Are you suggesting their reign on earth may have overlapped ours?

Mere opinion, doll.

Specialists in animal behavior have noted that animals can sense danger and have often migrated to escape it. Perhaps God used their migratory instincts to get them to the Ark.

Every major culture has a flood legend. Of over 200 flood legends, 95% say the flood was universal; 70% say survival depended upon a boat; 66% say the wickedness of man was the cause; 88% say there was a favored family; 66% say the remnant was warned; 67% say animals were also saved; 57% say the survivors ended up on a mountain; 35% say birds were sent out; 9% say eight people were saved; and 7% mention a rainbow.

Are you suggesting their reign on earth may have overlapped ours?

Of course.Haven't you ever seen the Flintstones?

The Bible uses ancient names like "behemoth" and "tannin."
Behemoth means kingly, gigantic beasts. Tannin is a term which includes dragon-like animals and the great sea creatures such as whales, giant squids, and marine reptiles like the plesiosaurs that may have become extinct
The Bible's best description of a dinosaur-like animal is in Job chapter 40...


"Look at the behemoth, which I made along with you and which feed on grass like an ox. What strength he has in his loins, what power in the muscles of his belly! His tail sways like a cedar; the sinews of his thighs are close-knit. His bones are tubes of bronze, his limbs like rods of iron. He ranks first among the works of God..."
-Job 40:15-19 (NIV)

not knowing about the people and time and place where the words of a religious text was written and the neighbouring peoples, places and cultures and their writings puts you at a TREMENDOUS disadvantage

Behemoth and Leviathan and not descriptions of dinosaurs but the mythic monsters of the Ugarit and Mesopotamian religions.

There is considerable diversity among these stories of the Mesopotamian

And..??disadvantage against what/whom?

proof of a global flood by fish fossils on the highest mts

Yes.
Dinosaur-like creatures are mentioned in the Bible.

His bones are tubes of bronze, his limbs like rods of iron.

The book of Job is very old, written after the worldwide flood of Noah's time and probably about 2,000 years before Jesus was born.

Explanations of our universe being found only in a bible written thousands of years ago by ancient worshipers without any of the technology available today is indicative of an extremely closed mind.

Matthew 24:21-22

A calamity that is unequaled by any that has ever taken place? Dude, that's not exclusively nuclear proliferation, nor is it specific in any way at all!

But really, the sum of this particular exerpt is basically:

THE END IS NIGH, REPENT SINNERS!!!!

Narrow-mindedness is prevalent through all people, not just Christians or scientists. But I can say this much about scientists, they're generally very CRITICAL people. They don't have a tendency to believe things if written down once by one individual. They're trained to scrutinise, prove, and prove again that something actually DOES work, and then attempt to DISPROVE it, just to show that it holds water. You have no idea how much work a real scientist has to do in order to get one paper published. If your peers decide that you have not proved your point thoroughly, objectively, or even statistically well enough, you can forget about it. It can take years of data collection to write one paper, bit more work than citing a dusty old book, huh?

Oh, and if you do believe that God's word is the end of it all, how about you stop eating pork, and all other animals that do not have cloven hooves, nor chew their cud. Oh, but it's Jewish tradition, you might say. I say, it's in your book, believe it. Then again, with that many versions of the thing, translated from ancient Hebrew into a completely different language and culture (English), maybe there's a bit of grey area for you lot to play in, what with your incredibly open minds and all.

So I guess you also believe the literal interpretation of Buddhist texts, where the elephant enters into the womb of Gotoma Buddhas mom. Or how the world rests on the back of a turtle, which rests on the back of an elephant, balancing on a big beach ball. Or that the value of Pi is 3 (the value given in the bible).

it states: " And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved:" --yes--'unequalled' involving the destruction of all flesh...on earth..what does that spell to you if not a nuclear disaster??

I could take umberage at that! Not that I will, but I mean seriously, prove to me otherwise? I've got sedimentary data, layering and mineralogy on my side. Just what exactly is on yours?

Actually, if you had a basic understanding of geology and tectonics, this can easily be explained. Mountains, especially the really big ones, result from two tectonic plates pushing against one another, and one eventually riding over the other. What happens then, is the rock cracks, and faults, but at a higher elevation than it once was. Therefore, you get a mountain.

Fish fossils can be found everywhere, but those on the highest mountains (I think you're talking about the Burgess Shale - a layer of Cambrian fossils in the Rocky Mountains...) are there because the rocks they're in, were pushed upwards.

If those fish fossils were to be proof, they'd have to be relatively young, as in a few thousand, maybe even 10, rather than the 505 million years of age that they are; and no, just in case you're thinking it, this does NOT put them around the time of the dinosaurs, they came about much later.

