Guess
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| Obama's Church Doctrine
Posted: 1/10/2008 1:28:12 PM | | Repa I think that you are right about that but I think that the problem is that to many people in the Usa doesnt even own a passport and have never been travelling so it is hard for them to understand and see how Europe is on it's way to be Islamized and maybe 'the World' to now then.... | |
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Posted: 1/10/2008 1:40:03 PM | "A buddy of mine once said if you put all the politicians in the world in a big sack and start beating on it with a club yal get the right one every time.."
funny, ditto with yours scorpiomover. also rhymes well with 'your mama' LOL!
The attacks on this man have been so absurd that they virtually gain him credibility by default. I can't say I know a lot about the man but one republican tried to link him to terrorism by his name. Now if that isn't ludacris I don't know what is! Guilt by a similar sounding name and misunderstood church values.
At this point I would vote for him LONG before I would the ice queen plus I like the idea of shaking up the powers that be by voting in our first black president. But politically I have never been afraid to vote in rabble rousers. Gotta stir that pot!
Plus it is so enlightening to see who gets bigmouthed and fears a change like this -- in effect it gives the small minds just enough rope to hang themselves with by virtue of their own big mouths. Local AM radio has been super interesting as a result of Obama winning the Iowa election. Got one guy scared as hell we might have ablack president and another totally hopeful!
Both entertaining to listen to........ | |
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Posted: 1/10/2008 1:45:28 PM | Posted By: repa on 1/10/2008 4:01:04 PM
"I believe Obama is a muslim and that chosing him as a president would be the biggest mistake in the history for US."
I'm sorry repa, but the biggest mistake in US history has already been made... -twice. | |
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repa
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Joined: 12/18/2007
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Posted: 1/10/2008 1:52:30 PM | Dear Skypoetone,
You seem to be afraid of being called a racist, why is just mentioning someone's skincolor racism? geez, a break please.....
And btw, it is a basic fact that many afroamericans in US identify themselves with Obama, and if you think that is a racist remark, then maybe you need to study closer what a racist really is.
And yes Guess, you make a good point there. Many americans dont know what islam is about and what their quest is about but who am I to inform them? I am sure someone will just accuse me of being a racist if i try.... So i wont bother. | |
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Posted: 1/10/2008 4:02:43 PM | Dear Skypoetone,
You seem to be afraid of being called a racist, why is just mentioning someone's skincolor racism? geez, a break please.....
Actually I didn't, inverted comas are there for that very reason, it shows the differing words used to describe those things.
And btw, it is a basic fact that many afroamericans in US identify themselves with Obama, and if you think that is a racist remark, then maybe you need to study closer what a racist really is.
I have no hostility towards different races, end of.
My concerns were not to belittle anyone, thus I have no reason to fear.
I could have sat back, like many do, and not entered into the debate... but that's not my style really... thanks for your contributions btw... I do appreciate them. :) | |
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Posted: 1/13/2008 6:59:46 AM | I have an idea for all you Americans...
%$*& the man's religion. Toss your preconceived ideas of what a "Black Christian" or Muslim might believe. All that crap has absolutely NOTHING to do with his running for the primary.
Quite frankly, observing this primary from a third party perspective, it is exposing quite a lot of 14th century ideals that I thought our world has long since passed. Rascism, sexism, and religious discrimination are rampant. Vote for Hilary because she's a woman. Vote for Obama because he's black. Don't vote for Obama because his name sounds like Osama, or his middle name is Hussein (Cuz yeah, the man had control of what his parents were going to name him), or he goes to a black church, or he once attended an islamic mosque. Don't vote for Romney because he's Mormon, and Mormons aren't christians (Despite the actual name being the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, people somehow don't think mormons believe in Christ...).
What the hell happened to a democracy where people were elected because of their POLITICAL STANCES? Are you that scared of being governed by someone who doesn't share your same view of the magical guy in the sky? There are checks and balances in place. A Muslim president would not be able to convert the United States of Christianity to Islamic rule, any more than a Black president could impliment white slavery as payback.
