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Posted: 3/5/2008 6:13:00 AM | | No need to fear Hillary now or ever. Hillary has a mountain of problems facing her. Her biggest is ,shes still behind and unless she can win the next four states that include Wyoming.Mississipi, North Carolina and Pennsylvania Hillary can kiss her bid for Presidency goodbye. Obama, might, with a bit of persuasion from the Demo party choose Hillary for his running mate. The consensus is ,Hillary will be picked to be his running mate or vice versa if she wins which is unlikely to happen now. | |
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Posted: 3/5/2008 6:37:06 AM | I thought somebody said they were undecided yet they are a delegate. Odd how the unsurprizes never cease.
The democratic polling place for my precinct made the news last night complete with accusations of voter intimidation. Odd how the unsurprizes never cease.
The Democrats appear to have 4 types of delegates:
1. The disenfranchised from states who are being punished and don't get any vote.
2. Caucus delegates where intimidation seems to be a big factor.
3. Actual voted delegates
4. Super delegates
Is this the democracy example for the world?
It may not be fair or democratic but at least its entertaining. | |
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Posted: 3/5/2008 8:30:10 PM | I personally feel if they do not pull together then McCain will win. The Democratic party is divided. Independents (like me) will switch parties if Hilary is nominated. I know I am not the only one. I feel the same thing will happen if Obama is nominated for some people. I think they need to drop the ego and unite. If they do not do that we will have McCain. The only way either one of them can win at this point is with the Super Delegates. They need to unite or we will have McCain!   | |
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Posted: 3/5/2008 8:56:40 PM | I voted yesterday and came back for the caucus.
That seemed to take FOREVER.
One reason is 2000 showed up instead of the usual 200.
Some observations.
Most 1st time caucus folks(like me) were for Obama.
The old hands and better organized were for Hillary.
Apartment dwellers seemed to be mostly for Obama.
As were the young.
The homeowners were mostly for Hillary.
Obama swamped my district cus the apartment folks
outnumbered homeowners.
I live in a Republican city. Even though 2000 showed up
to vote in the Demo primary, I'm sure they'll be outnumbered
by Republicans in the general election. (in my city).
One last observation.
If Obama wasn't running then fewer
Demos would have even bothered.
As for my thoughts on the election:
The Democratic party isn't divided on the issues.
Just on which candidate.
After that sorted is out the demos will still vote in large numbers this year.
If Hillary is the candidate McCain may win.
If Obama is, McCain will certainly loose.
The reason is Hillary cannot run as an outsider or a reformer.
So McCain will. And he can pull alot of independents.
Plus Hillary still has huge negatives with alot of folks.
Don't know why, or if it is fair.
But just is.
If Obama is the candidate, he'll be the outsider and reformer
and McCain will just be another Bush clone in comparison.
Obama will gather up most of the independents and will
motivate ALOT of previous non-voters to go to the polls.
So I'm hoping for a Obama/Hillary ticket.
Obama as Prez and Hillary as VP.
If that is the ticket, it will be a shoe in.
McCain would make a good president. And is better than the one we got.
But the VERY unpopular policies of the one we got now,
has ruined McCain's chance.
Damn shame. | |
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Posted: 3/6/2008 6:11:36 AM | I would suggest politics is too much like making sausage to count on new and independant voters. The process is too ugly and they tend to give up easily. Only in tight elections do independants show up because only then do they feel the effort is worth while. The logic behind this is the same logic that creates political parties. Only a unified effort is capable of winning and.... well independants are independant.
McCain is a proven maveric but was basically unchallenged on the publican side. A vote for him in the primary is pretty much meaningless. The more independant voters would typically choose Obama over Clinton and their vote counted for something in the Democratic primary therefor, they turned out. Also for the first time, there was a viable black candidate so more blacks turned out. On Hillery's side, hispanics emboldened by the recent marches and immigration debate brought them out.
One positive seem to be that the press is finally waking up to the preferential treatment they give candidates but it took the comedians rubbing their noses in it to wake them up. | |
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| Presidential Election (What do you think)
Posted: 3/6/2008 7:40:16 AM |
I personally feel if they do not pull together then McCain will win. The Democratic party is divided. Independents (like me) will switch parties if Hilary is nominated. I know I am not the only one. I feel the same thing will happen if Obama is nominated for some people. I think they need to drop the ego and unite. If they do not do that we will have McCain. The only way either one of them can win at this point is with the Super Delegates. They need to unite or we will have McCain
Listen close to Obama and Hillary. Both are saying the same things. Both are as Liberal as a scavenger. Both are going to force insurance on everyone, both have Foreign trade issues and neither one is going to bring the troops home from Iraq. They just can't do it without opening up a path leading to more terror problems.
And both will "RAISE TAXES"!
Obama's claim there were no Terrioist in Iraq before Bush sent troops there is one political claim he should retract. Iraq has always been a terror stronghold.
