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| Presidential Election (What do you think)
Posted: 1/15/2008 8:25:05 PM | | Here I go. First of all I don't think the present A ddimistration has done enouh to take care of our needs. We need to look at that very carefully. It is time to vote. Your vote counts. Vote carefully. | |
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Posted: 1/15/2008 8:52:34 PM | | Yes, I totally agree, but I have been trying to evaluate all of the candidates and I am stuck. This is a very important time in our history. What will we do? | |
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Posted: 1/15/2008 9:53:51 PM | Well, for the most part, the republicans and the democrats are two sides of the same coin.....if you vote for one of the mainstream candidates, then it dont matter which party you vote for as the result will be the same.....more freedoms lost, more power grabbed by the government that our founding fathers did not intend them to have.
Ron Paul is the only bright spot I have seen in politics in years. He wants to return the power to the people......which gets my vote.
Just my two cents worth.
which if it were 1963, would have the purchasing power of a whole dollar in todays money. | |
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Posted: 1/16/2008 9:09:45 PM | “…trying to evaluate all of the candidates and I am stuck.” Yes, faith2565, seems to me that’s exactly how they want us to feel. Stuck. Maybe it’s all just a popularity contest – that is, we vote for the nicest looking or most congenial smile. Yep, might be high school all over again.
So, let me ask you – and everyone else – what are your important issues? On which issues will you decide which candidate is best to lead this country? Clearly, some issues must weigh heavier on your conscious. Maybe you’re more concerned more about health care than our military in Iraq? Maybe our own borders and immigration? And what about the national budget and taxes? The environment? Energy? And what about those “other” wars – on poverty, on drugs, literacy, etc., etc.?
These candidate all have a lot of words, and lots of smiles, but where do they stand on the issues that are important to you??? | |
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Posted: 1/18/2008 7:09:42 AM | If you feel it is a popularity contest, perhaps you are using the wrong media. The popular press, be it the Democratic dominated "mainstream" media or conservative talk radio, both "popularize" candidates that favor their political leanings. At a professional meeting, our chosen speaker for the evening was a well known local TV personality. The purpose of the presentation was how to get maximum free publicity. The point he made was to find gaps in "news" to release product introductions etc. The mainstream media gets over 90% of its "news" directly from government sources so make your product announcements on government holidays. Any cnadidate that threatens to "cut" government is not a friend of main stream media. A big part of developing stories that sell, the media will play to the "there ought to be a law " crowd and thus any real efforts toward a more free society will run counter to the bread and butter of the main stream media. With these two main stream media forces, it is no wonder the people get screwed and the candidates getting the most press are groomed in a popularity contest.
I would suggest again that you examine candidates for their driving ideals. Are they trained professionals at saying what you want to hear for their paying clients? (lawyers) If so, do you really know what they will do? Is it like the Republicans who used to have a platform plank for term limits until they controlled Congress and totally forgot about it? Neither the democrat's TV and newspapers or the Republican's talk radio will bring up that subject. Power corrupts and it is safe to conclude, if they are in power, they have sold you out. They are also good at putting a nice spin on it, after all most are lawyers, and have the press as allies. There is one political movement that has been in this country for along time but runs counter to the forces of the main stream media and therefor don't get any recognition from them. In my county and at least one neighboring county, they have more candidates on the ballot than the Democratic party. That would be the Libertarian party. A former Libertarian presidential candidate is Ron Paul now running as a Republican but generaly with Libertarian ideals. Although he has received more donations in the fourth quarter than any other Republican candidate, the press tries to ignor him. Fox actually didn't invite him to a Republican presidential debate. Talk radio calls him all sorts of names on the infrequent times they will actually mention him. The Democrat's TV and Newspaper media puts even more effort into ignoring him despite the beating Giuliani in at least one primary. And you say Ron who? I don't expect Ron Paul to win but he is probably bringing more people into political discussion than any other candidate despite the press. Many of his supporters will likely vote for the actual libertarian candidate whoever that may be as Ron Paul has stated he does not intend to go third party if he looses the primary. By the way, he is a Doctor, not a Lawyer. Which profession would you trust?