The concept behind a democracy is that a population that is educated about the facts, has the ability to make the best decisions to govern themselves. Go and make a list of what your values and ideals are. Find out what issues are important to you. Become very familiar with this list. Then, go and find out what each of the candidates' beliefs on these issues are. Watch the debates. Engage the candidates via letters, email, or if possible even in person. THAT is what you should base your vote on. No more, no less. | |
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Posted: 1/13/2008 8:13:04 AM | Skypoetone,
Excellent analogy of Obama. I feel he is a wolf in sheeps clothing. I know what kind of change he is talking and it isnt good.Hope you are having good luck on plenty of fish,Bob | |
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Posted: 1/13/2008 4:16:08 PM | A racist black man in the United States has no power... Being racist requires power and a racist without power will not qualify as a racist. So now we've finally got a chance to have a black racist in power. Praise the Lord and pass out the government jobs!!!
You say Osama and I say Obama... let's call the whole thing off! | |
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Posted: 1/13/2008 6:18:09 PM |
I believe Obama is a muslim and that chosing him as a president would be the biggest mistake in the history for US.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp
It is just so bad that afroamericans identify themselves with this person. He is a muslim with a disguise trying to seem christian but I doubt any muslim would convert, and what is even more strange is why the muslim world hasnt threatened him to death or tried to kill him, because we all know the muslim world would get terribly mad if it was true that Obama was a former muslim and now trying to become US president. So just the silence and peace from the muslimworld lets me know that Obama is a muslim.
Did you actually read the link you posted? Because it completely discredits what you just said. | |
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Posted: 1/14/2008 4:14:45 AM | So the best you can come up with is that Obama goes to a black church?
What the ****. First he was "merely articulate" then he was a closet Muslim, now people are jumping on his ass about going to a black church. Why don't they just come out and say they don't want a negro in the white house. | |
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Posted: 1/14/2008 5:43:50 AM | Why don't they just come out and say they don't want a negro in the white house.
I'm glad you didn't say a black in the white house! Oh the contrast... We shall overcome.
But seriously... a black church makes a mission statement dedicating itself to black people. OH WOW THATS THE MOST RACIST THING I'VE EVER HEARD!!!
get a grip...
and who said the word
AFROAMERICANS???
Must have been just an American who said that huh? I have an Afro but I ain't no AfroAmerican. I'm a born and raise Milwaukee Lite skinned african german french and cherokee American! And though I'd prefer Huckabee I'd be proud to see this racist azz silly talkin non-sense spoutin country make a black man our president and keep him in office without letting some one shoot him for at least four years! And yes I'd like to see it just because I'm black and I make not one dam excuse for that!
Some of you are so racial and make everygthing into a racial issue... why? Because it wasn't an issue when Ophra was just an actress with Whopee in the Color Purple... it wasn't an issue when Spielburg tooks hits from the NAACP for that movie... but now it's an issue because YOU DON'T WANT POWER to change hands since you fear you are the new minority... poor are you who call yourself white... who over identify with being white... who want to keep the white house white. So sad... so very scary for you now since well... you're right-white-light can't see how wrong you are about things has to share in the persecution of being a minority now. Welcome to the second class and prepare for the second coming cause mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming mongrel hordes! | |
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Posted: 1/14/2008 9:47:45 AM | "What the hell happened to a democracy where people were elected because of their POLITICAL STANCES?"
Just tell me what happened to DEMOCRACY ? PERIOD ?
"The concept behind a democracy is that a population that is educated about the facts, has the ability to make the best decisions to govern themselves."
Yes,..thet concept was fine a hundred years ago,...or two hundred years ago,..when the "People" had "REAL POWER",.,...........
"WE THE PEOPLE",.......NO LONGER,....HAVE THE POWER !
