| Lights in the sky
Posted: 1/18/2008 6:28:06 AM |
check out this link to a film I don't buy the mile diamater claim but it is huge
its not lights and appeared to be taken at dusk
www.maniacworld.com/UFO-of-Los-Roques.html
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Posted: 1/18/2008 7:45:55 AM | WoW! that was something Chris ~ Thanks
Now~ without the film footage ~ would you tell anyone what you saw?
There seems to be at times some kind of transperancy of the object in question ~ it's amazing! It's like you can see through it at times. ~ Imagine a blue object against a blue sky ~ thats what my friend described that she saw from about the same distance. But unlike her account, this one passed directly overhead of the viewer.
The slow roll inversion of something that large at treetop level was simply awsome.
Did you notice the second smaller round craft as it inverted?
as far a size~ I agree, not a mile but huge ~ I've spent so time at sea ~ you have little to relate too ` regarding size and speed ~ you mind do not process the infromation well
but in this you do have camera position, speed of the car and the trees. ~ I'd guess 900 to a 1000 feet dia.
There appears to be a cloaking attempt of some fashion ~but like ours ~ not a 100%
a matter of not returning light or returning the same wave band as the backdrop will deem something invisible to the human eye.
which bring up another recent current event ( days old) caught it on MSN.
Some scientist have created a materal that is blacker then black. Much blacker the then the National Standard for black ~ returns very little light.
Put a whole new meaning the phrase "Blacker then midnight under a skillet"
As far as sighting go ~ they show up everywhere, over cosmopolition neighborhoods, military bases ~ they don't seemed to be restricted ~ I think they have interest in our black ops projects and weapons storage complex~ and enjoy sitting in ~ real party crashers ~they are.
The show over Mexico City~ is for the people, I think ~ Being one of the largest populated areas in the world ~ with less posibilities of mankinds most advanced stuff to be throw at them. ~ It's truly an Air Show ~ I interpet that as a "Sense of Humor"
The underlying fear!??? ~ what's their intentions ? Mining , I suspect and water
Why cover it up? ~ There is nothing that can be done about it ~ and civil unrest is my guess.
With so many people steep in some faith that gives their life purpose and faith alone its basis ~ This really upset their apple cart. ~ Both government and Religon are at a loss for words and they don't enjoy that position. ~ They rule us by dominion ~ with all the answers. ~ This is a question that they are chocking on.
But it should not be! ~ It's a simple matter of growing ` wiser and opening the mind ~ this is nothing compaired to some biblical accounts ~ I fail to see how people can swallow a camel yet gag on a nat ~ dar | |
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Posted: 1/18/2008 7:50:40 AM | oops posted under Sunny again ~ sis with be mad! Her computer is much better then mine!
WoW! that was something Chris ~ Thanks
Now~ without the film footage ~ would you tell anyone what you saw? any wittness would be confused and dioriented and sounding dazed and crazed.
There seems to be at times some kind of transperancy of the object in question ~ it's amazing! It's like you can see through it at times. ~ Imagine a blue object against a blue sky ~ thats what my friend described that she saw from about the same distance. But unlike her account, this one passed directly overhead of the viewer.
The slow roll inversion of something that large at treetop level was simply awsome.
Did you notice the second smaller round craft as it inverted?
as far a size~ I agree, not a mile but huge ~ I've spent so time at sea ~ you have little to relate too ` regarding size and speed ~ you mind does not process the infromation well wihout reference and past experiences
but in this , you do have camera position, speed of the car and the trees. ~ I'd guess 900 to a 1000 feet dia. ~ 1500 max
There appears to be a cloaking attempt of some fashion ~but like ours ~ not a 100%
a matter of not returning light or returning the same wave band as the backdrop will deem something invisible to the human eye.
which bring up another recent current event ( days old) caught it on MSN.
Some scientist have created a materal that is blacker then black. Much blacker the then the National Standard for black ~ returns very little light.