Moreover, since the flood, was relatively, historically recent, you'd expect to be seeing such animals or at least their remains quite often in around our oceans today, no? I'll be damned if I've seen a five-eyed, stalk-mouthed Opabinia lately. In fact, I think you'll find that most of those animals in that particular shale dissappeared a LONG time ago.

But close-mindedness, ignorance and magical thinking, asserting itself as fact? Not a chance.

I have not seen ONE statement that supports the Ark/Flood theory in any intelligent way. Nor have I seen one statement that supports the Ark/flood theory that isn't completely blown out of the water by modern data.. and basic logic and I do mean "basic" as in elementary. Nor have I seen ONE arguement that was supported by any citation or source . Unless one believe that the laws of physics and nature were suspended during these events there is no intelligent way to accept it. Yes... I am calling foul... and yes, I am accusing people of not using the sense and reason that God gave them.

Now... if someone wishes to believe in a literal Flood because of faith and belief that it was all a miraculous event that has been altered by God to look like it didn't happen... go right ahead. No one can argue faith. But to state that it is the literal TRUTH, that it DID happen, the WAY it says it happened in an old legend.. be prepared to back that up with more than opinion and magical thinking. Because without proof, or even a workable hypothesis you just show yourself to be intellectually incompetent, completely deluded, or so frightened of the truth that it is blocked out of awareness. Good grief, a Jesuit could tear these arguements apart with ease.. and they seriously have faith in GOD. Maybe logical thinking and critical debate should be taught in Protestant circles as well as Catholic.

If someone has real workable theories as to how it REALLY could have happened or been accomplished.. cool. My previous post refutes, quite well, any arguement that it could have happened the way the story describes it.. in all areas. Pick a point to argue, but "God did it" isn't an arguement, nor a provable point, and proves nothing other than one's particular opinion. The young earth theory is a joke.. to anyone with even a basic education (say....grade 9-10) in science. It's right up there with The Flat Earth Society, and the Reptilian Conspiracy theorists.

I would also respectfully ask that I not be referred to as "doll". I find it extremely condescending and rude. I am far too old be be anyone's "doll, honey, babe, sugar" or other diminutive term of endearment.Thank you, that is much appreciated.

The interesting thing is I don't need to be an athiest to be able to understand that mythology has it's place and does not negate "God". God can exist without ancient mythological stories.. quite well actually.

There was no global flood, at least not in the last 3 Billion years anyway. Before that the earth was too volcanically active to have an accurate idea of what may have happened. There is NO genetic way all the people of the earth are related to eight (related) Hebrews from 2200 BCE (can you say interbreeding, cue banjo music here), nor that all the land animals came from the pairs aboard a wooden boat 2200 years BCE. The ONLY way this could have happened is magic, miracle.... or myth.

I respect everyone's faith, believe what you will. But close-mindedness, ignorance and magical thinking, asserting itself as fact? Not a chance.

Peace

It all comes down to "God did it".

I respect everyone's faith,

believe what you will. But close-mindedness, ignorance and magical thinking, asserting itself as fact? Not a chance.

I have not seen ONE statement that supports the Ark/Flood theory in any intelligent way. Nor have I seen one statement that supports the Ark/flood theory that isn't completely blown out of the water by modern data.. and basic logic and I do mean "basic" as in elementary. Nor have I seen ONE arguement that was supported by any citation or source . Unless one believe that the laws of physics and nature were suspended during these events there is no intelligent way to accept it. Yes... I am calling foul... and yes, I am accusing people of not using the sense and reason that God gave them....

The Significance of a World of Stories Based on Truth
by A. J. Monty White, Ph.D.
March 29, 2007
Keywords

* author-monty-white
* history
* the-worldwide-flood


There are hundreds of stories and legends about a worldwide flood. Why do diverse cultures share a strikingly similar story?

Did you know that stories about a worldwide flood are found in historic records all over the world? According to Dr. Duane Gish in his popular book Dinosaurs by Design, there are more than 270 such stories, most of which share a common theme and similar characters. So many flood stories with such similarities surely come from the Flood of Noah’s day.
A Historical Event

The worldwide catastrophic Flood, recorded in the book of Genesis, was a real event that affected real people. In fact, those people carried the knowledge of this event with them when they spread to the ends of the earth.

The Bible declares that the earth-covering cataclysm of Noah’s day is an obvious fact of history. People “willingly are ignorant [that] ... the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished” (2 Peter 3:5–6, KJV). This Flood left many evidences, from the fact that over 70% of the rocks on continents were laid down by water and contain fossils, to the widespread flood legends. Both of these evidences provide compelling support for this historical event.

