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| | I had a relationship with someone who was a muslimPage 11 of 11 (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11) | You can't libel a made up name on the internet.
To be fair we don't know that it's a made up name do we? It is highly possible that his Dad was actually called Mr Tramp. The first name could have been a choice because they were equestrian fans perhaps? 
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So in that case what reputation could have been damaged exactly? That of an upright upstanding forum poster? | |
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| I had a relationship with someone who was a muslim
Posted: 11/13/2009 2:27:45 PM | To be fair we don't know that it's a made up name do we? It is highly possible that his Dad was actually called Mr Tramp. The first name could have been a choice because they were equestrian fans perhaps?
Equally, he would need to demonstrate that he has a reputation that could be damaged. I'm guessing folk who inhabit message forums in their free time generally fall short of that particular requisite!
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So in that case what reputation could have been damaged exactly? That of an upright upstanding forum poster?
His connections with Royalty, tireless charity work etc etc. | |
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| I had a relationship with someone who was a muslim
Posted: 11/13/2009 5:42:21 PM | There's nothing logical about religion.
Whether its Islam, Christianity, or Judaism
All three stem from the old testament, same prophets, same basic laws.
Here are some quotes from our own religion, from Deuteronomy 20:
1When thou goest out to battle against thine enemies, and seest horses, and chariots, and a people more than thou, be not afraid of them: for the LORD thy God is with thee, which brought thee up out of the land of Egypt.
2And it shall be, when ye are come nigh unto the battle, that the priest shall approach and speak unto the people,
3And shall say unto them, Hear, O Israel, ye approach this day unto battle against your enemies: let not your hearts faint, fear not, and do not tremble, neither be ye terrified because of them;
4For the LORD your God is he that goeth with you, to fight for you against your enemies, to save you.
5And the officers shall speak unto the people, saying, What man is there that hath built a new house, and hath not dedicated it? let him go and return to his house, lest he die in the battle, and another man dedicate it.
6And what man is he that hath planted a vineyard, and hath not yet eaten of it? let him also go and return unto his house, lest he die in the battle, and another man eat of it.
7And what man is there that hath betrothed a wife, and hath not taken her? let him go and return unto his house, lest he die in the battle, and another man take her.
8And the officers shall speak further unto the people, and they shall say, What man is there that is fearful and fainthearted? let him go and return unto his house, lest his brethren's heart faint as well as his heart.
9And it shall be, when the officers have made an end of speaking unto the people that they shall make captains of the armies to lead the people.
10When thou comest nigh unto a city to fight against it, then proclaim peace unto it.
11And it shall be, if it make thee answer of peace, and open unto thee, then it shall be, that all the people that is found therein shall be tributaries unto thee, and they shall serve thee.
12And if it will make no peace with thee, but will make war against thee, then thou shalt besiege it:
13And when the LORD thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword:
14But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself; and thou shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which the LORD thy God hath given thee.
15Thus shalt thou do unto all the cities which are very far off from thee, which are not of the cities of these nations.
16But of the cities of these people, which the LORD thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth:
17But thou shalt utterly destroy them; namely, the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites; as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee:
18That they teach you not to do after all their abominations, which they have done unto their gods; so should ye sin against the LORD your God.
19When thou shalt besiege a city a long time, in making war against it to take it, thou shalt not destroy the trees thereof by forcing an axe against them: for thou mayest eat of them, and thou shalt not cut them down (for the tree of the field is man's life) to employ them in the siege:
20Only the trees which thou knowest that they be not trees for meat, thou shalt destroy and cut them down; and thou shalt build bulwarks against the city that maketh war with thee, until it be subdued.
This is in "our" (Not mine though) religions today. These passages are still in your christian bible.
I have highlighted the worst and most violent bits from the above. I suggest you stop reading the Quran and start reading the bible. It is full of violence. The same "god" tells you to do this.
How are 'we' better?
Christianity is killing thousands of people by spreading AIDS, by forbidding the use of contraceptives in countries in Africa where 25% of the population are infected, The pope would rather they died than commit a 'sin'.
-very civilised ?
How civilised are religions that forbid the people who practise it from ever indulging in sex?
How civilised are religions that have orders of monks and nuns who are not only forbidden from ever having sex, they are forbidden to speak?
All these books and rules come from at least 1400 years ago (Islam)
And approx 5000 years ago (Old Testament)
To pretend that any one of them is saner or more rational is delusional. | |
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| I had a relationship with someone who was a muslim
Posted: 11/13/2009 7:53:11 PM |
I know if one psycho PMT nutter was condemning me to death or prison on her word id really want as many others as possible to have to corroborate her word !
If you consider that there are certain crimes in this country that if a woman commits at a time when she has PMT it is actually accepted as a defence,
Surely then if PMT is an accepted defence for certain crimes then that says they cannot be mentally held responsible for their actions???  Ie they are insane???
Surely by that reasoning all woman with a tendency to potentially violent behaviour when suffering PMT should be locked up in secure hospitals under the mental health act??? reason: protection of the public!! 
Just as a schizophrenic who had regular violent psychotic episodes would be detained.... | |
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| I had a relationship with someone who was a muslim
Posted: 11/13/2009 11:57:27 PM | Desert star...
