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| Is there really a Second Coming?
Posted: 1/15/2008 10:32:07 AM |
bear45408
I have no intention in my heart to badmouth the Jewish people or anyone for that matter. I am only offering the understanding of what I see as written in the scriptures.
If I was to be implying slanderous remarks towards the Jews as you suggest, then how could I also believe that they really had no say in this, but was all according to the will and purposes of God Divine agenda for the entire human race. If I was to badmouth anyone, then it would have to be God that I rail against, because I see all things accomplished according to His will and not ours. You have read my posts bear45408, and you know that I am a believer of the full restoration of all things created, through Christ, ..My theology is not one of exclusion, but is all inclusive.
I understand your beliefs, in the sense that they are different than what I believe, and I am not attacking your beliefs, I am discussing what is written in the scriptures, and not necessarily the scriptures that give us that warm fuzzy feeling.
As far as being anti-semitic, you are wrong. If I was to discuss how God used the Egyptians for His vessels of wrath in Moses day, am I being slanderous to the Egyptians? No..... I am just discussing what I see as historical according to the scriptures. I don't pretend to know the intentions of your heart. I do plainly see that what you are posting is in violation of the rules of these forums, and as a repeat offender, I thought that a warning might be timely. Take it or don't. If you continue to Jew bash I will register a complaint to the moderators and let them decide.
I think you bring shame to Christianity when you stain what is primarily a good faith with intolerance of other faiths. I do notice however that good Christians are content to sit there and let people like you continue without saying a word. What should that tell me about religions that condone evil? Why don't you folks speak out against this sort of stuff???
How can Christians possibly think of asking Jews to convert to a religion when this cr^p is what goes on in it? | |
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Posted: 1/15/2008 11:20:29 AM |
I don't pretend to know the intentions of your heart. I do plainly see that what you are posting is in violation of the rules of these forums, and as a repeat offender, I thought that a warning might be timely. Take it or don't. If you continue to Jew bash I will register a complaint to the moderators and let them decide.
I think you bring shame to Christianity when you stain what is primarily a good faith with intolerance of other faiths. I do notice however that good Christians are content to sit there and let people like you continue without saying a word. What should that tell me about religions that condone evil? Why don't you folks speak out against this sort of stuff???
How can Christians possibly think of asking Jews to convert to a religion when this cr^p is what goes on in it?
Nobody is badmouthing any race here bear45408, so don't try playing the race card in here. Grow up already, these are 2000 year old prphecies that are being discussed, and I have shown how they fit a race of people who lived 2000 years ago, so don't take it personally because it has NOTHING to do with you or the Jews today. | |
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Posted: 1/15/2008 6:42:48 PM |
Nobody is badmouthing any race here bear45408, so don't try playing the race card in here. Grow up already, these are 2000 year old prphecies that are being discussed, and I have shown how they fit a race of people who lived 2000 years ago, so don't take it personally because it has NOTHING to do with you or the Jews today. Attacking me with an ad hominem argument simply shows how little you have to go on. If you were simply talking about 2000 year old prophecies you would tend to use the past tense. That's how language works. Instead you said:
Sorry nevercanezzer but the Jews don't keep the commandments of God, nor do they have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
but they are guilty of slaying the prophets as is also charged of the great city, Mystery Babylon... If you were talking about past events, this would be phrased as "the Jews didn't keep the commandments of God, nor did they have the testimony of Jesus Christ. but they were guilty of slaying the prophets ..."
Somehow you seem to assume we are all stupid, and unable to go back and see what you actually said. Not so.
You have a history of violating the forum rules, with this sort of nonsense. I ask you politely to stop, or to very carefully rephrase your comments. As of the moment you are in violation of the forum rules, and they aren't very forgiving with repeat offenders. Particularly those who deny plain evidence of what they are doing. | |
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Posted: 1/15/2008 7:17:03 PM | You know what bear... you really are just soapboxing here because you don't like the mans opinion. The scriptures of the new testament put Jews as the ruling religion and from what I understand has nothing at all to do with being and Isrealite.