If only eight people—Noah’s family—survived the Flood, we would expect there to be historical evidence of a worldwide flood. If you think about it, the evidence would be historical records in the nations of the world, and this is what we have, as the chart on page 20 indicates. Stories of the Flood—distorted though they may be—exist in practically all nations, from ancient Babylon onward. This evidence must not be lightly dismissed. If there never was a worldwide Flood, then why are there so many stories about it?
From Generation to Generation

The reason for these flood stories is not difficult to understand. When we turn to the history book of the universe, the Bible, we learn that Noah’s descendants stayed together for approximately 100 years, until God confused their languages at Babel (Genesis 11:1–9). As these people moved away from Babel, their descendants formed nations based primarily on the languages they shared in common. Through those languages, the story of the Flood was shared, until it became embedded in their cultural history.
China Flood Legend

A flood story in China records that Fuhi, his wife, three sons, and three daughters escaped a great flood and were the only people alive on earth.
Hawaii Flood Legend

A flood story in Hawaii records that Nu-u and his family escaped a global flood by building a great canoe and filling it with animals. Only he and his family were left alive.
Similar Stories

Hawaiians have a flood story that tells of a time when, long after the death of the first man, the world became a wicked, terrible place. Only one good man was left, and his name was Nu-u. He made a great canoe with a house on it and filled it with animals. In this story, the waters came up over all the earth and killed all the people; only Nu-u and his family were saved.

Another flood story is from China. It records that Fuhi, his wife, three sons, and three daughters escaped a great flood and were the only people alive on earth. After the great flood, they repopulated the world.

As the story of the Flood was verbally passed from one generation to the next, some aspects would have been lost or altered. And this is what has happened, as we can see from the chart. However, as seen in the given examples, each story shares remarkable similarities to the account of Noah in the Bible. This is true even in some of the details, such as the name Nu-u in the Hawaiian flood story. “Nu-u” is very similar to “Noah.”
What These Stories Mean

God clearly sent a worldwide Flood to punish humankind for their evil and corrupt ways (Genesis 6:5, 11). Even though Flood-affirming evidence from geology and other areas of study is abundant, we don’t need this evidence to know what happened. Starting with the Bible and the history that God faithfully recorded there, Christians have a tool to interpret the evidence that evolutionists and non-Christians do not. We have the record of what happened, from the One who was there.
Global flood traditions

Dr. Duane Gish, in Dinosaurs by Design, says there are more than 270 stories from different cultures around the world about a devastating flood. This chart shows the similarities that several myths have with the Genesis account of Noah’s Flood. Although there are varying degrees of accuracy, these legends and stories all contain similarities to aspects of the same historical event—Noah’s Flood.

Click to enlarge.

Chart adapted from B.C. Nelson, The Deluge Story in Stone, Appendix 11, Flood Traditions, Figure 38, Augsburg, Minneapolis, 1931.

Visit www.answersingenesis.org/go/flood-legends to read more accounts of the Flood from around the world.

Dr. Monty White earned his B.Sc. degree in chemistry and his Ph.D. in gas kinetics from the University of Wales, Aberystwyth. Dr. White is now the CEO of Answers in Genesis-UK/Europe and has traveled extensively throughout Europe lecturing on creationists’ views of origins.

‘Sue’ the T. rex: another ‘missionary lizard’

by Jonathan Sarfati, AiG–Australia

30 May 2000

On 17 May 2000, an amazingly complete 12.5-metre (41-foot) long skeleton of a Tyrannosaurus rex was unveiled at the Field Museum of Natural History in Chicago. This huge creature, named ‘Sue’ after Sue Hendrickson who discovered it in 1990, was 4 m (13 feet) tall at the hip and had teeth as long as a human forearm.1

CAT scans of its skull show that its senses were acute. The ‘Jurassic Park’ scene of a T. rex not detecting a child literally under its nose is a myth. The T. rex could see and hear well, but its sense of smell was amazing. Their olfactory bulbs2 were the size of a grapefruit, and the bundle of olfactory nerves leading to the brain was wider than the spinal cord, judging by the size of the skull openings.1

Naturally, the secular media are interpreting the latest finding about Sue in an evolutionary context. But as we will see, the facts make better sense when interpreted in the light of the biblical framework of world history.
When did Sue live?

The usual secular story is that Sue lived 65 million years ago. But the Bible states that all land creatures and man were created on Day 6 of Creation Week. A bone from another T. rex provided excellent support for the biblical timescale, because it had red blood cells and hemoglobin—see Sensational dinosaur blood report. But see the reaction of one of the scientists involved, showing how one’s bias determines the interpretation of the evidence:

‘It was exactly like looking at a slice of modern bone. But of course, I couldn’t believe it. I said to the lab technician: “The bones are, after all, 65 million years old. How could blood cells survive that long?”’3

An alternative way of interpreting the evidence is: ‘I can see the blood cells and detect the chemical signature—in the present! Also, protein and DNA can be seen to break down so fast that they couldn’t survive for more than a few tens of thousands of years. So how could they possibly be 65 million years old? After all, this is a claim about the past, not based on eye-witness evidence.’
When did she die?

