| Obama's Church Doctrine
Posted: 2/21/2008 12:13:02 AM | Two Hawks takes the Talking Stick:
When I look at the candidates that are running for president.....I think on election day I'll do a write in vote for Howdy Doody, Mickey Mouse, or Alfred E. Newman!
Two Hawks passes the Talking Stick | |
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Posted: 2/21/2008 12:21:42 AM | I will preface this post by stating I am a sorry excuse for being knowledgeable about American politics. I actually just listen to what the various politicians actually SAY.....
I posted earlier on a thread about "scary Christians " or something to that effect (now rightfully deleted) where a poster equated Obama with the Christian antichrist. OMG, of all the stuff I've ever read on these forums, that post left a terrible taste in my mouth. With all the crap that has been fed to the world by Dubya, Obama is the antichrist??????? It is my opinion that some Christian Americans are afraid of a Black, multi religious/educated aware man may come into power and are beginning this hateful propoganda. For shame. It really is all about power and money rather than trying to achieve some semblance of world sanity......
I like him very much. He answers hard questions with a touch of diplomacy but leaves no doubt in my mind that the ever deepening financial chasm of world affairs needs to be addressed with equity rather than might makes right.
(I also liked Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton. They were human. I digress.)
Cheers, Raven | |
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Posted: 2/21/2008 4:45:28 AM | Indeed Raveninns,
I just had a christian friend of mine contact me with the same suspicion that Barak may be the antichrist because he was born in Hawaie...
I think that there is the subtle interest in making the Anti Christ part of the race you like the least. Like when I was a young liberal democrat reading revelations I looked around for the Anti Christ and saw Ronald Wilson Reagan with the 6 letters in each name and the one liner in the Atomic Bomb movie saying "it made one hell of a bang" and I thought, "hmmm could be the anti christ".
Sadly or humorusly I googled Barak Obama Anti Christ and found wow... alot of testimony and reporting blogging and such about it. Wow... wow...
I'm reasonably sure that Ophra Winfrey is the anti christ. I'm pretty sure satan is a talk show host. | |
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Posted: 2/21/2008 5:15:21 AM | How can religious people expect to be taken seriously by calling a presidential candidate the "anti-christ?"
I can understand rational,logical debate about the candidate, his/her views and his or her character.
I can't understand stating that you believe the candidate is the mythological personification of evil from your belief system.
However, I suspect that until (or if) Barack Obama is nominated as the Democratic candidate, that this or even worse kinds of rhetoric will become the "norm." | |
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Posted: 2/21/2008 6:36:56 AM | We can count on the fact that American political debate (sic) duing election times gets REALLY NASTY and personal. The stuff brought up is interpreted by each party in the worst possible way. Frequently beyond any kind of logic or actual fact... it feeds the peoples fears of just about anything. Remember the Cold War...sheesh, EVERYONE was accused of being a communist(pinkos)...now the word to fear is "Muslim".
I still think the solution is to begin teaching critical thinking skills in public schools.
Isn't it more important to look at a nominees record than what bleedin' church he/she attends? Oh wait...I'm being logical again..my bad. | |
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Posted: 2/21/2008 7:18:43 AM | | Obama is not the anti-Christ. As the United States is in decline, it is doubtful that the anti-Christ will even be an American. If he is, he is more likely to be a Republican. I have no problem with Obama being black, liberal, kinky or whatever. He does attend a Church that is somewhat seperatist. This is not speculation. I think ultimately this will probably be his downfall once the smear campaign really begins. | |
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Posted: 2/21/2008 2:08:05 PM | Disclaimer: my responses and my post in it's entirety is my personal opinion and belief.
A racist black man in the United States has no power... Being racist requires power and a racist without power will not qualify as a racist.
  Many sociologist will argue that by definition,one that is of the minority group can not be defined as racist. A minority group is a group that is subordinate to the majority in terms of power and privilege. And just to clear this up.... prejudice is to attitude,judgments as discrimination is to action. The two are separate and yet prejudice can lead to a discriminatory action. I see these words being tossed around over here so I thought I would give that a mention. So let's say that the elite has the power and influence.Power and influence allows one a lot of control.And one can only control that which is inferior. So to add a popular equation: Racism = prejudice + discrimination + power
so in other words,again;
Being racist requires power and a racist without power will not qualify as a racist.
again,I agree
Since when wasn't religion about politics? And are you saying there's no discrimination in the world's religions?
