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Posted: 7/1/2008 7:30:35 AM | Shenade, the problem is that most Americans are ill-informed. To quote Chairman Mao, "Into empty minds, many wonderful things can be put." Our press selects its anchors for celebrity value and loyalty to those who pull the strings. Intelligence and truth tend to fall away. The press seems more interested in whether the latest celebrity is wearing her underwear when partying than genocide in some place our sons and daughters may have to go. The genocide story may seem of little consequence in some back-water country with no oil but it is a matter of dominating the masses of the world in a struggle against free will. We are short sighted to ignor it. Afganistan was just such a back-water place where years before we butted heads with the Soviets then abandoned them to the fanatics. Much of the world is so very similar. Now Obama wishes to abandon Iraq to the fanatics but it is empowed by oil, Afganistan was not and look what happened.
The Democrat "brand" represents retreat while embracing the publicity of its celebrity endorsers (when they are not in rehab). Retreat is perhaps its strongest campaign issue.Their claims to represent personal freedom and civil rights ring hollow in the repression of political correctness. As long as social conservatives in the Republican party cling to the ideal that people cannot be trusted with their own moral freedom, the Democrat's hold on the personal freedom banner is strong.
The global warming religious fanatics in the Democrat party were favoring $5.00 gas years ago to curtail consumption. Do you really think they favor anything that would lower the price? The problem with such an ideal is that it cannot be forced in a free market democratic process. Look for court actions to force such draconion measures such as listing Polar bears as endangered despite their huge polulation increases in last couple of decades. It is a step toward court mandated CO2 limits. | |
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Posted: 7/1/2008 10:36:59 AM | Howdidi gethere, this time I do believe the person with the most votes will win. Trust me I do understand your point of view many of the votes that were not counted belong to the poor and disenfranchised. But, in my heart I do not think that will happen this time.
Have a blessed day! | |
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Posted: 7/1/2008 12:56:10 PM | Faith, I’m sure you’re correct – this time, the popular and electoral votes will match. But that doesn’t alter the fact that because many areas of our nation still have sub-standard, antiquated, or faulty voting systems, we still – after 8 years – have the problem. According to the Verified Voting Foundation, “the only tried-and-true technology for providing a voter-verified audit trail is a paper ballot, where the votes recorded can be easily read and checked by the voter. With appropriate election administration policies (for example, ensuring the physical security of ballots), voters can be reasonably confident of the integrity of election results.”
And sadly not an isolated incident, but it is the “little things” (ha-ha), like what the Houston Chronicle reported last year: “…following the November 6 election, Harris County election administrator Johnnie German ‘used high-security codes to tap into the Harris County elections computer system last week and change some of the results manually.’ It seems that the Hart Intercivic voting system used in Harris County allows anyone with access and a passcode to modify vote totals from an election without leaving any record of the modification.”
Hmm-mmm… and where is Johnnie now?!?!  | |
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Posted: 7/1/2008 9:54:17 PM | HowdidIGetHere,
I read or saw on CNN that some places are considering returning the paper ballot. I was trying to find it on line. If I do I will post it for you to read. | |
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Posted: 7/2/2008 7:43:18 AM | The popular and electorial votes are unlikely to match other than simple winner. In some states, your vote counts more than in other states based on how electorial votes are allocated. In states with more ballot choices, the winner take all process may actually give all the votes to a candidate whose opponents have a split turnout and their own sentiment is at odds with the majority. The 2000 Florida vote had such claims citing the Green party as hurting Democrats but then there was also a large turnout for Libertarians who tend to vote 80% Republican when no Libertarian is on the ballot. Note that in many Texas counties, there are more Libertarians on the ballot than Democrats! In states where turnout is low, your vote counts for more than in states with high turnout because turnout does not determine a state's number of electorial votes.
A professional organization I belong to has a far better voting process. You may vote for as many candidates as you find acceptable and the one candidate with the most votes will win.