Obviously, if she lived 65 million years ago, then she died 65 million years ago. But the Bible’s account of history says something vastly different. As we have repeatedly pointed out, the Bible teaches that God created all things ‘very good’ (Genesis 1:31), while death (of conscious creatures) is ‘the last enemy’ (1 Cor. 15:26) so could not have been part of God’s very good creation. Animals and humans were created vegetarian (Genesis 1:29–30).

Adam was warned that he would die if he ate the forbidden fruit (Genesis 2:17). The Hebrew literally means ‘dying you shall die’. When Adam disobeyed, the curse of death was placed upon him (Gen. 3:19), and passed on to all people since (Romans 5:12, 1 Corinthians 15:21–22). Not only death, but all disease and suffering started after Adam’s sin—this could not have been part of a ‘very good’ creation unless the words are emptied of all meaning. Indeed, the whole creation is groaning in pain as a result (Romans 8:20–22).

More recently, Chuck Colson and Nancy Pearcey gave a good account of the biblical teaching of the origin of death and suffering in their book How Now Shall We Live?:4

‘God is good, and the original creation was good [Genesis 1:31 actually says ‘very good’]. God is not the author of evil. This is a crucial element of Christian teaching … there would also be no basis for fighting against injustice and oppression, against cruelty and corruption, for these, too, would be reflections of God’s own nature, and, therefore, inherent in the world as he created it.’

‘… Redemption means the restoration and fulfillment of God’s original purposes.’ p.194.

‘The consequences of sin affect the very order of the universe itself. … the Fall affects all of nature … their rebellion injected disorder into all of creation.’ p. 197.

‘Every part of God’s handiwork was marred by the human mutiny … At the Fall, every part of creation was plunged into the chaos of sin, and every part cries out for redemption. Only the Christian worldview keeps these two truths in balance: the radical destruction caused by sin and the hope of restoration to the original created goodness.’ p.198.

Therefore, Sue must have died some time after Adam sinned. Not only that, if you click* on the rib in the picture in Ref. 1, you will find:

‘There’s evidence that one rib was broken badly and never healed properly. Some experts say this suggests a potentially fatal struggle between Sue and another T. rex.’

The main text says:

‘Long before dying, Sue suffered a broken left leg that was slow to heal … Embedded in Sue’s ribcage is the tooth of another T. rex. The left side of the skull is smashed, with holes along her jaw.’1

Obviously, Sue’s suffering in life and her death reflect a post-Fall, sin-cursed world. It is just not biblically possible to date her skeleton to millions of years before Adam sinned.
What should Sue teach creation compromisers?

Compromise views about Genesis add billions of years of secular uniformitarian ‘science’ to the plain teachings of Scripture [see Q&A: Genesis for a defence of a straightforward reading of Genesis and refutation of compromise views]. But as well as interpreting God’s infallible word by the fallible theories of men, these positions have one major flaw in common: they must logically teach that death, disease and suffering existed for millions of years before man existed.
How was the fossil formed?

If you click* on the skull in the picture in Ref. 1, the following text appears:

‘It’s thought the animal was washed into this position by a flood, though scavengers may also have moved it.’

This should not be surprising—three whole chapters (Genesis 6–8) of the Bible describe a global Flood in Noah’s time, which destroyed all land vertebrates and humans not on the Ark. And Jesus Himself affirmed the reality of the Flood and Ark (Luke 17:26–27).

It also fits with what we know about fossilization—for something this huge to fossilize, it must be buried quickly before the scavengers can obliterate the carcass.

However, not all dinosaurs died in the Flood. Noah took two of every land animal on board the Ark [see How did all the animals fit on Noah’s Ark?]. Therefore some would have lived some time after the Flood. They died out later for any number of reasons (e.g. climate change, hunting by man), just as many other species have.
Does Sue prove that dinosaurs evolved into birds?

We should be used to evolutionists trying to interpret every new find as ‘proof’ of evolution. With Sue, they found two bones that had never previously been found with T-rexes before:5

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A wishbone (furcula), supposedly unique to birds.
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A small ear bone called the stirrup (stapes) that helps transmit sound to the inner ear. This is usually too delicate to be preserved.

