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 Sadistic_Toaster
Joined: 5/26/2008
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i was not allowed to speak to my male friends or even the guy in the Asda as he said it was disrespectful to him.
Now what you got to say


I used to know a women who started dating a (non-Moslem) guy who didn't want her to speak to any other guys. At all. Nothing to do with religion , he was just a paranoid control freak.
 MuslimLady
Joined: 10/28/2007
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Posted: 11/19/2008 9:54:22 AM

I used to know a women who started dating a (non-Moslem) guy who didn't want her to speak to any other guys. At all. Nothing to do with religion , he was just a paranoid control freak.

In a previous life, I dated a non-Muslim white bloke, he had real issues - was paranoid, depressive, and totally psychotic in the things he would say and do...

Sad thing is that as he is not Muslim this will mean people would say he must have "real problems" aka psychiatric...yet if he were a Muslim it would have been only due to his faith...

Needless to say I have no contact anymore - but on the odd occasion I think I may have seen him I am mentally planning an escape route - so much does he terrify me!
 AlmaM
Joined: 3/20/2008
Msg: 228
I had a relationship with someone who was a muslim
Posted: 12/31/2008 7:15:46 AM
I think nothing is wrong with dating religious people of any religion but a practical thing would be to sign an agreement that a religion will not be forced up on the children if any born in this relationship.

If this is the case I wouldn't have anything against dating anyone religious but if they cannot agree on this then tough luck.. I would not be able to continue a relationship with them.

Same thing I would think about dating a vegetarian person.
 Agapis
Joined: 3/20/2008
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Posted: 12/31/2008 8:06:00 AM

In my experiance and in the town i live in,which i might add is seventy percent muslim,all muslim men are the same.


all the same?

so youve met all 70% of them? i seriously doubt it. and are you referring to Sunni or Shia? i bet u didnt know there was a difference did you?

by the way, christians beat their partners too.
 Andy_Beemer
Joined: 11/6/2007
Msg: 230
I had a relationship with someone who was a muslim
Posted: 12/31/2008 7:18:20 PM
I worked with a muslim lad for 30 years.
He married his 4 ugly daughters off to mail order bridegrooms. (Guess where from)
His wife and son cleared off from Bolton to leicester. So she can be "near her family".

I've found they are morally and culturally incompatible.
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Heres some news:

"Bizarre Third World practices — including forced marriages of nine-year-olds and honour killings — are on the rise in Britain as the Third World colonisation of the country continues.

Newly released statistics show that more than 2,000 young female children went missing from school last year in areas identified as “high risk” by the Foreign Office’s Forced Marriage Unit. “High risk” is politically correct newspeak for Muslim."

The figure shows a dramatic increase over the previously released statistics which showed that in the first nine months of 2008, the Foreign Office’s Forced Marriage Unit handled more than 1,300 cases — about half of these involving minors.

Every year in the UK, about 13 women are victims of honour killings, occurring within Asian and Middle Eastern families. Police have complained that the cases can often not be resolved due to the “unwillingness of family, relatives and communities to testify.”

In 2003 the Metropolitan Police set up a strategic task force to tackle the issue. A specialist unit was given the task of researching honour crimes and 100 murder files spanning the last decade were re-opened in an effort to find common links.

A 2006 BBC poll for the Asian network in the UK found that 1 in 10 of the 500 young Asians polled said that they could condone the murder of someone who dishonoured their family.

Government estimates that two-thirds of forced marriages of ‘British’ nationals are linked to Pakistan, and many of them involve poor families in remote rural areas. Last year, the British High Commission Assistance Unit in Islamabad dealt with 131 cases of forced marriage, up from 85 the previous year.

Jasvinder Sanghera, founder of the Karma Nirvana charity which aims to help victims of forced marriages, inadvertently highlighted the cause of the problem when discussing the issue in a recent newspaper.

