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| Ever Wonder Why Single Men Do Not like Single mothers?
Posted: 6/8/2008 2:27:36 PM | motley_maiden
Agreed on all counts. Yeah and about that poster..no kidding!
Canoe Gal
Ummm a sense of humor isn't allowed in forums, everything said here should be taken very very seriously 
Statistics can be manipulated easily. By taking a narrow sample of men I could created statistics which prove men who were emasculated in a relationship tend to lash out at women in an attempt to reclaim their manhood. Or that people with genetic defects tend to dislike people who breed. Or that all single mothers are lazy and dependent on society.
I trust statistics as much as I trust the lobbyists who fund them. | |
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| Ever Wonder Why Single Men Do Not like Single mothers?
Posted: 6/8/2008 2:30:31 PM | Not me, I only want a man who I have to force to be with me! I love those feelings of resentment and mistrust..I'm getting hot just thinking about the possible nightly rejection.
No kidding single men don't have to date single mothers. I'm pretty sure freedom of choice is something we all support. But that doesn't mean most women will accept stereotypes which degrade women or the suggestion that children are a problem.
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| Ever Wonder Why Single Men Do Not like Single mothers?
Posted: 6/8/2008 2:37:01 PM | No sense of humour allowed? Where's the fun in that. Well I was never one to conform before and I can't see that changing anytime soon... soooooooo....I guess it just sucks to some that will have to learn to be a wee bit more tolerant. They can always ignore me. | |
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| Ever Wonder Why Single Men Do Not like Single mothers?
Posted: 6/8/2008 2:55:02 PM | Johne, I have come to realise that I have fallen for you and your Jerry Springer-like ways. I know I am nothing but a crappy single mother to you, but I promise to put you before my kids in every possible way. You are plainly a God with everything in the world to offer me, I am surely not worthy!
NOT.
Johne, please, surely you have better things to do and write about?
Are you kidding me????? Have just read your profile 'believe in putting family first'?? Hillarious! | |
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| Ever Wonder Why Single Men Do Not like Single mothers?
Posted: 6/8/2008 3:08:12 PM | Statistics can be manipulated easily. By taking a narrow sample of men I could created statistics which prove men who were emasculated in a relationship tend to lash out at women in an attempt to reclaim their manhood. Or that people with genetic defects tend to dislike people who breed. Or that all single mothers are lazy and dependent on society.
Tsk tsk, NO ONE said ALL single parents are anything at all. When you can't argue the fact that ballpark 80% are, make outrageous claims to avoid addressing the actual issue that the majority are in circumstances which many will not find desirable.
As for playing with stats that was from a government sponsored research program, and we know how PC they are. To make a claim like that without the data to back it up would be career-suicide.....unless they intend to use it as justification for multiple ex-partners supporting a single child, because someone has to, and the custodial parent doesn't seem to be.
If 80% of guys under 5'6" were found to be unable to hold a job for any length of time and 80 of guys over 6'2" were 80% likely to cheat, do you really think the ones in between wouldn't suddenly find themselves in higher demand?
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And Ugh here is another one.
http://forums.plentyoffish.com/datingPosts10131539.aspx
Maybe we can have the system e-mail everyone with kids full or part-time as soon as they join explaining the thread search function. Yes or prefer not to say gets a free tutorial. | |
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| Ever Wonder Why Single Men Do Not like Single mothers?
Posted: 6/8/2008 3:09:55 PM |
Smuggler, the hypocrisy of your last post is hi-fricking-larious.
YOU were naive (and insane, but now you're all better, so that doesn't count any more?) when YOU got used, but it was all the woman's fault:
"As far as treating me like an ATM... yeah, I would pretty much say that was her fault"
And yet, every woman who finds herself used by a man is at fault or insane (and now they're making better choices, just like you claim to be, and they're still at fault for having been insane?):
" Well... you made that bed.... Still trying to figure it out huh????" <==her fault/she's stupid
"I pull into question the sanity of their decision making process BEFORE they have kids, about the guy they choose to have kids with!" <==her fault/insanity
"Suck it up. 85% of you chased that bad boy, and there were probably plenty of people who said he wasnt good for you. Now you get to reap the rewards of what you've sewn..." <==her fault/your "good guy/bad boy" complex showing
"We were passed up in the first place, by that woman who is now a single mom, because we were too boring, not exciting enough, didnt have it or whatever... so that the woman who is now a single mother could chase that guy who wasnt/isnt good for them, but had his kids. " <==again, you got some issues you should deal with, dude.