It really doesn't matter what the voting mechanism is, as long as the ballots are anonymous, voting fraud is not only possible, its far more common than most people realize. The records can be kept private just like tax returns but allow for cross checking and prevent multiple voting. Voting could be online, by phone, by mail, or in person. One could even check his/her own voting record to check for fraud. | |
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Posted: 7/2/2008 9:18:40 PM | Howdiditgethere, I have not had a chance to look up that article.
But I did see this.
I am tired of Obama trying to convince people to vote for him, if they have made up their minds they are not. That is like arguing with people on this forum. I think he needs to move on.
If they do not believe he is a Christian, patriotic, or wears a flag pin who cares. It does not matter if he wrote a PH.D thesis on religion, painted his car to look like a flag and substituted the pledge for his grace over dinner. They are not going to vote for him. I think he should just keep his eye on the prize and move on.
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Obama: Service to be a cornerstone of presidency
By JENNIFER LOVEN (Associated Press Writer)
From Associated Press
July 02, 2008 9:33 PM EDT
COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. - Barack Obama urged people Wednesday to look past the "bustle and busyness" of their everyday lives this Fourth of July weekend to find a way to help make the American dream real not just for themselves, but for all.
The call for service is part of a flag-draped week focused on God, country, veterans and freedom. They are larger-than-life themes, all prominent in the successful campaigns of President Bush and aimed at introducing Obama to Americans who know little about the presumed Democratic nominee - or who may be skeptical based on what they've heard.
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You guys know me. I am not going to argue or try to prove myself to any one, but I am also not running for President.
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Posted: 7/3/2008 6:35:55 AM | But, Faith, the candidates ARE engaged in a “please like me, please vote for me” contest – and, of course, they ARE running for President. Just take a look at Liz Sidoti’s recent AP story, “The ‘mushy middle’ hard to reach for Obama, McCain”.
She reports:
They’re the most fickle voters, and potentially the most powerful. Thus, with party nominations secure, John McCain and Barack Obama now are pushing toward the center to win them over.
Meet “the mushy middle,” a complex chunk of people likely to decide the presidential election but difficult to reach and very hard to please.
“Yes, we can!” isn’t floating their boat. Nothing much is, from either candidate.
They aren’t uniformly conservative or liberal, and they don’t fit strict Republican or Democratic orthodoxy. They aren’t typically engaged in politics, and they don’t much care about the campaign. And like so many others, they are extraordinarily pessimistic.
“To me, it’s not about the party, it’s about who is the best person for the job,” says Pam Robinett, 47, from Wellington, Kan., who always votes. Then again, “they’ll all lie, cheat and steal to get what they want.”
Talk about a tough sell.
“The country’s going to go to hell in a hand basket with this election,” seethes James Nauman, 55, from Lutz, Fla. “I don’t think Obama’s qualified and McCain’s another Bush. Neither of them really have impressed me.”
WOW! And I haven’t “seethed” for a long, long time!  | |
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Posted: 7/3/2008 6:56:45 AM | Faith, if your mind is closed, why continue?
You seem to argue it is we who have made up our minds yet we cite Obama's own actions and repeatedly ask for argument to explain yet you provide none. At best, you provide press analysis usually about polling numbers, not rationalization of Obama's actions.
Obama's biggest campaign issue has been Iraq. His most virulent supporters seem to have the idea he would order immediate pullout. I have not been able to assertain if that is his plan or not. What he says varies with the audience. He was against going into Iraq and it is debatable if that was wise only in light of the screwups by Brenner and Rumsfeld after the military invasion. He seems to indicate similar retreat everywhere in the world. Look at McCain in contrast. He was actually in Columbia when the Columbian army, remodeled with American help, pulled off a most excellent operation against a left wing insurgency empowered by drug money. Do you think that drug money comes more from Democrats or Republicans? (Defacto polling?) Before the headlines, the press was critical of McCain's trip, then they noticed the coincidence, now they are ignoring it. Interesting behavior to the observant. The reality is that backwater third world activities are important to our future.
