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 jb53028

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Posted: 6/23/2008 12:46:03 PM
Faith I totally agree with you on your point that what happens is what was ment to happen... I also have a strong faith. Trust me the kkk and neo nazi are not the ones that could pull off an assasination .... they are a bunch of idiots.... Stop and think about the ramifications of this country watching the news and hearing the president has been assasinated???? I can not even imagin what would happen all across this nation, there would be riots everywhere. Stop and think about what would happen to the stock market if that happened.... this country would go belly up, and would be ruined... I do not believe this country would ever recover from that.
 FredHH

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Posted: 6/23/2008 12:59:03 PM
Posted By: ahoytheredave
Faith, I see you answered my question about what Obama offers good for the country:
Nothing.

Yes. Obama has already brought out racism in America. 80% of Black Americans who voted, voted against the non-black candidates. He did not get similar support from any other demographic. Since he does not share their history, only skin color and a record of supporting racial hate against non-black Americans, it's pretty clear he does bring out racism. I seriously doubt Powell or Rice would be so racially dividing or have such support from Black Americans yet without a doubt, they would would energize conservative voters. I would suggest Obama supprters think about it but his supporters seem to be more driven by racism than thought.



In fact... ONLY blacks are voting as a "racial block"

The numbers in the polls don't lie. You can question the method of the polling... but OVERWHELMINGLY blacks are saying that race is a large factor in who they are choosing to vote for.

12% to 25% of whites are responding that race is A consideration.
25% to 90% of Blacks are responding that race is THE PRIMARY consideration.

Yes... Blacks are showing themselves to be the real racists.... Not whites.


Its time for blacks to quit "playing the race card" when they don't get what they are being led (by some one who wants to promote racism) to want.

I know... its not "politically corret" to tell blacks that they are acting in a racist manner.

But you don't convince a moronic racist KKK member that racisim is a bad thing by running around shouting "Black Power!"

Try to think of what might actually PROVE to that moron in the KKK that he is a moron.

And quit teaching racism to your kids... all that does is make it so it will take another 30 to 50 years before we have a chance to cure thre problem.

ACTUALLY READ Dr King's "I have a Dream" speach...
(Damn that man was smart.... He KNEW the answer....)
 faith2565

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Posted: 6/23/2008 1:10:17 PM
Latest News:
Obama braces for race-based ads as Republican vows fair but tough campaign
By CHARLES BABINGTON (Associated Press Writer)
From Associated Press
June 23, 2008 1:22 PM EDT
WASHINGTON - A presidential candidate who's named Hussein and wears a turban? A building that's called the White House but run by a black guy?

Those political images and ideas already have found their way onto TV airwaves and campaign buttons, possible harbingers of racially tinged messages in a general election involving the first black candidate to head a major party's ticket.

Though the election is more than four months away, the campaigns of Democrat Barack Obama and Republican John McCain are shaping their strategies for dealing with such appeals.


The Obama campaign vows to fight back fiercely and fast, not repeating John Kerry's mistake of waiting to respond to the 2004 "Swift Boat" ads that Democrats saw as a smear of his military record. McCain's camp is alert for attacks on its man, too.

The McCain campaign promises to condemn any race-based political appeals. But it also insists it won't stand still for false charges of racism or for allegations merely aimed at preventing criticism of Obama on legitimate issues.

"Every word will be twisted to make it about race," said Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham, a McCain friend and adviser. When he and others confront Obama on issues such as national security and the economy, Graham said, it will have "nothing to do with him being an African-American."

Obama adviser David Axelrod said the Democrat's campaign will be on high alert for code words or innuendo meant to play on voters' racial sentiments. "We're going to be aggressive about pushing back on anything that we feel is inappropriate or misleading," he said.

It's not enough for McCain to say he cannot control independent groups airing racially charged ads on his behalf, Axelrod said, noting that the "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth" was independent of President George W. Bush's campaign.

"We've seen this movie before," he said. "And we're not going to be passive in the face of those kinds of tactics."

Racially charged criticism of Obama already has surfaced in several states.

Shortly before North Carolina's May 6 primary, the state Republican Party aired a TV ad linking Democratic candidates to Obama, who was described as "too extreme" because of his ties to the retired Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr.