Put a whole new meaning the phrase "Blacker then midnight under a skillet"
As far as sighting go ~ they show up everywhere, over cosmopolition neighborhoods, military bases ~ they don't seemed to be restricted ~ I think they have interest in our black ops projects and weapons storage complex~ and enjoy sitting in ~ real party crashers ~they are.
The show over Mexico City~ is for the people, I think ~ Being one of the largest populated areas in the world ~ with less posibilities of mankinds most advanced stuff to be throw at them. ~ It's truly an Air Show ~ I interpet that as a "Sense of Humor"
The underlying fear!??? ~ what's their intentions ? Mining , I suspect and water
Why cover it up? ~ There is nothing that can be done about it ~ and civil unrest is my guess.
With so many people steep in some faith that gives their life purpose and faith alone its basis ~ This really upset their apple cart. ~ Both government and Religon are at a loss for words and they don't enjoy that position. ~ They rule us by dominion ~ with all the answers. ~ This is a question that they are chocking on.
But it should not be! ~ It's a simple matter of growing ` wiser and opening the mind ~ this is nothing compaired to some biblical accounts ~ I fail to see how people can swallow a camel yet gag on a nat ~ dar | |
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Posted: 1/18/2008 7:54:01 AM | The only thing I ever saw was one night when I was walking my dog, perhaps ten years ago. It was a clear night, and you could see every star in the sky.
I looked up, as I often do in such cases, and saw what looked like three "shooting stars" in the sky. I've seen them before, so I know what they look like. It's very unusual to see them in Montreal , however.
They were in a triangular pattern, and moving fast. So far, not unusual at all.
One "broke away" from the others, did a wide sharp curve, and then came back into it's previous formation position perfectly. I know enough about military aircraft to be quite sure that what I saw wasn't a flight of something like CF-18's on a night flight. That type of movement, speed, and direction change was way beyond anything a human could have survived.
Could it have been three shooting stars , reentering space debris of some type ? Quite possible, I guess.
Whatever it was, it remains an unidentified UFO in my view. | |
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| Lights in the sky
Posted: 1/18/2008 9:31:29 AM | Mg ~ did you view Chris' clip? ~ everyone ~ don't miss it ~ next to the bottom post , first page.
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I've personal never seen nothing!! and I've looked and looked ~
at sea ~ 100 and 100 of nights with the vessel tied off a platform or anchor bouey ~ some 60 to 90 miles off the coastline ~with little to do ~ except tend to the ship and gaze into the sky ~ full of millions and millions of diamonds ~ and nada ` nothing!
a few sattelites is all. There was a time you could catch the Space Lab ~ suppose you still can.
The crop circle "clip" was very interesting as well. ~Some major Cloaking going on ~
I've head little about cloaking ~and while that supprise me ~ It shouldn't!
The last thing that the government wants ~ is for you to be looking out for something that you can't see! ~ Funny! ~ how it works ~ dar | |
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Posted: 1/18/2008 11:24:23 AM | Did a little more research if you can call it that> Los Roques is a resort Island off the
coast of Venezuela, found another clip supposedly taken Aug 2007 at 8 Pm
which looks like a blimp to me
Ref the first clip, think its close to 1000 - 1500 Ft max I spent 2 years plus on
a Carrier, so yes a 1000 feet is big, power requirement would be huge
Research has also found that by putting lights on planes you can hide them optically
Have had two (sightings??) ufo's yes flying saucers ?? probably not
I was going into work one morning cloudy and noticed a dark ball (?) shape hanging
just out of the bottom of the cloud bank. maybe a nickle size at arms length. have no
idea of distance nor the height above ground, but it stayed in the same place for about 5 or
6 mins no place to pull over and get my binocs on the object, wind speed aloft was probably low.