Forums such as this are a good way to discuss actual issues with other people who may have studied the issues and aren't paid to popularize candidates. Sure there are some who will cheer for their brand no matter what but there are others who find candidates that actually talk to their ideals, not a pretty face. | |
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Posted: 1/18/2008 9:20:47 AM | Unfortunately experience is only an issue when it’s an incumbent. The Governor for the state of Texas isn’t experience enough to be the President of the United States. Most candidates taking the office find themselves unprepared for the job they are given. Normally it’s a process that takes several months to acclimatize for. Unless you’re Carter, in which case it took his whole presidency.
The president is only responsible for 3 things
Our head diplomat; it’s important (s) he’s charismatic. Capable of building relationships with our military?
Our economy; doesn’t write the budget but, does spend it.
Law Maker; veto power. Do they share your morals?
Believe it or not I’m actually a Democrat; have been a state delegate before. But, as President Bush’s successes and failures will impact your decisions let me clarify what he’s done right and wrong
Diplomat he’s alienated a lot of our long standing friends, he’s also strengthened a few bonds.
Economy; If the federal government didn’t doctor the numbers this would be a depression (where’s a Roosevelt when you need them); he’s clean up some long term depts., lowered the value of the dollar, which in the long term should strengthen the industrial base of our nation :)
Law Maker; he’s over emphasized the use of veto power; he’s strengthened the powers of his office which used to be considered weak verse the Supreme Court!
I would never dream of changing someones mind but, I'm backing Obama and hoping Edwards will take 2nd seat. The reason is democrats tend to make the middle class feel safer which does wonders for their spending habits, which does wonders for the economy... I think it goes back to FDR and the Great Depression??? They are also very charismatic and like minded like Kennedy.
If you can't bring yourself to vote for a democrat please consider Mccain, he obviously has great morals and is a war veteran that has served our government for much of his life... Please don't vote for Guliani, the man's an idiot, which is why his answer differ so far from every other politician. | |
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Posted: 1/18/2008 10:09:51 AM | I take it you are not going to vote for Bush.
Despite your claims that at best the job of President takes at lest a few months to learn, you feel the government should be our nanny knowing better how to manage our money, health care etc than we do. Having survived an expeience with socialized medicin, I have concluded I don't like FEMA style health care. | |
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Posted: 1/18/2008 11:56:25 AM | ahoytheredave, I hope that wasn't directed at me?
I worked in the healthcare industry for 7 years. I know the ins and outs of socialized medicine.... having worked for HCA the largest healthcare provider (at the time) in the world.
I think Obama has something on healthcare; I don't know that its alot, but, I do know it's not socialized healthcare.
As far as the Nanny thing I assume you mean the republican mentality that they want less government???
Let's clarify how ridiculous that statement is;
The last republican presidents Reagan and both Bushs' out spent Clinton by 10 fold (2 even raised taxes on the middle class) .
Subsequently, the line item veto was passed in 1996 by Democrats for Reagan... in an effort to reduce Governement and stop the "nanny" syndrome (A modern Republican platform). It dates back (however) to the Confederate States of America's Constitution (made by Democrats). The Republican Supreme Court ruled it partially unconstitutional in 1998 when mayor Giuliani brought suit (did I mention he was an idiot).
Or my favorite topic Abortion. First, I think abortion is immoral. But, it's rediculous to believe it's the Governement's responsibility to prevent a woman from having one... It's been a while but, before the Supreme Court made the ruling Roe v Wade women were having coat hanger abortions. Where I think it's a ludicrous platform is Roe v Wade upheld that a pregnancy was a private thing, of a private citizen, who happened to be a woman... and subsequently none of the government's business! The right to privacy is not written anywhere in the constituion. Long before Roe v Wade the Supreme Court ruled the right to privacy was an assumed God given right... Roe v Wade can only be undone if it is no longer considered a private matter.
CONTRARY TO POPULAR BELIEF MOST CHRISTIANS AREN'T GOOD, CARING, CONSIDERATE PEOPLE; MOST ARE INCREDIBLY SELFISH. REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS AREN'T SOCIALIST, ANARCHIST, OR THE LIKE BUT, A CAREFUL BALANCE. POLITICIANS AREN'T EVIL; THE AVERAGE PERSON IS JUST IGNORANT! | |
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Posted: 1/18/2008 1:20:06 PM | As if there wasn’t enough debate… I ask again, on which issues will you decide on a candidate??? (At least Merle Haggard is right.  )
I may not be a fan of his, but when Pat Buchanan, “America’s leading populist conservative” has something to say, I usually listen. The following is from his Jan 8th blog (http://www.buchanan.org/blog/):
“…The Democratic fight seems to be more about personality than philosophy. Barack and Hillary are both for national health insurance, both for bringing the troops home, both for battling global warming, and both for abortion and gay rights. In the GOP, however, the consensus seems to be breaking down and the conservative coalition breaking up.
