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| Can someone explain 'metal' To this Old Chick?
Posted: 1/9/2008 7:16:50 PM | Seems totally incongruous to me...but I'll check King Diamond out.....
I feel like I'm entering a different planet on someone else's starship
You guys are really out there ! | |
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| Can someone explain 'metal' To this Old Chick?
Posted: 1/9/2008 9:02:47 PM | King diamond bleh.
it all depends on what genre of metal you're trying to discover, so i'll give you a little of everything.
carpathian forest- black metal
bolt thrower- death metal
necrophagist- tech death
gamma ray- heavy/power metal
einherjer- folk metal
orkrist- epic folk metal
sodom- thrash metal
sonata arctica- power metal
edguy- speed metal
communic- progressive metal
There you can get a lil bit of everything and most of them can be found through myspaces music search. if you find a genre you are interested in, let me know and i can reccomend more of that particular genre. | |
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| Can someone explain 'metal' To this Old Chick?
Posted: 1/10/2008 7:42:46 AM |
I consider myself a music lover....everything from Classical, Folk, Reggae, Blues, Rock, Opera, Latin, Rennaisance, you name It
But when Metal is featured, I just wann' Walk....not stay......It seems so violent to me.....Crashing and bashing...
Now don't get me wrong I'm not saying its bad.....I just can't get any feeling for it....It must be totally an Age thing ?
What is it with Metal..?..Please state your feelings on the subject so I can better understand this music......
Perhaps suggest a few bands I can ease myself into...as I'm very ignorant on the genre.......
Metal was/is genre that achieved it's maximum popularity in the 80's and early 90's.
It seems to have been an offshoot of earlier hard rock groups such as Motorhead and to some extent Led Zepplin.
It also seems to have been a backlash to the immense popularity of disco in the 70's and early 80's.
It concentrated on guitar solos and thunderous drum sessions rather song lyrics and show presentation.
The grunge movement of the early 90's and rap/hip-hops increasing popularity from that era largely spelled the widespread end of metal.
Although there are some revival tours of older metal groups and some "pseudo-metal" offshoots like Slipknot,metal is a genre that has largely passed from the scene.
Metal is still popular but it has nowhere near the popularity of its heyday. | |
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| Can someone explain 'metal' To this Old Chick?
Posted: 1/10/2008 8:33:39 PM | So your asking about the stereotype? Because that is how I read your post.
'Every 'metal head' is angry, uneducated and only listens to metal? '
Ouch! what an assumption. I'm a fan of metal, rap,classic rock, classical and even opera. In the same week I was in a mosh pit and attended the Ballet in Lincoln Center. I'm also Ivy League educated. I am not the only one. Just as you have diversity in your musical preferences so can people who are into metal. I appreciate and respect, that your trying to get a better understanding and are trying to listen to it. | |
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| Can someone explain 'metal' To this Old Chick?
Posted: 1/12/2008 10:25:59 AM |
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King Diamond is great! I grew up on Mercyful Fate and King Diamond! King is the king of metal!! \mm/
I never really got interested in him, i think he's kinda retarded, like the amazing kat...she's retarded too roflz. | |
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| Can someone explain 'metal' To this Old Chick?
Posted: 1/12/2008 2:22:48 PM |
I really think I have a tough time with it because its more about electric guitars, and very little keyboard
Also perhaps about the devil, death etc.......?
It really is an 80's music phenomenon.....wouldn't you agree?
Yes, a lot of metal's themes are death, destruction, etc., but as one very articulate poster put it, the themes run deeper into anti-government, power, sometimes white supremecy, etc. If it's in the news, then it's fodder.
*I* personally like the intensity. I don't listen to it all the time. As a Belmont Univeristy graduate with degree in commercial jazz trumpet and minors in theatre and percussion, I've been exposed to all the great, not-so-great and mediocre music that exists for decomposing, analysis and historical context. But when I'm so creatively intense I can't even sleep, I listen to it. Tool is just one of my favourites, although I'm definitely not sure if the purists would include them. I must admit, I do tend to listen to bands that are more melodic. The reason I love Tool is because they mess with Time Signatures as well as Key Sigs, and because they know the rules of music theory so well, they're able to deviate from them in brilliant ways.
Another one of my favourites is Disturbed. Don't let these names put you off. Disturbed is a Chicago-based band who gained recognition from their lead singer, David Draiman, because his articulation was so exquisite, you could actually understand the lyrics being sung. Of course I think they're just hard rock, but very intense, nonetheless.