The major only distinction, of course, being that you were "smart" enough to not have any kids. Which really translates to "lucky enough," as we all know that even perfectly-executed birth control has a non-zero failure rate.
Honestly, sounds like you're having a bad spot... a bit more emotional than usual... they say men have emotional cycles, too. Perhaps you've just got a touch of EMS (emotional male syndrome).
Look everyone... I have a pet..... He keeps following me around all over the place..... Unless you have something worth while, or I address you... back off sugar jockey... because from where I stand, you dont have much to say... If you plan on trying very hard to make a point, by quoting me... Please for Gods sake.. Get it right, and quote everything, not just those parts that you feel you can twist to make your point. Obviously, someone that rocks your little harem boat, is going to get the lashing, but at least you can be a man about it. Go quilt something...
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| Ever Wonder Why Single Men Do Not like Single mothers?
Posted: 6/8/2008 3:25:20 PM | I guess that means you don't have a substantive response to the post, eh Smuggler?
And here I thought the EMS thing was a joke. Who knew?
How about you man up and actually address the hypocrisy you are spewing in this forum? Or at least point out anywhere I've substantially twisted your intent, 'cause I don't see it, big guy. | |
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| Ever Wonder Why Single Men Do Not like Single mothers?
Posted: 6/8/2008 3:34:25 PM | Warning Smuggler: I'm jumping in again.
You simply cannot tell people when, where, and to whom they can post. I don't know who died and made you mod god, but you're not. And the rules clearly state that this is a discussion to be had by all.
Not to mention....as I pointed out before, you jump in wherever and whenever you feel, why can't everyone else? Because you feel picked on? Wah. | |
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| Ever Wonder Why Single Men Do Not like Single mothers?
Posted: 6/8/2008 5:22:32 PM | As for playing with stats that was from a government sponsored research program, and we know how PC they are. To make a claim like that without the data to back it up would be career-suicide.....unless they intend to use it as justification for multiple ex-partners supporting a single child, because someone has to, and the custodial parent doesn't seem to be.
Aren't you the same guy who answered "why are some men so easy to use" question..with it's the feminists fault. And you're questioning my ability to reason?
Stats can be manipulated and are. A gov't sponsored survey has to pc? Career suicide for who? A public servant? A politician? Right bahaha! And Employment insurance is equally distributed. And Mike Harris reduced the Ontario deficit with his common sense revolution. And parents who share custody and pay support aren't getting screwed by Revenue Canada. And the government didn't pass legislation to force non-biological parents to pay support to reduce the cost of social programs.
Your naivety is almost cute.
There are whiners in this world. There will always be people who avoid self-awareness instead of seeing they are single because they lack. There will always be the nice guy who say..why do women like the bad boys. There will always be the single mothers who truly believe their children are the reason men are not interested in them. There will always be woman whining about how men are only out for sex. And there will always be men who think women are out to get them. These are individuals looking for excuses, are not a representation of an entire gender. I could care less the bashing an individual takes for their opinion but when an entire gender is bigoted, I have to disagree. | |
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| Ever Wonder Why Single Men Do Not like Single mothers?
Posted: 6/8/2008 5:29:13 PM | | OK I'm back from the wild goose chase. JOHNE YOU ARE A LIAR!!!! I read your 2 threads in which you claimed a single mom would take a child's side over a marrige relationship. Aside from the disgusting, vile, insulting garbage you have foisted upon these women for 118 pages there was NO SINGLE MOMS, NO MOMS, NO WOMEN PERIOD who made any kind of such statement. I repeat YOU SIR, ARE A LIAR. Make no more statements unless you can show thread, page and post number. Stop the fantasies that exist only in that pea sized brain.Bob | |
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| Ever Wonder Why Single Men Do Not like Single mothers?
Posted: 6/8/2008 5:37:54 PM | bob2013
You just figured that out? You're sweet to have given him so much credit and allowed him to explain himself. I figured it out when his story about the single mother asking to borrow $30 then crying, turned to $10 a few weeks later.
And if he is delusional is he really a liar? | |
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| Ever Wonder Why Single Men Do Not like Single mothers?
