| If we never developed speech
Posted: 2/4/2008 10:23:54 AM | | Pre-humans probably developed signals as a language before oral one, so says a theory in anthro. Religion isn't about speech to me, it IS about the brain. We can see things, but when we can't reason them out, we have to "blame" someone. Humans are called "meaning-makers". When we don't understand something, we come up with explanations which may or may not be based on fact. For a recent example, that stupid man on Mars thing that people "saw" in the photos; or that Jesus in the marble thing. The human nervous system is designed to see faces and human forms where there are none. | |
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| If we never developed speech
Posted: 2/4/2008 1:34:35 PM | Hmm I think we would have. When you look at various animal species they all have their own animal culture from wolves, elephants etc. Elephants gave been known to pass knowledge down through their matriarchial society and if you kill out the matriarchs, the younger animals are lost when it comes to migratory patterns etc.
I think it may change what our religion developed into, but in our need to understand our surroundings we would have devloped modes of communication, social structure, and yes...religion. | |
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| If we never developed speech
Posted: 2/7/2008 12:05:36 AM | Why bury people? Why not use the meat?
All tribes did not bury their dead! Some tribes would hang the dead in trees! But on the same token the reason for geting rid of the dead was for the animals. A dead human is meat which does attract animals. Dispose of the dead for necessity and survival but make it in a spiritual manner for mourning purposes!
Now on the same token some tribes do eat the dead. They go as far as crushing the bones of their dead and drinking it in a soup as a ritual. The belief is that by drinking the dead that some of that persons traits become a part of them. Now in reality the human bones made a very good source of calcium which was very healthy for the living. But what makes a tribe (group of people) chose to eat their dead in a ritual, hang the dead in trees on holy ground, or bury their dead on holy ground? | |
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| If we never developed speech
Posted: 2/7/2008 2:14:00 PM | | Humans have been hunting for at least 2.5 million years. Communication, through co-operation, does not always need language as we use it today. Language is over relied on, it is a useful tool for liars and the overtly sincere to pontificate. If you really want to understand humans, what goes on inside, the real language is through observation. Every movement is the result of an internal processes, most non biological. I mean the complete person head to foot not hidden behind desks etc. Watch the way a person eats, is it fast, slow, whatever. How do they manipulate their hands or fork, do they chomp, shovel it in, chew daintily etc. They are giving themselves away, showing you what they are like inside and how they operate, how they think and approach life in general. Chimpanzees and other primates, still practice this, where the hairs attached to the skin surface exaggerate any slight muscle movement, showing their state of mind and readiness for action to others, preparing the ground for the immediate future. Words are for the romantics, liars and cheats, you can tell the future through observing behaviour like a chimpanzee does, or be human an listen to the words, where the intentions and such fool everyone as the expert liars our politicians demonstrate, as they lead us to hell through sugary coated sincere words. | |
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| If we never developed speech
Posted: 2/7/2008 2:26:52 PM | body language is more important in communication!
"According to Mehrabian, these three elements account differently for our liking for the person who puts forward the message: words account for 7%, tone of voice accounts for 38%, and body language accounts for 55% of the liking. They are often abbreviated as the "3 Vs" for Verbal, Vocal & Visual."
so, let's talk body language!
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| If we never developed speech
Posted: 2/7/2008 3:28:03 PM |
If humans never devoped their voice boxes and created language, would religion exist?
Very likely. Have you ever asked yourself what religion really is?
Those crazy cooks who thought god spoke to them wouldnt be able to write the bible.
If you think the bible is about God, then you are just as crazy as those crazy cooks you are talking about. The bible is an astrology/cosmology book in disguise, and rightly so. None of the references in the bible should be taken to refer to real people or places her on earth, but rather to celestial bodies in space.
If we hadnt developed communication, someone who was bored one day wouldnt have ever got to create god and make other beleive him......
You obviously don't know the purpose of God in human affairs. | |
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JD211
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| If we never developed speech
Posted: 2/18/2008 7:37:46 AM | Early humans worshipped fire upon its discovery, long before any coherent spoken language was formed. So in some form yes, in the sense of religion being that we admired a greater power and chose to follow its ways. Also god wasn't created by someone bored, the early religions were based upon multiple gods and they were created as a way to explain unexplainable natural happenings.
Yet early man did use body language and a series of grunts/sounds to communicate. | |
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lignin
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| If we never developed speech
Posted: 2/18/2008 8:09:23 AM | If we never developed.... what? What speech? Sign language? If that is equivalent to speech, or if a radio link doesn't break a definition of it, then maybe wolf packs have 'speech', but just not audible, or english.
What I'm wondering is whether 'speech', looked at closely, mayn't be an indefinitely evolved or changed 'system'(whatever worked), all the way from bacteria leaking chemicals and reacting to each other, and so on upwards to the Emperors raised eyebrow meaning "For you, the war is over".
So, perhaps 'we' (ook, ook) always have had 'speech', in some form. | |
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| If we never developed speech
Posted: 2/18/2008 11:07:27 AM |
Early humans worshipped fire upon its discovery, long before any coherent spoken language was formed.
We have no way of knowing what early humans thought of fire. | |
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JD211
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Joined: 4/17/2006
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| If we never developed speech
Posted: 2/18/2008 11:34:14 AM | | We also have no way of knowing if religion would exist without verbal communication, its all best guess, and they would have revered and respected it, much the same as any god. | |
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