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| Americans please I beg of you, vote informed Posted: 1/14/2008 6:19:59 PM | I'm overly informed, a lot more than I need to be.
That's what has led me to my decision
I'LL NOT VOTE.
I cannot, in my right mind, vote for a candidate who I know cannot stand up against a bigger force to do what is right for this country and the world. I'll keep bashing every candidate and every president.
Status quo is not acceptable. | |
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| Americans please I beg of you, vote informed Posted: 1/14/2008 6:36:20 PM | jrb-
"So now you need a college education to vote. I can see right now that I am more informed than you on our constitution and method of governing and I've nothing but a high school diploma. Let me guess, you are a college graduate. This arrogance and elitism at it's worst. I cannot believe that you would even begin to think that you are somehow more intelligent than me because of your education. In fact, from what I have read of your knowledge of how our government works, you would not pass a test that I made up. You do not even seem to realize what the powers of the president and congress are and we've yet to even touch on the judicial branch. Do you know what would be result of inacting your voter test? Ninety percent of natural born citizens would not be able to vote and the people picking our representatives and voting on local measures would be mostly newly naturalized US citizens from foreign countries who could run your butt in circles with their knowledge of the constitution and our government structure. You see, they just passed such a test.
And besides, after passing your test, what prevents a person from closing the curtain in thier voting booth and voting for the most handsome man on the ballot? Will the definition of handsom be on your test? And who's definition? Every man is handsome to Whoopie Goldberg. No man is handsome to Rosie O'Donnel."
--if you want to make a personal attack on my belief systems you are welcomed to do so, it wasn't the point of the thread.
secondly- nothing exsists in a vacuum and if there were clear cut answers on anything there wouldn't be debates.
I think your ugly and innapropriate comments about being a college graduate are unwaranted. You have to take drivers ed to get a license, I think you should have to take a course to vote, I didn't say anything about needing a college education. You want to pick a fight with me - get your facts straight! I AM NOT HERE TO PICK A FIGHT OR ANYONE'S BELEIFS - get it ?
My point is that people should vote as informed as they should be - thats it. That being said I am not going to respond to anymore negative BS from you or anyone else on this thread that wasn't the point here.
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| Americans please I beg of you, vote informed Posted: 1/14/2008 11:05:47 PM |
My point is that people should vote as informed as they should be - thats it.
Problem is, who are you to say how informed they should be. I could come up with what I think such a test "should" be and from what I've heard you say here there is no way that you are informed enough to pass it. You're the one that set the standard as "college level" and yet some of the most moronic of morons I've ever met are college graduates. Seems to me that dubya went to Yale. On the other hand some of the smartest and savvy people I've ever heard of never completed college. Bill Gates was a dropout for crying out loud. College level anythings means nothing to me. Your elitist attitude by even using the words "they should be" is an insult to every citizen of voting age. You accuse me of personal attacks but it is you that personally attacks everybody who might fail to meet the knowledge that you think should be. If you don't want to respond to my negativity, read I dissagree with you, then fine. You have a scroll wheel on your mouse I'll bet and I use mine all the time to just scroll on by posts I don't care to read. | |
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| Americans please I beg of you, vote informed Posted: 1/15/2008 1:45:38 PM | Montreal guy,
I have noticed in your posts that you provide the citationa nd the source from which you get your information from. Let me remind you that the sources you provide ( Boston Globe) are mostly liberal and democratic news sources. i used to live in Boston for 23 years and I know the globe is a democratic newspaper. Of course in a democratic newspaper or news source will they bash republicans so as that is said, i can not believe your sources because they are one sided. your citations would mean alot more if you found your information from a republican based news source that bashes republicans | |
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| Americans please I beg of you, vote informed Posted: 1/15/2008 6:14:58 PM | Interesting.
There are two possabilities:
1) The Globe lied 2) The Globe is correct.
No other possabilities exist.