However, such similarities (allegedly ‘homologies’) are hardly proof that meat-eating dinosaurs evolved into birds. There are several points to consider:

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There are many reasons that dinosaurs could not have evolved into birds. In fact, none of the arguments outlined in Archaeoraptor—Phony ‘feathered’ fossil against the dino-to-bird theory have been affected in the least by these discoveries [see also the references hyperlinked in note 4 of that article].
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Dinosaurs are very different from living reptiles—in particular, dinosaur legs were directly under their bodies, instead of being spread sideways. So it’s not surprising that they had some different bones. The similarities are more likely the result of a Creator who designed dinosaurs with organs they needed, including those that resembled other creatures’.
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We should beware of evolutionists’ wishful thinking, where small scraps of bone are given an evolutionary slant—Micro-primates … a transitional form or just heelbone hype? In Sue, the two shoulder blades seem to be joined by a very small, almost straight piece of bone, and this was supposed to suggest that this was a wishbone like a bird’s. But a bird’s wishbone is a highly specialised v-shaped bone, the equivalent of two joined clavicles (‘collar bones’), and very springy so it can support wing motion.
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There are many similarities that no evolutionist uses to prove an evolutionary relationship:

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Many dinosaurs have a hip bone arrangement that is so similar to that of birds that they are classified in the major group called the ‘bird-hipped dinosaurs’ (ornithischians—Greek ornis/ornitha = bird, ischio = hip). This includes the horned dinosaurs, duckbills, stegosaurs and armored dinosaurs. ‘But despite this striking similarity there is no obvious close relationship between birds and ornithischians.’6 Rather, those evolutionists who promote the dino-to-bird theory believe that birds evolved from the other major subgroup, the ‘reptile-hipped dinosaurs’ (saurischians—Greek saura = lizard/reptile), in particular, the small carnivorous ones similar to Velociraptor.
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Although evolutionists believe that feathers evolved from scales, they have very little in common. Rather, feathers are strikingly similar to hairs in many ways—see Bird evolution flies out the window. In fact, feathers on flightless birds, which merely need to be heat insulators rather than being amazingly designed aerodynamically, resemble hairs in shape as well.

Conclusion

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Sue the T. rex was overall very well designed, with enormous size and strength and acute senses.
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Her injuries and death are consistent with existing in a world cursed by God because of Adam’s sin. It is not biblically possible that she lived and died millions of years before mankind arose.
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She was fossilized in a flood.
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The dinosaur-to-bird theory has many problems that aren’t at all solved by the new bones discovered.
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There are striking similarities between some different organisms that no evolutionist uses to prove evolutionary descent.

References

1. Sue the T. rex, a roaring business, www.msnbc.msn.com, 16 May 2000 (online article no longer available). Return to text.
2. Stemlike projections under the front part of the brain that sort the nerve impulses from the nose and transmit them to the brain for processing. See ‘Sensory Reception: Smell (Olfactory) Sense’, Britannica CD, Version 97, Encyclopædia Britannica, Inc. 1997. Return to text.
3. Mary Schweitzer, Montana State University Museum of the Rockies; cited on p. 160 of V. Morell, ‘Dino DNA: The hunt and the hype’, Science 261(5118):160–162, 9 July 1993. Return to text.
4. Charles W. Colson and Nancy Pearcey, How Now Shall We Live? Tyndale, Wheaton, IL, USA, 1999. Return to text.
5. Michael Conlon, Landmark Dinosaur Unveiled, Chicago (Reuters). Return to text.
6. David Norman, The Prehistoric World of the Dinosaur, Bison Books, London, UK, p. 22, 1989. Return to text.

* Note added 2 August 2000: this article was written as a current news report. At the time of writing, there was indeed a diagram of the T. rex skeleton with the rib and skull hyperlinks as stated. However, URLs often change, especially on news sites. This is why these links no longer work. Those familiar with the internet should have realised this. But alas, a certain atheistic/sceptical/anticreationist site, already known for its scurrilous accusations and for supporting blatantly unethical behaviour, has made yet another false accusation about ‘Fraud, Deception or an Honest Mistake?’ Return to text.

Sensational dinosaur blood report!

by Carl Wieland

[Ed. note: In late 2005, a report in TJ provided an update on the scientific appraisal of some of the bones discussed in this article. See John H. Whitmore, ‘Unfossilized’ Alaskan dinosaur bones? TJ 19(3):60.]

Actual red blood cells in fossil bones from a Tyrannosaurus rex? With traces of the blood protein hemoglobin (which makes blood red and carries oxygen)? It sounds preposterous—to those who believe that these dinosaur remains are at least 65 million years old.

It is of course much less of a surprise to those who believe Genesis, in which case dinosaur remains are at most only a few thousand years old.

In a recent article,1 scientists from Montana State University, seemingly struggling to allow professional caution to restrain their obvious excitement at the findings, report on the evidence which seems to strongly suggest that traces of real blood from a T. rex have actually been found.

The story starts with a beautifully preserved T. rex skeleton unearthed in the United States in 1990. When the bones were brought to the Montana State University’s lab, it was noticed that ‘some parts deep inside the long bone of the leg had not completely fossilized.’ To find unfossilized dinosaur bone is already an indication more consistent with a young age for the fossils (see More on fresh dino bone, below).

