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 GrandmaBooBoo

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could you live without your tv
Posted: 3/7/2008 12:17:44 PM

Now can all the people who can live without TV live without their computer and these forums???
Big difference!!!! HUGE!!!!

I can't pay my bills on TV. I can't book a hotel room on TV. I can't send a 2 second message to family and friends who live in other states on TV. I can't order new vacuum cleaner bags on TV. I can't look up the answer to any question on TV. I can't check spelling or word definitions on TV. I can't plan a new deck or redesign landscaping on TV. Shall I continue? NOT everyone who depends on their computer is so limited that all the do is chat and read forums. Now, if you'll excuse me...I have to go track down an electrical service manual for a 1990 Buick Park Ave for my dad...and they DON'T have those on TV.
 poly_1der

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Posted: 3/7/2008 1:17:10 PM
Oh, in a heartbeat! My computer, on the other hand, not so much.
 Montreal_Guy

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Posted: 3/7/2008 4:28:00 PM
My TV's been pretty much unplugged for the last four years.

It's good to watch DVD's on, or to record movies on the free movie network that's part of my package. With the reduction I get from my internet provider for both services, it's almost not worth canceling - and that's the only reason why I still have a cable TV plan.

With my DVD recorder, I can set it up to record movies until the cows come home, totally free of any charges. On DVD , they'll last as long as I will.

I can do the same for any shows I like, and "gang record" them for later viewing.

I can then watch them when I want, without commercial breaks.

When my computer broke down, and when I was busy building my new one, I was forced to watch TV occasionally - and I really noticed the "mentality" of it in a brand new way. It was very difficult to endure, to be honest.

One sits there, and gives over control to the broadcaster.

After exposure to the internet, that doesn't work for me any more. There are too many commercials, it's simply too inflexible for me, and I don't need "talking heads" with six second sound bytes telling me how to think anymore.

Bruce was right....


Well now home entertainment was my baby's wish
So I hopped into town for a satellite dish
I tied it to the top of my Japanese car
I came home and I pointed it out into the stars
A message came back from the great beyond
There's fifty-seven channels and nothin' on

Well we might'a made some friends with some billionaires
We might'a got all nice and friendly
If we'd made it upstairs
All I got was a note that said "Bye-bye John
Our love is fifty-seven channels and nothin' on"

So I bought a .44 magnum it was solid steel cast
And in the blessed name of Elvis well I just let it blast
'Til my TV lay in pieces there at my feet
And they busted me for disturbin' the almighty peace
Judge said "What you got in your defense son?"
"Fifty-seven channels and nothin' on"
I can see by your eyes friend you're just about gone
Fifty-seven channels and nothin' on...
Fifty-seven channels and nothin'


Copyright © 1992 Bruce Springsteen (ASCAP)


He wrote that sixteen years ago ? What a visionary.....

Now it's even worse, with 5700 channels , and "Hi Def" that's actually looks better than real life is (a friend of mine actually said that, when describing what Hi-Def looked like, btw...) ......

You know, if TV was considered a drug, it would be illegal.
 belle.la.donna

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Posted: 3/7/2008 4:31:12 PM
Of course I could. But, why would I want to? I don't turn it on every day, but when I want to watch it, it is there.
 friendlyldy

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Posted: 3/7/2008 7:57:35 PM
I can't believe all the people who say that they don't watch TV or have it unplugged or don't turn it on for days. I grew up when TV was first invented and it was a major family activity. We would all sit around and watch Disney and then Ed Sullivan on Sunday nights. We watched the Olympics for the first time on TV. We watched man landing on the moon. We watched educational TV shows about Hawaii's volcanos and earthquakes and polar bears and wolves. We watched Laugh In and Archie Bunker.

I guess I have to confess............I still find a lot of great stuff to watch on tv and I still enjoy it..........I still watch the educational tv, the ice skating, football games, murder mysteries like Poirot, Nero Wolfe............Law N Order.......... I watch the political debates to learn about the candidates............