If the Globe lied, you'd hear about it bigtime. If you've ever worked on a newapaper you'd know that fact-checking is so important a story cannot run until the facts have been verified. Newspapers, ones that don't want to get sued or shut down, take this very very seriously.
If however you believe what the Globe said was a lie, why don't you just point to evidence of the contrary. You can't of course because none exist.
Now, if the Globe is correct, do you really expect a Republican biased news source to point out abuses ands be critical of the president?
I'm sorry, but reality has a liberal bias. | |
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| Americans please I beg of you, vote informed Posted: 1/15/2008 8:08:30 PM | | Unfortunately the media is doing its best to limit the ability to be informed. Good example is what just happened tonight. MSNBC went to court to make sure that Dennis Kucinich was not allowed to debate in Nevada. I`m sure Obama,Clinton and Edwards were happy! | |
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| Americans please I beg of you, vote informed Posted: 1/16/2008 4:51:41 AM | Well put, rsx.
There was little real opposition to Dubya after 9-11 from Congress and little scrutiny from the American press. The foreign press, however, was more vigilant. | |
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| Americans please I beg of you, vote informed Posted: 1/17/2008 11:47:06 AM |
The Democratic Party has been hijacked by feminists
Given how badly:
1) Women have suffered under a male dominated executive 2) Men have badly screwed up your country 3) Women are half the population
I should have thought it would be mandatory to let women run it for the next 200 years.
"Honey put some shoes on and get out of the kitchen, they need you in Washington" | |
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| Americans please I beg of you, vote informed Posted: 1/17/2008 1:22:28 PM | There are a sizable number of people in this country who will tell you.....as almost as point of pride.... that they don't read. Books,newspapers,magazines....anything.
Expecting "informed" voters when people are willing admit something like this is at best wishful thinking, | |
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| Americans please I beg of you, vote informed Posted: 1/17/2008 2:00:45 PM |
There are a sizable number of people in this country who will tell you.....as almost as point of pride.... that they don't read.
This is especially true in the red states. As Bush said, "You can fool some of the people all of the time, and those are the ones you want to concentrate on." | |
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| Americans please I beg of you, vote informed Posted: 1/17/2008 3:12:40 PM | [This is especially true in the red states. As Bush said, "You can fool some of the people all of the time, and those are the ones you want to concentrate on." ]
Are you saying that it is especially true that there are a sizable number of people in the red states that don't read - as opposed to the blue states ? and you are baseing this on the fact that they are conservative leaning as opposed to liberal leaning?
and then you follow with a quote from Bush? a quote i might add that was taken out of context?
The following was taken from http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Talk:George_W._Bush regarding the quote you gave.. Seems like intellectual dishonesty is rampant on BOTH sides!
This "You can fool some of the people all of the time and those are the ones you want to concentrate on" was indeed from a Gridiron Dinner in 2001. It should be noted that this is the time of the year when the president traditionally tells jokes, and this was one. Whatever grains of truth you might see in it, its misleading to present it as a straight quote. The discrepancy between whether Robert Strauss or POTUS said it is due to the nature of the joke: The president was (falsely, in a humorous context) relaying advice he'd gotten from the Democratic strategist, who we can assume didn't really have such a conversation with the President. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1241240.stm | |
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| Americans please I beg of you, vote informed Posted: 1/17/2008 4:00:51 PM | Great thread. I told a friend of mine the other day during the primaries that she shouldn't even vote, because she didn't even know the names of the people running. I don't think she did. I haven't taken a college course on politics, but every time there is an election I plan on voting in I do my best to get the most knowledge and info I can before I vote. It has changed my vote many times.
As far as the great state of Michigan goes, our governor did have a terrible time when she moved in. No one can work miracles, and while I disapprove of the cuts she's made in healthcare and education, I don't know where else she would have found the money to balance the budget. She just simply didn't have any resources. One thing that is really going to hurt us, and has been hurting us, is all the outsourcing. Electrolux moved to Mexico (or somewhere outside of the U.S., can't remember for sure) and cost the area near me 2000 jobs. Not to mention the problems Ford is having, who knows how they'll recover.