Obama eventually ended his relationship with Wright, his longtime pastor who had been criticized for sermons in which he cursed America and accused the government of conspiring against blacks. The state party ignored McCain's repeated calls to kill the ad.

In South Dakota, a TV station briefly aired an ad that was edited to show Obama saying, "we are no longer a Christian nation, we are also a Muslim nation." It omitted his saying, in the same speech, that the United States is not solely a Christian nation.

The ad, which included a photo of Obama wearing a turban as part of a traditional outfit given to him in Africa, concluded with a man saying: "It's time for people of faith to stand against Barack Hussein Obama." A group called the Coalition Against Anti-Christian Rhetoric paid for the ad, which stations quickly dropped after the Obama campaign complained.

The Texas Republican Party recently cut ties with a vendor whose political buttons at a party convention included one saying: "If Obama is president ... will we still call it The White House?" Texas Republican Party spokesman Hans Klingler said, "we will neither tolerate nor profit from bigotry."

Political professionals differ on how much racially tinged campaigning might emerge this summer and fall. Terry Holt, a Republican strategist who worked on Bush's 2004 re-election campaign, said Republicans know that McCain has no tolerance for such tactics. For the McCain campaign, he said, "it's not about what Obama looks like, it's about what he's going to act like."

"I think we can have an honest and tough debate without race being a major factor," Holt said.

Obama, however, said he expects hard-hitting ads, possibly dealing with ethnic matters, from independent groups. Defending his decision last week to reject public financing in order to raise and spend more money on his campaign, Obama told reporters: "There was an ad run in South Dakota... where it took a speech that I had made, extolling faith, and made it seem as if I had said that America was a Muslim nation."

In a new Washington Post-ABC News poll, about one in five whites said a candidate's race is important in determining their vote. But Obama fared no worse among those voters than among those who said race was a small factor or none at all.

U.S. politics has a long history of racially charged campaigns. Opponents hit Democrat Michael Dukakis with a now-infamous TV ad showing Willie Horton, a black inmate who raped a white woman while free on a weekend release program that Dukakis had supported.


Former Republican Sen. Jesse Helms defeated a black opponent after airing an ad in which a white man's hands crumpled a letter informing him that he had lost a job he deserved to a minority.

Kathleen Hall Jamieson, an authority on political communications at the University of Pennsylvania, said overt racial references are risky. But more subtle ads might stir doubts in voters' minds that could lead, in part, to racially tinged subjects, she said.

"The appeal that suggests that Senator Obama is 'out of touch with American values' invites audiences to ask what 'American' means," Jamieson said. Are voters being asked to link Obama to Wright's anti-American remarks? she said. "To question his patriotism? To fill in their fears and stereotypes? Foreigner? Muslim? For some, that appeal may elicit race-based reactions."
 FredHH

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Posted: 6/23/2008 1:13:19 PM
Republicans don't have to post racist ads...

Obama is making enough racist moves all on his own to prove that he's racist.


All we have to do is sit back and watch him self destruct.
 faith2565

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Posted: 6/23/2008 1:15:46 PM
Fred have a blessed day!
 Ahoytheredave

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Posted: 6/23/2008 1:47:15 PM
So Obama will cause racial bitterness in the country. What's news about that? Sounds like a good reason he should not get the highest office in the land.

Racism is what Obama is all about. It defines his law practice, his political career, his church and now his run for president. He is the definition of the race card levereging political correctness to get power.

I am still waiting to see ANYTHING positive about Obama.

When you post something making note of some old southern Republican associated with racism, don't forget one of the top Democrats was a KKK recruiter.
 jb53028

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Posted: 6/23/2008 2:15:04 PM
I'm with Ahoy......

Someone please tell me something that is positive about Obama!!!
I would really like to know.
 Shende1923

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Posted: 6/23/2008 2:38:34 PM
Im sure it's apparent the closest I came to politics was with my ex running for a local office and my A in both required Govt's.... as one of you just posted.. and I do take offense too... is the racisim by one certain group... it happens to be African Americans... or Blacks.. I'm not even sure how to be correct now.... instead of females since the MAN won out again! LOL... seriously.. what is the deal? why cant people just be who they are from their own deeds and warrant?
 faith2565

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Posted: 6/23/2008 3:30:38 PM
I am not going to argue with grown people.