Excuse me but saying that
Somehow you seem to assume we are all stupid
is a judgement that I don't see in his writing. I think you see it just like you would see it in any reasoning that puts a bad light on who you identify yourself to be. For my part I understand this and can overreact just like you are to what people say about Barak Obama. White, Black, Jewish and then there's everybody else right.
No... please get off your soap box and put down your forum gavel... the man is not being overtly or covertly racist. You "seem to assume" too much. | |
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Posted: 1/15/2008 9:09:40 PM |
No... please get off your soap box and put down your forum gavel... the man is not being overtly or covertly racist. You "seem to assume" too much.
On the contrary it looks like he's been far too tolerant and patient of other poster's "soapboxing" of replacement/covenant theology. Rather than stating it in terms which would be acceptable under the PoF rules it looks like it has repeatedly and flagrantly been "preached" here as exclusive truth.
It's really not that hard to follow the simple rule of common courtesy.
Say "In my beliefs we are taught that...." and follow up with your statement.
And bear is completely right about the tense and the misrepresentation of what Jews do or do not belief today. That is certainly grounds for post deletion, it has been so in the past and hopefully will be now if bear reports it and if he doesn't I will.
If you don't know what a current religion believes, don't run your mouth about it like you do...eventually your mistakes and/or your bigotry will catch up with you. I may not agree with the beliefs of some religions but I do my best not to misrepresent those beliefs when I describe them in detail and I DO NOT put the personal spin doctoring of my own belief system on those beliefs when I describe them from the point of view of those beliefs.
I may feel free to criticize them after the fact from the point of view of my own beliefs or opinions but I state that as such and that is within the guidelines set down by the moderators. It's really not that hard to follow...even a tambourine shaking Baptist should be able to do it...a snakehandler...anyone.
Bear, if I were you I would file that report ASAP. | |
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Posted: 1/15/2008 9:26:41 PM |
Bear, if I were you I would file that report ASAP.
Feel free to report whatever you find offensive that I have said. Grammatically I can see my error as bear45408 has pointed out. But like Statueman says, if you truly investigated what I am saying from the beginning of the thread it will be clear that I am placing these events and prophecies we are discussing as being relevant only for the first century church and world that existed in that era. My main theme throughout the entire thread has been about placing these prophecies into history and not applying them as futuristic or for today's world. As I see it, placing these prophecies in the era I have, nullifies any current accusations of slander towards anyone that could possibly be alive today.
But as I said, do what you consider is your duty to do, if a moderator sees this also your way then I will accept being guilty of breaking rules....But for the record, it is only grammatical errors that I have made and blowing it into a full scale accusation of anti=semitism is uncalled for. | |
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Posted: 1/15/2008 10:14:52 PM | ...But for the record, it is only grammatical errors that I have made and blowing it into a full scale accusation of anti=semitism is uncalled for.
would agree on this one. And I will take it one step further-- Consigliere is attempting to make proofs for his arguments re. prophecy. Whether fulfilled or future tense, matters not really. He is not saying anything that the Scriptures have not already borne out from the New Testament at ALL. Christ has said these things. Stephen said these things. Others have said these same things from the Scripture in pointing to the destruction of God's prophets. Whether Gentile or Jew alike, these are religious topical arguments based from the Scripture only. Consigliere is not the one passing judgment here. He is quoting text from Scripture only in debating with others. To say that the Jewish nation is part of the "Whore of Revelation" or "Babylon" IS an incorrect interpretation IMO however. But it is an argument based from Scripture and I do agree with his RIGHT to argue it. He bases this on how he happens to interpret the Word for himself which may or not be in error. If it were Egyptians for example, I would STILL agree with his right to argue his points here. How much here has been said about Christians? or Islamics?? "..let he who is without sin cast the first stone." | |
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Posted: 1/15/2008 10:31:10 PM | Say "In my beliefs we are taught that...." and follow up with your statement.