Rudy is pro-choice and pro-gay rights. Fred Thompson and Ron Paul seem to be states’ rights men on both. Huckabee is solidly pro-traditional family and pro-life, positions to which Mitt has lately been converted. But the old Reaganite consensus is gone.
On taxes, a signature issue for the GOP, Huckabee raised them in Arkansas and McCain opposed cutting them at the federal level.
With Barack pulling Hillary to the left and the clamor for change pulling Republicans away from Bush’s brand of conservatism – i.e., Big Government, foreign policy bellicosity, globalism and open borders – the fall could bring a dramatic clash of philosophies and policies on the largest questions facing the nation.
Is it time to bring the U.S. troops home from Iraq, no matter the consequences? Under what conditions should the United States go to war again? Is Afghanistan winnable, and if so at what cost? Do we confront Iran or talk to Iran – and Russia?
Can a nation facing a Social Security-Medicare crisis and falling revenues from a failing economy afford not only a Democratic national health insurance program but the Republicans’ enlarged Army?
If the free-trade era is over, what replaces it? Reciprocal trade agreements? How do we stop a foreign run on the dollar and rising prices for oil, food and commodities if the Fed has to keep lowering interest rates and pumping out money to prevent us from sinking into recession? Will we allow the sovereign wealth funds of Asia and Arabia, the new investment monsters, to buy up what they want of our country?
That the American people have had enough of Bush-Cheney is undeniable. They have also had more than enough of Pelosi-Reid.
One wonders if this wailing for change and praise for anyone who will promise it is much more than the cry of spoiled children who want what the family can no longer afford, and who cannot face the truth that, as Merle Haggard sang, the good times may be over for good.” | |
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Posted: 1/19/2008 4:02:40 PM | | Yes, it is getting hot. That is why I started this forum. Please continue the dialogue, but most of all vote for the person you feel will be the best candidate.:modhammer: :modhammer: | |
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Posted: 1/25/2008 11:23:21 AM | Well, I guess that I’m not too surprised, though disappointed, that no one has stepped up and talked about their important issue (e.g., the war, health care, etc.) when deciding on which candidate deserved their vote.
Okay… maybe this will help?
The Select a Candidate Quiz at http://www.wqad.com/Global/link.asp?L=259460
Once there, you’ll see the banner and these words:
Answer the 14 questions below to find out which candidates are most aligned with your views and opinions. You may skip questions if you do not want them factored into the results. This quiz is not meant to pick your candidate for you. It is designed to inform the public of the various stances candidates make. Results are not scientific. The WQAD candidate survey is based on the original SELECT A CANDIDATE survey developed by Minnesota Public Radio and posted at: http://minnesota.publicradio.org/projects/ongoing/select_a_candidate/. Used by permission.
I scored a 79 with Dennis Kucinich – a far greater match than any other candidate – because of his positions on Iraq, Immigration, Taxes, Stem-Cell Research, Health Care, Abortion, Social Security, Energy, Marriage, Death Penalty, Gun Control, Environment, and Education. But apparently he and I disagree on whether or not the president should have the Line-Item Veto.
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Posted: 1/26/2008 9:51:52 AM | I took the test and they all got failing grades. No surprise there. Its an election years so we all gets checks to buy our vote. It'll take months to get the FEMA style bureaucrats up to speed to print them. Kind of like getting government health care.
I see brand name is still alive and well.
There are those who on net contribute to the government and those on net who are supported by the government. One party is the party of "there ought to be a law" and the other "we are government, we are here to help you". What it gets down to is your pants. The Dimacrits want to control everything in your back wallet and Publicons want to control everything else in you pants.