Ms Sanghera pointed out that the immigrants are actually bringing their culture to Britain, even though the victims might be second or third generation British-born. This is how colonisation works: outsiders bring their culture with them and make it the norm in the regions they occupy.

“These young girls are very isolated, they only know the environment they’ve been brought up in, they’ve been conditioned — groomed almost — to only know this way of life,” Ms Sanghera said.

“In many cases, they are kept prisoner in their own homes before being flown abroad and forced to marry. Their partners have been chosen for them and that process starts from eight-years-old.”

Campaigners also fear these figures only reveal the tip of the iceberg as forced marriage is so under-reported.

But Ms Sanghera warns that underage girls at risk of kidnap, rape and violence rarely get the support they need. “Often this is because schools are reluctant to intervene for fear of being accused of racism,” she added.""Bizarre Third World practices — including forced marriages of nine-year-olds and honour killings — are on the rise in Britain as the Third World colonisation of the country continues.

Newly released statistics show that more than 2,000 young female children went missing from school last year in areas identified as “high risk” by the Foreign Office’s Forced Marriage Unit. “High risk” is politically correct newspeak for Muslim."

The figure shows a dramatic increase over the previously released statistics which showed that in the first nine months of 2008, the Foreign Office’s Forced Marriage Unit handled more than 1,300 cases — about half of these involving minors.

Every year in the UK, about 13 women are victims of honour killings, occurring within Asian and Middle Eastern families. Police have complained that the cases can often not be resolved due to the “unwillingness of family, relatives and communities to testify.”

In 2003 the Metropolitan Police set up a strategic task force to tackle the issue. A specialist unit was given the task of researching honour crimes and 100 murder files spanning the last decade were re-opened in an effort to find common links.

A 2006 BBC poll for the Asian network in the UK found that 1 in 10 of the 500 young Asians polled said that they could condone the murder of someone who dishonoured their family.

Government estimates that two-thirds of forced marriages of ‘British’ nationals are linked to Pakistan, and many of them involve poor families in remote rural areas. Last year, the British High Commission Assistance Unit in Islamabad dealt with 131 cases of forced marriage, up from 85 the previous year.

Jasvinder Sanghera, founder of the Karma Nirvana charity which aims to help victims of forced marriages, inadvertently highlighted the cause of the problem when discussing the issue in a recent newspaper.

Ms Sanghera pointed out that the immigrants are actually bringing their culture to Britain, even though the victims might be second or third generation British-born. This is how colonisation works: outsiders bring their culture with them and make it the norm in the regions they occupy.

“These young girls are very isolated, they only know the environment they’ve been brought up in, they’ve been conditioned — groomed almost — to only know this way of life,” Ms Sanghera said.

“In many cases, they are kept prisoner in their own homes before being flown abroad and forced to marry. Their partners have been chosen for them and that process starts from eight-years-old.”

Campaigners also fear these figures only reveal the tip of the iceberg as forced marriage is so under-reported.

But Ms Sanghera warns that underage girls at risk of kidnap, rape and violence rarely get the support they need. “Often this is because schools are reluctant to intervene for fear of being accused of racism,” she added."

Happy new year
 Warrencraig
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Posted: 1/1/2009 12:19:27 AM
Why did you feel the need to say all that twice???

Statistics are all very well but they need the proper explanations to back them up and give them meaning.

for example in one line you said it had gone up to 131 from 85 the previous year. but without say the previous 10 years results you cant possibly prove that trend. Reported incidences and actual incidences are 2 different things. How do you know the system for reporting such things hasnt been better advertised or improved accounting for the rise???

Most statistics are useless without approriate source info and interpretation to go with it. If you dont believe me just look at how politics bend statistics to make themselves look great!!!
 Andy_Beemer
Joined: 11/6/2007
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Posted: 1/1/2009 7:51:37 AM
Hello again Warren,
For starters the muslim population has skyrocketed out of all proportion in these past 10 years and it was 18 months(Feel free to correct me please) ago this was placed into the public eye.