I'm curious, Philly, why does every post I read of yours reek of disdain for pretty much everyone and everything that is not in your own realm of thought? You need a pill dude.
*edit* I started this thread a while back thinking it was interesting, and only one person posted to it, bless her heart. lol Here is a link to a quiz you can take to see what candidates match up closely to your own beliefs: http://www.wqad.com/Global/link.asp?L=259460
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| Americans please I beg of you, vote informed Posted: 1/17/2008 4:04:48 PM | Women have suffered under a male dominated executive
There are men that want to be dominated by women, be in servitude to her, and there are men that want to be a slave to feminists. The Democratic Party have both kinds of men. Bill Clinton is the poster child for such a douche. These men are the liberals. They are into the goddess. | |
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| Americans please I beg of you, vote informed Posted: 1/17/2008 5:00:19 PM | average anomaly~
i do appreciate your advice, and it is very sound. however, you might want to consider that while there might be some people that are "hurting" it really has less to do with the policies of the bush administration then it does to other factors. to make a claim like that is really difficult to do. there are so many factors that would have to be controled for. also, you are speaking of abstractions, "people... that are hurting," well, who are these people?
we've had the highest tax revenues under bush, despite his tax cuts (could it be because when you stop penalizing production you get more production?). there has not been a bad job report until this past quarter, and due to the increase in the price of oil, (which by the way is a publically traded commodity traded in new york and london only, denominated in us currency, and set by MARKET FORCES not the current occupant of the white house), the US economy has slowed down. so... please be informed on economic issues... you may want to check out IBD or start reading the wsj. and if you haven't taken macro or micro economics, or econ 101 at a college level, please consider doing so. you'll truly understand the world around you much better, you'll realize that gov isn't the solution to all of societies ills, that you too can have, and you'll be able to manage your money better. both wsj and ibd are great publications that help broaden the mind as to the how's and why's of the market place also. let's not forget that the market hit 1400 points under bush which is completely unbelievable. why back in the 80's the market was trading at half of that. i about fell off of my chair when the market hit that record! but i doubt that you did, why? because you didn't understand the significance.
so... yeah... vote informed!
viva "lazy fair", god bless alexander hamilton, milton friedman, john locke, and adam smith...
and to hell with the jeffery sachs of the world...
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| Americans please I beg of you, vote informed Posted: 1/17/2008 5:13:22 PM | Money is not the only ill this country and other countries have suffered in the last 8 years. And I'm sorry, you can spout off all the figures and facts you want about how great the economy is, but move to Michigan and you'll see a different story.
Nationally, doctors' reimbursements under Medicare have consistently dropped, and every January it is a fight right down to the wire in Washington for the January 1 deadline. This year, like last year, they postponed the 4% decrease until June. Considering the baby boomers are now reaching senior status, we are going to have real trouble on our hands if they don't straighten Medicare out. Meanwhile, the private insurance companies are making buckets of money. They make the rules tougher for employers to insure their employees, putting stricter limitations on them and higher costs on them all the time. This in turn forces employers to charge the employees more for less coverage. Then there are the 47 million uninsured Americans.
Then there is education. No child left behind was great in theory, but there are many children that are not benefitting whatsoever from this failed plan. There are continuous cuts for education funding and that doesn't seem to be stopping. Teachers do not get paid very well, and they don't have the materials they need to teach our kids.
If you ask me, we should be concerned with the youth and the seniors of this country more than we have been. Didn't someone very wise say the way to judge a country was by how it treats its old and its' young? | |
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| Americans please I beg of you, vote informed Posted: 1/17/2008 8:32:54 PM | If we were all as "informed" as we want to be, we might be so appalled as to what lies behind the slogans and the ritzy campaigns that we might not be able to make up our minds as to who we should promote to power.
My biggest problem is when you can get as informed, educated and stuffed full of knowledge as possible and then all that fails when the candidate you voted into power walks away from everything he/she proclaimed, swore and promised they would do.