Let's say we are talking about religion in other countries for example,....well then many military personnel ,politicians and diplomats may possibly agree that a religion may serve several social functions and understanding a religion is closely linked to understanding an entire culture....international businesses may agree as well...or from a conflict approach in regard to the economic system,some theorist would argue that religion,like other social structures allows the exploitation of the poor by the elite.
But let's get really try to get to the bottom of all this.In other words,this country operates and DEPENDS on things like social stratification and class....these rankings of groups in society that are based on their access to power resources and perceived societal worth. And it DEPENDS on a system of structured inequality,a 'false consciousness" if you will,meaning where others would have you to at least think and possibly believe that there is a common bond of equal opportunity to reach all goals so therefore no-one rebels and sometimes this seems to allow for this one's own exploitation along the way. If ya don't believe this,then just let someone start fvckin' around with min wage and just watch the affect it has on wall street. And you can bet your sweet as.s that many of the ones with the most influence and power...the elite... are not liking any of this one bit. This ain't about religion or Obama's church doctrine,or having a father that was Muslim or so on and so on....
to further those thoughts;what this is really about and to quote fiddler;
But with all of the comments coming out about Barack Obama we can see many prejudices of a variety of shades and fears emerging from white cringing America... | |
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Posted: 2/21/2008 3:16:04 PM | And it DEPENDS on a system of structured inequality, a 'false consciousness" if you will, meaning where others would have you to at least think and possibly believe that there is a common bond of equal opportunity to reach all goals so therefore no-one rebels and sometimes this seems to allow for this one's own exploitation along the way.
Casheyes, you really made me work for this. Lol! So let me see if I can pull it outa the fire. :)
To me this is where faith and trust collide. I am not saying one party or another is either better or worse, I do not care more for black or white and I do not discriminate. The question was about all religions - politics in religion and the use of religion in politics. They are bedfellows, always have been, always will be, sad but true. | |
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Posted: 2/21/2008 3:35:01 PM | "Can someone tell me what’s going on?" by the poster
Yes, ignorant nonsense based on the content of these posts. | |
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Posted: 2/21/2008 4:20:16 PM |
I believe Obama is a muslim and that chosing him as a president would be the biggest mistake in the history for US.
Kennedy was a Catholic and America wasn't burned up by god, now was it?
He is a muslim with a disguise trying to seem christian but I doubt any muslim would convert
and being a christian is supposed to make you perfect? | |
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Posted: 2/21/2008 8:06:02 PM | | I am curious to where is the "white cringing America" that gets talked about so much? Obama seems to be winning most every state and he isn't winning by minority votes alone. This white cringing America seems to have some kind of black admiration complex if you ask me. There is a whole lot of middle aged white women who hang on every word Oprah says. We get hour on hour updates by the media on every time Tiger Woods has a bowel movement. I see a whole generation of white kids trying to emulate ghetto style. Do you think Obama is cleaning up because his policies and ideas are better than the other candidates? You could have ran Wesley Snipes for President and white people would have voted for him. | |
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Posted: 2/21/2008 8:50:52 PM |
I am curious to where is the "white cringing America" that gets talked about so much?
They are not moderates.
Obama is a moderate, thus is garnering a great deal of attention.
The neo-conservative right, the moneyed class - as Bush described, his "base" - are part of the white "cringing" America that prefers people of certain ethnicities and genders to stay at a safe arms length. Stephen Colbert parodies this approach in his reference to his "black friend" and you will often hear people use this defence if asked about their inclinations...but see someone outside their narrow scope of who they prefer to be in power heading in that direction and they start to squirm like a hooked worm over a trout pond...hey I thought I was all out of rural aphorisms for today...hyuck.
You could have ran Wesley Snipes for President and white people would have voted for him.
Haw. I can see it now... "Always Bet On Black!" There's his slogan. Who would his running mate be? Seriously though, not a chance anyone would vote for Wesley except in a "takes his acting ability too seriously" contest in which case I suggest he and Steven Segal Would make a perfect dynamic duo. In which case the slogan would have to be "Ebony and Ivory, Kickin' A** In Harmony!"  | |
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Posted: 2/21/2008 8:54:45 PM | I think the problem is making a dividing line and calling it white america. How about a man running for president? I mean come on... white kids trying to emulate ghetto style? So who lives in the ghetto?