These stats ARE useless. If only we knew earlier then there would be many saved lives. Many less slaves (Effectively rape mules). Many more citizens of this country living AS citizens of this country.

It happens.
Duh!
 stew_67
Joined: 9/29/2008
Msg: 233
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Posted: 1/1/2009 9:09:59 AM
i'd hope my partner would be my equal and hold my hand side by side in public .if it was not for a women men would not be here.. tell him to do one ,pump a few FFF'S INTO HIM .
 UniqBaybe
Joined: 6/18/2009
Msg: 234
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Posted: 7/25/2009 12:18:02 PM
Religion has nothing to do with it, it is culture
 lemontart
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Posted: 7/25/2009 1:02:50 PM
My brother converted to muslim and treated his then wife in this way mind you he treated his previous wives equally as bad and thankfully all have left him and are having good lives now,
 mister meena
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Posted: 11/12/2009 10:48:14 PM
My relationship with a muslim woman was the contrary. We met through a chatroom really by accident. I just asked if anyone was from the town I live in and moments later there was a yes reply. We chatted and for about 20 minutes and I discovered she was an overseas student at the University not far from where I lived. We decided to meet so I could offer her the chance to visit out of town places which she'd never have seen without transport. I didn't really know what to expect of her but was pleasantly surprised when she turned up wearing jeans and a sweater. She didn't wear a headscarfe and was totally liberal in her thoughts which made things alot more relaxed, although I still had respect for her culture. We became really close friends and I visited her frequently. Her hospitality was amazing and after a while our different cultures and religious upbringing meant nothing, we were 2 human beings who had strong feelings towards eachother. We eventually after some time had sex, which for her was a very big step. Sex out of marriage for most if not all muslim women is punishable by death in some muslim states. We continued to meet and after 1 year it was time for her to return to her country. We still chat via the web and text after 4 years after her return. She has very liberal thoughts but is still like most muslim women living under that dark cloud of religion dominated and run by men. I can honestly say this.......she is without doubt the sexiest, warmest and most compassionate woman I have met in a very long while. Muslim men rule women by fear and violence because a woman in the words of Islam is worth only half of a man.
 jubbly
Joined: 3/9/2009
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Posted: 11/13/2009 4:55:49 AM
Islam is a creed, culture...whatever one cares to label it, that has no place in modern society.

Its bloodthirsty diktats and misogynist leanings belong in the mediaeval era. We should challenge and neutralise it on all fronts.
 diabolikk
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Posted: 11/13/2009 5:09:41 AM
mister meena, my experience was roughly similar, only longer lasting. I did 3 years with this great woman but the price I would have had to "pay" was my conversion to Islam to marry her and that, I could not do expecially after studying the religion to know it to see if I could actually do it.
I fough long and hard, I became an expert on it, I even travelled her country 3 times to know it better. My goodwill was defeated again and again by reality.
 Desert Star 1
Joined: 9/4/2009
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Posted: 11/13/2009 7:55:46 AM
There are many non-muslim men who are just as bad or worse. Many other religions and cultures (some christian) who make women second class citizens.
The fact that he is Muslim may have something to do with it, but I think it has more to do with him as a person.
Not all Muslims are like that, and not all men like that are Muslim. He may be one of the fanatical ones who chooses to interpret various parts of the Qu'ran to suit himself, just as many Christians twist parts of the bible to suit their needs.

It is good that you got out of that - no one deserves to be treated that way.

However, I must say that I would be very wary of dating outside of my own culture .
 nicktomlinrhys
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Posted: 11/13/2009 8:57:51 AM
I think that Islam is radical and is kinda narrow but at the same time we as a nation are being "programmed" to place everything at their door.I prefer not to go on and on labouring a point but just consider this....