You can be as "informed" as you want but that won't necessarily mean you are a good judge of character or who keeps their word once in power.
BUT.... eventually yes! it's better to know than to be ignorant.  | |
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| Americans please I beg of you, vote informed Posted: 1/18/2008 8:28:11 AM | OP. Your message is a wonderful idea, and you make great points up until you start making assertions based on your belief. For example:
There are many many people whose lives have been less than average as a result of the current administration. People are suffering, jobs are lost, people are hungry and stuck and bad situations. The truth is we have experienced an unprecedented 57 straight months of job growth in the US. You have to look locally for the explanation, was it result of increased corporate investment, or simply a phenomenon. In your particular area, I suspect less growth than the rest of the US enjoyed. The continuing decline of the automotive industry has been a foregone conclusion since the big 4 began negotiating contracts with the union that were short sighted and benefited primarily the workers, not the company. In the 60's, the UAW presented a "take it or leave it" contract to the big 4, and within 10 years one of the big 4 disappeared, and the market share of the remaining 3 began to slip from 99.8% in 1965, to the 58.7% it was at the end of last year. For your area, it would seem additional government programs would provide an immediate fix, but that’s a band-aid provided by the other 49 states, and does nothing to “fix” your problem, merely lessens the suffering for a short period.
Please whoever you vote for, make a good choice for Americans as a whole, not just the rich or poor, black or white, immigrants or aliens, male or female, democrat or republican. Please understand each vote does count and if you haven't taken a COLLGE LEVEL GOVERNMENT COURSE ON POLITICS whereby you truly understand the fundamental platform differences between parties, please GET INFORMED. I agree being informed is crucial, but I take exception to your notion that there is any single candidate who represents ”a good choice for Americans as a whole”. The simple truth of the matter is that Americans MUST vote for the candidate who best represents their specific needs. This is the ONLY way the majority of Americans can achieve true representation.
Don’t vote for a puppet because you like what they have to say, vote for what they can prove they can do! Sadly, all candidates are largely “puppets”, dancing to the strings of their party’s strongest influences. The candidate is merely the best face the RNC or DNC can put on their label of canned politics, and I believe it’s naïve to consider it any other way.
I realize that it is impossible to know everything about everyone and all the issues but please try to gain as much unbaised information about the candidates as you can. I have seen no election matter more in my lifetime thus far. The only truly unbiased source is their individual voting record. You have to look, under their administration, at the overall financial direction of the States for the former Governors in the race, or City for the former Mayors, as well as the State and / or Federal Congressional records for the rest of the candidates … remember a registered No Vote (NV) is not an indication a candidate was for or against an issue, it’s an indication they didn’t feel it was important enough to vote on, or they planned to spin it for media leverage in an upcoming election.
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| Americans please I beg of you, vote informed Posted: 1/18/2008 8:48:58 AM |
There are men that want to be dominated by women, be in servitude to her, and there are men that want to be a slave to feminists. The Democratic Party have both kinds of men. Bill Clinton is the poster child for such a douche. These men are the liberals. They are into the goddess.
Some poeples opinions come from Planet Earth. Some peoples opinions seem to be from Mars. The above seems to come from Uranus. | |
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| Americans please I beg of you, vote informed Posted: 1/19/2008 12:35:20 PM | Are you saying that it is especially true that there are a sizable number of people in the red states that don't read - as opposed to the blue states ? and you are baseing this on the fact that they are conservative leaning as opposed to liberal leaning? ^^^^^^^^ If that's the case, how will you explain Harper and before him, Mulroney? Fact is, western Canada, the real Canada has saved Canada from the loonies of Ontario. Are you saying that Albertans for example are uninformed? Canadians from the western provinces share the same values as most Americans and you can't deny this.