And the other time was relaxing in the hot tub on the deck 10Pm or there abouts
was looking up at zenith when a fuzzy white object went over ENE to WSW pretty
much N to S
aprox 2 seconds was in the layer and gone so from 90 Deg to 45 Deg aprox was 2 seconds
so what high and really fast or low and slow, no noise but the spa jets may have masked
that, again about 25 cent size at arms length. looking like a cotton ball
All I know is the the link in my first post sure wasn't Han Solo and the Millenium Falcon
Chris | |
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Posted: 1/18/2008 1:20:30 PM |
Mg ~ did you view Chris' clip? ~ everyone ~ don't miss it ~ next to the bottom post , first page.
The Millenium Falcon one ? 
Looks like a very badly done fake to me. There's a "lightning" effect that SCREAMS post production add on.... It seems like aliens have not only impressive technology, but they ALSO have a great sense of dramatic flyby's that happen to take into account a human standing there with a camera.
"Look TWWTYTYRR, over there ....Human with video camera. "
"RIGHT ! Hard a starboard crew, nothing worse than a BADLY shot scene. Remember how these humans are. Break out that "Close Encounters" music thing. They LOVE that type of thing.
Do-di-do-do-DOOOOOOO.....
Guess they watched too much of our TV on the way here. 
Ever hear the audio tape of The Rendlesham Forest Incident ? A US base sent out some highly trained security people to verify a UFO, and the tapes floating around of their conversations. These guys are trained professionals....listen to the tone of their voices.
The Rendlesham Forest Incident
Date
December 26, 1980 Location
Rendlesham Forest, United Kingdom
Summary: What is widely considered Britain’s most extraordinary encounter took place between 26 and 28 December 1980. It involved at least a dozen civilians from villages surrounding Rendlesham Forest, a large pine wood in south east Suffolk eight miles from the large town of Ipswich. However, it also gained a high profile because of its military witnesses, part of a huge USAF contingent at the twin bases of RAF Bentwaters and Woodbridge located beside the forest.
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=sSXu3g2T-a8
YouTube:
The Rendlesham Forest Incident - The Halt Tape
And :
Astronaut Gordon Cooper Talks About UFOs
Good ol' Gordo is on video talking about it all.....
Also :
Belgium UFO Wave Part 1 ( and part 2)
Watch that one for some official military and police statements. | |
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Posted: 1/18/2008 1:41:59 PM | There was one in Austin the other day...maybe that's the one you were all talking about...I didn't read all the way back...but I found a good vid of it online here if anyone's interested.
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/221589/incredible_ufo_over_university_of_texas_campus/&sa=X&oi=video_result&resnum=9&ct=thumbnail&usg=AFQjCNG-hDbz1tdm6p-DkHw7H3Ta0_EjRg | |
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Posted: 1/18/2008 6:36:10 PM | Chris ~ I concur with estimate size ~ not a mile or even close
are far as the film footage ~ besides just being impossible to allow the mind to get around and accept.
If you study close ~ the cloaking effects ~ as they adjust to the movement of the craft and attempt to display some illusion of transparency from the angle of sight. It's a breathtaking sight to see such a huge devise attempt to alter it's image so quickly.
It was like watching an octopus attempting to change it's shape, pattern and color to fool and be fuddle it's enemy. ~ " At This Time" I'm at" awe" with the footage and if it is a fake ~ I'm equally at "awe" with the attempt made to demostrate the vecotored objects association to backdrop and the devices attempted cloaking effects.
It was like hidding a battleship in the sky! ~ at a glance~ you could easily miss it, especially if you were a mile or so away. The film footage in question was not taken at a range that the cloaking system was intended to work to otimum effect . ~
same effects with some of the landing in crop fields ~ the craft is there but you don't see it ~but ( only a cicular air disturbance)~ only as it lands and crafts out riggers compress and bend over the plants stems with the weight of the craft do you see the effect of it presence. ~
very cleaver trick ~ how do they do that?
Some must see to believe ~ and I don't blame any of you ~for now it's just a joke.
I'll dig deeper as I know you will ~dar | |
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Posted: 1/19/2008 8:35:37 PM | What I always find some interesting is how quick people are two do two things. First to disregard any explanation by anyone with authority or training and secondly to jump from 'unexplained object' to "IT'S ALIENS!!!"