Am I the only one who sees value in it?
 Montreal_Guy

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Posted: 3/7/2008 8:36:42 PM

I grew up when TV was first invented and it was a major family activity. We would all sit around and watch Disney and then Ed Sullivan on Sunday nights. We watched the Olympics for the first time on TV. We watched man landing on the moon. We watched educational TV shows about Hawaii's volcanos and earthquakes and polar bears and wolves. We watched Laugh In and Archie Bunker.


I did, too.

The internet wasn't around then, and had it been, I'm afraid those things would have never occurred, or they would have occurred differently.

The essential problem is that the medium of the Internet has permanently altered the perception of what media is, in a very McLuhanesque way.


" McLuhan's theory was that a medium affects the society in which it plays a role not by the content delivered over the medium, but by the characteristics of the medium itself. McLuhan pointed to the light bulb as a clear demonstration of this concept. A light bulb does not have content in the way that a newspaper has articles or a television has programs, yet it is a medium that has a social effect; that is, a light bulb enables people to create spaces during nighttime that would otherwise be enveloped by darkness. He describes the light bulb as a medium without any content. McLuhan states that "a light bulb creates an environment by its mere presence." More controversially, he postulated that content had little effect on society –- in other words, it did not matter if television broadcasts children's shows or violent programming, to illustrate one example -– the effect of television on society would be identical. He noted that all media have characteristics that engage the viewer in different ways; for instance, a passage in a book could be reread at will, but a movie had to be screened again in its entirety to study any individual part of it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_McLuhan


That's the crux of the matter, and the reason TV (as we know it) no longer is seen as relevant by so many people.

Here's another look at the reasons, again in a way McLuhan would understand perfectly. It almost sounds like the writer is channeling him, in certain ways.


Television is passive and the Internet is active. This is rule #1 in understanding the trout we're trying to catch, and I cannot possibly overstate its importance. The person with a hand on the mouse is absolutely in charge. You will not, can not overcome this reality. The instant you attempt to sidestep this truth, you've lost the user - and likely for a very long time. Internet users don't want to be held by the hand. They want to use what they've been taught, not sit through lectures they don't need. Nowhere is this truer than with local weather. Give me the forecast, but let me play with the toys you use.

Broadcasters are used to having it their way. They determine what people watch, when they watch it, the number of commercials they have to endure, and so forth. Broadcasters originally denied the influence of remote control devices only to learn that a great many people click the moment their program goes to a commercial break. I know many people who watch several programs at once by simply switching back and forth during commercials. The control an Internet user has is far, far greater than one equipped merely with a remote.

None of the fundamental assumptions of broadcasting apply with the Internet. It's a completely different communications medium. For example:

* All things to all people. The fundamental reality about broadcasting assumes that a single entity can provide programming that will serve the masses. It worked in the early days of TV, but the extent to which broadcasters cling to this belief in the 21st century amazes me. The Internet works on the basis of narrowcasting, but even the 'casting' is erroneous thinking.

* Daypart programming. The Internet allows people to do what they want when they want it. And given the staggering numbers of people who access the Web on-the-job, it's critically important that information providers realize that 'once-a-day' simply can't and won't work. The Internet is 24/7, something smart providers understand completely.

* Managing audience flow. The audience will manage itself, thank you very much. While I think it's possible to promote upcoming events, etc., it's dangerous to do so DURING the process of serving the user's entertainment or information wants and needs. Always remember rule #1. You, as a provider, are not in charge.

* Commercial interruptions. I was in broadcasting when we actually used this term. I like it, because it's honest. It speaks the truth about selling on TV. Programming is interrupted for commercials. Attempts to do this on the Internet are ultimately self-defeating, because of rule #1. I'm a strong supporter of Flash ads on the Web, but the extent to which they interrupt the user's experience is a massive turn-off. There are ways to use the technology to create wonderfully effective ads without interfering with the user's experience. The most important person a station could hire would be the top Flash person in the market to work with the sales department in creating such ads.