Fidd - all the discussion in this thread has been in the manner of its "my belief", while you may prefer the "in my belief" statement prior - it went to the point of stupidity when every other sentence had an IMHO in it in other threads - The topic of the Second coming is about the fulfillment of prophecy - that is what is at debate here. Consig in my opinion has not shown any disrespect to Bear or Israelites - while I understand Bears sensitivity I do not see Consig as anti-semitic. While he has presented his views as being the correct definition of prophecy, that is not the same a preaching exclusivity of truth in my mind. This has been a great thread so far - Maybe some statements could have been worded better. Consig has apologized and explained his reasoning. | |
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| Is there really a Second Coming?
Posted: 1/15/2008 10:37:19 PM |
To say that the Jews are part of the "Whore of Revelation" or "Babylon" IS an incorrect interpretation IMO however.
Grammatically correct should actually say...
To say that the Jews WERE part of the "Whore of Revelation" or "Babylon" IS an incorrect interpretation IMO however.
Just to clarify again, the Jews of today are not part of the 'great city'/ 'Mystery Babylon' because this prophecy is applicable only to the previous age and its closing.
and I don't say this for bear45408's sake or themadfiddler, but for ours, just so there is clarity on the age I belioeve we are living in presently.
According to Paul, there are no more nationalities in the present Spiritual kingdom of God, unlike the previous age. There is presently no more Greek and there is no more Jew, all are one in Christ.
And as you say also fitman2005 I am merely posting the scriptures that give us the clues as to who this 'great city' applied towards. And I am also going as far to say that first and formost, scripture itself should be used to interpret the scipture used in the prophecies. | |
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Posted: 1/15/2008 10:40:54 PM | | ^^^Consigliere-- FYI--I edited it to read "Jewish nation" rather than to just say "Jews" as I found the former rather disrespectful or offensive. --sorry-my bad there. But as long as it has come out now--what IS your take on ANY future prophetic events? What do you see happening next in the light of Scripture and the Church? | |
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| Is there really a Second Coming?
Posted: 1/15/2008 11:57:48 PM | What do you see happening next in the light of Scripture and the Church?
fitman2005
I believe we are living in the fulfillment of what God has planned for the earth, what the Revelation calls 'the thousand year reign' when the kingdom of God is the inheritance for all who will enter in and the saints will possess it throughout the remainder of the ages.
There will always be spiritual battles, and I consider these to be our (gog''s and magog's)/(enemy forces) that we individually deal with, and that God destroys when His Word of the Spirit is revealed from heaven.
As far as the church goes, I have always considered the church a spiritual organism made of believers who have been set apart from the world, and in the past ages there has always been a remnant who have been called to be faithful, so i don't see that as changing in this age. | |
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Posted: 1/16/2008 8:18:54 AM | | ^^^^^so when did the marriage supper of the Lamb take place?...did I not get an invite? I don't see how we could be in the millenium without other significant events having taken place prior to. Is this 'shoe-horning' to fit one's belief system? | |
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Posted: 1/16/2008 11:19:56 AM |
No... please get off your soap box and put down your forum gavel... the man is not being overtly or covertly racist. You "seem to assume" too much. I have given specific examples, rather than making general assumptions. In some cases consigliere31 has given reasonable explanations that he is not refering to present day Jews and I'm fine with this. In others, such as his statement that "Jews don't keep the commandments of God...", I feel are blatent examples of anti-Semitism.
I have no problems with his being Christian, expressing Christian beliefs, and obviously having a strong preference for Christianity over Judaism.
Consigliere31 has in the past been centured on these forums for posting anti-Jewish untruths. I'm trying to avoid making a similar complaint, since they don't treat repeat offenders well.
It is perfectly possible to be a fine Christian without making statements that are against Jews. If you believe this is too much to ask, then I'm sorry, but I still ask it. It's unfortunate that you feel that asking for tolerance in your mind makes me a soapboxer. But I do ask for tolerance, and as long as I'm up on the soapbox, I insist on it! | |
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Posted: 1/16/2008 11:22:47 AM |
so when did the marriage supper of the Lamb take place?...did I not get an invite?
Revelation 21:2
Then I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
I don't see how we could be in the millenium without other significant events having taken place prior to. Is this 'shoe-horning' to fit one's belief system?
Did you mean events like this?....
Hebrews 11:16
But now they desire a better, that is, a heavenly country. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for He has prepared a city for them.
