1vman
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| Kill a home invader... murder or self defense?
Posted: 1/8/2008 6:49:01 AM | first and foremost if someone breaks into my home with intent to harm or hurt,anyone I care about .. he or they picked the wrong house to break into. this man was sleeping in his bed and was woken up by intruders ,thank god he got the better of them..who knows what could have happened .and as far as any question goes ,, murder or self defense . If they weren't there this would not have happened . right !! so I would say justified homicide . and hopefully this will discourage anyone from breaking into a home, when someones home. I feel bad for this guy .he didn't ask for this.. nor did he want to be the victim. he stood up for himself and his loved ones . and he knows he did what he had to do.. and the cops should go after criminals . not victims . this is just one mans opinion .  | |
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| Kill a home invader... murder or self defense?
Posted: 1/8/2008 6:50:04 AM |
It is also ONE of the reasons that the Japanese
RUED having to consider invading the U.S. (or generally any other agressor either). They
knew that the POPULACE was ARMED. In the birth of our nation, Canada went ONE way,
WE in turn went the OTHER.
Laughable. I wonder why they didn't invade the UK? | |
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| Kill a home invader... murder or self defense?
Posted: 1/8/2008 7:17:00 AM | | I will say it depends on the circumstances and the mental state of the person doing the killing. Fear that someone may hurt you could cause you to kill. Its nature. | |
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| Kill a home invader... murder or self defense?
Posted: 1/8/2008 8:15:46 AM | If you are in my house uninvited, my assumption is that you are there to do me harm not to have a cuppa tea.. You will find your self spread all over the wall.. My double barrel shot gun will see to that. I don't care about your life because you wouldn't be in my home uninvited if you cared about mine.
I will just make sure you have a kitchen knife in your hand before I call the police.. Not murder, self defense | |
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| I am glad you are thinking first of all
Posted: 1/8/2008 8:51:24 AM | also, Badger seems to be able to think.
These are old games. It goes to the rights of a country to defend and protect. The legal system does not want you as an equal. They will do whatever is needed to get money into the State.
It goes case by case, or standard kangaroo court as they like.
I just read an article in the newspaper that murdered a whole race of people, lock, stock and barrel. It is all propaganda, though, and if you personally do not confront these sorts of problems on every level, then you seem to know the outcome. | |
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| I am glad you are thinking first of all
Posted: 1/8/2008 2:13:39 PM | As a Canadian, I know I am supposed to run away and let a perpetrator do whatever they want in my home.
As a man, I won't be doing that.
As a person I will do what I can to defend myself, my property, and my loved ones.
Will I do time for it? Yes. Will the Canadian public have an opinion and make it known? Maybe...doesn't do any good anyways....courts will not go with public opinion if it goes contrary to political correctness.
Only three choices in Canada....hide the body and make that person "disappear" and claim no knowledge of it...or drag the carcass out onto the middle of the street, dump it, and go about your business as if nohting had happened. When the cops come asking questions, ask your own...like "Where were the police when all this was going down? Oh...not here...well...looks like someone took care of it for you...have a nice day!" The cops can't be there...we all know that....so you've just made sure that other citizens will never be harmed or have their homes broken into again by this person. | |
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| Kill a home invader... murder or self defense?
Posted: 1/8/2008 3:08:06 PM | I will say it depends on the circumstances and the mental state of the person doing the killing. Fear that someone may hurt you could cause you to kill. Its nature.
huh uh. you shouldn't kill them because you're afraid. you should kill them because it is the ONLY morally proper thing to do | |
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| Kill a home invader... murder or self defense?
Posted: 1/8/2008 3:16:19 PM | I can't imagine anybody who "needs" an accesibble loaded weapon in their home unless they're a drug dealer. Seriously, home invasions are far less common than accidental fire arm deaths in this country." Charlesedm on 1/6/2008 857 PM
there is simply no rational reason for not having a loaded gun within easy reach. if you have toddlers, it's obviously prudent to have the gun where they are unable to get it, but handy for you. by the time a kid is seven, he should be learning gun safety and to shoot so he won't be getting your gun anyway. | |
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| Kill a home invader... murder or self defense?
Posted: 1/8/2008 3:27:37 PM | So you'll commit a criminal act to justify another criminal act? Wow. Thanks for the warning.
If the perp has a knife and you aren't cut and he's dead, you'll be charged with manslaugter, despite all appeals to emotion of the contrary position. You may wish to investigate what exactly constitutes self defense in your state. If he came to take your tv and you shoot but do not kill him he'll be out of jail before you will. Carry on though.
You'd think in such a macho gun happy society you'd have no crime. Go figure.
I will just make sure you have a kitchen knife in your hand before I call the police.. Not murder, self defense | |
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| Kill a home invader... murder or self defense?
Posted: 1/8/2008 4:02:55 PM | rsx11 we are saying it as many ways as possible so people "less bright" then you might also understand and hopfully avoid a life changing experience.