....all the women who won't date a muslim because of this or that.Its your right not to but you can't say that all the single mothers in this country are the result of anything to do with muslims .I say single mothers rather than divorced or widowed.There is a HUGE population of single mothers of children by multiple men and these take up housing and benefits. Address the personal level and it means that that woman was not able to stay with her man or was not able to keep him or was not able to tolerate him. So every way it means he was no good...................................yet you would be hard pressed to find a single mother put in that position by a muslim ,particularly not by a Asian or Middle Eastern variety.

The other issue is where someone stated that the muslim population has increased dramatically.The fastest growing ethnic group in this country is Africans . They are not immigrants.....they are asylumseekers .The immigrants are skilled from non EU countries or those from EU.Brown may cap skilled immigrants but they are not the ones using benefits .So the problem will remain.

I also think France has done a useful thing in banning all headgear.We should do that too.
 Desert Star 1
Joined: 9/4/2009
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Posted: 11/13/2009 9:16:26 AM
Whilst I agree with much of what you've said Nicktomlinrhys, I don't agree with banning any head gear, or any other cultural or religious symbols for that matter.
As for the Africans, most of North Africa is Muslim.

People do tend to tar all Muslims with the same brush. They think they are all radical western hating suicide bombers and its just not true. Whilst I don't necessarily agree with everything in the Islamic culture, I must admit that many of them live by their codes far more than many so called Christians. In fact most Christians shouldn't even be calling themselves that.

As I said there are many puritanical and uptight Christian sects in the world that would put the Muslims to shame. One's where women are 2nd class, not fit to be seen or heard in public. One's where women must cover up and be demure little mice.

It is one of my pet hates - people ignorantly generalizing and writing off an entire culture because of a few extremists.

But all that is besides the point and getting off topic.

As an after thought...I am very surprised that this topic hasn't been deleted. Not that I am advocating such censorship, but it did occur to me that this is far more inflammatory than mine which was removed. Ah well.
 nicktomlinrhys
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Posted: 11/13/2009 10:01:53 AM
@desert star
The only reason I say lets ban headgear or any religious symbols is not because I feel that way.I am not religious at all.I say that because we in Britain are in danger of been led by the nose in waters unseen by people passing themselves off as patriots .We need to eliminate any such cause for excuse and thats one of them .I would ask the Islamic community to co-operate.But we as a nation are being indoctrinated and programmed against muslims in a big way so its not even right any more .

Like I said.....those single mothers of kids by multiple partners are legion.They are a huge segement of our population and in most cases they bag council housing and flats.Their situation means that they need benefit and I wouldn't have it any other way...........

.....but my point is ....those women were badly treated by the men in their lives.Those kids have in most cases been abandoned .They rarely know who the father is but I would challenge anybody to say that muslim men even register on that statistic apart from in some minute number(and we have to say that to avoid error)....so how come going out with one muslim can cause so much stubboness but all those women don't blame those white guys or black guys who placed them in the single mothers bracket ? Do they avoid them ? No...in fact they repeat themselves over and over .

I know North Africans are muslim but they count as Arabs .The people I am talking about are from the accepted African bracket.That is the fastest growing ethnic group in the UK.The skilled workers are IT,doctors etc and usually from Asia,Europe or Austraila.They rarely need to uses any service because of their skill.I think its mindeless to make it harder for them yet let asylumseekers in.

My girlfriends mother is muslim from Malaysia.Her father is English and honestly I never heard them to have disagreements.


But ye know wot, the left who apologize for this religion is the same as them getting into bed with nazis, and if ye think I am wrong, take a look at racist bigoted Haj Amin al- Husseini who collaborated and called for the extermination of the jews in wartime Berlin and his nephew Mohammed Abdel-Raouf Arafat As Qudwa al-Hussaeini, better known as Yasser Arafat who took over his racist bigoted "mission".