* Homogeneity of product. What's slowly killing television news would kill Internet video news even quicker. Information providers simply must tailor their presentations to be hyper-local, and that includes a deep respect for the personality and tastes of the community being served.

* People follow people. This is a critical truth for broadcasters to understand. Given its nature and ability to reach mass audiences, broadcasting has done more to create and maintain celebrities than any medium ever created. It's been a symbiotic relationship since broadcasting first came on the scene, but the nature of the Internet means an information provider doesn't need celebrities to provide quality information to users. This is a bitter pill to swallow, but to Internet users, a quick and easy method of getting information is more important than developing a relationship with the people providing the information. I believe there will always be a place for storytellers in the video news business, but the days of the star anchor are surely numbered.

* More is better. Reach and frequency don't apply, no matter what your mind tells you. You don't need a mass audience to be successful. You merely need to help sponsors sell their products. In fact, the 'more is better' mindset will actually block creative attempts to do business on the Web. This means an entirely new advertising paradigm, but that's the subject of another essay.

* Captive audience. This one directly relates to rule #1. Broadcasters' processes and procedures are built on the assumption that when a viewer is on their channel, they are - at least for the moment - theirs to serve. Nowhere is this more evident than when stations interrupt programming for news bulletins or weather events. The Internet offers ways to alert users without interrupting their experience, and news providers would be wise to accept that.

For the time being, Internet users are above-average in intelligence. The current television-programming trend of appealing to the lowest common denominator is a recipe for disaster on the Internet. Always remember than the mouse is far more powerful than the remote control.

http://www.tvspy.com/nexttv/nexttvcolumn.cfm?t_
nexttv_id=1741&page=1&t_content_cat_id=30


I agree with almost all of the above points, except the one about Internet users are above average in intelligence (as a group). Maybe I've been on the net , and it's fora, for far too long.

Right now, the Internet has leveled the playing field for everyone. With the incredible drop in costs of such things as computers and digital cameras, the individual can now compete directly with a corporation.

Film makers can make films, of almost professional quality, and post them on the internet for free. Sites like Lulu.com allow content to be sold to a mass audience , for free.

E-Bay has turned every computer that wants to be one into a store on Main Street in your town - essentially for free (if you compare it to running a traditional "physical" store.

It's the same impact that Gutenberg had with the invention of the printing press, but multiplied a million times. In this case, every house has it's own printing press.
 ctcharisma

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Posted: 3/7/2008 8:37:06 PM
My TV stays off for the most part, unless I'm watching a movie. I alomst NEVER watch it. But as someone else has already said, don't you try to take away my computer...
 betterlate

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Posted: 3/9/2008 5:42:45 PM
I am giving away all of my TVs, and turning off the cable, I realized a long time ago that it is about half and half. Half commercials, trying to sell something and half crap, the things I do like to watch are documentaries, national geographic, discovery and the science channel, but I hate that bearded man so much he yells at you about light switches, oxegyn powder and some other stuff and I decided why am I paying about a hundred bucks a month to have this commercial yelling at me.

When cable came out, the reason people were willing to pay for it was to avoid commercials, well that didnt last long now did it? So in a national protest starting April 15th, Me and about 300,000 other people are protesting by turning it off, getting rid of the TVs, and not buying anything on the 15th.

Then one huge corporation at a time, refusing to buy from them, then they go down. then on to the next one... I found the site off of the ron paul site.. if you all are interested. take back our country..
 psunit

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Posted: 3/12/2008 7:56:06 PM
got news for you....have tried it and the TV and puter won!! I am a slave to it because it allows me to talk to my kids in DC and I can watch football I normally can't watch here. I am HOOKED!!! You all must be pretty miserable to give up your TV's and your cable. Nothing wrong with what you are doing, I just can't relate to depriving yourself of things you really want to watch. I am sorry, I want my cable!!!
 friendlyldy

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Posted: 3/12/2008 7:59:58 PM
Speaking of tvs, I watched a concert of 50's, 60's and 70's music, the other night and they kept showing pictures of all these old men and women dancing and swaying to the music............. It was great.............The music still moves us!
 parrothead 13