Faith, I believe you when you say you are closed minded by saying you will not argue. Don't assume I am. I am not a fan of such brain atrophy. | |
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| Presidential Election (What do you think)
Posted: 7/3/2008 7:22:33 AM | Howdidigethere,
The evangelicals are trying to get McCain to pick up Huckabee as his VP. On a couple of other forums I discussed that option. What do you think about that?
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Conservative evangelicals discuss backing McCain
By ERIC GORSKI, AP Religion Writer
Wed Jul 2, 9:05 PM ET
Conservative evangelical leaders met privately this week to discuss putting aside their misgivings about John McCain and coalescing around the Republican's presidential bid while urging him to consider social conservative favorite Mike Huckabee as a running mate.
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I personally have no problems with Huckabee. I have much respect for him. What do you think? | |
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Posted: 7/3/2008 9:19:12 AM | Huckabee. (sigh) A man who speaks in “moral absolutes” – who has repeatedly said that it’s “impossible to separate politics from religion”. Who claims that in our hearts, we should all “reconciliate” and not “harbor anger, hostility, prejudice, bigotry and racism toward any person”, yet almost in the same breath says that “homosexuality is an aberrant, unnatural, and sinful lifestyle.” (?!?) He’d also have us stay in Iraq – and increase our presence there… indefinitely. He favors building a 700-mile long fence between here and Mexico, yet made it possible for illegal immigrants in Arkansas to be eligible for scholarships and in-state college. (?!?) Supports the death penalty, opposes gun control, abortion, and same-sex marriage/civil unions. There’s little I agree with him, but I respect him for not being your typical politician who slides from one view to another at whim of press coverage. (Or does he?  )
Yeah… going to be an interesting election. I’m guessing that McCain’s choice for a running mate with either make or break his victory. That’s the one to watch! But for Obama, it probably won’t matter – he will be the sole reason someone votes for doesn’t vote Democratic. And should Hillary get on that ticket, I will loose any remaining respect I have for her. | |
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Posted: 7/3/2008 10:19:51 AM | From my own perspective, Huckabee would be one of the worst choices McCain could make even though Huckabee's skills as a speaker are perhaps the best of all candidates this election cycle. I agree with Howdi pretty much across the board about Huckabee.
It will depend on the running mate to determine if the choice will be a factor. Obama has a history of association with people who embrace racial hate, terrorism, and anti-American comments. He could continue his poor choices and wreck his campaign or choose a ? nobody cares about. It would be difficult for Obama to select someone that could help him and easy to pick a liability. McCain could choose a running mate with strong economic background and actually get a small boost. To me, his ideal candidate would be Powell if he could talk him into it. Such a team would leave a very clear path of succession. After all, Powell is not truely black because he is not a Democrat. A similar case could be made for Dr. Rice although she is such an intense person, some people don't care for her. Either would have my vote based on what I know so far but neither has a "platform".
Hillary will probably want to keep her political name alive with a significant convention role and some loyalty to her followers. Her ideal situation would be to turn down a VP offer and hope McCain wins. She lives to fight another day when McCain is too old to run again. As Howdi demonstrates, her respect requires a loyalty to those who have supported her. | |
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Posted: 7/3/2008 2:30:41 PM | Well since you put it like that Howdidigethere, I will have to look a little closer at Huckabee. McCain is really going to have to dig deep if his top two choices are Huckabee and Romney.
Looking better for Obama every miniute. | |
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Posted: 7/4/2008 4:22:41 PM | Latest News;
Today while at the gym watching CNN they were discussing the following topics. Things are looking good for Obama.
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July 3, 2008
Gallup Daily: Obama 47%, McCain 43%
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July 2, 2008
Hispanic Voters Solidly Behind Obama
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July 2, 2008
As Independents Shrink, Democrats Gain
Downward trend in independents is typical in election years
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Obama looks to turn Montana blue in the fall
By MATT GOURAS (Associated Press Writer)
From Associated Press
July 04, 2008 6:20 AM EDT
HELENA, Mont. - Only two Democratic presidential candidates have carried Montana since 1948. Barack Obama is betting he can do it in November.