You guys if you feel he is a racist or that black people are racist. If you feel this is a conspiracy cooked up by black people and Obama it will not matter what I say. So, I have nothing to say. There is another candidate. You do not see me making any derogatory comments about McCain. On election day, when you walk in the booth, pull the switch for McCain and move on.

I have not made a derogatory comment about McCain, what I posted was an article on-line. That is the wonderful thing about America. You are free to vote for whom you please.

You know I have always had a problem when a couples relationship ends or one friend does not like another friend and one side continues to be so negative. I have always distanced myself from negative people.

Once more, if you feel that Obama all the black/African Americans in the world are racist. If you feel that I am a racist. On election day please vote for McCain or the independent candidates.

Some of you say we are just making a point, but as one of the moderators stated on another forum. Once, your point is made move on. It is your point it does not have to be everyone's point.

I am an advocate that we must vote for the person that is closet to our heart and beliefs. If you feel that Obama, black people or that I am a racist vote for another person.

Maybe the article was correct. Maybe the television show was correct. Obama being on the ticket is causing true personalities to surface.
 ShabbiKid

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Posted: 6/23/2008 3:35:14 PM
Some should fact find before declaring Obama anything but who he is..."ARAB"decent.... Nothing postive to say about Obama....Obama's family bought and sold slaves....

For the record there is doubt where Obama was actually born...His campaign released a birth certificate,however, Dr.Sowell is investigating ,so far there is no record Obama was born in the hospital he claims....http://www.hcsfjm.com/sowell.html




http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1978002/posts


Many will find these truths unsettling. I’m often asked, “But I thought his father was Kenyan. How could Mr. Obama not be African-American, how could his ethnic composition be so Arabic?”
The definitive clue to that answer is to look at his name, his father’s name, and the names of all his ancestors on his father’s side. They are all Arabic.

Researching his roots reveal that on his father’s side, he is descended from Arab slave traders. They operated under an extended grant from Queen Victoria, who gave them the right to continue the slave trade in exchange for helping the British defeat the Madhi Army in southern Sudan and the Upper Nile region. Funny how circular is history; now the British again face the Madhi Army, albeit this time Shiite, not Sunni, as in nineteenth century Sudan.

But telling America’s black community that while their ancestors were breaking the shackles of slavery, Mr. Obama’s ancestors were placing those shackles upon their wrists would hardly play as an Oprah Winfrey best-seller.



Whoever thinks America is a Christian Nation and a Muslim nation must be kidding everyone here...



http://www.student.org/islam/MuslimBeliefs.htm

http://aolsearch.aol.com/aol/search?encquery=d62c0699e5b4e487eba2bd7a264799df&invocationType=keyword_rollover&ie=UTF-8



Muslims and Jesus Christ

Most Christians are fairly uninformed about Islamic beliefs. In a similar way, many Muslims do not understand or are ignorant of Christian teaching about Jesus. Most Muslims believe that Jesus (whom they call Sidna Isa) was a remarkably good prophet who was sent to the Jews to bring them back to an Israeli form of Islam. Muslims believe that Islam was the religion which was practiced by all the prophets (Abraham, David, Moses, Solomon, Jonah and others). Afterwards their followers corrupted the true faith.

Muslims think of Jesus as a prophet who is reputed to have done miracles, but most of them have no knowledge of most of His life and ministry. Jesus is highly honored by Muslims as a holy man, but is not seen to be divine. In recent times many Muslims have pointed to the so-called Gospel of Barnabas as being a source document about the Muslim Jesus. This document portrays a Jesus who is radically Islamic. Many believe that this so-called Gospel was possibly written around the year 1600 by a Muslim living in Spain. It was certainly not written by the disciple Barnabas who was a contemporary of Paul.

(For more information about the Gospel of Barnabas, see the websites: (Christian site: http://answering-islam.org/Barnabas/, Muslim site: www.islam101.com/barnabas).

Muslims claim that Jesus did not die on the cross - such a death is considered to be unworthy of such a good prophet. They affirm that Jesus was taken up to heaven without dying. Generally they think that Judas Iscariot was crucified in the place of Jesus, and that God supposedly transformed his face to make him look like Jesus. Judas is seen as being a traitor who received just punishment while Jesus escaped.

