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I sure as hell didn't pretend I wasn't talking to you

Nope... again, you took the "you" to mean specifically you

back when I was in high school, I don't recall seeing ANYONE having a baby, at least not in my school. Nowadays they evidently have daycares in some high schools, or at least are pushing for them...and you say you don't see any difference? Statistics or not, you're surely not that blind, are you?

Umm actually I have 3 not that it was ever any of you business, But may aswell address it as I draw your attention to your ad hominem attack and complete lack of facts to counter what I stated above.

He might be doing that because braying like a giant sanctimonious jackass is one of his natural talents.
Someone should point out rhino, that knitting has long been seen as theraputic for those with anger management issues rather than some sexist comment. You may want to look into that.

Loony, go read more on the story. There's a lot more out there.

If any such pact existed, it was between a very few girls, and consisted more of a "if we get pregnant, we'll support each other and get through school," than a "let's get pregnant and screw the Man (or man, or boy...)"

Smuggler, that is something I am curious about. What exactly do you gain from reading and posting in these forums?

Just because someone has a different opinion to you does not make them 'wrong'. Your opinions are personal to you, but that doe not make them right!

Being consistently insulting and calling people 'idiots' or claiming they are excuses for men just shows that you have little maturity and little understanding of the world. I really do hope that someday you find someone to make you happy.

Then again, there are those who have been spoon fed propaganda, the proverbial "wussification factor", from birth. Having their mothers coddle them, because their fathers were not around to teach them about being a man, accepting responsibility, and the difference between Rights and Priveleges.... Instead, they get stuck with, albeit with good intentions, women telling them to be nice boys, good boys and all the rest of the crap, they cant break away from it and they despise any man who may call them out on it!

i think this comes from the fact that they have been unfortunately, unknowingly castrated and when they see other men that continue to have theirs, they are jealous.

i feel sorry for these types, it's really not their fault.

Then again, there are those who have been spoon fed propaganda, the proverbial "wussification factor", from birth. Having their mothers coddle them, because their fathers were not around to teach them about being a man, accepting responsibility, and the difference between Rights and Privileges.... Instead, they get stuck with, albeit with good intentions, women telling them to be nice boys, good boys and all the rest of the crap, they cant break away from it and they despise any man who may call them out on it!

It's always amusing to counter a personal attack with a personal attack and then watch the accusations of "ad hominem" start flying. Twit. And to wit:

If any such pact existed, it was between a very few girls, and consisted more of a "if we get pregnant, we'll support each other and get through school," than a "let's get pregnant and screw the Man (or man, or boy...)"

Lurid and sensationalized events such as the public response to Lorena Bobbitt after she cut off her abusive husband's penis, prurient fascination provoked by Anita Hill's allegations about Clarence Thomas, and the exploitation of the mass murder of fourteen women in Montreal have been processed through popular culture since the 1990s to produce pervasive misandry - contempt for men, the counterpart of misogyny. Paul Nathanson and Katherine Young believe that this reveals a shift in the United States and Canada to a worldview based on ideological feminism, which presents all issues from the point of view of women and, in the process, explicitly or implicitly attacks men as a class. They argue that ideological feminism is silently reshaping law, pubic policy, education, and journalism. Legalizing Misandry offers lively and compelling evidence to demonstrate the pervasiveness of this new thinking - from the courts, classrooms, government committees, and corporate bureaucracies to laws and policies affecting employment, marriage, divorce, custody, sexual harassment, violence, and human rights.

Ok so back-pedal from "there was no pact", to "if there was it was small". Ignore the social worker that knew of the pact last summer. Or blame Jamie-Lynn Spears or a movie for what really is nothing more than p1ss-poor parenting.

As for the ad hominem, I don't give a damn... you insult me, I insult you, then you get all offended and start crying "ad hominem." Poor thing. You must need a hug.

But I think it easier for Single father's because women respect you for all your hard effort, respect and responsibility. Single mother are not viewed the same way.

I feel a little left out (hehe) but I have to agree with Bob.

You know it's all interesing to me, watching the barbs go back and forth, the name calling, the spectrum of ultra feminism and machismo. The sad part in all this, is that while all bash each other, we lose sight of the main stream population that soldiers on. Not in the battle of the sexes, more the battle to be recognized as individuals seeking comfort in the opposite sex. Whether Rhino, Smuggler or anyone else in the fray from the male side wish to admit it, they are here to meet someone, now I'll get good and ripped for this post, but here goes. Rhino has his moments in battle, but he tries to walk a line close to what is perceived as the enemy lines. Far worse is Smugller's situation, he has been hurt very badly, has jaundiced his sight, maybe even poisoned his heart a little. There are a few other men who have hurled the gauntlet for male superiority, with inflamatory rhetoric. When viewed though, some would have you believe, women will screw you over, women are the enemy. When what all of these guys want, is for a few of these or any women to prove them wrong. To prove that there are real, caring women who won't try and cut their legs out from under them or their collective b*lls off. They probably won't admit it, but they really want a woman to show them, prove to them in some way "hey, I'm not those women who did this to you, I care for you, you can trust me.

On the opposite side we have Princess A., Simm, Mermaid and quirky(who still contacts me as a friend). There are other women who pitch battle, seeking, no demanding respect, for the life they live, the sacrifices they made, the things they acomplished. Then though, just as the men, they want and desire, no crave some men to prove to them, no I'm not going to cheat, no I'm going to keep my job, no I'm not going to lose myself in xbox, the TV, or some sporting event. I'm going to show you I care, I'm going to hold you when you cry cause it gets too much.

Funny thing about all this is some or all of these secret wants, desires and hopes brought us to POF. Most of us came here, to meet men/women to date, to have sex with, to fulfill desires not listed on our profiles, only locked in our hearts where no one can see. There was a post 2 months ago in the tesimonial section about a guy leaving with a screen name of "misogynist" I believe, he ranted about the women, the phonies, the no show dates, the no answer emails then spewed venom about the women. Of course then the women lined up in turn to denegrate him, especially given that screen name. When all was said and done, away from the tirades, the anger, the hate on both sides. The ONLY thing I could see, that out of 60-70 posters couldn't except for 1 or 2 was the intense amount of pain both by "misogynist" and those reacting to him.

No one I know, came here for pain, or hurt, or deceit. No one came to call names, stir the sh*t or cause a ruckus. We all came, daring to believe, daring to hope, some scared, praying in some way that what we believe or have painfully learned at the hand of a vengeful spouse or SO is not real. THAT INDEED WE WILL FIND LOVE WITH SOMEONE WHO WILL VALUE US AND NOT TAKE ADVANTAGE. That the dream will become reality, that you could scream from the rooftops "SEE THEY ARE NOT ALL LIKE THAT". But the journey is harder than we hoped or expected. So we lose some faith, but not all, because when you get down to it, we're all still here. SO flame away at me fishies, but I'd prefer to see it my way, your way right now is just not where I want to go. Yes your right, I'm a little bit of a romantic, a dreamer. Better that then the alternative.

When what all of these guys want, is for a few of these or any women to prove them wrong. To prove that there are real, caring women who won't try and cut their legs out from under them or their collective b*lls off. They probably won't admit it, but they really want a woman to show them, prove to them in some way "hey, I'm not those women who did this to you, I care for you, you can trust me.