Our Nation is being over run by a bunch of MONEY HUNGRY,...POWER GRABBING,
SELF SERVING CRIMINALS,....PRETENDING TO BE POLITICIANS.
Politics is a dirty word now.
"...find out what each of the candidates' beliefs on these issues are. Watch the debates. Engage the candidates via letters, email, or if possible even in person. THAT is what you should base your vote on. No more, no less. "
Main Stream America,....has looked long and hard,..for a "Candidate",..that is interested in getting AMERICA,.... back on track,..and believes that our Nation,...
should be run to benifit "WE THE PEOPLE",......"AMERICANS",......
NOT SELF SERVING, BIG MONEY, GOVERNMENT !
Americas Popular Vote seems to be going towards Ron Paul,.....but you'd never know it by looking at the Polls,...and Debates,.......because the News Media isnt allowing him to be seen on the Major Networks,..because Corperate America is scared to death of this man, and what he believies in.
I myself,..have viewed video clips of The Trinity Church of Christ, that Obama is a member of,...and am sad to say,...their doctrine is not overtly racist,...but their doctrine is racist in nature,..which is too bad they are so hard nosed about being black,..for the black, benifiting the black,..and professing only to be true to mother AFRICA,..........NOT AMERICA !
As mentioned before,...and seen on the Hannity show,....when asked if the word black,..would be changed to white,...wouldnt blacks view this as racist ?
(And so would whites.)
But instead of agreeing that could be possiable,...the reply was anything except a bunch of double talk, that never answered the question.
I have no use,...for ANY ONE,....that isnt looking out for Everyones Best Intrest !
And Obama isnt looking out for his own best intrest,...by being involved in a Church,....that it sole pourpose, is to promote "Blacks",........and send that kind of message. | |
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Posted: 1/14/2008 10:01:26 AM |
Repa I think that you are right about that but I think that the problem is that to many people in the Usa doesnt even own a passport and have never been travelling so it is hard for them to understand and see how Europe is on it's way to be Islamized and maybe 'the World' to now then....
Is this a serious comment?
How,exactly,does a country become "Islamized?"
Western Europe is a group advanced countries w/ little tolerance for religious fundamentalism (which i have to assume is the Islamic influence that you have issues w/) and a large non-Asian population.
Short gaining a staggering number of converts in a short order (which given Europeans propensity to consume large quantities of pork and alcohol is unlikely) Islam will become a major religion practiced by minority populations.
Kind of as it is now.
A brief history lesson would show you that Islam never extended in Europe farther than the Balkan and Iberian peninsulas...
And that it faced an extremely rough time it both places...being largely ejected by warfare from both areas,excluding of course the former Yugoslavia and Albania
While this probably wouldn't led to warfare these days....the effects of the lack of religious culture in European daily lives will more likely prove effective at capping the number of both Muslim immigrants as well Muslim converts.
People assimilate into the larger culture.
When they don't...they are left behind. | |
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Posted: 1/14/2008 6:23:39 PM |
and professing only to be true to mother AFRICA,..........NOT AMERICA
It seems to me being only true to mother Africa and not the USA would be a conflict of interest for one that is the leader of the USA.
I'd like to feel the person that is president has their allegiance to country they are suppose to be the leader of.
Perhaps this is why sometimes Obama does not put his hand over his heart during the national anthem.
Yes I know its a simple guesture but for many of us Americans it does mean something. We have a tendency to expect our leaders to pay due respect and honor our country in the little ways.
I don't care if it was another person running for president and they weren't black I'd expect their allegiance to be first to this country also..and show respect to the flag and the national anthem.
On the racist front. I'm not racist. I don't dislikes blacks or any people that are different colored or worship different than I do. BUT I do get tired of everything being about race. Every little word every action is about race. Already the race card is being tossed around. I'm really tired of hearing of it.