Muslims equally affirm that Jesus (Isa) will return to earth from heaven sometime before the end of the world to punish the Jews and Christians for their corruption of religious faith and practice. Eventually Jesus will die a natural death and later be resurrected to be judged with all men during the last days. The Muslim idea of Christ is actually significantly different from the Christ of the Bible.
 faith2565

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Posted: 6/23/2008 3:38:13 PM
Latest News: (Please post things concerning McCain)
Obama tells women he supports equal pay
By SARA KUGLER (Associated Press Writer)
From Associated Press
June 23, 2008 4:41 PM EDT
ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. - Democrat Barack Obama, determined to win over female voters, talked Monday about the women who helped shape his life in arguing that he would be a better proponent of equal pay than Republican John McCain.

The presumed Democratic nominee toured a baking facility and chatted with female workers about their economic challenges.

Sen. Obama told how he was raised by a single mother and his grandmother, who made sacrifices to support their family. He told them that Sen. McCain opposed legislation earlier this year that would have made it easier for women to sue their employers for pay discrimination. Obama supported the bill.


"I'll continue to stand up for equal pay as president - Senator McCain won't, and that's a real difference in this election," Obama said.

McCain has said he supports equal pay for women but had said the measure would lead to more lawsuits.

Obama also said he would expand the child care tax credit, increase funds for after-school programs and expand the Family and Medical Leave Act to cover small businesses, so that companies with as few as 25 employees would be covered.

Later during a question-and-answer session with a group of about 30 women, Obama said he constantly questions the balance of work and family in his personal life.

"I'm away from my daughters all the time, and I'm away from my wife all the time," Obama said. "And so I'm always comparing, 'OK, is what I'm doing - running for president or even being president - worth the sacrifice of not being with my family?'"

Since he clinched the Democratic presidential nomination earlier this month and Clinton abandoned her bid, Obama has praised her most often in the context of what her campaign did for women, often mentioning his two daughters as examples of those who will benefit from the barriers Clinton broke.

Women supported the former first lady by just 7 percentage points in the Democratic primaries, though Obama managed to win majority backing from females in a dozen states and tied Clinton in four others. The real distinction was by race: White women preferred Clinton by 24 percentage points, while black women backed Obama by nearly 70 points.


Obama again praised Clinton as a trailblazer on Monday, saying the nation has come closer to one where women have equal opportunities "because of the extraordinary woman who I shared a stage with so many times throughout this campaign - Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton."

His campaign also announced the location of his first appearance with Clinton. The former foes will campaign together on Friday in Unity, N.H. The name evokes the candidates' desire to unite the party, and the place is symbolic, too - each candidate received 107 votes there on Jan. 8, when the state held its primary that Clinton ultimately won.

Obama was following his New Mexico stop with an appearance in Las Vegas on Tuesday. The Illinois senator has set those states and Colorado in his sights as potential battlegrounds in the election against McCain. The three Western states were once Republican strongholds, but Democrats sense opportunities to win there this year.
 Shende1923

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Posted: 6/23/2008 3:59:57 PM

Obama's family bought and sold slaves....


is he announcing that fact? My grandfather spent years of his life on trackin the "roots" .. of course we were white but he did spend years of his and found them all the way back to Virginia in 1700's.... when my kids had to do the family tree thing in the 3rd grade... Man! I was ready...they'd get an A for sure! (from the white teacher) then I looked at all the photos available.. saw one of my great great grandfather in his military uniform..( I didnt know a Confederate uniform from a Union one until somone .... a friend told me.. and no this friend was not a white person) saw his release papers from being held prisoner... kept reading and learned alot about my "roots".. for instance two , what i consider great things are, one was one of the top 5 penmen of the world.... I have samples of his work... almost illegible... and the other.. a patent #for a plow.. that was sold along with the slaves they apparently owned.. along with the property at 4th and somewhere down town Austin Texas today......THE plow John Deere bought.....
so all of that matters why? NONE... just like my vote? all that counts, I hope is based on my merit and my deeds... thus my warrant.. America will have a President.. and as American's... we will respect the office... even if respect is not earned by the holder...

Thank you for your son's service to this great country... I pray he will come home to you... he wont be the same but considering the alternative it's a blessing!
 faith2565

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Posted: 6/23/2008 4:30:53 PM
Many African American families owned slaves. During slavery several prominent African American families owned slaves. After slavery many African American families had share croppers. That is a fact. Look up free people of color.

http://www.issues-views.com/index.php/sect/1006/article/1091

 jb53028

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Posted: 6/23/2008 5:01:09 PM
Still waiting to hear something good about Obama????
 FredHH

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Posted: 6/23/2008 6:26:57 PM
Faith... thanks for your display of complete ignorance in my PM box.