I seem to recall that a "christian" so called Anglo-Saxon leader of a "patriotic" British party aka NG has not disputed the holocasust took place but disagreed with the numbers .So does that make it alright if its 4 million instead of 6?
This same Anglo-Saxon "British patriot" thinks Churchill was a war criminal yet has no complusion in using his face on his posters .The very same guy believes the blitz on Coventry was justified.........yet he is christian,British and an Anglo Saxon.....worse...a so called PATRIOT !


Honestly, if it where white anglo saxon males who had the same views you lot who apologize for them Muslims, you would be screaming bloody blue murder, I note the complete silence from the feminists, the anti racist league type persons, and all the other "I am offended for you wether you are or not" brigades silence against the human rights abuses made in the name of this religion and it's people...


I think your leader is a traitor trying to pas himself off as a patriot .
 exceptionalgirl
Joined: 7/23/2009
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Posted: 11/13/2009 10:05:33 AM
I’m of a similar view to Desertstar and also you will find a few atheists on here who will give you chapter and verse about how oppressive Christianity and Judaism are in comparison to Islam which sometimes seems the more liberal faith when taken in it’s pure context.

I was discussing this with one of the guys on here recently and the issue of the woman being “half a man” came up and I was pretty sure I’d read about that way back in a theology degree many moons ago but I looked it up just in case and the point about it is actually fascinating.
Apparently there are 2 places in the Quran that specifically state this

1. When a woman is giving witness to any event it must be corroborated by another woman also or by one man. – the reason being is that sometimes when a woman is menstruating or has PMT she is more forgetful and agitated than other times and could give false witness at that time. So instead of asking her ‘hey are you on the rag dear?’ the judge automatically assumes that she ‘could’ be and so 2 women have to have witnessed the same thing.

I know if one psycho PMT nutter was condemning me to death or prison on her word id really want as many others as possible to have to corroborate her word !

If you consider that there are certain crimes in this country that if a woman commits at a time when she has PMT it is actually accepted as a defence, then it seems that putting that law there like 1400 years ago was quite smart and forward thinking.

2. A woman inherits half the share of a man on the dividing of inheritance.
This has to be taken into account with the laws concerning a woman’s money, because it’s all her own entirely and no one has any claim on it except her. What she earns is hers, what she inherits is for her alone and what she is given by anyone is hers alone.

Whereas the men of the family are commanded to be responsible for the women in their family financially and in every way, even if she has money. So out of what he gets from inheritance he has to support himself, his wife, his daughters and sons (who are underage) sisters, mother aunts in fact any unattached female in the family has a claim on him for support.

There is no other place that mentions a woman being less than a man in any context and in fact men and women are collectively addressed in the Quran as ‘believers’ and God is cited as a genderless being.


EDIT

The walking behind thing was to protect the women in case a man knocks into them as before they were not allowed out in society and then Islam said let them go out but look after them. The only women out walking freely would have been prostitutes, so they said also let them wear modest clothes when out so that no one mistakes them for a prostitute and molests them. That's where the covering up came from, so they could have freedom to go anywhere.

So the men walked in fornt to shield them. Those societies were very barbaric and you must consider that women were so hated back then that they were actually buried alive. The only women out walking freely would be prostitutes

Of course mysogynists will always use whatever they can to put women down but dont blame the faith that actually was trying to give women a fair deal and a real value in the world as a human being.

 saddle-tramp
Joined: 5/14/2009
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Posted: 11/13/2009 10:11:46 AM
Ye gotto love the left wing apologists for this racist bigotted wicked religion which has passages in it that encourage the marriage of young nine year olds, girls the same age as my daughter! And if you think I haven't read this book, I actually have a copy and have indeed read a lot of the hate filled racist rethoric...Muhamad married and consumated that marriage with a nine year old and muslims take that as ok....

But ye know wot, the left who apologize for this religion is the same as them getting into bed with nazis, and if ye think I am wrong, take a look at racist bigoted Haj Amin al- Husseini who collaborated and called for the extermination of the jews in wartime Berlin and his nephew Mohammed Abdel-Raouf Arafat As Qudwa al-Hussaeini, better known as Yasser Arafat who took over his racist bigoted "mission".