Reality is indeed, strange then fiction ~ dar
I got a good one for you ~ We tried a person for beating a man to death with a table leg ~ He was in jail ~ on investigation, the Grand Jury discovered that the deceased had only a few hours earlier that day , had burnt the "actors" house to the ground.
So how do you suppect that worked for the defendant? | |
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| Kill a home invader... murder or self defense?
Posted: 1/8/2008 4:59:06 PM | Im sorry but if some ***hole is going to break into my home, I would assume he's not there to pre cook any meals for me, And If I had my goddaughter in the house and the ***hole broke in, he better hope Jesus is on his side cause he will be meeting him very soon.
Im for " whacking" the dude if he breaks in, he knows it wrong, and if he wants to take a chance go for it, just dont expect a friendly welcome. | |
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| Kill a home invader... murder or self defense?
Posted: 1/8/2008 6:58:47 PM | and I don't blame you ~ and no one else will either ~
but! before you pop that cap ~ make sure it's not the old gent that lives down the way ~ and has memory laps ~ and has mistaken his house for yours ~ or some drunk that parked behind your wifes car ~ thinking he was home because he has one just like it.
~dar | |
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| Kill a home invader... murder or self defense?
Posted: 1/8/2008 8:56:49 PM | ^^^Msg: 100
Well put, rsx.
It's hard to win a battle against:
- someone crazier than you;
- someone with nothing to loose; or
- someone who is armed and ready, when you've just been roused from a deep sleep.
I read a story wherein a person was suffering repeated B&E's at his home until he posted signs on its windows cautioning (falsely) that poisonous snakes were housed within.
I think the idea is to ensure we exhaust all other means of self-preservation, within reason, before resorting to killing people... There's no "Undo" command for that. | |
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| Kill a home invader... murder or self defense?
Posted: 1/8/2008 10:16:38 PM | Of course it's self defense.
I believe that if every person was alowed to use deadly force against anyone breaking into your home there would in fact be less people willing to take the risk of breaking in your home in the first place. These shitbags only break into your home for only a handfull of reasons. The more of them that get killed, the better it is for society.
1, they want to steal shit from you and sell it to make a buck.
2, they want to steal your shit and sell it for a buck but are crazed out of their head beacause of drugs, they are armed and they will shoot you, if needed, to make sure they do in fact steal your shit.
3, they are metally deranged and just picked your house at random or stalk you and break in to rape and/or murder you.
4, they have some kind of issue with you and they go there for the sole purpose of murdering you.
All thieves who are willing to break into someones home are doing it for some kind of profit. They are hoping that you have something worth stealing so they can steal it and make a buck. Unless they are there to flat out kill/rape you for whatever reason their twisted head can come up with a thief does not want to have a confrontation with anyone at all. They damn sure don't want a run in with someone pissed off and armed.
Regardless of why they broke in, a person should have the right to defend themselves and their property with deadly force. Once a person enters your home to do illegal things they should have no rights and the owner of said property should be able to kill them without consequence.
There is just no reason that I can think of, as to why we as a society, should allow anyone breaking into someone elses home any rights whatsoever. They should forfit all rights when they cross the threshold and we as a society should stand behind the decision of the home owner.
So you'll commit a criminal act to justify another criminal act? Wow. Thanks for the warning.
If the perp has a knife and you aren't cut and he's dead, you'll be charged with manslaugter, despite all appeals to emotion of the contrary position. You may wish to investigate what exactly constitutes self defense in your state. If he came to take your tv and you shoot but do not kill him he'll be out of jail before you will. Carry on though.
This is why some people own a gun(s) that are "pre-paper". Meaning, that gun can not be traced back to anyone but it's legal. Some people may own guns that they bought back in the day when all you had to do to get a gun was to show the clerk your ID, pay the money, and walk out of the store. So it would stand to reason that some people may be able to put a gun into the hand of an intruder regardless of why they are there. This is hypothetically speaking of course. | |
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| Kill a home invader... murder or self defense?
Posted: 1/9/2008 1:03:01 AM |
If he came to take your tv and you shoot but do not kill him he'll be out of jail before you will. Carry on though.
If he's dead how would anyone know what he was there to do? | |
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| Kill a home invader... murder or self defense?
Posted: 1/9/2008 12:38:18 PM | | I don't know about Canada. But I'm from Texas, the law here if someone breaks into your house you can shoot him. In one case the guy was outside the house trying to break in the front door. The homeowner hears the noise tells him he's got a gun,this doesn't shop him. The homeowner fires warning shots,high into door not wanting to hit the guy. The intruder wasn't lucky, he was 6'5'' . He was shot in the head, the homeowner had no problems with the police. In the case you describe what I would do is pack my bags and move to a place where you can still protect your family. We do have hocky down here now. It's not as good as Canadian hockey , but it's getting there. | |
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| Kill a home invader... murder or self defense?
Posted: 1/9/2008 2:00:29 PM | Woo-hoo...Texas hockey...gotta use the big sticks for that!
