| DNA Registry...Should be worldwide and mandatory!
Posted: 1/7/2008 3:03:21 AM | | Here's a little scenario,you go into a conveinence store,egt your stuff and leave,DNA in the form of your hair or skin is left behind,the next guy comes in the store and robs it and kills the clerk but leaves nothing behind,the police come and find your DNA.....what are you going to do when they come to your door ??? this "if you have nothing to hide" nonsense is just that, scared rabbit nonsense and if this insanity ever happens you better damn well watch where you go and think could a crime happen here.The guilty until proven innocent crowd should just be thrown in jail until they can prove their innocence,i'm sure they won't mind....since they have nothing to hide. | |
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| DNA Registry...Should be worldwide and mandatory!
Posted: 1/7/2008 6:13:46 AM |
The State of Alabama does collect DNA on people with Felony convictions..doesn't matter if it is a violent crime or not...
I disagree OP..our Government Employees have problems keeping sensitive data on their laptops from being stolen...I remember because my husband was in the Military and I received notice that his name because he was a service member was in the data..all his personal history..I felt violated even though it was his history... because he had died before I received that letter..yes they did send that letter even with him gone....talk about rage..anyway....
No way I would trust ANYONE with my personal business..that is my God given right to keep private if I choose..what is this NEED for some people to know everything about a person??..I remember when their was a time you didn't even ask a woman her age..sheesh..where does it stop..
So do Texas and Illinois. | |
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| DNA Registry...Should be worldwide and mandatory!
Posted: 1/7/2008 10:27:51 AM | The Right To Privacy
The Constitution does not specifically mention a right to privacy. However, Supreme Court decisions over the years have established that the right to privacy is a basic human right, and as such is protected by virtue of the 9th Amendment. The right to privacy has come to the public's attention via several controversial Supreme Court rulings, including several dealing with contraception (the Griswold and Eisenstadt cases), interracial marriage (the Loving case), and abortion (the well-known Roe v Wade case). In addition, it is said that a right to privacy is inherent in many of the amendments in the Bill of Rights, such as the 3rd, the 4th's search and seizure limits, and the 5th's self-incrimination limit.
The right to privacy is protected, and people like the OPer wants to take it away. Mind you, I'll exercise my 2nd Amendment right if they try to invade it. I'll go from a whiney lib to angry gun totting conservative if i thought to gov tried to take away my rites. | |
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| DNA Registry...Should be worldwide and mandatory!
Posted: 1/7/2008 12:47:49 PM | I am totally against this idea.
Their is always the chance for abuse of the data and mistakes.
I also would NEVER volunteer to submit a DNA sample if asked by law enforcement unless I felt there was a good reason for it.
We all heard the story about a town or area police department that requested ALL men to submit a DNA sample to rule themselves out as suspects in a murder. Cops would ask them in malls and coffee shops etc That has actually happened. Unless I was directly involved with a victim, I would tell them to shove it. | |
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| DNA Registry...Should be worldwide and mandatory!
Posted: 1/7/2008 1:02:20 PM | Only a canadian would think that this is a good idea. Makes me glad to have been American. My words were intentional due to nationwide wire tapping of American Phone lines.
Dantares: What if you had an enemy who went through your trash and was to find the paper towels that you use to clean your residue. They put on a disguise and rape a woman. They wear a condom, but when they finish, they wipe your residue on the woman. Now, like it or not; You now are the rapist even as at the time, you were home playing monopoly with your wife & children. As if a canadian would ever play monopoly ? | |
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| DNA Registry...Should be worldwide and mandatory!
Posted: 1/7/2008 3:34:54 PM | I think the thing that really destroys this idea is when you start claiming its gotta be global- which always means that someone out there will have information on other countries citizens- and you will have to pay for these foreign governments
Its just not feasible. | |
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| DNA Registry...Should be worldwide and mandatory!