So a bunch of people saw some lights they can't explain. Well I guess that means some people saw some lights they can't explain. That's about the extent of this story.
I think there is intelligent life on other planets, but have they ever visited the earth? The evidence so far is absolutely ZERO. Just because something strange is seen and it can't be explained by any known phenomenon does not mean it's aliens on a tour of the planet. | |
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Posted: 1/19/2008 9:03:41 PM |
The evidence so far is absolutely ZERO
It would be more accurate to say the proof is absolutely zero, at least for civilians. There is lots of evidence, it just hasn't been proven yet, one way or the other. | |
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| Lights in the sky
Posted: 1/20/2008 7:49:49 AM |
In the USA , at least some of those sightings might be "black op" programs.
I'm curious, how many people do you suppose would be involved in these type of programs over the years, and why again, after all these years, has no one gone 'public' with irrefutable supporting documentation? | |
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Posted: 1/20/2008 8:21:50 AM |
hoop
I'm curious, how many people do you suppose would be involved in these type of programs over the years, and why again, after all these years, has no one gone 'public' with irrefutable supporting documentation?
EXACTLY!
Even in a totally black ops program such as it is/was with nuclear weapons they can't keep secrets...Why anyone would entertain the thought that they could keep extratterrestrials a secret is just silly.
"Military secrets are the most fleeting of all secrets"
Furthermore, if intelligent extraterrestrial's truly wanted to contact us, they wouldn't be landing in the backwoods or trailer parks. It just makes no sense because if aliens are smart enough to travel through space, why do they keep abducting the dumbest people on Earth? | |
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Posted: 1/20/2008 11:03:55 AM |
I'm curious, how many people do you suppose would be involved in these type of programs over the years, and why again, after all these years, has no one gone 'public' with irrefutable supporting documentation?
The threat of jail.
Remember the stealth fighter was designed in secret and they had an entire operational squadron before the Air Force went public with it. The government can keep some things very quite when they have too.
Think about the SR-71 Blackbird that has been retired. The last plane shattered records on it's last flight to it's retirement location. What has replaced that? Officially nothing. Something took it's place and it will be years before word leaks out. It could very well be what many people have seen over the years. | |
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Posted: 1/20/2008 12:14:37 PM | One of historys brightest minds , well ahead of his time~ suggested that the earth was round, ~~ look what happen to him.
There is many enticements to put a sock in it and fewer enticements to come forward. Many of the people that do come forward are attacked ~ made to look a fool ~
I was slow to start this thread ~ but with humor and current events on my side ~ I took a chance.
One seems to always outweigh the other ~ allowed enough time for the system to bring pressures to bare.
Just my opinion. ~
As a world of people ~ I think until it's "In our face" the uncertainly will continue.
Anyone up for a train ride into Mexico City? ~ Good way to see the countryside.~ made it a group thing! ~ lots to see and do.
It's all about science ~ and the search for answers ~ very exciting stuff ~ we all want to know and understand ~ to think someone is holding out ( lol) make it more intense. ~dar | |
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Posted: 1/20/2008 12:28:45 PM | sssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhh Now everyone's gonna know!
Ok 'we' confess. It is our mothership, onboard which you will find the core of mensa, abject, object and indescript beauty of many sizes, shapes, colours and forms. We are the walkers among you. We will assimilate you. Resistance is Futile! 
Ok ok .. some of you are really quite safe!!! ((always thinkin of that gene pool!)) 
Now - all bow to the great FSM!
A.S.is
we come in  .. well ok, most of us!
ok - all jokes aside. It's a rather big universe, dontcha think, for us to be the Only anthill .. I mean come on!!! lmao
I do think it a tad silly to think that any half wise alien would want to bother with .. ahem.. human beings in their 'quest' for intelligent life!!
