| Tiger attack victim was drinking, admitted taunting
Posted: 1/24/2008 4:46:23 PM | I know I will be fussed out, but what the heck. When I was a kid,I would catch flies and throw them into spider webs. Another time, me and my sister cut the legs off of a grandaddy longleg spiderHas anyone ever been cow tipping? I was only brave enough to do it once. Never again. T think what scared me was the cow didnt fall over. It just woke up. I always thought cows said moooooo. This one said 'Biiiiiiii----ch.
I guess i should say something on topic. I understand the point of views of people believing animals should not be confined. And I realize the victims were adults, but were most likely acting like they were 10 years old,but cant some of you show a little sympathy for the kid who died?Just because he was a human being. I can admit Ifeel sympathy for a tiger, or any creature,being confined and who knows what the public are doing to it. | |
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| Tiger attack victim was drinking, admitted taunting
Posted: 1/24/2008 5:15:07 PM |
I'm sure nobody here did anything stupid in their teenage years...
I did more stupid things when I was a teenager than a man has a right to be able to live and tell about... but in all of that, not once... not a single time did I A) taunt a caged killer animal OR stand by and let my friends taunt one.
I hear people talking about how its not proven that the kid who died did any taunting... if he was there and watched his friends do it then he is just as responsible. | |
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| Tiger attack victim was drinking, admitted taunting
Posted: 1/25/2008 9:19:48 AM |
I hear people talking about how its not proven that the kid who died did any taunting... if he was there and watched his friends do it then he is just as responsible.
Responsible...for what?
If the zoo had done its job...the tiger would never have been able to get out of the enclosure.
The fact that the tiger DID...says that nothing was stopping the tiger from leaving its enclosure at any time.
That makes it the ZOO'S responsibility.
Blaming the victims (particularly the one that was killed) does...what?
Make you feel better? | |
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| Tiger attack victim was drinking, admitted taunting
Posted: 1/25/2008 5:03:07 PM |
The fact that the tiger DID...says that nothing was stopping the tiger from leaving its enclosure at any time.
The fact that the tiger DIDN'T leave at any time until it was provoked by stupid, drunk, potheads indicates the animal was pushed beyond its' limits. I don't suppose you've ever felt like you were pushed to the edge by someone. The fact that the tiger reacted when provoked as ANY provoked animal would seems to be lost on you. And the fact that you seems to want to berate other posters, does what? Makes you feel all grown up? | |
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| Tiger attack victim was drinking, admitted taunting
Posted: 1/26/2008 12:47:42 AM |
The fact that the tiger DIDN'T leave at any time until it was provoked by stupid, drunk, potheads indicates the animal was pushed beyond its' limits. I don't suppose you've ever felt like you were pushed to the edge by someone. The fact that the tiger reacted when provoked as ANY provoked animal would seems to be lost on you. And the fact that you seems to want to berate other posters, does what? Makes you feel all grown up?
Name-calling injured and dead people does.....what again?
But...back to the subject at hand...
The job of an animal enclosure is...wait for it...to enclose an animal.
This necessary for both the safety of the animal as well as the patrons.
And the enclosure has to work regardless of the tiger's "limits"...or the enclosure is essentially worthless.
So...and I'll repeat this...the enclosure failed to keep the tiger from escaping.
This means the tiger could have escaped at ANY TIME PRIOR TO THIS.
Not sure where you having trouble understanding that fact.
The animals in a zoo are provoked every day.Sad but true.
It's responsibility of the zoo's employees to prevent situations where the animals are injured by these provocation,or worse,that the zoo's patrons are injured or killed by these acts.
The zoo failed to do as such....and a person is dead.
That makes it the zoo's responsibility.
As to my "berating" people...everybody on here is an adult.
They are free to express themselves and conversely should be willing to have those expressions challenged.
I can accept that...why can't you? | |
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| Tiger attack victim was drinking, admitted taunting
Posted: 1/26/2008 6:18:34 AM | | It is becoming increasingly clear that 350-pound Siberian tiger that killed a teenager and severely mauled two other visitors in a Christmas Day rampage climbed over a wall that at 12-1/2 feet was about 4 feet below the recommended minimum for U.S. zoos. | |
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| Tiger attack victim was drinking, admitted taunting
Posted: 1/26/2008 8:44:35 AM | I have gone to zoos where I see parents with their children...letting their kids do whatever they want to do. Parents should teach their children to respect all living things and to act correctly. I wonder who really belongs in the zoo!