I'm at a loss here... white fright is only for those who call themselves white and over identify with being white... what breaks my heart is that I've met many of these types of thinkers in the christian churches. no wonder we have so many atheists. | |
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Posted: 2/21/2008 10:38:37 PM | | I have heard both whites and blacks talk about how they cannot stand arabs, yet nobody seems to call them racists for doing so. I guess hate is ok as long as it is pointed in the right direction eh? | |
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Posted: 2/22/2008 5:57:20 AM |
I have heard both whites and blacks talk about how they cannot stand arabs, yet nobody seems to call them racists for doing so. I guess hate is ok as long as it is pointed in the right direction eh?
No.....it's not.
And I check Black people when I hear racist crap about Asians or Arabs (which are also Asians..well..some are) from them.
Or comments about White people.
Somebody else making racist statements doesn't give you making them validity. | |
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Posted: 2/22/2008 6:54:55 AM |
Doesn't look like his choice of religion has improved much over his (former?) Muslim upbringing. Strip away his nice looks, the big smile and smooth talk and what do you get?
That's when I stopped reading. Obviously a poorly constructed e-mail forward from somebody whom I suspect leans to the right
First, it isn't true that Obama refuses to wear a flag lapel. It's simply that he isn't taking part in this continued trend of post-9/11 faux patriotism, and good for him.
Second, he didn't have a Muslim upbringing. | |
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Posted: 2/22/2008 6:56:05 AM |
no wonder we have so many atheists.
I think that has much less to do with Christians and much more to do with how stupid and ridiculous their beliefs are. | |
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Posted: 2/22/2008 3:41:33 PM | HarveyLemmings
Welcome to the forums and POF
I think that has much less to do with Christians and much more to do with how stupid and ridiculous their beliefs are.
When I was about 10 years old I started meeting folks who on the one had would claim they were christian and on the other said that God didn't want white and black folks mixing because light shouldn't mix with darkness. Well... I'm like Barak in that I'm a mix... a mix of a mix of a mix creole type from a milwaukee clan but I was light and darkness incarnate according to their perversion of what Paul was saying when he asked "what fellowship hath light with darkness, or the table of God with the table of satan?"
I said for awhile that I didn't believe in God anymore... I was a 10 year old atheist for awhile... but later as I was re-reading the bible like it was a text book looking for ammunition I found out that alot of what christians said in church... alot of what they were saying about society and the races and just about everything else was complete and utter non-sense according to their own book. And I believe in the God of Abraham all over again and still do.
Allllll that to say... what you don't know about christianity may not be so stupid and ridiculous. | |
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Posted: 2/25/2008 2:17:34 PM | I dont like Obama's Church Doctrine,....Period.
To me,...its just the same as a "White Denomination Church" full of religious bigots,...
which I've seen a few.
One of the reasons I quit going to Church,......if a Church doesnt Welcome Everyone With Open Arms, amnd an Open Mind,...then they have No Business pretending to be spreading "Gods Word".....
I have always heard that "Calvery" was a very open minded community, that allowed all races, creed, and races of people with open arms.
My experience, was much the same as a lot of other Church's,....they talk a lot of "Gods Work,...and "Jesus Words",.....but it basicly boils down to if you will bow down to their "Doctrine" and accect "Their Way" as the "One and Only" because theres "Only One Way To Get To Heaven,.....and ITS OUR WAY !"
BULL,..........
Im not knocking God,....Im not knocking Jesus,........
Im knocking the two faced bigots that go to Church, and pray for the goodness of mankind,.........
Then walk out the doors,...and turn a deaf ear to societies problems,......
Look down their nose at people less fortunate,......
Think their better than other people just cause their a "Christian"
Hypocrite's,........not all,........but many.
The Bible teaches us that were all Gods Children,......and for any Church,....to profess that they are the one, true way,..to Salvation,...is an outright lie,......
For any Church,....In America,.............to lay claim to only Honor Mother Africa,.......
is biased, and NOT PREACHING THE WORD ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE.
Its a sin in GODS eyes,......and its a sin in ours.
You want to Honor Mother Africa ????? Do It !
But as far as a Presidental Canidate belonging to a Church,...that doesnt mention AMERICA,...anywhere on their web site,........and their Presidental Canidate refuses to Honer America by wearing a simple little AMERICAN FLAG PIN,...or Hold His Hand Over His Heart during the Pledge od Aligence,..........HAS NO PLACE RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA !
GO RUN FOR PRESIDENT OF AFRICA ! | |
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Posted: 2/25/2008 3:29:16 PM | I don't have to hear a politician talk for much more than five minutes and my intuition will start to give me messages. I knew America would rue the day Dubya was elected and remember fondly the bygone days of Bill Clinton, and hence we've mostly shuddered our way through the darkness of this seven and a half year nightmare.