Some poeples opinions come from Planet Earth. ^^^^^^ So you deny that most of western Europe is not a matriarchy? The world, especially the Muslim world know that women run western Europe. The enormous immorality in the west, high divorce rates, destruction of the family unit and the weak militaries are a major factor from these matriarchy driven countries. There is a social tunnel connecting western Europe and the United States of this bad influence. Whatever trend that occurs in western Europe reaches the United States and Canada within five years. | |
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| Americans please I beg of you, vote informed Posted: 1/19/2008 1:14:59 PM |
The truth is we have experienced an unprecedented 57 straight months of job growth in the US.
Well, here's a good case in point about being informed.
Our economy has a solid foundation, but there are also areas of real concern. Our economy has seen the longest uninterrupted period of job growth on record – 52 months of job growth – but job creation has slowed recently.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/economy/
So, let's look at this "job growth", shall we ?
The past year, hailed by Republican propagandists and "free trade" economists as proof of globalism’s benefit to Americans, was dismal. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics’ nonfarm payroll data, the US "super economy" created a miserable 1,054,000 net new private sector jobs during 2007. [BLS Job Numbers, January 4, 2008]
This is not enough to keep up with population growth—even at the rate discouraged Americans, unable to find jobs, are dropping out of the work force—thus the rise in the unemployment rate to 5%.
What a super new economy Americans have! US job growth has a distinctly third world flavor. A very small percentage of 2007’s new jobs required a college education. Since there are so few jobs for university graduates, how is "education the answer"?
During the past year, US goods producing industries, continuing a long trend, lost 374,000 jobs. What occupations provided the 1.4 million service jobs in 2007? Waitresses and bartenders accounted for 304,200, or 21% of the new service jobs last year and 29% of the net new jobs. Health care and social assistance accounted for 478,400, or 33% of the new service jobs and 45% of the net new jobs. Ambulatory health care and hospitals accounted for the lion’s share of these jobs.
Professional and business services accounted for 314,000, or 22% of the new service jobs and 30% of the net new jobs.
Are these professional and business service jobs the high-end jobs of which "free traders" speak? Decide for yourself. Services to buildings and dwellings account for 53,600 of the jobs. Accounting and bookkeeping services account for 60,500 of the jobs. Architectural and engineering services account for 54,700 of the jobs. Computer systems design and related services account for 70,400 of the jobs. Management consultants account for 88,400 of the jobs.
There were more jobs for hospital orderlies than for architects and engineers. Waitresses and bartenders accounted for as many of last year’s new jobs as the entirety of professional and business services. Wholesale and retail trade, transportation, and utilities accounted for 181,000 of 2007’s new jobs.
Where are the rest of the new jobs? There are a few scattered among arts, entertainment, and recreation, repair and maintenance, personal and laundry services, and membership associations and organizations.
That’s it. Keep in mind that the loss of 374,000 goods producing jobs must be subtracted from the 1,428,000 new service jobs to arrive at the net job gain figure. The new service jobs account for more than 100% of the net new jobs.
Keep in mind, too, that many of the new jobs are not filled by American citizens. Many of the engineering and science jobs were filled by foreigners brought in on work visas. Indians and others from abroad can be hired to work in the US for one-third less. The engineering and science jobs that are offshored are paid as little as one-fifth of the US salary. Even foreign nurses are brought in on work visas. No one knows how many of the hospital orderlies are illegals.
http://www.tradereform.org/content/view/590/34/
It's also misleading to refer to this "job creation" streak , when one places the "start" of that period right after a huge post 2000 recessionand 9/11 job loss. If one calculates the jobs lost then, then adds any "gains" since, it's a bit like the analogy of the Titanic hitting the iceberg while it's captain concentrates on the ounces of water bailed versus the thousands of gallons of water pouring in.
And in this wonderfully rosy assessment of how incredibly well the job creation market is doing, let's look at how the average US family is doing under it's magic spell - shall we ?
1. Wage growth is low. Factoring in inflation, hourly wages were 2.7% higher and weekly wages were 1.9% higher in October 2007 than in March 2001.