I am sorry for the kid who died...no one should have to die out of stupidity but it was a lesson learned. We ended up having to kill a beautiful animal because of human ignorance.
Sad on all accounts. | |
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| Tiger attack victim was drinking, admitted taunting
Posted: 1/26/2008 9:00:57 AM |
So...and I'll repeat this...the enclosure failed to keep the tiger from escaping.
This means the tiger could have escaped at ANY TIME PRIOR TO THIS.
Not sure where you having trouble understanding that fact.
And yet it didn't, until these three guys visited it. That in itself says something about the way they were behaving. | |
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| Tiger attack victim was drinking, admitted taunting
Posted: 1/26/2008 2:09:02 PM | But...back to the subject at hand...
The job of an animal enclosure is...wait for it...to enclose an animal.
This necessary for both the safety of the animal as well as the patrons.
And the enclosure has to work regardless of the tiger's "limits"...or the enclosure is essentially worthless.
So...and I'll repeat this...the enclosure failed to keep the tiger from escaping.
This means the tiger could have escaped at ANY TIME PRIOR TO THIS.
Not sure where you having trouble understanding that fact.
what is so difficult for you to comprehend about the simple FACT that tatiana did not escape any other time? your premise is specious on it's face. the REALITY is that she would still be alive if some totally worthless pieces of shyt would have behaved. TATIANA WAS THE VICTIM!!! lay off the shrooms and get a grip | |
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| Tiger attack victim was drinking, admitted taunting
Posted: 1/26/2008 2:28:49 PM |
what is so difficult for you to comprehend about the simple FACT that tatiana did not escape any other time? your premise is specious on it's face. the REALITY is that she would still be alive if some totally worthless pieces of shyt would have behaved. TATIANA WAS THE VICTIM!!! lay off the shrooms and get a grip
Why would my having a differing opinion than you require me to use drugs?
Or is that you response when you have no argument?
To accuse people of drug use?
You might need to bone up on those debating skills.
The tiger escaped.
The reason the tiger escaped was the enclosure did not prevent its escape.
The fact that somebody (allegedly,until it's proven by a gathering of the evidence) taunted the tiger is of little consequence.
Any number of variables could have caused an escape attempt.
The purpose of an animal enclosure is to make escape an extremely difficult prospect at best.This,given the media reports,was hardly the case.
The tiger easily escaped its enclosure,killed one man,wounded two others and attempted to attack additional people when it was killed.
That's it.
Simple.
Cut and dried.
Being unhappy that the tiger was killed is understandable.
Showing a lack of empathy for a human beings' death and attempting absolve the organization responsible for his safety from blame is not.
I have a "grip."
Perhaps you should get one. | |
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| Tiger attack victim was drinking, admitted taunting
Posted: 1/26/2008 2:51:59 PM | | People tend to do that when they do not have an argument. And i cant imagine calling people worthless pieces of %$$% for waving and yelling at an animal. Maybe she feels that way because they are Hispanic. They were worth something to someone. Has anyone actually cried over the tiger. I am sure there were more tears over the boy who died. And I remember reading that a few years ago, a women wrote a letter to the zoo telling how she saw a tiger almost jump out. But still, nothing was done. I see the zoo at least 90% at fault, and the victims, no more than 10% at fault. | |
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| Tiger attack victim was drinking, admitted taunting
Posted: 1/26/2008 4:15:29 PM |
The tiger escaped.
The reason the tiger escaped was the enclosure did not prevent its escape.
The reason the tiger attempted the escape was it feeling threatened by the three men.
That's it.
Simple.
Cut and dried.
Being unhappy that the tiger was killed is understandable.
Showing a lack of empathy for a human beings' death and attempting absolve the organization responsible for his safety from blame is not.
Is it understandable that some people want to blame organizations to the point that they waive personal responsibility?
And i cant imagine calling people worthless pieces of %$$% for waving and yelling at an animal. Maybe she feels that way because they are Hispanic.