Honestly, if it where white anglo saxon males who had the same views you lot who apologize for them Muslims, you would be screaming bloody blue murder, I note the complete silence from the feminists, the anti racist league type persons, and all the other "I am offended for you wether you are or not" brigades silence against the human rights abuses made in the name of this religion and it's people...
 nicktomlinrhys
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Posted: 11/13/2009 10:26:49 AM

But ye know wot, the left who apologize for this religion is the same as them getting into bed with nazis, and if ye think I am wrong, take a look at racist bigoted Haj Amin al- Husseini who collaborated and called for the extermination of the jews in wartime Berlin and his nephew Mohammed Abdel-Raouf Arafat As Qudwa al-Hussaeini, better known as Yasser Arafat who took over his racist bigoted "mission".


Lord Haw Haw comes to mind .The Mitfords.Mosely ....and our current so called "patriot" who thinks Churchill was a war criminal for the bombing of Dresden and praises the Waffen SS as brave men.Disputes the numbers of Jews killed but not the killings.
This same christian,anglo-saxon "patriots" deems the Coventry blitz as justified and goes on to use Churchills face on his posters........

Why does he excuse the Nazis while claiming to be a patriot..........
Every reason to think thats a traitor and those who sleep with traitors know no reason.
 Jo van
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Posted: 11/13/2009 10:35:39 AM

I note the complete silence from the feminists, the anti racist league type persons,


Well I'd probably consider myself to be in both those categories!
Except that I dislike all religions equally, and this thread is very specifically aimed at only one.
I see nothing logical in the practices of christianity or judaism either, just because they no longer follow the religion to the letter of the law, doesn't make them right, There are plenty of patriarchal, misogynistic passages in the bible too, and violence.
And I don't want to bore people with another rant.
I would just be much happier if I saw 'equal opportunity' religion bashing threads,
and I don't understand the tunnel vision that only seems to focus on 'outside' religions.

Living by the rules of primitive people, 1400, or 2000, or 5000 years ago makes no sense to me, in 2009.
I make no apologies on their behalf.

But picking on just one, does smack of 'tribalism': "We're 'right', You're 'wrong'"
People who live in glass houses.....etc.

When we get rid of ours, we will be in a better position to criticise others. IMO

Until then, it's just one clown, telling another clown he looks silly...
 Desert Star 1
Joined: 9/4/2009
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Posted: 11/13/2009 11:24:01 AM
Well said Jo. You go on a LOOOONG ole rant...I'd like to read what you have to say.
In the end they all worship the same god in the end.

Saddle-Tramp sounds like he is just the type of person I was referring to. Your statements there were very bigoted too.

The arranged marriage practice was very much the norm within the aristocracy and monarchys of many European nations. And they are not the only ones.
Other examples are the Unification Church, the Japanese (10-30% are arranged marriages) and many others. And there are a number of reasons for it, and possibly advantages to it.

You say Islam is bigoted, yet you are just seeing things from the point of a few (relative to the number of Muslims) extremists who twist the Qu'ran, or leave out many passages that do not suit their purpose.

Going back into the history of modern Christianity - that is exactly what happened at the Council of Nicea. The bible was tweaked and edited to suit the various fractions and undesirable parts were left out (and no, I am not going down the Dan Brown Da Vinci Code path with that one).

The early Christian church has committed so many of its own atrocities - and not against people of other religions. Many of their iradication crusades were against other Christians who just happened to believe slightly differently to the main church teachings.
How is that any different?

Those Nazis you were on about probably considered themselves to be good Christians too.

I dont believe in a God, but I dont feel it is anyone's right to laugh at or riducule anyone else's beliefs (not out loud anyway).

The problem with so many people is they only see what the media shows them, and they dont have the inclination or the intelligence to think further and to study the subject outside of the media coverage.