I would have to ask how anyone would want a FEMA bureaucracy rationing health care. This being promised by candidates that have personally driven doctors out of practice to make themselves rich. Maybe it's the tax money their big money lawyer contributers want a piece of. They also promise higher taxes. Those that on net are supported by the government can live with that. | |
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Posted: 1/27/2008 3:39:48 PM | | I feel like for the first time since Kennedy, we have a the chance of a lifetime to vote for Barrack Obama. If you read "the shame of a nation", or try to rememebr the duct tape policies of the Bush administration, surely you will have to stop and think of just how low this country has sunk. We need leadership. Yes, governement, but by the people and for the people. It's time for Americans to make a stand and we have for the first time in my generation a real chance to get it right. Race has nothing to do with leadership. Let's pray for the miracle Americans so richly deserve. Americans, stand up for America. America stand up for Americans. Raise your voice and be counted, NOW. | |
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| Presidential Election (What do you think)
Posted: 1/29/2008 7:27:53 AM | I figure the biggest problem this country has is polarization. Lawyers such as Obama are advocates by profession trained in convincing people to decide in favor of those they advocate for and against those who do not pay them. Their sworn oath puts aside moral judgement to become an effective professional advocate. Does it make sense that a professional advocate would unite the country?
Consider medical care. Doctors are the front line in delivering health care yet to practice their profession, they must pay insurance to cover their profession's liability costs. The typical doctor must pay approximately 3 times the average American's income for such insurance. If a doctor specializes in some very critical areas of health care, the insurance costs are much higher. When you wonder where much of the medical costs come from, its going to lawyers such as Obama, Clinton, and Edwards. Perhaps we should examine drug companies. Here we have large legal staffs to create huge arrays of patents to maximise their monopolies on many drugs. This chokes the patent office and drives up the cost of drugs. It is agrivating that much of the development of the patented drugs was paid for by tax payers. We also have the same liability costs doctors face from the trial lawyers. Hospitals adn insurance companies have been forced to to take a similar "us against them" mentality to defend against the abundance of lawyers. This places legal staffs ahead of medical staffs in deciding how treatment is provided and as a consequence, they adopt a "us against them" advocate role in dealing with the public. As a professional block, the largest supporters of the Democratic party are lawyers. I feel disappointed at how easily so many people are manipulated by these trained professionally immoral advocates that make up most of our legislators and presidential candidates including all of the Democratic party slate and much of the Republican slate.
As an engineer, I am trained in dealing with the laws of physics. Unlike the laws of man, they cannot be ignored much less violated, not matter how much someone can try, protest, make speeches, cover up, lie, or legislate. I am trained and practiced to consider all the boring details and what effect they have. I tend to apply this to every day life including politics. Too bad we don't have any practicing engineers in office to build a better country and world instead of advocating for their voting block to slice up an ever dwindling pie while taking an ever bigger cut for themselves. Unfortunately, reading this thread gives concern there is simply too much brain atrophy and brand identification to actually look past the superficial finger pointing elegant speeches, books etc. of by and for the lawyers. | |
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Posted: 1/29/2008 8:04:37 AM | This is my opinion and mine only........American the Beautiful has been tucked away because as one poster said our votes are bought.......................................In my opinion the following is what America faces..............
`NO Free lunch
There was a Chemistry professor in a large college
that had some Exchange students in the class.
One day while the class was in the lab the Prof
noticed one young man (exchange student) who kept rubbing his back And stretching as if his back hurt.
The professor asked the young man what was the
matter. The student told him he had a bullet lodged
in his back. He had been shot while fighting communists in his native country who were trying to overthrow his country's government and install a new communist government.
In the midst of his story he looked at the professor and asked a strange question, "Do you know how to catch wild pigs?' The professor thought it was a joke and asked for the punch line. The young man said this was no joke.
'You catch wild pigs by finding a suitable place in the woods and putting corn on the ground. The pigs find it and begin to come everyday to eat the free corn. When they are used to coming every day, you put a fence down one side of the place where they are used to coming.
When they get used to the fence, they begin to eat the corn again and you put up another side of the fence. They get used to that and start to eat again. You continue until you have all four sides of the fence up with a gate in The last side.
The pigs, who are used to the free corn, start to come through the gate to eat, you slam the gate on them and catch the whole herd. Suddenly the wild pigs have lost their freedom. They run around and around inside the fence, but they are caught.