Posted: 6/8/2008 5:38:22 PM | Bob check page 6 on the thread titled "How to aviod being used by single moms" one woman clearly states that she would not date a man unless she buys her son things.
I have my reasons Bob tat are based on my finances, when I keep reading thread after thread about how men will not date single moms..there may be a reason for it...men do not want to date single mom. | |
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| Ever Wonder Why Single Men Do Not like Single mothers?
Posted: 6/8/2008 5:59:03 PM | Unfortunately again we have degenerated into name calling, insults and misrepresentations. First I believe the women on here have acknowledged, if it is personal preference to not date single moms, they understand. They have been questioning the rational behind it to understand the points being made. A point is a factual reason for your behavior, this does not entitle anyone you OR them to sit in judgement on the other party. Nor the right to hurl insults or names that are derogatory about the other party. I think these women are apart from seeking knowledge, are also trying to demonstrate that ALL single mothers can not be put in the same category JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE SINGLE MOTHERS. Individuality is the answer to this, if they have good jobs, are educated or even if they just work and went to school, does not religate them to the back of the bus. I believe they want you to recognize them as good, hard working individuals even if you don't want to date them. As to the demographic issue, again do you believe, or do you honestly think the POF population mirrors that of the USA population? I don't think so, I look through the profiles here in Atlanta a city with a good sized lower income population and do not see many without jobs, or stay at home moms. I cannot speak to anyone else's area I don't look there.
Finally can we agree, that the ONLY reason any of you joined POF was to find some sort of relationship. Some seek dating, some LTR, some friends and some seek sex. You may not like the players, golddiggers, users, liars but they are part of the population. These forums are for discussion and rants, just the way it is. You may not respond to someone seeking an intimate encounter, you may not like them being here but no one tries to imply they are second class citizens. They are upfront about what they want, don't hide it, that's who they are. You may feel THEY ARE second class citizens but no one posts threads about it. Here these women are being indicted for trying only to get whateverybody else came here for. How is that right? You don't want to date them, then don't. You want them to know why, tell them. Tell them once, maybe twice oh h*ll, tell them 4 or 5 times. But you don't have to stay here repeating 25 or 30 times and call them names and insult them do you? Whether you like it or not they have a RIGHT TO SEEK A RELATIONSHIP. They may not have it with you, but it's still there right. Bob.
PS If I've been to outspoken on this thread and you feel I should back off tell me, I don't wish to become a Johne. | |
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| Ever Wonder Why Single Men Do Not like Single mothers?
Posted: 6/8/2008 6:24:09 PM | | Johne, your post 2876 clearly states, single moms taking the childs side over relationship not "buying her son things". Your a liar, no such post exists. These other threads are just filled with more of your insults, propaganda and lies. I will not accept anything further you have to say. YOU LIED, end of story. Bob | |
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| Ever Wonder Why Single Men Do Not like Single mothers?
Posted: 6/8/2008 6:30:02 PM | what about the other way around? single woman dating men with children? I know, its rare that the man ends up with the children, however in my case I am starting to wonder if woman are not wanting to date me because I have a 4 year old. It seems everythings going "well" until they find out about my daughter >.>
anyway, I am jumping into the middle of this *is new to this place* | |
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| Ever Wonder Why Single Men Do Not like Single mothers?
Posted: 6/8/2008 6:40:37 PM | Welcome Divine Creature,
I hope you are prepared to take the blasts from people saying you made poor choices when choosing someone to have children with. And I hope you're prepared to defend your parental vs dating abilities. It can really get you down if you let it.....don't. | |
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| Ever Wonder Why Single Men Do Not like Single mothers?
Posted: 6/8/2008 7:20:25 PM |
As for playing with stats that was from a government sponsored research program, and we know how PC they are. To make a claim like that without the data to back it up would be career-suicide.....unless they intend to use it as justification for multiple ex-partners supporting a single child, because someone has to, and the custodial parent doesn't seem to be.
Aren't you the same guy who answered "why are some men so easy to use" question..with it's the feminists fault. And you're questioning my ability to reason?
Stats can be manipulated and are. A gov't sponsored survey has to pc? Career suicide for who? A public servant? A politician? Right bahaha! And Employment insurance is equally distributed. And Mike Harris reduced the Ontario deficit with his common sense revolution. And parents who share custody and pay support aren't getting screwed by Revenue Canada. And the government didn't pass legislation to force non-biological parents to pay support to reduce the cost of social programs.