That's right !! We scream we don't believe in 'em and then claim to know exactly what 'their' quest would be!!! lmao
I do believe they are out there, just kinda dubious about the notion of visiting this planet.
A.S.is
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Posted: 1/20/2008 6:33:52 PM | Unfortunately, the Los Roques UFO, is nothing more than the wild imaginings of a somewhat talented 3D animator....
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c22_1200356935
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Posted: 1/20/2008 8:46:24 PM | looks pretty good, the second Los Roques did look fake the first time I saw it
went back to the first one again and its a possibility
RE the SR-71 official reason to retire was that we had satellites to handle the job now
and didn't need it. yea sure. The 71 was last plane designed with slide rules, and Pres Johnson let it out. other wise might still be secret, same as the 117, Testor came out with a pretty close model of it. I saw a good video of it about 1991 or so was at Wright Patterson and had video of it running, and Now they have an original on display
was over there last week end. lots of new stuff and new old WWII stuff also
Re satellites, per a conversation a few years back we have things in orbit that can tell if
un authorized people are listening to them or receiving their signals
Qestion? what did we have flying around in the early 40's possibly 44 or 1945 that
was totally silent?
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Posted: 1/20/2008 9:33:34 PM | Blimps ~ but not completely silent ~ not rapid or ~ Oh! sail planes ~ very quite
but I fail to associate compairison . `
I understand they have moved skunk works operations out of 54.
so black ops is blacker then ever ~ or so it would seem.
What's the latest word on contrails~ smoke rings in shape ~ anyone ~ got the latest ?
~dar | |
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Posted: 1/21/2008 12:13:57 AM |
The threat of jail.
Remember the stealth fighter was designed in secret and they had an entire operational squadron before the Air Force went public with it. The government can keep some things very quite when they have too.
Think about the SR-71 Blackbird that has been retired. The last plane shattered records on it's last flight to it's retirement location. What has replaced that? Officially nothing. Something took it's place and it will be years before word leaks out. It could very well be what many people have seen over the years.
The threat of jail isn't a serious one.
If the government had projects that could alter the course of humanity (alien spacecraft,wormhole travel,etc) the amounts of money you could make divulging that information would easily exceed the amount your legal defense would cost you.
The Mafia has a "we'll kill you" policy that covers their employees....and yet they still have issues w/ informers.
I doubt that a potential 20yr sentence (IF you're prosecuted AND convicted) would deter somebody ready to cash in on something big. | |
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Posted: 1/21/2008 1:01:18 AM |
Remember the stealth fighter was designed in secret and they had an entire operational squadron before the Air Force went public with it. The government can keep some things very quite when they have too.
Agreed, that's what most of this stuff is. Governmental experiments of experimental craft. Which coincides nicely with "Area 51" even though all the CTists want to think its anal probing aliens.
That inversion roll to me showed one thing -- the clear lightsource in the center.That was not a skin change, most likely it was a helium ballon if it was anything. Only a helium ballon could move that quietly and need to be that large. It's probably an experimental in PsyOps -- Psychological Operations, a relatively newer branch of our military.
Think about the SR-71 Blackbird that has been retired. The last plane shattered records on it's last flight to it's retirement location. What has replaced that? Officially nothing. Something took it's place and it will be years before word leaks out. It could very well be what many people have seen over the years.
I've been thinking the same thing for years now. Not to mention the stealth bomber did something no other aircraft has ever done -- put an aerodynamically unstable object up in the air, flying via quadruple redundancy fly by wire controls. But what holds that thing in place, stabilitywise, is all computer.
Experiments on flying wings and saucers go back to the 50s but the stealth bomber shows us, in practice, that such craft can now exist. I'd be shocked if they didn't have a working saucer using the same principles.
If you study close ~ the cloaking effects ~ as they adjust to the movement of the craft and attempt to display some illusion of transparency from the angle of sight. It's a breathtaking sight to see such a huge devise attempt to alter it's image so quickly.