Soon they go back to eating the free corn. They are so used to it that they have forgotten how to forage in the woods for themselves, so they accept their captivity.
The young man then told the professor that is exactly what he sees happening to America . The government keeps pushing us toward Communism/Socialism and keeps spreading the free corn out in the form of programs such as supplemental income, tax credit for unearned income, tobacco subsidies, dairy subsidies, payments not to plant crops (CRP), welfare, medicine, drugs, etc. while we continually lose our freedoms- just a little at a time. One should always remember 'There is no such thing as a free Lunch!' Also, 'You can never hire someone to provide a service for you cheaper than you can do it yourself. (Keep our jobs here in America)
Also, if you see that all of this wonderful government 'help' is a problem confronting the future of democracy in America demand our government to bring jobs back to America. If you think the free ride is essential to your way of life then you will probably be content with "GIVE AWAY PROGRAMS" we have implemented. But God help us when the gate slams shut!
Who will be our next President? Hmmmm, not sure,but Promises are lies unless they're kept. | |
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| Presidential Election (What do you think)
Posted: 1/29/2008 5:57:57 PM | I told myself when this thread first appeared, that I wasn't going to post on a political subject but here goes.
Just a reminder to everyone who is following the candidates and listening to the speeches: What they say they are going to do and what they can really do is not the same thing. They(as President if they win) can't do anything (except declare war during a state of emergency) without Congress backing them. So remember this when you vote, if you are voting issues, you better think about how they are going to do everything they promise.
Choose who you think can do best represent the USA and lead us with dignity. Don't be blindsided by false promises.
I wish I could hear a candidate ......any candidate say, "I will try........ if elected." Instead of , " I will.........if elected."
This is one touchy year with all the issues ahead. Do your homework and vote with your head. | |
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| Presidential Election (What do you think)
Posted: 1/29/2008 6:41:00 PM |
Choose who you think can do best represent the USA and lead us with dignity. Don't be blindsided by false promises.
I wish I could hear a candidate ......any candidate say, "I will try........ if elected." Instead of , " I will.........if elected."
This is one touchy year with all the issues ahead. Do your homework and vote with your head.
Promises made by candidates are lies covered in deceit. Ask a candidate a direct question then stand back far enough because he or she needs room to sidestep and or put a political slant to their response.
Promises made by candidates are words without hope, like a Ballon without air ,a fish out of water.
Oh,but we will have a president we can bash within two years after his or her promises fell because they couldn't fullfil the spill they instilled in the minds of those wanting a partisan leader rather than a truthful leader that is capable of telling people ,I'll try. | |
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| Presidential Election (What do you think)
Posted: 1/29/2008 6:56:48 PM | And perhaps there lies a flaw in our current system… that candidates don’t really lie; they carefully spin words in order to offend the fewest number of constituents.
Okay, so what?!? As they ALL do this, it’s yet another smoke screen to keep us from the issues. And that’s what I had hoped would be different in this forum – that we would talk about issues, what’s important to us, and what would lead us to chose one candidate over another. Instead, too much flotsam and jetsam. Folks, let’s keep our eyes on the issues. If you want to bellyache – and lord knows with this bunch of jokers, we could fill many POF forums! – maybe start another thread. Okay?
Therefore, I’ll ask again: what issues are important to you and which candidate best addresses them? Please share your insight. | |
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Posted: 2/6/2008 5:18:48 PM | Under "deja vu" scenario,
Mrs Hillary Clinton will pick Mary Elizabeth Aitcheson Gore, known also as Tipper Gore, the wife of former Vice President Al Gore.
So, Bill would be First Gentleman and Al would be Second Gentleman
By coincidence, Tipper Gore has birthday on the same day as Bill....so Hillary wouldn't forget it
It would be a nice Clinton-Gore ticket | |
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Posted: 2/9/2008 3:34:46 PM | | When I last visited the LBJ Presidential Library (in Austin), a funny thought wouldn’t leave my mind. You see, in the main hall, there are paintings of all the Presidents on one wall, the First Ladies on the opposite. Naturally, before George and Laura were Bill and Hillary. So, it occurred to me… how much trouble could I get myself into if I switched those Clinton paintings? All it would take is a ladder, a screwdriver, and the will. | |
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