I realize that you are unable to learn... so I will excuse it.
 FredHH

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Posted: 6/23/2008 6:29:28 PM

Posted By: faith2565
I am not going to argue with grown people.



Because you are unable to pass off the lies and hate that you can get away with when arguing with children?
 Shende1923

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Posted: 6/23/2008 6:41:47 PM
Faith... thanks for your display of complete ignorance in my PM box.

I realize that you are unable to learn... so I will excuse it.

you are out of line Fred... there is no need for this kind of comment... she's a grown woman who has faced more than you can ever imagine.. and over come it... and had the guts to open up a political forum...take a chill pill already? geesh...PM is for women as in PMS.. and i'll just hush now before i get banned....to stay on topic i guess we will wait and see which poison was picked?
 faith2565

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Posted: 6/23/2008 7:29:24 PM
Thanks Shende,

For your support. I really do not desire this forum to be closed are anyone on here banned. The title of the forum is "Presidential Election (What do you think). Which is your opinion. Let us respect all opinions and operate in a safe and civil environment.

Let the discussion continue.

Does anyone have information on McCain? We have discussed Obama.

Have a blessed day!
 Ahoytheredave

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Posted: 6/23/2008 8:44:13 PM
As I stated before, McCain has demonstrated his patriotism and independence from main stream Republicans. His name is attached to campaign finance reform. He worked with a group of other republicans and democrats to overcome the divisions in the legislature. These characteristics contrast with Obama who has demonstrated a lack of patriotism and no effort to reach out to the opposition. Obama spoke often of his pledge to use only public financing for his campaign but has since changed his mind. Is that a clear comparison?

As for McCain being "another Bush" how about comparing Bush's stand on the middle east before 9/11 with Obama. They are virtually identical. 9/11 taught Bush that he couldn't ignore serious commitment in the middle east.

As for the bill enabling even more law suits over even more trivial charges: I applaud anyone who has the guts to go against the power of lawyers that make up 80% of the legislature. They have rigged the law to be both ineffective against wrong doers and lucrative for the law profession. Obama and virtually every major democrat leader has made a fortune suing people. McCain is not a lawyer.
 faith2565

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Posted: 6/24/2008 8:24:48 PM
I was watching CNN today and really do like what the republicans have to say about drilling in America. I also like how they have been drilling in LA and keeping the environment safe, but when Gov. Perry of Texas began to talk he started sounding too much like a republican and covering up for large corporations. That is what is really hurting their side. Also, McCain was so happy having Arnold on his side, but Arnold got on the platform and did not see eye to eye with McCain's vision.

Barack and Hillary seem to be making amends. He is also in the lead on all national polls.

The republicans do have good idea's they just appear to money conscience and hold on to a few old idea's and we really do need to move pass that thinking.

Let us see what will happen. I truly feel that we can find away to drill in an environmentally safe manner while finding new ways to develop energy. The electric drills in LA were pretty nice.

What is Dobson talking about if he does not see a good candidate just do not vote. Is he advocating that people that do not see a good candidate just not vote. He just wanted to be on the media. (He is the minister that does not care for Obama or McCain. He told the media he would not vote for any of the candidates including Hillary. This will the first election in his life in which he just did not vote.)
Who cares?
 Ahoytheredave

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Posted: 6/25/2008 7:51:40 AM
I could go on for hours on the technologies of oil drilling but very few here have the technology background to understand it much less the ability make decisions based on it. They prefer to trust lawyer politicians with a similar lack of technological background to make those decisions for them.

It is sad that people tend to follow whatever interpretation they are fed by the press (80% Democrat) instead of thinking for themselves.

Just what are the old ideas Republicans hold on to?

New ideas include carbon credits as a way to increase energy prices for profit under the guise of environmentally friendly. The reality is that the very people trying to create this futures "market" are the ones who will be sticking it to you with higher energy costs. You think your electric bill is high now, just wait. Think in terms of "carbon surcharges" on your bill in addition to "fuel surcharges". As long as we trust our energy supply to lawyers, we will be screwed.