It was like watching an octopus attempting to change it's shape, pattern and color to fool and be fuddle it's enemy. ~ " At This Time" I'm at" awe" with the footage and if it is a fake ~ I'm equally at "awe" with the attempt made to demostrate the vecotored objects association to backdrop and the devices attempted cloaking effects.
Squids do even better. Their brains can be bigger than ours, up to 8 pounds, and communicate to each other through skin flashes and color changes. Watch National Geographic's "Colorful Cephalapods(sp?)" sometime. Far superior to human communication. The question is WHAT are they communicating? | |
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Posted: 1/21/2008 1:16:24 AM |
That inversion roll to me showed one thing -- the clear lightsource in the center.That was not a skin change, most likely it was a helium ballon if it was anything. Only a helium ballon could move that quietly and need to be that large. It's probably an experimental in PsyOps -- Psychological Operations, a relatively newer branch of our military.
Ummm..if you meant within the last 100 years as "newer" then I suppose PsyOps could be seen as "newer."
There have been psychological operations units in the US Army,in one form or another since WWI.
And...while I may be missing "the Big Picture"...I'm not certain why an PsyOps unit would use helium balloons...over American soil...for an operation.
Wouldn't a UAV have been easier to control?
Not seeing the value of that kind of..."op"
Perhaps you can enlighten me..... | |
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Posted: 1/21/2008 1:55:35 AM | It's amazing how a person can share two incredibly intelligent things about animal communication and keeping a nonflying object flying and yet some one wants to focus on the dumbest and lowliest content.
Not seeing the value of that kind of..."op"
Perhaps you can enlighten me.....
Even if it were just creating a distraction a large UFO type object could be handy at times. Maybe they were testing it and that whole ballon you saw fits into a truck. So they needed a full field test? The lightsource in the center maybe serves two functions -- to gain attention from all angles and use its heat to keep the surround gas warm thus providing maximum lift. Also to provide the illusion of great power. Looked about like a halogen light source to me but it could be anything, really. But were I to design a balloon and had one light/heat source THAT is where I would put it and why.
What is any speculation on my part even going to matter? You should go back to basics and learn why and how things do work since you don't even want to believe the military can keep the secrets they have successfully kept.
You can read about them here. It clearly says they are used during peacetime. I'll leave the rest of the speculating up to you. 
http://www.psywarrior.com/psyop.html | |
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Posted: 1/21/2008 2:09:17 AM | ^^^^^
Are you serious?
Was that serious statement?
You stating a US military unit is using helium balloons (which FYI use air currents to stay aloft and as such can't be guided) for...a distraction?
Since a skeptical viewing would have thought a weather balloon's origin would involve some type of WEATHER-related purpose...if the pics were of helium balloons.....which hasn't been established.
Again...why not use a UAV... a powered flying vehicle to simulate a UFO?
If that was someone's "idea?"
It would probably look more realistic than any weather balloon...and been easier to control.
Control is something that people like to do when the experiment w/ or test things.
The thought a military unit would use any type of PsyOps when there are any number digital camera owners and ,amateur astronomers that could observe it as well as civilian aircraft that could be endangered, borders on the ludicrous.
Of all the things that those "lights" could have been...you reached down extracted the least likely from a pool potential candidates.
Too bad you didn't say it was a UFO..
You would have come across as more credible | |
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Posted: 1/21/2008 5:40:10 AM |
Squids do even better. Their brains can be bigger than ours, up to 8 pounds, and communicate to each other through skin flashes and color changes. Watch National Geographic's "Colorful Cephalapods(sp?)" sometime. Far superior to human communication. The question is WHAT are they communicating? This allows you to quote a previous post.
Message: What are they communicating? ~ if they are anything like us ~ it has someing to do with getting, having or keeping. lol
This creature is the master cloaker ~ application of this behavior is of great interest and value ~ the secret to magic tricks ~ will always be a guarded one.
The eye deceives ~ and the mind processes from established norms ~~ all very exciting stuff.
Enjoying everyones post ~ thanks ~dar | |
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