Well, this has gone way off topic really, but I get so angry at narrow minded individuals who fling around opinions that they are given and use words and lables incorrectly. It really grinds my gears!
 saddle-tramp
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Posted: 11/13/2009 12:21:08 PM
^^^^^^^Perhaps you have missed reading where it says I have a copy and have read the qu'ran?

I would like you to point out where my post is bigoted, if not, please remove that as it is libelous....

Also, the subject of this thread is Islam, not Christianity or Judaism....If you want to troll this thread with other religions, it would be more polite to open a new thread with their subjects and I am sure to debate the merits similar to this present day Islams values which where ditched by Christianity a long time ago...

Well my dear, perhaps you'd be happy living with these rules?

Sura (Chapter) 2:223 says:
Your women are your fields, so go into your fields whichever way you like . . . . (MAS Abdel Haleem, The Qur’an, Oxford UP, 2004)

Sura 2:228 says:
. . . Wives have the same rights as the husbands have on them in accordance with the generally known principles. Of course, men are a degree above them in status . . . (Sayyid Abul A’La Maududi, The Meaning of the Qur’an, vol. 1, p. 165)

Sura 4:11 says:
The share of the male shall be twice that of a female . . . . (Maududi, vol. 1, p. 311)

Sura 2:282 says:
And let two men from among you bear witness to all such documents [contracts of loans without interest]. But if two men be not available, there should be one man and two women to bear witness so that if one of the women forgets (anything), the other may remind her. (Maududi, vol. 1, p. 205).

Sura 2:230 says:
And if the husband divorces his wife (for the third time), she shall not remain his lawful wife after this (absolute) divorce, unless she marries another husband and the second husband divorces her. [In that case] there is no harm if they [the first couple] remarry . . . . (Maududi, vol. 1, p. 165)

Sura 4:24 says:
And forbidden to you are wedded wives of other people except those who have fallen in your hands [as prisoners of war] . . . (Maududi, vol. 1, p. 319).

The Quran in Sura 4:3 says:
And if you be apprehensive that you will not be able to do justice to the orphans, you may marry two or three or four women whom you choose. But if you apprehend that you might not be able to do justice to them, then marry only one wife, or marry those who have fallen in your possession. (Maududi, vol. 1, p. 305)

The Quran in Sura 4:129 says:
It is not within your power to be perfectly equitable in your treatment with all your wives, even if you wish to be so; therefore, [in order to satisfy the dictates of Divine Law] do not lean towards one wife so as to leave the other in a state of suspense. (Maududi, vol. 1, p. 381)

The Quran in Sura 4:34 says:
4:34 . . . If you fear highhandedness from your wives, remind them [of the teaching of God], then ignore them when you go to bed, then hit them. If they obey you, you have no right to act against them. God is most high and great. (Haleem, emphasis added)

The Quran in Sura 65:1, 4 says:
65:1 O Prophet, when you [and the believers] divorce women, divorce them for their prescribed waiting—period and count the waiting—period accurately . . . 4 And if you are in doubt about those of your women who have despaired of menstruation, (you should know that) their waiting period is three months, and the same applies to those who have not menstruated as yet. As for pregnant women, their period ends when they have delivered their burden. (Maududi, vol. 5, pp. 599 and 617, emphasis added)

Oh yeah, and slavery still goes on in the Sudan....
 NuDig
Joined: 6/10/2009
Msg: 249
I had a relationship with someone who was a muslim
Posted: 11/13/2009 2:09:55 PM
Isn't Islam a wonderfully peaceful and tolerant religion - NOT!
 As_bad_as_it_ever_was
Joined: 10/10/2009
Msg: 250
I had a relationship with someone who was a muslim
Posted: 11/13/2009 2:14:21 PM
I would like you to point out where my post is bigoted, if not, please remove that as it is libelous....


You can't libel a made up name on the internet. You would have to be publicly named and have something slightly stronger than 'bigot' squared at you for it to hold any water in a court of law.
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