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But 10% of Clinton's followers say that now instead of supporting McCain, they just will not vote. Should we really worry about them?
Where do we go from here?
Looking good all of you Obamacons!
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Posted: 7/6/2008 4:45:17 PM | Kerry is bad mouthing McCain, but is this not the same guy that endorsed Obama while his old running mate was still running for president.
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Kerry says McCain lacks judgment to be president
By HOPE YEN (Associated Press Writer)
From Associated Press
July 06, 2008 3:42 PM EDT
WASHINGTON - John Kerry says Republican John McCain doesn't have the judgment to be president.
If that's the case, then it's probably a good thing McCain rejected overtures from Kerry, the Democratic presidential nominee in 2004, to form a bipartisan ticket and run with Kerry as his candidate for vice president.
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Will his words have weight?
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Posted: 7/8/2008 8:41:38 AM | Ahh-hhhh… okaaaaaaaay… this just in… and the election news goes from ridiculous to absurd! 
Pet owners prefer McCain over Obama
By RANDOLPH E. SCHMID, Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON (AP) — If the presidential election goes to the dogs, John McCain is looking like best in show.
From George Washington’s foxhound “Drunkard” to George W. Bush’s terriers “Barney” and “Miss Beazley,” pets are a longtime presidential tradition for which the presumed Republican nominee seems well prepared, with more than a dozen.
The apparent Democratic nominee Barack Obama, on the other hand, doesn’t have a pet at home.
The pet-owning public seems to have noticed the difference.
An AP-Yahoo! News poll found that pet owners favor McCain over Obama 42 percent to 37 percent, with dog owners particularly in McCain’s corner....
The rest of the article is at http://news.yahoo.com/page/election-2008-political-pulse-pets-and-politics | |
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Posted: 7/8/2008 9:33:21 AM | Maybe pet owners don't like Obama because they recognize something that will leave smelly expensive messes all over the place to be stepped in and have to clean up later.
Obama doesn't have pets as he has no experience managing anything. | |
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Posted: 7/8/2008 1:37:39 PM | | Really shouldn’t take this too far… but I will! Now, let’s see… what was the name of Bill Clinton’s cat? (Hey, c’mon, I wrote “cat”!) Socks? Hmm-mmm… sorta very close to another word… was that just Clinton’s destiny? Speaking of another Bill… didn’t Socks and Bill the Cat have a tawdry homosexual affair while in office?!?! Yep… get someone to Washington, and it’s just sex, sex, sex! | |
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Posted: 7/8/2008 2:40:48 PM | | The supreme court has ruled they have been oppressed and denied legitimacy for their relationship so that was not an affair at all, it was a right. At least now they can carry guns and defend their rights! | |
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Posted: 7/8/2008 2:58:32 PM | You guys have jokes. I needed a good laugh.
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Latest News......
McCain, Obama pitch economic plans to Hispanics
By LIZ SIDOTI and CHARLES BABINGTON (Associated Press Writers)
From Associated Press
July 08, 2008 3:25 PM EDT
WASHINGTON - Republican John McCain and Democrat Barack Obama pitched competing economic plans to Hispanics on Tuesday, the second time in as many weeks the presidential candidates directly appealed to this critical constituency.
The rivals, to be sure, were pressing anew their support for comprehensive immigration reform, a bedrock issue for Latinos, in separate speeches to the League of United Latin American Citizens.
But each was primarily focused on making his case that he - and not his opponent - could best lead the country out of economic straits and help the middle class achieve prosperity.
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Posted: 7/9/2008 1:15:27 PM | Ahoy the joke was not about Obama, it was in general, but I guess you think this one is cute also.
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NJ GOP Club takes Obama-O.J. slogan off Web site
From Associated Press
July 09, 2008 1:19 PM EDT
TRENTON, N.J. - A local Republican Club in New Jersey has removed a slogan from its Web site that read, "Obama loves America like O.J. loved Nicole."