Yep...laws have to change...make the criminals the ones resposible for their actions and their victims excused for removing these parasites from society.
Perhaps in Canada we'll get rid of a few bleeding hearts by opening half-way houses next door to the ones who want to mollycoddle criminals.Then we may see some change. | |
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| Kill a home invader... murder or self defense?
Posted: 1/9/2008 2:07:16 PM | If the perp has a knife and you aren't cut and he's dead, you'll be charged with manslaugter, despite all appeals to emotion of the contrary position. You may wish to investigate what exactly constitutes self defense in your state. If he came to take your tv and you shoot but do not kill him he'll be out of jail before you will. Carry on though.
You'd think in such a macho gun happy society you'd have no crime. Go figure.
it's astounding how many of you fools know absolutely nothing about the law. in this scenario, of course the lad wouldn't be charged with anything. where would you get such an imbecillic idea that he couldn't kill a piece of shyt that had a knife? and, no rational person would just wound a punk. you never shoot to wound, you only shoot to kill. | |
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| Kill a home invader... murder or self defense?
Posted: 1/9/2008 2:07:17 PM | I know where you are coming from, and I've been keeping an eye on that situation pretty close. The reason they might put him away for murder, is because he went beyond self defense. The intruder who lived, was stabbed twelve times. That is a little excessive for self defense. I don't recall what happened with the man who died.
But I can understand both cases. You can't really think when you're getting attacked in the middle of the night like that, but I believe the guy did go overboard with trying to defend himself.
I do hope he doesn't get put away though. | |
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| Kill a home invader... murder or self defense?
Posted: 1/9/2008 2:13:55 PM | | there's nothing complicated about reality. when a punk chooses to break into your house, he is announcing that he is willing to forfeit his life, and you should certainly oblige him. even though your vcr IS worth more than his life, that is not why you kill him. he deserves to die because he chose to violate you by breaking into your house. there is simply no intelligent reason for not killing him | |
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| Kill a home invader... murder or self defense?
Posted: 1/9/2008 5:53:45 PM |
where would you get such an imbecillic idea that he couldn't kill a piece of shyt that had a knife?
Because I know the laws that govern where I live and for that matter where you live? Was this a trick question?
You know, one of the reasons we have laws is because of the thug-bordering-oncriminal attitudes seen in this thread. A truly civil society would not need them.
Yippee tai yi yo. Do what feels right, don't even wonder what the law says. Oh wait, that's the attitude the criminal has.
I can only conclude that most poeple posting in this thread are indeed criminals.
But go ahead, try to defend the position that doing something illegal doesn't make you a criminal, I dare you. | |
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| Kill a home invader... murder or self defense?
Posted: 1/9/2008 6:26:56 PM | Rsz11, Im afraid you have no idea what you're talking about, I live in the real world
and I do agree if someone is breaking into my home they're not there to enjoy my company over Chamomile Tea and short bread cookies, they should be either beaten or shot, and if you think Im a criminal, I would suggest your critical thinking skills are poor.
I have a Asian associate who was the victim of a home invasion, and what how he describe the ordeal what his family went through, pistol whipped, beaten and robbed, by the grace of God him and his family wasn't killed, I asked him what would he of done differently, his reply GET A GUN.
I can only conclude that most poeple posting in this thread are indeed criminals. that is one of the most ignorant statement ive read and spare me the ole guns kill people , self righteous argument bullshit please, its as old as my grandmothers nightgown
Until you go through what we went through and hopefully survive come back and tell me what you would do differently or how you feel about home invasion. | |
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| Kill a home invader... murder or self defense?
Posted: 1/9/2008 6:27:52 PM | wow is this a controversial subject or what!..personally shooting and killing someone would not be my option of choice if my home were being broke into..if i could hear the intruder,i would call the police immediately and then dart out the other door with my kids if possible..i'd let him take whatever his heart desired..material things can be replaced..i wouldn't lower myself to his level and sacrifice the freedom i have by killing him.
i would maim or knock the intruder out if i have the opportunity...why would i kill him?..the purpose is to stop the intrusion and the possibility of myself or my family getting hurt or killed not to take another person's life.i'll let the police apprehend him from there!! i know the justice system isn't always fair but at least i wouldn't have to live with the guilt of killing another human being for the rest of my life!
if i was physically attacked,i really honestly can't say what i would do until it happened..i would defend myself in any way i could, only opting for killing if there was absolutely no other way out of the situation
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| Kill a home invader... murder or self defense?
Posted: 1/9/2008 9:47:44 PM | im a law major so i can tell you the same thing a great New York Cop once told me.
if someone invades your house and you kill them, all you need to say in court is "i was scared, and i thought that he was going to kill me". the judge should let you off no question. "Mens Rai" means "intent". if they find intent that you were going out to kill someone, thats murder, but defending your home is not "intent" to murder someone. case closed people. i hope this helps all of you , peace | |
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