Posted: 1/7/2008 6:29:48 PM |
If you have nothing to hide, didn't rape or murder anyone, or get an unconscious or unwilling woman pregnant
So I am thinking about buying a knife at the store. I pick it up, open it and decide I don't want it...........5 minutes later, a guy walks in, buys it, and kills someone with it. Damn, my DNA is on that knife isn't it?? Maybe not, I am not real DNA savvy. | |
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| DNA Registry...Should be worldwide and mandatory!
Posted: 1/7/2008 9:59:49 PM | rsx11s says: " The irony of this prejudice amuses me to no end."
Well, sorry; rsx11s, but you would be hard pressed to find a knowledgable american that would be for this. Americans mostly are made of different stuff. Please get your hands on as many books as you can about the russian born author, Ayn Rand. If you do this, you will have a better understanding of Americans; without question. Read her book, " Atlas Shrugged " . | |
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| DNA Registry...Should be worldwide and mandatory!
Posted: 1/7/2008 10:49:19 PM | I disagree.
Imagine...One day in the near future, you lose your job. An employee with less experience, and less seniority takes over your position. They say you're not achieving your potential...however, the truth is that your DNA shows you have a family history of mental illness. The guy who got your job is 100% healthy.
Still a good idea? Consider who might have access to your DNA, and to what level of information will they be allowed? Is it really all in the name of safety or are we just offering up another form of governmental control???
Hrmmmm...then again...I might have read one too many Sci-Fi books.
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| DNA Registry...Should be worldwide and mandatory!
Posted: 1/9/2008 10:18:35 PM | Let's assume the OP's faith in DNA technology's well placed, couple of conclusions to draw upon:
1). As previously mentioned, healthcare/health insurance...your DNA (gotta take the whole package, your DNA will tell you about the statistical probability of your future health...it is only a statistical probability, but guess what insurance companies work off of?) may preclude you from getting insurance if you are a high risk factor for cancer, huntington's disease...etc. Afterall, insurance companies can only continue to exist if they take the "profitable" chances vise the high-risked ones. Or, let's say you are in a socialized medicine environment, no health insurance needed; well, socialized medicine fundementally works off of utilitarianism...so if your DNA indicates a high probability of a degenerative disease developing in your mid-twenties, i.e. muscular-dystrophy, and the socialized medicine organization would know about this because they belong to the government which owns the DNA registry, and in a world of exploding population, what's to prevent them from tilting the treatment in favor of those with a lower-probability of degerative disease in their DNA during a time of scarce resources?
2). Your DNA will also tell you the statistical probabilities of your child developing certain disease...now, for most people, something like Down's or PKU's an easy choice to make when it comes to abort or not to abort. But what if its something more, like Tay-Sachs? Where the child has approximately six months of normal growth, followed by severe deteroriation of the bodily nerves functions, slowly loosing sight, hearing, muscle control, and the ability to swallow...ending in a rather agonizing death around 4 to 5 years of age... What if the choice to have that child wasn't even yours? Let's not forget, the US Supreme Court has already ruled that the welfare and safety a child supercedes the parents' personal moral or religious views. How far of a step is it to "regulated mating?"
3). Let's take another moral question...say you are a records keeper at this DNA registry, and you get the data for a new born infant. Since you know the parents' information based on tracked information along with the DNA file, you happen to glace at the information on the parents. Just so happens that you are a very well trained records keeper, and you notice that it is scientifically impossible for the parents to produce the infant in question...inevitably, you conclude that one of the "parent" isn't the natural parent...what do you do with that information? There is no patient-doctor confidentiality in play here, just a records keeper and some data... What do you do if it's a healthy baby? Would your position change if it wasn't a healthy baby?
4). Worldwide registry...there's got to be at least one over-zealous graduate student some where who would like to write a report on the "reason for third-world poverty" gene, opening the door again to eugenics... | |
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| DNA Registry...Should be worldwide and mandatory!