Hebrews 12:22
But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels,
fitman2005
How could the writer of Hebrews make this claim in Hebrews 12:12
as being a present reality?
How does that fit with your theology? | |
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Posted: 1/16/2008 11:27:53 AM | Consigliere31 has in the past been centured on these forums for posting anti-Jewish untruths. I'm trying to avoid making a similar complaint, since they don't treat repeat offenders well.
It is perfectly possible to be a fine Christian without making statements that are against Jews. If you believe this is too much to ask, then I'm sorry, but I still ask it. It's unfortunate that you feel that asking for tolerance in your mind makes me a soapboxer. But I do ask for tolerance, and as long as I'm up on the soapbox, I insist on it!
No problem bear45408, I will make all efforts to chose my words more carefully
and I apologize for the 'ad hominem' remarks in my response as well, I obviously should take my own advice on acting more maturely and respectful. | |
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Posted: 1/16/2008 4:44:29 PM |
No problem bear45408, I will make all efforts to chose my words more carefully Thanks, Consigliere31,
Bear | |
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Posted: 1/18/2008 10:09:15 PM | How could the writer of Hebrews make this claim in Hebrews 12:12
as being a present reality?
How does that fit with your theology?
I'll tell you how...you are referring to Hebrews 12:22 actually, I believe, as there seems to be a typo in the above quoted reference. I have reviewed the Scriptural passage and it is quite clear to me as to what is being alluded to. Here, my dear Consigliere, is INDEED speaking FIGURATIVELY and figuratively ONLY. As the passage shows by referring to Mt. Sinai as in the past, then contrasts it with the 'heavenly Jerusalem,' and to an "innumerable company of angels; to those whom are Born again; to God Himself and also the spirits of those 'just men made perfect." (righteous dead before Christ) It is NOT literal Consigliere as we are NOT there YET--obviously!! Look around you--do you see them now? Of course not. I don't see an innumerable company of angels. I don't see any of it as of yet. It is the figurative as in "seated in heavenly places in Christ Jesus."
Further down in the same chapter we read--verse 28:
"Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace,...."
This is the same "kingdom" which is inwardly, as in "at hand" to be --received.
Verse twenty-two is making a reference to the "heavenly' Jerusalem...the same one that in the future will be brought down to earth!! (Rev. 21:2; 21:10; 21:24)
We are NOT in the Millenium IMO. I sincerely have to tell you--you can't just take the figurative passages and make them LITERAL, then take the LITERAL passages and make them FIGURATIVE--it doesn't work that way.
Revelation 21:2
Then I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
hasn't happened yet. | |
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| Is there really a Second Coming?
Posted: 1/19/2008 11:14:14 AM |
We are NOT in the Millenium IMO. I sincerely have to tell you--you can't just take the figurative passages and make them LITERAL, then take the LITERAL passages and make them FIGURATIVE--it doesn't work that way.
yes we are in a millenium, I calculate the bginning of the millenium at the year 2000.
There is nothing in scripture about a millenium, the term is never used and the problem is that a thousand years according to the expression of the Holy Spirit, does not make a millenium, but signifies the completed state of things, or the fulfillment of things. Its not about calculating time.
Of course New Jerusalem is figurative, just as the house that the Lord goes and prepares fror us in John 14 is also figurative. How do we know? Because Jesus says He goes and prepares a place for us and then tells us the place that He is preparing and referring to is our own human flesh.(temple of God)
The acid test to knowing if Christ has come is within the individual testimony of man himself. If the testimony is that Jesus has come, then the same has no further requirement of proof or evidence that Christ is returning physically, other than in the physical flesh of His followers.
To say that anyone who admits to Jesus as living in a human body is who John is saying has the Spirit of God in 1 John 4 is really distorting the passage. Just beacuse a person may be a historian and believe that there was a man named Christ, does not mean that Christ is alive in them, nor does it mean that they have the Spirit of God. Nor can they say greater is He who is in me, than he who is in the world. 1John 4 is about those who are alive in the Spirit of God, and has nothing to do with what is historically true or not. | |
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Posted: 1/19/2008 2:50:59 PM | consigliere31 wrote :-
"The acid test to knowing if Christ has come is within the individual testimony of man himself. If the testimony is that Jesus has come, then the same has no further requirement of proof or evidence that Christ is returning physically, other than in the physical flesh of His followers."