I can't imagine implying someone is a racist just because I disagree with their viewpoint, but I guess people tend to do that when they do not have an argument. | |
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| Tiger attack victim was drinking, admitted taunting
Posted: 1/26/2008 4:30:07 PM |
I can't imagine implying someone is a racist just because I disagree with their viewpoint, but I guess people tend to do that when they do not have an argument.
Alot of people do that. I only did it to get a reaction. I like to be stupid sometimes. Its fun. Now that I got one, I will apologize. Sorry for the remark but immaturity is in my nature.
To be on topic, I do feel for the tiger, but I feel much more for the victims and their families.Alot of young people get killed or hurt for doing stupid things. Yes, they do bring it on themselves, but I still feel their sadness and the sadness of their families. | |
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| Tiger attack victim was drinking, admitted taunting
Posted: 1/26/2008 4:38:55 PM | >>>Is it understandable that some people want to blame organizations to the point that they waive personal responsibility?
Who was responsible to keep that tiger in the enclosure, the zoo or these teens? | |
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| Tiger attack victim was drinking, admitted taunting
Posted: 1/26/2008 4:58:05 PM |
Who was responsible to keep that tiger in the enclosure, the zoo or these teens?
The zoo.
Who was responsible for the actions that prompted the tiger to attack, the zoo or these teens? | |
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| Tiger attack victim was drinking, admitted taunting
Posted: 1/26/2008 5:04:46 PM | The teens.
But it could have been anything- it could have been a two year old throwing popcorn in its enclosure, or a 7 year old staring into the tigers eyes without understanding not to- to say that anyone who pissed the tiger off, especially a tiger that attacked humans in the past, is entirely at fault is dead wrong- the zoo is responsible for keeping humans and animals separate,reguardless if they're total douche's. The zoo ignored industry standards, and people died. | |
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| Tiger attack victim was drinking, admitted taunting
Posted: 1/26/2008 5:09:45 PM | GoodDay....
Thank you for the enlightening thread. We here on the East coast do not get the full report. I knew that there was much more to the report than we were seeing. There has never been, in recorded history of any animal attacking a human for no reason. The tiger did only what it was supposed to do. A human or any animal will react to what those kids put itn through.
Besides the police would have nothing to brag about if they merely tranquillized the animal. After all that gave then bragging rights.
I spent a year in Africa, amid all kinds of animals, never once did I have a problem. I consider that one of my greatest adventures, being able to interact with them.
Againm thank you for bringing that to light........   
If I am not to forward.........
~~SUN~~ | |
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| Tiger attack victim was drinking, admitted taunting
Posted: 1/26/2008 5:14:10 PM | Arieann.....
I am appalled at what you did. The mutilation of any living thing should be condemned. To bad someone did not pull your legs off, of continue to tip you over. I feel sympathy for the tiger. The tiger did only what it's instinct told it to do. Did you know that every serial killer, and mass murderer, started out just that way? Mutilating insects and torturing animals. | |
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| Tiger attack victim was drinking, admitted taunting
Posted: 1/26/2008 5:20:51 PM |
But it could have been anything- it could have been a two year old throwing popcorn in its enclosure, or a 7 year old staring into the tigers eyes without understanding not to
Odds are these kinds of things did happen... and yet the tiger did not try to escape. Kind of makes you wonder what all these men did that caused the tiger to do this.
to say that anyone who pissed the tiger off, especially a tiger that attacked humans in the past, is entirely at fault is dead wrong
Indeed so, but I have never said that. What I have stated is that both the zoo and the men in question are at fault for this incident.
Would it matter if a gaggle of small schoolchildren had made even more noise and the tiger escaped, attacked and ate them? Your argument seems to fall apart in this case.
In that case, I would hold whoever was responsible for these schoolchildren at fault for allowing them to behave that way. | |
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| Tiger attack victim was drinking, admitted taunting
Posted: 1/26/2008 5:34:41 PM | "There has never been, in recorded history of any animal attacking a human for no reason. "
I suggest you search Google for mountain lion attacks in western states or ask Roy Horn why his tiger attacked him.Animals attack humans all the time,they do so because they are hungry or they feel threatened.Going to Africa and seeing animals in the wild is one thing,people expect to leave a zoo unharmed. | |
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