Posted: 1/10/2008 12:27:12 PM | | yes it should be done. It would not only cover rapists, but pedifiles,killers etc. By the way charles, many a rapist and killer have not been caught because they wore a comdom. They were convicted of leaving a single stray hair or pubic hair behind. Or if the girl has scratched the guy, and left skin cells under her fingernails.And now a days, if the body is less than so many hours dead, they can lift finger prints off the skin with super glue. This is not science fiction it is real. They should also have a national fingerprint registry for anyone who has had a run in with the law. I also think it is also crazy, that a minor has his records sealed when he is 18. Kids can kill a parent or other person, spend 6 years in a nut house, and never have it on their police record. | |
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| DNA Registry...Should be worldwide and mandatory!
Posted: 1/21/2008 4:30:04 PM | I think it is an idea that is almost Past its time! YES YES YES!!
Those who protest either don't get the merits of such a notion or don't understand that it is just a 'step up' from footprinting babies in hospital. It is advancement in forensic science. Where once the fingerprint was the great identifier, now it is DNA.
A DNA Registry would do far more than 'just' help in catching criminals, esp those who commit violent acts - it would also go a long way in identifying the Jane and John Does out there. I'll tell you what - I definitely wish the registry had been available and enforced many many years ago. My sister has been missing for 20 years, perhaps I could have at least had some closure were there a DNA Registry available and mandatory. I'm also sure that the task force in BC would have greatly benefitted by the information such a registry would have provided during the sicko picton trials..
I think IF the government wanted to "frame" anyone, they wouldn't need a DNA Registry to do so .. hell, they've been doin that for years!! lol
I say Yes to the DNA Registry!! I also have nothing to hide!
A.S.is
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| DNA Registry...Should be worldwide and mandatory!
Posted: 1/21/2008 6:50:42 PM |
Americans mostly are made of different stuff. Please get your hands on as many books as you can about the russian born author, Ayn Rand. If you do this, you will have a better understanding of Americans; without question. Read her book, " Atlas Shrugged "
I lived in Los Angeles for 10 years. I agree with the majority that feel Ayn Rand is a dangerous lunatic. She has some good points, but so did Hitler when he built the autobahn. But overall you want neither being in charge. | |
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| DNA Registry...Should be worldwide and mandatory!
Posted: 1/21/2008 7:29:21 PM | All of us have a point at which we would be willing to become terriorists, pick up a gun or make a bomb, to die for a cause; you know a line which will not be crossed. Anyone who doesn't know what they would die for hasn't come to the understanding of what living is all about. Today it seems most people think everything can be mediated. Truth is whatever one might believe it to be. Fortunately, the people who carved and wrestled this country from the slavery to others, had principal - give me liberty or give me death, a cause they believed worth dying for. I would have to say that DNA registry would enough to make me stop and think what I was willing to die for and who I was willing to take out to preserve my freedom.........
You know, if what is proposed would be the only thing it would be used for ...well maybe that would be a good idea. Unfortunately, there are those who would strive to do more with it.......the world has more than it's share of evil people striving to become dominant over someone else...the America I grew up in is not the America of today. People have always been willing to give up their freedoms (little at a time) in the exchange for a hollow promise of greater protection. When did your local policeman show up prior to the crime to prevent it? | |
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| DNA Registry...Should be worldwide and mandatory!
Posted: 1/21/2008 7:42:53 PM | I don't think it is necessary. Fingerprints are accurate enough to identify someone. In the case where a crime was committed, the DNA evidence can be obtained when the defendant is taken into custody. Why waist the money to have another file generated on all the citizens? There is already enough files on us thank you.
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| DNA Registry...Should be worldwide and mandatory!
Posted: 1/22/2008 1:07:22 AM | read the charter
this is an irrelevant topic
it cannot happen no matter who votes or tries to pass a bill
it is an invasion of privacy and the right to be innocent until proven guilty etc etc the list goes on and on | |
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