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Posted: 3/13/2008 2:31:36 PM
i like some tv but on the whole i would rather read a good book. like to keep up on news and weather though so i watch that daily and boy do i love jennifer love hewitt so i watch ghost whisperer, chic flick or not! the old parrothead
 packrat500

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Posted: 3/18/2008 5:19:01 PM
t.v. yes. computer, maybe. just don't take away my radio. there is so much crap on t.v. nowadays and i can't find anything good to watch. i get probally over a hundred channels on the system i have and i only watch 5-10 of them. so, sometimes i would rather crank up the radio.

 42 4 U

Joined: 2/18/2008
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Posted: 3/18/2008 10:33:32 PM
The only shows I watch are Survivor,nature of things and sometimes Bones (she's hot or my name is Earl(that show's too funny Or if theres a live music show.
So yes,I could easily live without it.In summer,I'm always out doing things and don't bother turning it on much.I don't have cable,haven't for 15 years.
Commercials suck they should pay us 25 cents for every one we watch Its a shame how much time people waste watching TV when they could be out doing things.
 TheS0urce

Joined: 2/7/2008
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Posted: 3/18/2008 11:44:43 PM
Sure I can, I would just workout more or read. I do watch movies online but the movies lately beginning to suck. TV is nothing but reality shows and reruns, it is getting real boring with tv anyways.
 Gotapulse

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Posted: 3/19/2008 3:19:16 AM
Meh, I haven't sat down and watched a full hour of television in probably two or three years. Prior to that it was probably two or three years since I'd watched T.V. for any length of time.

I dunno, some of the stuff on television now is great. I love the history channel and anything to do with th sciences. That said, whatever they're showing me I can almost certainly find somewhere else and get a better version of it at the same time. For example, if the History Channel shows some documentary on ancient Rome, I'd probably love to watch it. Problem is that you can't get much more than your interest piqued by a program like that since it's only a couple hours long. Even a mini-series can't cover the history of Rome. So, I'd rather read a book about it.

The main reason I don't watch television anymore though is because of the proliferation of 'reality television'. What a misnomer. Not only is it about as far from reality as one can get without drugs , it's probably the most inane drivel ever produced. Really lowers the bar. If I didn't know any better , I'd think there was a plot to turn us all into drooling idiots by feeding us this garbage.

Anyway, I don't look down on people who watch television or anything. There's nothing wrong with it as a means of passing the time. Of course, the reason I don't watch the boob-tube anymore is because I think it's more than just a waste of time . I think people are actually worse off for spending an hour in front of that thing than if they'd simply sat staring at the wall. Seriously.

Mostly though, the internet has given me no reason to ever feel the need for a television again. The problem with television is that you don't really choose what you watch. You choose from a list of what somebody else wants you to watch. This is just too narrow for anybody who actually wants to learn something. With the internet, if you want to know something , just type it into your browser and voila ! You can be educated. Of course, you have to be careful because it's difficult for some folks to recognize one type of site from another. Even the truly savvy have no way of knowing the difference between a 'bad' site and a 'good' one. I can't just take somebody's word about something just because it says so on the internet.

Ultimately though, the internet is educating people and broadening their horizons all over again. There's positive and negative about the medium of course but overall, its value to society , it's possibilities make television look like a Model T at the Indy 500. There's just no comparison.

I don't know what the future of television is but I know it won't resemble what's on the air today fifty years hence. The basic idea of television will be around though , of that much I'm sure.
 mystriya

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Posted: 3/19/2008 5:59:55 PM
Yes!!!! Great day is had when the tele is off! I have gotten used to turning the channel on every day at the same time in the morning and watching the weather channel. That being the only time of the day I watch. I Have a 3yr old daughter and she has to be a good girl for ether of us to watch the tele. At first I thought why am I being punished because u weren't listening at daycare. None the less I have been preaching that the don't do what I do, theory, do what I say, Is a flawed concept. So now that Im paying more attention to my life and my family I cant believe I wanted to do anything else.
Of course all she wants to watch is cartoons its still give me a chance to participate in preparing her to be a thinker and a do'er than a sitter and a watcher.