If it's true ,which it more than likely is that Obama went behind closed doors telling Canada he was feeding the public what they wanted to hear to get the people's votes but was not going to renegotiate NAFT,I have to wonder how any Citizen could possibly trust the man,much less vote for him or even think of doing as much.
If some didn't watch the last debate between Hillary and Obama you should have. You would have heard what both really didn't have to say. You hear them once ,you've heard them! | |
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Posted: 3/8/2008 1:17:47 PM | I hope none take this as being a bashing message,but I have to wonder how American people can cast their votes for Obama knowing he has severe connections to a guy that's about to go down for bribery and corruption. It's an absolute the home he has is connected to Rezko.
Too, Obama's wife made a statement that should cause concern to every citizen in the USA. Her comment >>>this is the first time in her life she has been proud of the USA. As far as insults being insults her insult to the USA tops all insults. Just far too many things dripping out on Obama to be a candidate much less President.
Hillary made a stupid comment insulting Mississippi as not being important. "HA",Mississippi just might be the state she has to have to win the nomination. She sure won't win Mississippi now... | |
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Posted: 3/8/2008 5:41:21 PM | Secret, how can you say this...
I hope none take this as being a bashing message..
followed by this...
but I have to wonder how American people can cast their votes for Obama knowing he has severe connections to a guy that's about to go down for bribery and corruption. It's an absolute the home he has is connected to Rezko.
and...
Too, Obama's wife made a statement that should cause concern to every citizen in the USA. Her comment >>>this is the first time in her life she has been proud of the USA. As far as insults being insults her insult to the USA tops all insults. Just far too many things dripping out on Obama to be a candidate much less President.
And still expect us to believe you are not bashing Obama.
It's OK if you don't like him, but quit the bashing! Even the Clintons are now talking about him as a possible running mate.
Obama 2008
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Posted: 3/8/2008 6:08:57 PM | It was my interpretation that Secret was saying he was not bashing Obama supporters.
I really want to congratulate everyone who has kept this discussion polite and informative. I am impressed. | |
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Posted: 3/8/2008 11:00:00 PM | Brandie46: There is a distinct difference between bashing and stating facts. The Topic Presidential Election( What do you think) is vague to say the least. I'm sorry you feel bashing is my intent,but,would it matter if the facts I stated were directed at McCain? If he was linked to a soon to be convicted felon? My guess is you would be overjoyed it was McCain rather than Obama.
Brandie46,I suppose it's your choice to think bashing is the same as stating facts.
Obama,is tied to Rezko, Obama's name has been linked to Rezko in Federal court by the federal prosecutors . This information is factual and if you should have need to check it out I suggest you do. And the above facts have been made public for several weeks. No,I'm not bashing just posting facts.
I don't think it's a secret that Obama lied to the public during his debate with Hillary. Obama stated he would renegotiate Nafta and if Canada and Mexico did not cooperate he would tell both countries the United States was pulling out because Nafta agreement is hurting the US. In Chicago just a day after he promised the people of this country he would renegotiate he went behind closed doors and told Canadian officals what he said to us the people was for political reasons and Canada had nothing to worry about.
And,it's a fact Obama's wife said this is the first time she has ever be proud of the United States of America. I do have issues with someone saying they have never been proud of the United States until now. My guess is ,she is proud only because her husband is running for president.
Please understand and remember ,not everyone wants Clinton or Obama.
Who I want will remain undisclosed here. Even if my choice is Obama he is still connected to a soon to be felon.
And,as far as the Clintons,I'm not at all impressed that talk is going on about running mates. Don't you think the Democrats have a self made mess they need fixed because the party violated rules having primaries too early? The Democrats are so divided now they can't see how it's damaging their chances of getting their candidates elected president.
But,no I am not bashing Obama or his wife or Hillary or McCain. Stating facts that can be supported is far from bashing.
And to end this I do have to say ,not Obama,not Hillary,and not McCain can unite this country and bring us all together. Simply cannot be done since this country has freedom of choice. Republican/conservative Vs Democrats/Liberal. Gap is just far too wide. | |
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Posted: 3/9/2008 1:01:48 AM | | Im so ignorant about all of this.. for instance what is the caucus thing? why you go back at "7:15 sharp" about when the polls close at 7:00??? delegates ? and getttin to vote again??? I have heard alot.. and I mean alot.. since I am ignorant.. that's the best way to learn is to listen... that ALOT of people voted to "pick their poison in November"... so what is that all about???? | |
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Posted: 3/9/2008 8:26:47 AM | The caucus is the last third of the vote. Hillary won the first 2/3's of the vote in Texas, but it appears Obama is winning the caucus.
Whomever wins the caucus can get another 60 odd delegates.
If Obama wins the caucus then he will have won Texas.
At this point neither one of them as enough votes or can obtain enough delegates to win a nomination so it will depend on the Superdelegates (senators/congressman etc.) Yes if the people in congress do not hear our voice and play the bed game then it is time we replace them as well.