Let Mary Schweitzer, the scientist most involved with this find, take up the story of when her co-workers took turns looking through a microscope at a thin section of this T. rex bone, complete with blood vessel channels.

‘The lab filled with murmurs of amazement, for I had focused on something inside the vessels that none of us had ever noticed before: tiny round objects, translucent red with a dark center. Then a colleague took one look at them and shouted, “You’ve got red blood cells. You’ve got red blood cells!”’2

Schweitzer confronted her boss, famous paleontologist ‘Dinosaur’ Jack Horner, with her doubts about how these could really be blood cells. Horner suggested she try to prove they were not red blood cells, and she says, ‘So far, we haven’t been able to.’

Looking for dinosaur DNA in such a specimen was obviously tempting. However, fragments of DNA can be found almost everywhere—from fungi, bacteria, human fingerprints—and so it is hard to be sure that one has DNA from the specimen. The Montana team did find, along with DNA from fungi, insects and bacteria, unidentifiable DNA sequences, but could not say that these could not have been jumbled sequences from present-day organisms. However, the same problem would not be there for hemoglobin, the protein which makes blood red and carries oxygen, so they looked for this substance in the fossil bone.
More on fresh dino bone …

To claim that bone could remain intact for millions of years without being fossilized (mineralized) stretches credibility. The report here of red blood cells in an unfossilized section of dinosaur bone is not the first time such bone has been found.

Biologist Dr Margaret Helder alerted readers of Creation magazine to documented finds of ‘fresh’, unfossilized dinosaur bone as far back as 1992.3

More recently, based on these reports, a team associated with Buddy Davis, a staff member at Answers in Genesis, in Northern Kentucky, has retrieved similarly unfossilized dinosaur bone from Alaska.4

The evidence that hemoglobin has indeed survived in this dinosaur bone (which casts immense doubt upon the ‘millions of years’ idea) is, to date, as follows:

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The tissue was coloured reddish brown, the colour of hemoglobin, as was liquid extracted from the dinosaur tissue.
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Hemoglobin contains heme units. Chemical signatures unique to heme were found in the specimens when certain wavelengths of laser light were applied.
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Because it contains iron, heme reacts to magnetic fields differently from other proteins—extracts from this specimen reacted in the same way as modem heme compounds.
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To ensure that the samples had not been contaminated with certain bacteria which have heme (but never the protein hemoglobin), extracts of the dinosaur fossil were injected over several weeks into rats. If there was even a minute amount of hemoglobin present in the T. Rex sample, the rats’ immune system should build up detectable antibodies against this compound. This is exactly what happened in carefully controlled experiments.

Evidence of hemoglobin, and the still-recognizable shapes of red blood cells, in unfossilized dinosaur bone is powerful testimony against the whole idea of dinosaurs living millions of years ago. It speaks volumes for the Bible’s account of a recent creation.
Web links
Evolutionist questions AiG report: Have red blood cells really been found in T. rex fossils?
References and notes

1. M. Schweitzer and I. Staedter, The Real Jurassic Park, Earth, pp. 55–57, June 1997. Return to text.
2. The T. Rex blood cells were actually first noticed by a professional pathologist casually interested in looking at such an ‘old’ piece of bone under the microscope. Return to text.
3. Creation 14(3):16. The secular sources were Geological Society of America Proceedings abstract. 17:548, also K. Davies in Journal of Paleontology 61(1):198–200. Return to text.

A mechanism?

The catastrophic plate tectonics model (What about continental drift?) gives a mechanism for the deepening of the oceans and the rising of mountains at the end of the Flood.

As the new ocean floors cooled, they would have become denser and sunk, allowing water to flow off the continents. Movement of the water off the continents and into the oceans would have weighed down the ocean floor and lightened the continents, resulting in the further sinking of the ocean floor, as well as upward movement of the continents.20 The deepening of the ocean basins and the rising of the continents would have resulted in more water running off the land.

The collision of the tectonic plates would have pushed up mountain ranges also, especially towards the end of the Flood.
Could the water have covered Mount Everest?

Mt Everest is almost 9 km (5.5 miles) high. How, then, could the Flood have covered ‘all the high hills under the whole heaven’?

The Bible refers only to ‘high hills,’ and the mountains today were formed only towards the end of, and after, the Flood by collision of the tectonic plates and the associated upthrusting. In support of this, the layers that form the uppermost parts of Mt Everest are themselves composed of fossil-bearing, water-deposited layers.

