your inner peace.

oh Bob...I think his dating pool has already shrunk...I'm sure a good portion of the people on this site are single parents!!!

 kiddingmyself

Joined: 5/1/2008
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Posted: 6/5/2008 8:06:16 AM
You know if we took out all of Johnes posts and every reference to Johnes posts out of this thread it would be six pages long.
Sorry Johne I have tried to help you out as many others have but you just can't see the elephant in the room.
I know the laws here in Canada are screwed up but YOU have the power to not date single moms. And as far asking for stuff, well they do not have to have kids to see a sucker or an easy target.
I know you have mentioned your disability, and there more people out there that equate that to being stupid. That's a sad stereotype that you may have to live with but it doesn't mean you have to prove them right.
Stand your ground out there in the dating pool and take your time, patience does have advantages and learn what these women here have been trying to tell you.
 Smuggler1

Joined: 2/2/2008
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Posted: 6/5/2008 8:34:57 AM

I have said it before and I will say it again before I had my wonderful daughter I was notorious for using men. They were lucky that I gave them the time of day. Most of them were just ways to pass my time on Friday and Saturday night. I was not someone, if I were a man looking for an actual relationship I would want to date. AFTER I had my child I learned the value of a relationship. I learned what it meant to love and compromise. After giving my all to my child and learning not to be selfish I am a wonderful girlfriend.


Nice piece....

But that is one of the points of contention I believe. It seems that there are some single guys, who would like to consider starting a family.... But, who would also like thier first kid... to be first. Call it what you will...

So, off they go looking for a single woman without kids... And like you in your story, get crapped on, or passed by for the flash in the pan bad boy.... But, when approached by women with kids, and they say no thank you.... They get called al sorts of crap...

Based on your own story.... Sounds to me like it took one hell of a hard lesson. Why does it take something like that for women to figure things out??
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