Yes, Clinton is considering being on the same ticket as Obama, I just think she desires him to take second place and I do not think he desires to take second place because he is not in second place.
I just pray they do not split the party and McCain win on default because of the anger amongst democrates.
There are people that will vote republican or not vote if their candidate is not on the ballot.
We need to think of our country and not ourselves at this point. | |
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Posted: 3/9/2008 5:33:31 PM | If there is anger at the Democrats, why not take it out on them at the polls? Anything else would not be democratic. I guess its OK to express anger at Bush and the Republicans. Both democrat candidates trained as lawyers who threw away moral judgment by oath to become advocates for somebody against somebody else. McCain is a trained soldier trained to fight for his country. That is the bottom line without all the lawyer style pontificating and obfuscation.
In an earlier post, I indicated doubt about how long it would take for the democrats to determine and/or adjust the caucus vote especially when it was often held in crime ridden places without parking or security for those not living in tax payer supplied housing. Gee, do you think there might have been any complaints? | |
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Posted: 3/9/2008 6:31:25 PM | | No the Caucus vote is not held in crime ridden places. Every preceint has a caucus vote. I voted in my neighborhood. I live in Katy. This is a very surburban enviroment. It is just that people have not gotten so involved in the primaries and the preceint judges were not prepared, but caucus's are not held in the inner city. The caucus is held in regular voting places. They combined some districts, but that was all. Please have your facts correct. | |
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Posted: 3/9/2008 7:03:30 PM |
Yes, Clinton is considering being on the same ticket as Obama, I just think she desires him to take second place and I do not think he desires to take second place because he is not in second place.
I just pray they do not split the party and McCain win on default because of the anger amongst democrates.
There are people that will vote republican or not vote if their candidate is not on the ballot.
We need to think of our country and not ourselves at this point.
Faith: The Democrats created the mess they have. No fault of anyone other than the blame goes to the Democrats. And the default theory you have with McCain winning by default will not happen. McCain wins ,it will be because he and his party did things right.
If Florida and Michigan are allowed to hold another primary the obvious is going to happen. The obvious will be Hillary taking the top spot. Too be fair the Florida votes should be allowed and Michigan shouldn't have a second opportunity. Obama is at fault because his name wasn't on the ballot. Obama is supposed to be the responsible party but it seems he failed to take care of business.
Betwen the two states 366 delgates are at stake with Hillary having won both states but the Democrats flopped. Taking Michigan out letting Florida stand Hillary passes Obama by a margin of about 150 delegates. Then she wins Pennsylvania and probably North Crolina and the end for Obama...
James Carville challenged Obama to pay half and Hillary pay half to run the Primary in boths states over. So far Obama has not responded. Carville as you know is Hillary's top advisor and fund raiser. The facts are, he has 15 mil on the table when Obama decides to get his together. | |
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Posted: 3/10/2008 3:43:29 AM | All this discussion is fine and good, but historically, when it comes to Presidential elections, Texas votes Republican. The last time a Dem captured the state was waaaaaay back in 1976 with Jimmy Carter. And that because the country was fed-up with Tricky****and a lackluster Jerry Ford. Are we (collectively) as fed-up with Bush?!?
So, with all this banter about Clinton and Obama, how will any of you feel should all this be for not, and Texas’ 34 Electoral votes go to McCain??? | |
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Posted: 3/10/2008 6:46:17 AM | I agree with most of you--The choices aren't that grand. Having said that, I know enough about Obama that I know I don't want him under any circumstances, and I have to say the same about Hillary. So, I will admit it, I have to go with McCain. Only because the other two choices are unbearable. Please, no one write me hate mail like I get everytime i say something bad about Hillary or Obama. Thank you | |
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| Presidential Election (What do you think)
Posted: 3/10/2008 7:20:51 AM |
So, with all this banter about Clinton and Obama, how will any of you feel should all this be for not, and Texas’ 34 Electoral votes go to McCain???
McCain is the better choice.
Lot of Republican voters crossed over to cast their vote for Hillary. In the General election they will be casting their vote for McCain.
If History is any indicator at all, Obama can't win the Presidential election anyway. No president has ever been elected without winning Ohio.
stratdiggerr , I'm with you; It might do some good to listen then research Obama and some of his friends.
If any have heard of William C. Ayers you already know without it being published that Obama is connected to him and who he is. Those that have no clue who William C. Ayers is do your research then you might change your voting habits and vote for someone that's not connected to a domestic terrorist......http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Ayers | |
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Posted: 3/10/2008 8:48:55 AM | "If any have heard of William C. Ayers "
Well, I looked at the William Ayers bit, and I guess there could be a problem there, though I doubt anything will come of it. I'm personally not voting for obama for other reasons--"socialistic views"--"refusal to give details on anything" (he reminds me of Kerry in that way). Always pointing out what he feels are flaws, and stiring up class envy, but never giving any answers on how to fix it. Nothing against him personally, but let him get some experience and reveal himself a little more, then I may consider him in 10 years. | |
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