This uplift of the new continental land-masses from under the Flood waters would have meant that, as the mountains rose and the valleys sank, the waters would have rapidly drained off the newly emerging land surfaces. The collapse of natural dams holding back the floodwaters on the land would also have caused catastrophic flooding. Such rapid movement of large volumes of water would have caused extensive erosion and shaped the basic features of today’s Earth surface.
The Olgas
Kata Tjuta in central Australia is composed of material which must have been deposited quickly by water.

Thus it is not hard to envisage the rapid carving of the landscape features that we see on the earth today, including places such as the Grand Canyon of the USA. The present shape of Uluru (Ayers Rock), a sandstone monolith in central Australia, is the result of erosion, following tilting and uplift, of previously horizontal beds of water-laid sand. The feldspar-rich sand that makes up Uluru must have been deposited very quickly and recently. Long-distance transport of the sand would have caused the grains to be rounded and sorted, whereas they are jagged and unsorted. If they had sat accumulating slowly in a lake bed drying in the sun over eons of time, which is the story told in the geological display at the park center, the feldspar would have weathered into clay. Likewise, if Uluru had sat in the once-humid area of central Australia for millions of years, it would have weathered to clay.21 Similarly, the nearby Kata Tjuta (The Olgas) are composed of an unsorted mixture of large boulders, sand and mud, indicating that the material must have been transported and deposited very rapidly.

Receding floodwaters eroded the land, creating river valleys. This explains why rivers are often so much smaller than the valleys they flow in today—they did not carve the valleys. The water flow that carved out the river valleys must have been far greater than the volume of water we see flowing in the rivers today. This is consistent with voluminous Flood waters draining off the emerging land surfaces at the close of Noah’s Flood, and flowing into the rapidly sinking, newly prepared, deep ocean basins.

Our understanding of how the Flood could have occurred is continually developing. Ideas come and go, but the fact of the Flood remains. Genesis clearly testifies to it, Jesus and the Apostles confirmed it, and there is abundant global geological evidence for a global watery cataclysm.(my note:love that term)

Has Noah’s Ark Been Found?
Layman
by John Morris Ph.D.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/am/v2/n2/ark-been-found


The ancient Greek historian Herodotus mentioned that religious pilgrims journeyed to Mt. Ararat, which traditionally has been accepted as the landing place of Noah’s Ark. The Armenian people, who have lived at the foot of Ararat since before the time of Christ, maintain a strong attachment to Noah and the Ark.

In recent centuries, interest in the mountain and the huge wooden boat that may rest there has spread. Adventurous mountain-climbing Europeans first conquered the 17,000-foot (5,182-meter) summit in 1829. Reports in the twentieth century of wood being found high above the treeline fueled intense interest in new expeditions. Most notably, French explorer Fernando Navarro claimed in 1955 to have discovered wooden timbers in a glacial crevasse, stimulating even more interest among Western Christians, including me as a little boy.

Many questioned Navarro’s find, but in 1969 a carefully planned expedition, with Navarro as a guide, discovered only another controversial piece of supposed wood. Yet excitement continues today, fueled by hopes of discovering a mostly intact ship—or at least indisputable remnants—high on this or another mountain in the Ararat range.
Location of Mount Ararat

Mt. Ararat, which is traditionally thought to be the landing place of the Ark, is located in eastern Turkey near the border with Armenia and Iran.
The Modern Search

The modern search for the Ark actually commenced with Eryl Cummings in the 1940s when he began to gather anecdotal evidence of sightings. He and colleagues made several trips to Ararat to explore and study this remote mountain in the Muslim nation of Turkey. His 1972 book Noah’s Ark: Fact or Fable captivated the imagination of those who read it. Soon several expedition teams trekked to Mt. Ararat, including my own.

The newly formed Institute for Creation Research sponsored my first expedition in 1972. While our group of five strong climbers and photo-graphers didn’t find the Ark, we gathered new climbing details and an abundance of photographs and notes regarding the topography. As a result, the search grew in earnest.

I’ve journeyed thirteen times to Ararat, as others have done, including the now-deceased Apollo astronaut Jim Irwin. These trips have met with danger and varying success in helping to narrow the field of search. Not only is the mountain high and treacherous, but wild animals, intense storms, local bandits, and government opposition have been very real impediments. In recent years, Kurdish insurgents have used the mountain as a staging ground for terrorism throughout Turkey, as well as nearby Syria and Iraq.

Photo courtesy Dr. John Morris

Climbing along a steep ridge line of loose glacial skree during one of thirteen expeditions to Ararat led by Dr. John Morris

The early expeditions were all on foot, with mountaineers doing their best to cover the huge mountain. Most of the efforts hoped for a visual sighting, but some used ground-penetrating sonar, ice-cutting equipment, infrared scanners, and GPS positioning. On several occasions aircraft were permitted, both fixed-wing and helicopter. Obviously, many more sites could be investigated from the air than on foot. The entire mountain has even been photographed in stereo, yet without a confirmed sighting.