As a published writer, I also listen to various genres to get me in the right head space while writing. If it's comedy, then I usually listen to something upbeat; for intensity, metal or rock; for victorian fiction, then it's something like baroque classical--Mozart, Handel, Beethoven; if it's web-design I'm doing, then something lively giving me energy--RUSH, Roland Orzabal, Peter Gabriel, Collective Soul, etc.
The Bible distinctly describes the emotional power involved in music and how one King was so tormented with a demon that it was only Paul's harp that drove it out. So I've always believed in the emotional power of music.
But, I listen to what moves me. Music is my intellectual and emotional turn-on. Maybe that will help you to understand it better.
Best,
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| Can someone explain 'metal' To this Old Chick?
Posted: 1/12/2008 2:39:24 PM |
I never really got interested in him, i think he's kinda retarded, like the amazing kat...she's retarded too roflz.
roflcopter Great Kat is too funny for me. A friend of mine was into her... he showed me photos of her it was too hard for me to take her seriously but I didn't mind the music as much.
But still Six Feet Under's music video "Amerika The Brutal" makes me laugh non-stop. | |
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| Can someone explain 'metal' To this Old Chick?
Posted: 1/14/2008 4:21:51 AM | Best way I can describe metal is focused punk. Yes metal is angry, violent and aggressive but it can also contain a serious message. There are a huge number of variants of metal from the Mellow(esk) sounds of Iron Maiden, Sabbath and Metallica through to the insanely fast and highly taste aquired sound of Napalm Death.
You either get it or you don't IMHO. :-) | |
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| Can someone explain 'metal' To this Old Chick?
Posted: 1/14/2008 8:53:25 AM | OpusCroakus, must your posts always sound like a resume? No offense, but you did the same thing in the perfect pitch thread.
OP: Clear answer about Metal. Distortion distortion distortion. We were playing with what a Marshall sounds like on 12 or 13 by pumping up the tubes. When you dump that much preamp into the power amp, you have to increase the tube bias of the output tubes. Now, guess what happens when you do that? You loose a good chunk of midrange due to compression. You get Metallic "Crunch" and sustain through feedback. The older Fender Bass Guitar heads where also a popular model to hot wire because it already had the low end to "Thunk".
Harness this hot wired head to a decent speaker cabinet (Marshall 1960 series comes to mind) and you've got the Heavy Metal guitar sound. Without this particular sound, Heavy Metal does not exist, it's Hard Rock.
So, it wasn't just the Music, it was about pushing the envelope, getting your rig to scream and the guitar REALLY "Hot" in your hands. The Sonic Qualities that this sound has lends itself greatly to Dive Bombs, Scratching, Fast Picking, two-hand tapping, etc. In fact, you really can't help yourself... It's too much fun not to play like a mad man with this sound.
Rock On!
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| Can someone explain 'metal' To this Old Chick?
Posted: 1/14/2008 1:37:01 PM |
OpusCroakus, must your posts always sound like a resume? No offense, but you did the same thing in the perfect pitch thread.
Most certainly offended. First, the phrase "no offense" does NOT give anyone license to just say whatever they like without consequences. You were bothered by it, obviously, or you wouldn't have taken precious time out of your busy crunching to respond, and THEN to insult it.
I ran down my qualifications in the PP thread so those who were actually interested in conversing the issue would know at least I knew what I was talking about. You, however, were too busy droning on about how wonderful a guitar player you were, how much equipment you use and how YOU don't have PP. Interesting....zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Don't critique my posts. Don't even reply to them. There are OTHER opinions besides your own. There is no "clear" answer to anything.
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| Can someone explain 'metal' To this Old Chick?
Posted: 1/14/2008 2:22:24 PM | You do NOT need to post your qualifications in every thread. Accept my apology, but to me, when a person does that, not only does it show their insecurity, but makes you come off as a know it all before you even post to the topic. Take it as constructive criticism, I really meant no offense and HOPED that you could view it as some of us do.
In this thread, I explained HOW the sound was generated and that this came first, not the music. That's why 80's Marshall and Fender heads are still worth so much. Are you going to tell me next that you have a degree in electronics and can mod an amp better than I can next?
You sound like you think people will not respect your opinion based on your posts (not true) and not the merit and intelligence of which it was crafted.
No need to toot one's own horn all the time.
And I didn't go on about anything, I got tired of watching you argue theory with the other guy in a thread on PPM. SOMEONE had to break that up.
Talking about ZZZZZZZZ????
Peace Sister... | |
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| Can someone explain 'metal' To this Old Chick?