If I understand correctly, what you are saying is that anyone that believes in a future second coming does not have the testimony of Jesus and therefore is not one of Christ's. | |
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Posted: 1/19/2008 8:32:45 PM | consigliere31 wrote :-
"The acid test to knowing if Christ has come is within the individual testimony of man himself. If the testimony is that Jesus has come, then the same has no further requirement of proof or evidence that Christ is returning physically, other than in the physical flesh of His followers."
If I understand correctly, what you are saying is that anyone that believes in a future second coming does not have the testimony of Jesus and therefore is not one of Christ's.
sarah one
You misunderstood what I wrote, I was replying to comments made regarding 1 John 4.
What a person who has received the Spirit understands intellectually, is irrelavent when it comes down to belonging to Christ. We belong to Christ because He has given us His Spirit. If we don't have His spirit we don't belong to Him. By belonging to Him, I mean this belonging as being in the reconciled spiritual state, and not belonging as in the sense that all things belong to God. Having His Spirit within us, is the testimony of Christ come in the flesh as according to 1 John 4. This Spiritual coming of Christ as also spoken of by Jesus in John 14 is ongoing and manifests whenever someone is born again. How much we intellectually understand regarding the mysteries of the kingdom of God, doesn't mean anything in regards to our spiritual state of being presently reconciled to God. | |
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| Is there really a Second Coming?
Posted: 1/20/2008 10:44:24 AM | My understanding of Bible scripture is that there will be a Second Coming - after a tribulation period during which there will be a separation of people identified with God or with Satan. And after that, Armegeddon, which some people associate with the Middle East. Some people think it will be the end of the world - by nuclear war. But, I've always had my own little hypothesis regarding that.
There could be unknown elements in the universe that scientists haven't discovered yet. We just don't know all that's out there in space. It is quite possible that the catastrophic effect of a global nuclear war could trigger these unknown elements in a way that would diffuse the radiation or bring a halt to the destructive results of nuclear bombs. Or some kind of catylist reaction of known elements scientists haven't discovered the equasion for.
But, anyways, after Armegedden, there's supposed to be a thousand year reign where everything will be restored to, what seems to me, God's original purpose for mankind. I mean, the whole purpose of ANY coming of the Messiah is to do away with all the bad sh*t, isn't it? To make way for a new environment to live in. Heavenly and earthly society/government/kingdom - whatever. If the Bible talks about a new heaven and a new earth - well, what would we need a new earth for if everyone was in heaven?
I believe in a Creator and call that creator, God. And, I just can't fathom the idea that God would allow his creation to destroy itself. We were created for a purpose we don't understand on a timetable we probably are not meant to know. If Jesus himself doesn't know it, why would it be revealed to us? And, whether it's the 1st or the 2nd coming, it sure seems like something is going to happen 'cause our world is getting crazier and crazier.
From previous posts:
"Are you denying that Christ is presently sitting on the Throne of God's authority, and instead saying that satan is presently the ruling authority?"
From what I have gotten from scripture, Christ IS sitting on the throne. And Satan IS (presently) the "ruler" on earth and has been. My belief and hope is that Christ will rectify that with the second coming.
"rightly dividing the Word of truth is what should always be kept in our objectives"
HUH? ... Isn't the "Word" already "divided?" I think that might have been part of Satan's objective. How can it be rightly divided? The way I see it, it needs to be made whole, for a unison of truth. I believe the second coming would provide that, too.
"...believe we are living in the fulfillment of what God has planned for the earth, what the Revelation calls 'the thousand year reign'..."
The "thousand year reign" describes when the dead will be ressurected. Sickness, pain, death, etc. will be done away with. A child will play near the cobra - The lion will lie down next to the lamb... I can't remember the exact wording, but most people are probably familiar with these scriptures. | |
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Posted: 1/20/2008 11:23:22 AM | {QUOTE" Are you denying that Christ is presently sitting on the Throne of God's authority, and instead saying that satan is presently the ruling authority?"