Oh and! My Grand mother(god rest her soul) called it an iddi-ot box. Because we look like a idiots with our mouth wide open looking at the tele.

Ignorance is not bliss
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 Mr. Ivan

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Posted: 3/19/2008 6:59:46 PM
I don't even use my TV anymore. It's just there. You can pretty much see, hear and read more on the Internet.
 poly_1der

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Posted: 3/27/2008 12:12:26 PM
Well, I usually only turn it on for the Lawrence Welk Show, and I'm NOT gonna give that up...he's not gonna be around forever, you know!
 edmonfella

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Posted: 3/27/2008 6:43:09 PM
Most of you seem to think that there is nothing of any value on TV and sitting in front of it makes you an idiot.

A television is a device. much like the internet, a telephone, a cell phone, a radio etc...

You get out it what you choose to peruse...

You can watch stupid shows and perhaps not learn anything.
You can use your computer to view not much else than porn and POF forums and not learn anything either.
You can listen to nothing but top 40 radio and not learn anything.

etc...etc...etc..
I choose to use ALL available sources for information.

Why limit yourself?

Not watching TV does NOT make you smarter or better than those who do.

Give your head a shake.

I learn from EVERYTHING I do.
 xHaligalx

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Posted: 3/28/2008 2:43:15 PM
yes edmonfella you get out of what you choose to peruse but the choices for perusing are crap.
The advertising is as well. Continually making brains hard wired to believe that if you don't have beauty, wealth etc you're a bum...spend spend spend
 Emma Smith 86

Joined: 3/19/2008
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Posted: 3/28/2008 2:45:55 PM
Yes I think so. On the other hand though, I could not live without the internet.
 just_forums

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Posted: 3/28/2008 3:00:47 PM
TV is something I pretty much NEVER watch.

Why would I, when there's the internet? Heck, go to www.tv-links.ca and watch tv shows, movies, documentaries, cartoons, etc. for FREE and without registration. It's a HUGE site.

The best part? You can watch it when you want to and there are no commercials! :D

While I'm on the topic, I highly recommend Kenny vs. Spenny. Watch an entire episode before you judge it. The first show I watched, I didn't see anything exciting within the first half, but it's all about the end, baby!! (And, once you get to know the personalities of both men, you'll love every minute of the show).
 Vintage Princess

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Posted: 3/28/2008 3:26:42 PM
I never watch television, but read books quite a bit and enjoy certain movies.
The only time it goes on is when friends come over and when I watch movies
I've never seen the big deal with tv and how people can get so addicted to a show. I guess I've been 'addicted' to a specific book or author before but Its not the same to me. Tv seems so diltued with a commercial flashing every 10 minuites. You cant truly embrace a storyline like that. Plus with product placements everywhere, poorly written scripts.
I'll stick to print and movies.
 luv to laugh

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Posted: 3/30/2008 9:47:37 PM
Since I live alone, T.V. provides me with entertainment when cooking, doing dishes, or boring stuff like sorting through bills. I tape most shows I like and then can fast forward through the commercials. Although I like reading and being on the internet, I find watching T.V. relaxing just before I go to sleep for the night. I have a small 13 " T.V. in my bedroom and sometimes fall asleep while watching something. I then wake up and turn it off.

I'm selective in what I watch as there are certain shows I really enjoy such as "Prison Break", "24", "Jericho", "House" and a few others. I also like the "Ellen Degenerous " show and one daytime soap "All My Children" The only time I've lived without T.V. is when I was camping, as there was no T.V. but other things to do like swimming, canoeing, fishing and reading.
 motley_maiden

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Posted: 3/30/2008 11:28:30 PM
I dont spend much time in front of my telly, apart from a Thursday eve. I like the cutting edge stuff. But I do like my TV for watching movies, or the music channel. I could live without it if I had to, but I would miss some stuff.
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