2. Weak job growth continues. Monthly job growth since March 2001 has averaged an annualized 0.7%. From November 2006 to November 2007, the average monthly job growth was 127,100 jobs, compared to 186,600 in the preceding 12 months, and 208,900 in the 12 months before that.
3. Benefits are disappearing. The share of private sector workers with a pension dropped from 50.3% in 2000 to 43.2% in 2006, the last year for which data are available, and the share of people with employer-provided health insurance dropped from 64.2% to 59.7%.
4. Family debt is on the rise. In the third quarter of 2007, household debt averaged a record 133.0% of disposable income. In the second quarter of 2007, families spent 14.3% of their disposable income to service their debt, up from 13.0% in the first quarter of 2001.
5. Families feel the pressure. The share of mortgages entering foreclosure was 0.8% in the third quarter of 2007—the sixth increase in a row to the highest level on record since 1979. The share of all mortgages in foreclosure also reached a record 1.7%.
6. Housing market slows. New home sales in October were 23.5% lower than a year earlier, and existing home sales were 20.7% lower. The median sales price of existing homes was 5.1% lower in October 2007 than a year earlier, and the median sales price of new homes dropped 13.1%. The average monthly supply of homes for the six months ending in October was 8.5 months—the highest since February 1991.
7. Home equity declines. Home equity dropped by 2.5 percentage points relative to disposable income in the third quarter of 2007—the seventh decline in a row—ending the largest year-over-year drop since June 1992.
8. Poverty stays high. The poverty rate fell slightly to 12.3% in 2006, down from 12.6% in 2005, but still substantially higher than the last low point in 2000, when it was 11.3%.
9. Business investment is low and productivity growth slows. Business investment averaged 10.8% of GDP between March 2001 and September 2007—the lowest share since the 1960s. Net investment, after accounting for depreciation of capital goods, averaged 2.0% of GDP at the same time—the lowest share of any business cycle. And labor productivity growth fell below 2.0% in 2005 and 2006 for the first time since 1997.
10. Improvements in government’s finances are temporary. In August 2007, the Congressional Budget Office estimated that the deficit for 2007 amounted to $158 billion—$14 billion less than projected in January. Yet the cumulative budget deficit from 2008 to 2012 increased sharply from $194 billion to $696 billion in CBO’s projections.
11. Tax cuts do not pay for themselves. The Joint Committee on Taxation estimated that the tax enacted since 2001 would cost $300 billion in 2007 alone, such that the federal government would show a surplus had it not been for President Bush’s tax cuts.
12. This endangers our economic independence. Foreign investors bought 77.2% of new Treasury debt and the share of U.S. foreign-held debt grew to 46% in September 2007 from 31% in March 2001. Interest payments from the federal government to foreigners rose to $39 billion in the second quarter 2007 from $21 billion in the first quarter of 2001.
13. Trade deficit remains high despite strong export growth. In the third quarter of 2007, the trade deficit fell slightly to 5.0% of Gross Domestic Product from 5.2% in the second quarter of 2007. Yet, the last trade deficit is still larger than any trade deficit since the Great Depression recorded before the second quarter of 200
http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2007/12/econ_snapshot.html
Almost no wage gains (placed against rapidly rising prices) since 2001 , less benefits, and ever increasing debt.
Given the fact of this wonderful "job creation" myth, this makes little or no sense. If the economy was this strong, it wouldn't be so weak.
June 12, 2006
1. Profits are up, but the wages and incomes of average Americans are down.
* Inflation-adjusted hourly and weekly wages are below where they were at the start of the recovery in November 2001. Yet, productivity—the growth of the economic pie—is up by 14.7%.1 (Figure A)
* Wage growth has been shortchanged because 46% of the growth of total income in the corporate sector has been distributed as corporate profits, far more than the 20% in previous periods.