From what I have gotten from scripture, Christ IS sitting on the throne. And Satan IS (presently) the "ruler" on earth and has been. My belief and hope is that Christ will rectify that with the second coming. "END OF QUOTE}
- Yes Christ will rectify that on his 2nd visit here.
{QUOTE""rightly dividing the Word of truth is what should always be kept in our objectives"
HUH? ... Isn't the "Word" already "divided?" I think that might have been part of Satan's objective. How can it be rightly divided? The way I see it, it needs to be made whole, for a unison of truth. I believe the second coming would provide that, too." END OF QUOTE}
- I believe it will be with the 2nd coming of Christ.
{ QUOTE""...believe we are living in the fulfillment of what God has planned for the earth, what the Revelation calls 'the thousand year reign'..."
The "thousand year reign" describes when the dead will be ressurected. Sickness, pain, death, etc. will be done away with. A child will play near the cobra - The lion will lie down next to the lamb... I can't remember the exact wording, but most people are probably familiar with these scriptures. "END OF QUOTE}
- Yes these things will happen, when Christ returns the 2nd time. He will come with an iron fist so to speak, and force them to happen. The thousand year reign will be Christ making us to be as we were designed to be. He will return here with an army during Armaggedon, for Gods patience will run out prior to man destroying his creation , which is this world. For a thousand years, he will reign this planet, not allowing injustice. A dictatorship if you will.
Peace will reign during this period, sadly there will be those who resent it though. After the thousand years , he will let the " beast 'loose on this earth for a short while, just prior to Judgement day. | |
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Posted: 3/26/2008 6:52:29 PM | nevercanezzer :
"How can it be said that :-
(Rev 11:15 KJV) And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
When this planet is filled with unrighteousness - the kingdoms of this world are still very much in the hands of the deceiver - to claim otherwise is make the whole thing a mockery and takes a mind unwilling to accept that all thing have not yet been fulfilled. Haggle all you want about "ever" being an "age" - the facts are plain to see all around us - explain that the kingdom is here and there is no pain, sorrow or tears to some starving people in Africa and blood being shed in the world.
(1 Cor 15:19 KJV) If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.
(1 Cor 15:23 KJV) But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power
Currently we do not see "all rule and all authority and power." under God. To state otherwise is to deny the obvious."
I agree fully and I perceive that you are correct.
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Posted: 3/26/2008 7:32:46 PM |
(1 Cor 15:23 KJV) But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power
Currently we do not see "all rule and all authority and power." under God. To state otherwise is to deny the obvious."
I disagree, and I think that the problem with interpretating scriptures is that people err by looking through thier own eyes and observing what they see instead of looking through the eye of the Spirit. Of course we can all have our own opinions at what means what..but we should never deny that these are nothing more than our own opinions that are based on what we can see and understand.
Now you shared the scripture.....but I would like to add to the context
21For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
So now when you explian this verse you claim that to deny that death is destroyed is to deny the obvious. I agree with you when I look through your eyes and understanding, but when I lok through the eye of the Spirit there is a different obvious that claims death is destroyed. And of course the scriptures also bear out this not so obvious truth that death is destroyed...
2 Timothy 1:10
but it has now been revealed through the appearing of our Savior, Christ Jesus, who has destroyed death and has brought life and immortality to light through the gospel.
This verse has been shared already and testifies that Christ has made His appearing and destroyed death...to deny this is to deny the obvious concerning spiritual truth.
John also bears witness to the truth that death has been destroyed in those who know Christ already...
1 John 5:13
I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life.
1 John 5:20
We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true—even in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.
John is not speaking of the Son of God coming to earth in the flesh the first time and giving this understanding, John is referring to those who have been born again and know that they have life working in them and not death..
John 5:24
"I tell you the truth, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be condemned; he has crossed over from death to life.
Romans 6:13
Do not offer the parts of your body to sin, as instruments of wickedness, but rather offer yourselves to God, as those who have been brought from death to life; and offer the parts of your body to him as instruments of righteousness. | |
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