Obama might be the best canidate for the job I don't know. But one thing I do know I sure as heck don't want to listen for the next 4 years after the election if he got in everytime he's critized for some action it's because he's black. I'd rather not have the best canidate if it meant not putting up with listening all the time about the world being racist against him.
I like being able to complain about my public officials without being called racist. Don't worry folks the media will help widen the gap between races instead of bridging it. Peace doesn't really grab the attention of people like a knock down drag out fight would. Why do you think news programs tell more negitive stuff than positive stuff. Good stuff just don't sell.
I'm sure if would be okay if Hillary got in and when we didn't agree with her actions that her being a woman comments would be accepted and thought to be okay.
I think I'm leaning towards Kerry right now. He don't seem to want to play the school play ground games. | |
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Posted: 1/15/2008 1:30:26 AM | | Barrak Obama was born to a Kenyan African father. His father was a Muslim. His mother is from Kansas i.e. a Christian woman or liberal woman who met his father in Hawaii. Obama was not raised in Kenyan by Swahili speaking Muslims. Just because his father was born a Muslim from Africa doesn't make Obama a bad person. That's pretty bigoted, I think. I think Obama is an all right candidate, and I don't think he is some religious fanatic. He is on the Left. It seems like a political witch hunt to label someone a Muslim just because his father was. John Kerry's grandfather was Jewish, and his last name was originally Kohn, not Kerry, but that doesn't make John Kerry Jewish, now does it? | |
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Posted: 1/15/2008 5:34:06 AM | I wish Condi Rice would have run... we'd kill two birds with one stone and wouldn't have to do it again for another hundred years!
Or maybe Colin Powell... that would be nice... then the media could say "Well... he's the son of immigrants so he's not really an American Black."
But Alan Keyes! Somebody please lock him away throw away the keyes... The republicans sent him to that Senatorial race too run against Obama to begin with! And I believe that's why we have Obama in the Presidential Race after his first term as Senator. Because the Republicans went out of their way too send another black man too run against him in Illinois... that had too be the stupidest tactic on record. I mean get real...
And remember everyone... If Obama want's to call it Mother Africa then it's only because the genetic roots of us all come from there just like the scientist said. So we should all honor our mother... amen. | |
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Posted: 1/15/2008 4:06:20 PM |
"The concept behind a democracy is that a population that is educated about the facts, has the ability to make the best decisions to govern themselves." Yes,..thet concept was fine a hundred years ago,...or two hundred years ago,..when the "People" had "REAL POWER",.,........... "WE THE PEOPLE",.......NO LONGER,....HAVE THE POWER !
Perhaps, this is because people vote not based on political stances, but based on the fact that there's a rumor someone's mother's sister's third-cousin-twice-removed's dog's former owner's hairdresser once sat in a taxi cab that was powered by gasoline that came out of the ground in an OH MY GOD MUSLIM country...
This whole thread just goes to show just how much religious discrimination goes on in the good ol' US of A. By all means keep sending your young men off to a war for oil - we'll see where that gets you. | |
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Posted: 1/15/2008 5:20:33 PM | Mr. Skypoetone:
There is a Barack > UCC > Louis Farrakhan connection.
I don't know if anyone has yet brought what I am to post up yet.
Richard Cohen (a liberal columnist, by the way) in this morning's column that ran in the Baton Rouge Louisiana paper today, states that Barack's church (he calls it simply the Unity Church of Christ) is pastored by one Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr.
The church's newsmagazine, the Trumpeter, is edited by two of the reverend's daughters.
Last year they (the Trumpeter) gave the Dr. Jeremiah A Wright, Jr Trumpeter Award to a man that (their words) "truly epitomizes greatness"....
LOUIS FARRAKHAN!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now, Skypoetone, if you lived in the USA, you would know what Farrakhan stands for.
I have seen him on TV down here rabblerousing to make war on whites in the USA.
You get the message. | |
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Posted: 1/15/2008 6:58:57 PM |
I have seen him on TV down here rabblerousing to make war on whites in the USA.