* Consequently, median household income (inflation-adjusted) has fallen five years in a row and was 4% lower in 2004 than in 1999, falling from $46,129 to $44,389.3
2. More and more people are deeper and deeper in debt.
* The indebtedness of U.S. households, after adjusting for inflation, has risen 42.0% over the last five years. 4 * The level of debt as a percent of after-tax income is the highest ever measured in our history. Mortgage and consumer debt is now 120% of after-tax income, more than twice the level of 30 years ago.5 * The debt-service ratio (the percent of after-tax income that goes to pay off debts) is at an all-time high of 13.9%.6 * The personal savings rate is negative for the first time since the Depression.7
3. Job creation has not kept up with population growth, and the employment rate has fallen sharply.
* The United States has only 1.9% more jobs today than in March 2001 (the start of the last recession). Private sector jobs are up only 1.5%. At this stage of previous business cycles, jobs had grown by an average of 8.8% and never less than 6.0%.8 * The unemployment rate is relatively low at 4.6%. But the percent of the population that has a job has never recovered since the recession and is still 1.3% lower than in March 2001. If the employment rate had returned to pre-recession levels, almost 4 million more people would be employed.9 * More than 3 million manufacturing jobs have been lost since 2000.10
4. Poverty is on the rise.
* The poverty rate rose from 11.3% in 2000 to 12.7% in 2004.11 * The number of people living in poverty has increased by 5.4 million since 2000.12 * More children are living in poverty: the child poverty rate increased from 16.2% in 2000 to 17.8% in 2004.13
5. Rising health care costs are eroding families' already declining income.
* Households are spending more on health care. Family health costs rose 43-45% for married couples with children, single mothers, and young singles from 2000 to 2003.14 * Employers are cutting back on health insurance. Last year, the percent of people with employer-provided health insurance fell for the fourth year in a row. Nearly 3.7 million fewer people had employer-provided insurance in 2004 than in 2000. Taking population growth into account, 11 million more people would have had employer-provided health insurance in 2004 if the coverage rate had remained at the 2000 level.15
http://www.epinet.org/content.cfm/pm110
If the job creation market was actually as strong as is being implied, and the quality of those jobs were high, wages would be rising - as employees were harder to get. That they aren't is a sign that this "full employment" idea and wonderful economy (that this administration was trumpeting for so long) is , and always was, a myth.
It's not backed up by the numbers, and all you have to do is look around and see that the emperor has no clothes. | |
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| Americans please I beg of you, vote informed Posted: 1/19/2008 7:24:23 PM | (How did civil right movements get anything done in the 1960's?
I agree that LBJ did a fabulous job of law inforcement during the sixties greatly contributing to the equal rights movement. Enforcing the law is one the president's to primary jobs, the other being Commander In Chief of the armed forces. But he passed no new civil rights laws. Again, he does not have that power under the constitution so he is hardly very important at all in the civil rights movement on his own.)
Actually the truth be told LBJ, only signed the Civil Rights Act because the house and senate were republican controlled, he was actually set to veto it, but didn't have the vote's too over ride a filibuster promised by the republican party. So yes we as voters who need to be informed and make a conscious effort to vote for the best Candidate for the country as a whole, and right now I'm leaning towards Romney, because honestly not one Democrat Candidate is qualified to run this greatest nation on God's Green Earth... | |
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| Americans please I beg of you, vote informed Posted: 1/19/2008 7:37:05 PM |
It's not backed up by the numbers, and all you have to do is look around and see that the emperor has no clothes.
And you chose to "look around" on the internet and then copy/paste garbage that you think supports your position. For every copy/paste you do I could counter with a copy/paste refutation. That's why I didn't even bother reading your posted diatribe. I never do when people think the rest of us can't use our own search engine and do likewise. Tell me what you think and we can exchange views. I'm sure there is someway to hook up our copumters and let them compete in a search engine drag race. | |
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| Americans please I beg of you, vote informed Posted: 1/19/2008 8:05:09 PM | Montreal Guy;
Unfortunately, none of this can or will be fixed by any of the front-runners of either of the major parties. One of the reasons I'm not voting for either this year---just as I have since 1988. Neither of the two major parties has earned my vote. | |
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