I hear Barak Obama speaking and I feel the light of reason finally breaking through again for America. New direction, new hope, a new face of brotherhood toward other nations, sensible negotiation, and peace, finally the possibility of blessed peace. | |
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Posted: 2/25/2008 3:34:42 PM | | I'd like to believe that garry1949, but my intuition says differently. | |
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Posted: 2/25/2008 4:06:15 PM | sky
I'd like to believe that garry1949, but my intuition says differently.
Well... I would much rather have a black man run who is well... a black American man descended from slaves. Obama is a recent mix... my families been mixed for generations and is descended from everything from slaves, free slaves, French and German Americans.
So I'm announcing my bid for the Presidency on the Real African American ticket.
OK... so how's your intuition now? Statueman for President! | |
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Posted: 2/25/2008 4:54:01 PM | *smiles* we are all colours and equally so.
I'll stay tuned stats... you're a good stick...
OMMMMMMM... ( )
just tuning, hang in there. :) | |
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Posted: 2/26/2008 5:27:35 PM |
*smiles* we are all colours and equally so.
I am going to be completely honest when I say this; if you shake me family tree,what hits the ground will come in a variety but I must admit for I can not ignore the fact that within that variety,there are benefits and privileges(and some unearned)that makes it not all equally the same.
And even with things like pluralism,assimilation,interaction,there is still going to be a dominant group in place that has the power and with that power comes freedom to dominate along side giving one option and/or privilege to ignore that things like income and education are important indicators in a group's place in this stratification system and option and/or privilege to ignore that the more one group diverges from the economic status of the majority,then the lower it's rank in the social hierarchy and again I say,....these rankings of groups in society that are based on their access to power resources and perceived societal worth AND it DEPENDS on a system of structured inequality.
Example; Many theorists will argue that the relative powerless of minority groups provide a basis for exploitation and a pool of cheap labor for the ruling class.And it is argued that racial or ethnic minorities who are willing to accept jobs at very low wages restrict the wages of ALL workers because workers from majority groups who demand higher wages can be replaced by low-status,relatively powerless minority members.
So in response to this;
I am curious to where is the "white cringing America" that gets talked about so much? Obama seems to be winning most every state and he isn't winning by minority votes alone.
First,I believe that Fiddler did a excellent posting to answer which one's may be doing the "cringing" and as for the votes,you are right.He is not winning by minority votes alone...
he is winning the votes of those that have been with a company for many years and being forced into early retirement for someone else's economic gain,he's winning the votes of the ones that just got offered a package deal and the companies are hoping this one will take that package so they can replace this person by bringing in someone that they can get to do the same job for lesser pay,and he's winning the votes of those like myself that have already lost their jobs through things like Nafta and have been forced back into the educational process at the age of 40 or 50 and for some 60 years of age....who knows really....he may be winning votes because there some cats out there that are thinking,what is she doing....presidential candidates ain't suppose to cry on national TV.They're suppose to be tough as woodpecker lips (Shhh,I know,a woodpecker don't have lips) maybe that was bad joke, and although I am one of those that lost their job through Nafta for two dollars an hour and a taco(just overlook my uncanny wit)and Hilary did vote for Nafta,I still see her as one with experience and one that can stand alone own her own merits and accomplishments within the political realm .
So who lives in the ghetto?
Just so happens,I am a woman,student,worker and mother that lives alone in the ghetto with my two kids and yes I have felt the social winds touch down just long enough to toss the extended hand into orbit.And it just so happens,that although being a woman is considered a numerical majority in American society,we still have minority status... and I do know how it feels to make it to a level playing field in certain areas and/or arenas,standing on my own merits and virtue and that the same time still having to prove to others that I have earned the right to be there on that playing field....
so make no mistake...indeed,there are two presidential candidates representing the minority. And one can try to make this about religion, or about picking your nose in public and so and so on...but I have a different take on all this.The United States has one of the lowest voter turnouts in the democratic world and I actually believe that you will see an rise in the voter turnouts...I think people need hope and change and that's got many more showing up at the polls and casting their vote. | |
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Posted: 3/18/2008 11:14:30 AM | OK I will now withdraw my candidacy as an independant and even though I predict Mc Cain for the win I now support Senator Obama.
What a speech that was!!! HE SHOTS HE SCOOORRRREEEESSSSS
you go Barak... with your racist white grandma and your racist black pastor...
You know... Ferraro was right but boyyyy was she wrong. | |
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