Your naivety is almost cute.
There are whiners in this world. There will always be people who avoid self-awareness instead of seeing they are single because they lack. There will always be the nice guy who say..why do women like the bad boys. There will always be the single mothers who truly believe their children are the reason men are not interested in them. There will always be woman whining about how men are only out for sex. And there will always be men who think women are out to get them. These are individuals looking for excuses, are not a representation of an entire gender. I could care less the bashing an individual takes for their opinion but when an entire gender is bigoted, I have to disagree.
Well bring in some verifiable stats that back up those silly a$$ed claims you made earlier. And since they were quite foolish I am sure I can show the fallacy of the data and how it is skewed, whereas you are not able to do the same with the data indicating the gross majority of single mothers do not work.
I'd really like to know why you take it as such a personal insult if you are not in that 80 some odd percent.
And no, you misinterpreted the effect of gender feminists on public policy. But if you can't bother to read their own manifestos which clearly describe the destruction of nuclear families as a good thing. A bunch of single parents is part of their utopia.
Oh and as for looking... not me, you seem to have me confused with someone else.
Blindly ignoring the facts will not make them go away. And the facts point to many being in less than desirable circumstances. I didn't cause this to happen, so why would you feel the need to elude to things like emasculation. etc in a thinly veiled ad hominem response? After all it is merely an observation which has data to back it up unlike anecdotal "evidence".
The humourous part is actually I am all for everyone getting as many shots at getting whatever they want out of life, single parents included. Yet some will still take issue with mt asserting that many people have unrealistic expectations. That applies to everyone, including single parents. Take a look at what each brings to the table, positive traits/attitudes, negative traits/liabilities, strengths/weaknesses. And all I did was point out a few that happen to occur over 80% of the time in a particular group. I could do much the same with regard to recently separated/divorced people having a much higher tendency toward bitterness, sure it doesn't apply to everyone but it will be true most of the time. Do you know many people that would advocate jumping into a relationship with anyone just freshly out of a divorce? | |
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| Ever Wonder Why Single Men Do Not like Single mothers?
Posted: 6/8/2008 7:24:34 PM | Ms Beavenhouse:
You have 2 different svenarios mixed up...one single mom asked me if she could borrow $30 to buy her daughter school supplies. I said no..another asked me on date#1 to borrow $10 for gas...I said no and she started to cry. I have found more single moms look for hand outs then those who are not single mothers.
Check out the thread "narrow minded men" Single mom basically states that the men she wants to date do not want to dae her and thinks men are narrow minded for not wanting to date a woman with children.
I have cerebral palsy I do not bash women who do not want to date me..it is their choice..no one should get bashed for making choices. | |
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| Ever Wonder Why Single Men Do Not like Single mothers?
Posted: 6/8/2008 7:27:02 PM | | I wonder if the common thread (besides you) John is that maybe these 8 (which used to be 6 or 7) single moms that want to get at your loads of cash don't have jobs? Any insight on that little tidbit? | |
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| Ever Wonder Why Single Men Do Not like Single mothers?
Posted: 6/8/2008 7:42:07 PM | I asked that previously Simmah, it was my assumption too. But he said they were working, and I forgot to ask if they were decent jobs or basic sustenance level jobs.
There is one thing I would be all for, government funded re-training for single parents, this should allow more to be much more self-sufficient than is currently the case. It would be hard to argue against the benefits to society as a whole having fewer kids at or below poverty level and less justification for the silly laws which have been done to death already. | |
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| Ever Wonder Why Single Men Do Not like Single mothers?
Posted: 6/8/2008 7:51:56 PM | | Good post loony. Your point of the recently divorced is on point. No argument there. As to statistics, I cannot argue the government numbers, they are what they are. I concur, my point is POF is not indicative of the general population, would you agree? I think you are balanced in your outlook in what you hope for all on here, that is all I could hope for. Again it all comes down to personal preferences and selection process. What you represent, if I read you correctly is that single moms are entitled to a relationship, you wish them well in finding one, but it is not your cup of tea to date one due to bad experiences and your own selection process. One question though, if you were to meet a single mom, with a good job, paying her own way, who knocked your socks off(chemistry, looks, attitude) would you walk away or date her? Bob | |
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