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Who will they pick as running mates?
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McCain and Obama call for new pressure on Iran
By CHARLES BABINGTON (Associated Press Writer)
From Associated Press
July 09, 2008 1:11 PM EDT
SOUTH PARK, Pa. - The two main presidential candidates agreed Wednesday that Iran's missile tests call for renewed pressure on that country, but Democrat Barack Obama stressed direct diplomacy while Republican John McCain focused on tougher sanctions against Tehran.
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Obama mum on stop at VP search member's building
By LIZ SIDOTI (Associated Press Writer)
From Associated Press
July 09, 2008 1:27 PM EDT
WASHINGTON - Barack Obama made an unannounced stop Wednesday at a downtown building that houses the law firm of one member of his vice presidential search team but he wouldn't say why afterward.
What will happen next?
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Posted: 7/9/2008 2:17:41 PM |
Democrat Barack Obama stressed direct diplomacy while Republican John McCain focused on tougher sanctions against Tehran.
Obama seems to forget, Iran takes American diplomats hostage. With a history of lies and broken promises on the diplomatic front, just what would Obama do if say Iran launched its new missiles at Israel, our troops in Iraq and Afganistan, or oil facilities in Saudia Arabia? Tell them naughty naughty, don't do that again? It worked really well for Jimmey Carter. Does Barack have a brother we can name a beer after?
There was concern for some time that Iran would get hold of Iraq's "nonexistant" nuclear materials for its own nuclear weapons program but over 500 tons of the stuff is finally out of Iraq and safely in Canada.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25546334/
That amount should be enough to build over 100 warheads but we all know Bush lied because his faulty intelligence indicated Sadam was trying to get more. A potential 100+ nuclear warheads and 500+ existing chemical warefare shells must not have been enough threat to justify concern. | |
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Posted: 7/9/2008 8:17:46 PM | Ahoy,
I still prefer a diplomat to a war lord.
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How do you guys feel about Obama stating that Americans should speak Spanish. On this I disagree. We are a multi-cultural, multi-lingual country. Yes, I agree we should be encouraged to speak more than one language, but English is the language of the country.
Ahoy,
Before you become negative and racial, please stop and think about appearances. I can disagree with Obama and still support or vote for him.
Should Americans speak Spanish, English or several languages (as they do in other countries)? | |
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Posted: 7/10/2008 10:11:23 AM | I would not like to be told I had to learn Spanish. I would prefer it be a choice. That is where I differ in many ways to Obama. Through government tax and spend programs, we are forced to buy things we would prefer to have a choice. Obama clearly prefers such government mandates. That is proven by his legal career, sparce voting record, and political promises.
Your implications that I am racist are interesting. I will choose truth over political correctness any time.
As for serving my purposes, there are several languages I would prefer to learn before Spanish. Chinese and Japanese represent a powerful and growning influence in human technology. Russian not only represents a wealth of technology but several scientists and engineers I work with. I also deal with a number of German and French engineers and scientists. I related a story about hosting Itialian engineers and taking them out for TexMex. On the other hand, Spanish is uselful for hiring out yard work, home improvements, and buying fast food. In my entire career, I have never had a need to discuss advanced technology in Spanish. There are cultural aspects to the various languages of the world. Spanish in this country represents slave like illegal immigrant labor, drug gangs, a general lack of ambition in the form of personal improvement, and even little regard for life itself. Would you claim my observations are racist and why? I would argue repression of such observations are racist in both the repression itself and cultural impact. In a world where we must compete on the technological stage just to maintain our current lifestyle, does it make more sense to speak the language of the yard man or those we are competing against?
The latest squabble with racial overtones involving the Obama camp come from Rev. Jesse Jackson. Thinking his microphone was off, Jesse made several remarks about Obama that were not complementary. Jackson's critizism of Obama to me would be a complement to Obama. What is your opinion or is this yet another Obama related story you are not aware of? | |
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