In addition to the scientific and archaeological significance, the Ark’s discovery would awaken new discussion about God’s wrath and His provision of a route to restoration.

Surely, after all this study we would know whether the Ark is on Ararat. But the mountain changes every year, revealing previously veiled secrets. Winter snows, shifting glaciers, and rock and ice avalanches expose and hide what lies underneath. Even after one site has been investigated thoroughly, it needs to be revisited. Many possible sites have been ruled out, but currently there are several “hot spots” that I and others would like to check.

In addition to expeditions that gather first-hand information, researchers continue to gather eyewitness testimony from individuals who claim to have seen the Ark. Their descriptions are substantially the same. According to numerous supposed eyewitnesses, something is up there, and the shape and composition they describe fits the biblical description and dimensions.

Hindering the search are false and even fraudulent accounts that embarrass serious searchers. Many have rushed to make claims with supposed evidence that cannot stand up to scrutiny. Yet, public fascination continues. Many people think the resting place and remnants of the Ark have already been found. But where is the physical evidence? We have a lot of smoke, but no fire.

Photo courtesy NASA

The general consensus among most biblical creationists is that Mt. Ararat is the resting place for Noah’s Ark. However, certain factors weaken this claim. Consider the following points both for and against Mount Ararat as the final resting place of the Ark.
On Mt. Ararat On Another Mountain

* The name “Ararat,” for the Turkish name “Agri Dagi,” is probably based on the Hebrew “rrt” in Genesis.
* Its location is high, allowing the Ark to land before the “tops of the mountains were seen” (Genesis 8:5).
* Based on eyewitness reports, few other places could hide the Ark in ice for 4,300 years—if such preservation were even possible.



* Ararat is a volcanic cone with little evidence that it was ever under water during the Flood, indicating that it may have formed after the Flood.
* As they left the Ark, the animals would have had to make their way down a 16,950 ft (5,165 m) volcano.
* Noah reported distant ranges without mentioning the closer Lesser Ararat.

The Bible reveals only that “the Ark rested on the mountains of Ararat” (Gen. 8:4). That’s a sizable region, not a mountain. Several locations have been proposed, including some in Iran and southern Turkey. However, the numerous eyewitness accounts seem to me and others to best point to the modern Mt. Ararat, and it is for this reason most expeditions focus there. Indeed, the only reason to search at all is that some claim to have seen it. A select few say that they have touched it, looked inside it, even recovered but later lost actual wood from the site. The Bible does not mention its survival or discovery. In my view, because of the glaciers, earthquakes, and other onslaughts of nature, the Ark could not have survived without God’s supernatural protection.
The Possible Significance

A well-documented and scientifically viable discovery would be quite newsworthy, and it is exciting to consider how it might impact world culture.

Photo courtesy Dr. John Morris

Inscriptions on ruined structure dating to early Christian times, possibly commemorating a nearby altar.
Archaeological Discoveries and Views from Mount Ararat

Various expeditions to Mount Ararat have revealed interesting archaeological discoveries that lead us to consider the possibility that the Ark remains hidden somewhere on the mountain. On the Answers magazine website you can see photos, like the one to the right, of objects that were found on or near the mountain. Some of these photos have never been published elsewhere.

A successful discovery would impact several fields of study. Archaeologically, it would affirm and excite the faith of Christians, giving them a bit more understanding of the world that Noah’s Flood (actually, God’s Flood!) was sent to obliterate. Scientifically, it would challenge the assumption that earth conditions are generally constant over time, which is an underlying assumption of evolution and naturalism. Since the Ark is a beautiful picture of Jesus Christ, and the Flood is a horrible reminder of the penalty for sin, the Ark’s discovery would awaken new discussion about God’s wrath and His provision of a route to restoration, and escape from the judgment that is to come.

Questionable claims of Ark discoveries blunt the potential impact of a true discovery. But I am convinced and sincerely pray that if found, the Ark will once again warn a rebellious world of the judgment to come. For this reason—on Mt. Ararat and throughout the mountains of that region—I think the search should go on.
Dr. John Morris earned his B.S. in civil engineering from Virginia Polytechnic Institute and an M.S. and Ph.D. in geological engineering from the University of Oklahoma. He is president of the Institute for Creation Research and wrote Is the Big Bang Biblical? and numerous children’s books.

you missed my point entirely. I am NOT trying to prove the Bible wrong. That is not possible. I don't believe it is wrong... on a spiritual level. I do believe however that much of it is not literally true. As in scientific and historically.

And requesting not to be addressed in a certain way is my right. I have a name.. and I don't like condescension, which is how it comes across to me.

And it would be really COOL if someone DID come up with a new theory or answer for these questions... maybe challenges to things might actually spur people on to come up with things like that.