Better that then the "south doing it again" eh? "Whites" wow... whites in the USA. Do you even hear yourself? Whites in the USA... how pathetic. | |
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Posted: 1/15/2008 7:35:42 PM | | This thread should be deleted or moved to "US politics" or "the usual pre-election mud-slinging". It isn't about Religion or Spirituality. I'm amazed the Mods have let it go thus far. | |
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Posted: 1/16/2008 7:39:10 AM |
It isn't about Religion or Spirituality
Since when wasn't religion about politics? And are you saying there's no discrimination in the world's religions?  | |
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Posted: 1/16/2008 8:25:49 AM |
Perhaps this is why sometimes Obama does not put his hand over his heart during the national anthem.
Yes I know its a simple guesture but for many of us Americans it does mean something. We have a tendency to expect our leaders to pay due respect and honor our country in the little ways.
By taking exception to the above comment perhaps this thread will also be brought somewhat back on track.
What some Americans don't understand is that what they see as "little" things are actually big, serious things to others based upon their religious convictions. Saluting the flag, wearing a flag lapel pin (or even a cross/crucifix), and recitation of pledges are considered by some to be violations of one or two Commandments. So please excuse them if they put God (as they they understand him) before offending someone's hyped up sense of patriotism. | |
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Posted: 2/20/2008 10:07:21 PM | | I am kind of surprised that anti-Obama people have not used his Church background as fodder. His Church sounds somewhat seperatist, and I checked it out on Snopes where it was not denied. A little comment in U.S. News and World Report this week stated that Obama attends a Church that his mother (who is white) would not feel comfortable in. If Obama wins the Democratic nomination, you can bet that his Church background will be trumpeted everywhere. | |
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Posted: 2/20/2008 11:41:35 PM | Ohhhh. The inane. It hurts.
Folks, try to force yourselves to find some actual facts to glom onto. Things like 'I believe Obama is muslim' are just ludicrous. Guess what? The sun ain't purple if you happen to 'believe' it is. There are facts and then there's what you 'believe'. Understand the two are not the same thing. God in heaven, THINK, will you?
No. Scratch that. LEARN. Seek TRUTH not rumours and fluff.
IMHO, these remarks about Obama are just veiled bigotry. Bogus excuses to dislike him because the truth is you don't want someone who's not pure white to be President of the US of A.
And the pathetic 'Obama - Osama' thing was brought up by fools long ago. And ridiculed.
I think the man is genuine; cut of the same sort of cloth that the Kennedys were. He is inspiring and that's why he's becoming popular. And, of course, should he become president, some moron will off him with a gun because dreamers and visionaries don't last long in the grand ol U S of A. | |
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Posted: 2/21/2008 12:04:25 AM | The other annoying spew that comes from the anti-Obama crowd is depicting him, or Hillary Clinton for that matter, as "leftists".
As I pointed out to some other individual of rather limited vision before the rather trolling thread (hmm kinda like this one) was thankfully obliterated by the mods as it was less a discussion than "off-the-rails-flame-bait", there isn't anything in America that constitutes an active left in comparison to anywhere in the rest of the world.
The only politicians in the primaries on the left at all, depicted as "extreme" leftists, who would fit comfortably with any socialist liberals anywhere else in Western Europe or Canada - not extreme by any stretch - would be Kucinich and Gravel.
Obama and Clinton are both slightly left of McCain but both right of Edwards. They are moderate Conservatives all (including McCain) well left of people like Romney, Tancredo and Gingrich...slightly left of Huckabee.
http://www.politicalcompass.org/
http://www.politicalcompass.org/usprimaries2008
The attempt to tie the fringier elements of the religious doctrine of the UCC is yet another bit of black propaganda, likely from the neo-conservatives in the White House, to tar and feather Obama as much as possible before the fact in the minds of prospective voters...part of their usual modus operandi. | |
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