New ideas include mandates to produce alcohol for fuel. This raises food costs and virtually eliminates available food for third world famine relief. The amplified crop cycles for fuel grains result in algae blooms in lakes and around river deltas. That damages fishing further raising food costs. The decaying delta sea life produces massive amounts of CO2 and Methane, the very “green house gasses” the Democrats say are so bad. The gulf dead zone around the Mississippi delta is huge and rapidly growing. And this is good for the environment? Our own Rick Perry has been leading the domestic charge to stop this environmental and humanitarian trainwreck created by the likes of Al Gore. He is not alone. The president of India has called it a crime against humanity. As long as we trust our planet to lawyers, we will be screwed.

New ideas include government bureaucrats in charge of rationing health care to control its cost. The lawyers who have become filthy stinking rich suing doctors, hospitals, and insurance companies say everyone but themselves are to blame for the rising cost. Lawyers are the biggest financial support block for the Democratic party. As long as we trust our bodies to lawyers, we will be screwed.

Other financial support for Democrats come from billionair futures traders like George Soros who is currently behind the oil futures trading accounting for 30% of the cost of oil. (Think gas at $2.80 instead of $4.00) The intent is to drive Republicans out of office by wreaking havoc in the economy is such a way as to divert blame on Republicans through a press sympathetic the Democrats. The scheme is too complex for the rank and file brains of Obama supporters or the press (80% Democrats) so it works. As long as we trust our financial wellbeing to lawyers, we will be screwed.

The old ideas of Republicans that I find disturbing is their claim to be the party of freedom. Sure, they support fiscal self-determination but in social areas, they are firmly in favor of government control. The Democrats aren't much better by favoring government control along politically correct lines. I would like to remind everyone, there are more choices than Obama and McCain or Republicans and Democrats.
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Posted: 6/25/2008 10:37:19 AM
Its too late for it to work this election cycle...

We need an nternet based grass roots write-in campaign.

No primary... no party.

find a group of candidates. All non-lawyers. All successful in thier fields. All would be accepting a pay cut.... All would want to work together to rewrite the government back in line with what the constitution REALLY meant.

Get those people the education on the constitution and the Founding Fathers' intent. (Federalist papers would be required reading.)

And get them elected by write-in... NONE of thier names on the ballots ON PURPOSE.

Send a message to politicians that we won't take it any more. No more of the damn special interest group pandering. No more pork barrel spending. No more lobbyists (make it a crime to be a lobbyist... as they operate now....)

A real voter's revolution.

The federal budget is so full of graft and waste its a crime.

If any company's board of directors acted as our congressmen do... they'd be up on multiple felonies. Its time to make these criminals accountable for the crimes against the country.
 faith2565

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Posted: 6/25/2008 1:12:56 PM
I really do kinda hope that Obama picks up Clinton as his running mate. Then that would be at least 36 million votes. I think it could happen.
 flyonthewall!

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Posted: 6/25/2008 1:20:09 PM
^ ^ ^ ^ Oh please no. That would give an incompetent a reasonable shot at becoming President (on the tails of his VP who IS competent). We've already HAD 8 years of incompetence. It's time for something else.

I hope the electorate has the common sense not to vote on the credentials of the Vice President, because it is the President who has the clout.

Obama with Clinton, Obama without Clinton equals the same incompent Presidential candidate.
 HowDidIGetHere

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Posted: 6/25/2008 3:16:00 PM
The truth is that we are locked (locked? No, make that a “death grip”!) into a petroleum-based economy, that oil production has probably peaked, that the remaining oil will be more expensive to collect, and that viable alternatives are not only years away, but are probably being thwarted by the petroleum powers that be. In this harsh reality, even a liberal environmentalist type like myself agrees with McCain and his reversal – start drilling off-shore and wherever you can find it! I only pray that sufficient safeguards are in place to prevent a disaster, be it terrorist or environmental (or just plain old human error). Oh… then let’s also concern ourselves with our broken health care and educational systems. Yeah, the next President will have much on his plate.

To quote from Michael Douglas’ wonderful speech from The American President: “…We have serious problems to solve, and we need serious people to solve them. And whatever your particular problem is, I promise you, [whomever] is not the least bit interested in solving it. He is interested in two things and two things only: making you afraid of it and telling you who’s to blame for it. That, ladies and gentlemen, is how you win elections.”
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