Posted: 1/14/2008 2:43:51 PM | Metal is one thing: Energy.
Those who want energy and swiftness in the music usually find it in metal. Punk is like that but does a more simplistic songstyle. Metal is more about the symphony of sound in all of it's bombastic glory. The composition is heavily inspired by the works of Richard Wagner, Jean Sibelius, Gustav Mahler, Niccolo Paganini, Edvard Grieg, Nikolai Rimsky-Korsakov and Franz Liszt. Instrumentally, it derives from the Doors, Led Zeppelin and what not. The lyrics are taken from a "we couldn't care" take on the early punk acts and 60's rock acts.
The sound itself is derived from various influences of 60's garage rock and late 70's industrial rock music. This is probably where it starts losing you. | |
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| Can someone explain 'metal' To this Old Chick?
Posted: 1/14/2008 4:12:41 PM | I consider myself a music lover....everything from Classical, Folk, Reggae, Blues, Rock, Opera, Latin, Rennaisance, you name It
IMHO, anyone who says that listen to just about anything has not taken the time to realize what all that encompasses. Yes, you named a few, but there are sooooooo many more. How about Goth, Funk, Gangsta Rap, Hip Hop, Ska, Punk, Electronica, Techno, Country, New Age, Industrial, Polka, R&B, or Jazz...just to name a few that you missed.
Best way I can describe metal is focused punk.
Someone would have to explain this one to me. While I do see similarities between the two genres such as fast drums and heavily distorted guitars, I am not finding how metal is more focused. Some of my favorite punk bands are NOFX, Operation Ivy, Me First And The Gimmie Gimmies, and Rancid. Now comparing them to what I know of metal, I don't see how metal would be considered more focused. If anything, I would consider it to be just the opposite. I would actually consider it to be more amplified and obscure. | |
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| Can someone explain 'metal' To this Old Chick?
Posted: 1/14/2008 4:14:02 PM | You do NOT need to post your qualifications in every thread.
I haven't. However, the posts on PP and this one were the first posts I'd made, so it only seemed fair to show I wasn't some dumb idiot spouting crap without substantiation.
Accept my apology, but to me,
This isn't even close to an apology; when you add an apologia to it such as BUT...then when you have to qualify and justify it, it isn't an apology. The classic is when people say stupid things like, "I'm sorry you're upset." That isn't an apology; that's not the person taking culpability for their actions, it's a pious position that says they're sorry the person was too stupid to understand their POV and then got upset about it. This apology from you smells deeply of that.
but to me, when a person does that, not only does it show their insecurity, but makes you come off as a know it all before you even post to the topic.
I'm far from insecure; you don't know me, and you are making judgements of me you far from qualified to make. I already explained why I did it.
Are you going to tell me next that you have a degree in electronics and can mod an amp better than I can next?
Better?? Competitive much? This isn't a game. Yes, I know a lot about electronics, which is one big perk in going to school for commercial music. Der.
You sound like you think people will not respect your opinion based on your posts (not true) and not the merit and intelligence of which it was crafted.
You betcha. You've never hung around Usenet much, have you? I've posted in public forums for a long time and yes, this is the attitude with which almost every poster is met. Forums and Usenet: the last bastion of the ignorant, as a general rule. So, I've learned to cut out the middle man, state my educational experience and go from there. And you say some of "us"?? Who? You've been the only one to have a problem with what I've said and how I've said it. Like I said, easy enough to just not respond or reply to mine any longer.
And I didn't go on about anything, I got tired of watching you argue theory with the other guy in a thread on PPM. SOMEONE had to break that up.
Go back and read the thread again. You are good at revisionist history. *I* was the one who told him I wasn't going to argue and that we needed to get back on topic, not you.
You're biting at me for the same things you've done in your own posts, but you don't see me jumping your tail for it, and offering what *appears* to be an apology do you? Nope. People have opinions, and those different from mine or yours. For some reason I've rubbed you the wrong way--fine, it happens and I have no problem with it. I'm secure enough to say, eh, whatever. But I'd kindly suggest you analyse why I appear such a threat and hindrance to your forum pleasure.
I've done nothing wrong, and I apologise to the rest for this guy getting us off-topic and my responding to it.
The composition is heavily inspired by the works of Richard Wagner, Jean Sibelius, Gustav Mahler, Niccolo Paganini, Edvard Grieg, Nikolai Rimsky-Korsakov and Franz Liszt.
Excellent! And I'd add Tchaikovsky to that as well. Rite of Spring is one of THE most intense and metallic pieces I'd ever heard.
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