<div class="quote">Many other religions and cultures (some christian) who make women second class citizens
I do not see much of that happening here, or certainly not on the same scale. We have made considerable progress over recent years...
<div class="quote">but I think it has more to do with him as a person
Absolutely, but don't forget religion is a part of him . It's not as if the person in the OP is an isolated incident from said religion/culture!
<div class="quote">Not all Muslims are like that
Just a high number.
Jo Van...
I have no idea what messages 246 and 253 have gotta do with the question raised in the OP? Anyone would think you're attemtping to hijack the thread by promoting your view that religions do not have logic?! Surely, you would be better off starting a new thread, as the topic of this thread is clearly pointed out in the OP... | |
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| I had a relationship with someone who was a muslim
Posted: 11/14/2009 1:28:07 AM | Ye gotto love the left wing apologists for this racist bigotted wicked religion
You must have an incredibly flaky grasp of what "the left" actually constitutes to make such a bold and incorrect statement such as that. For starters you can count more feminists per square centremetre inhabiting "the left" than any other political persuasion who would argue against the concept of marriage (a traditional right wing value) let alone be in favour of those of the arranged or forced variety.
Furthermore, "the left" is largely the realm of the atheist; those who reject orthadox religious doctrines on the basis that they are constructed to reinforce the notion of hierarchical rule with 'God' being the supreme leader. So you won't find many championing monotheism in its various flavours within the ranks, either.
Equally amusing is when those on "the right" state that Islam isn't compatible with Western societies as we have made 'progress'. Erm, any 'progress' that has been made has been down to "the left" railing against the status quo with strong objections from "the right" so it's hilarious when you see "the right" using what they would traditionally be against as a stick to beat Muslims with. It was "the right" who were the main obstacle against the suffrogates back in the day so for them to now attack Islam on the basis that it treats women as second class citizens has to be the finest paradox in the entire history of hypocrisy.
As much as all religions stick in the craw, the position of many on "the left" is not defending the ideology of Islam, but of Muslims themselves as fellow human beings and their freedom to choose to believe in whatever sky pixie tickles their fancy. Freedom of choice, freedom of speech; "the right" love the latter of those two... when it suits. | |
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| I had a relationship with someone who was a muslim
Posted: 11/14/2009 3:11:05 AM |
Jo Van...
I have no idea what messages 246 and 253 have gotta do with the question raised in the OP? Anyone would think you're attemtping to hijack the thread by promoting your view that religions do not have logic?! Surely, you would be better off starting a new thread, as the topic of this thread is clearly pointed out in the OP...
Well I'm sorry if you can't see the connection.
The point I was trying to make, is that it is not just Islam which has a patriarchal and misogynistic attitude to women, and that all three Abrahamic faiths embrace the notion of 'ownership' of the wife.
For example until 1991, it was not a crime to rape your wife in this country, and there are still (I think) some 14 or 15 States in the USA, where this is not considered a crime.
These are christian laws, and so I was pointing out how focusing purely on Islam seemed a little 'blinkered'
From:
http://www.rjerrard.co.uk/law/articles/rape.htm
On the 23 October 1991 The Law Lords unanimously swept away the 250 - year - notion that women agree to sexual intercourse on marriage and cannot retract that consent. See Regina v R (Rape: Marital Exemption) The Times, 24 October 1991; (1992) Cr.App.R. 216 .
The principle established by Chief Justice Hale in 1736 has finally been laid to rest. The rule can be traced back beyond Hale to St Augustine and possible before him. Sir Matthew Hale in his History of the Pleas of the Crown wrote: "But the husband cannot be guilty of Rape committed by himself upon his lawful wife, for by their mutual matrimonial consent and contract the wife hath given herself up in this kind unto her husband which she cannot retract."
For many years after the publication of Hale's work there appears to have been no substantive challenge until R v Clarke [1949] 2 ALL E.R.448.
Please let me know if you are still struggling to understand these difficult concepts, and I will try to help further.
HTH? | |
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| I had a relationship with someone who was a muslim
Posted: 11/14/2009 5:38:53 AM | What was the topic again?
Ahhhhhh
I had a relationship with someone who was a muslim
Ok, so I did.
For 12 years.
Never lived together.
Him being born and raised in London
- I never met anyone from his family, they were never told about me.
Would I ever do this again?
No way. | |
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| I had a relationship with someone who was a muslim
Posted: 11/14/2009 2:35:28 PM | Post 250 - 252...Insulting is the tactics used by those who have already lost and try to discredit by insulting....Another they use is distraction...
Then...If you can't see the irony of the statement "the left jumping into bed with the right" then you have, well, missed the irony....Islam is VERY right wing...Yeah, and leftie tree hugging homosexual lesbian single parent disabled blah blah ad nauseum supporting Islam...Irony?...Got it now, sinking in? | |
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| I had a relationship with someone who was a muslim
Posted: 11/14/2009 3:04:41 PM | Yeah, and leftie tree hugging homosexual lesbian single parent disabled blah blah ad nauseum supporting Islam...Irony?...Got it now, sinking in?
That your views seem to be entirely constructed of lazy stereotypes and sloppy generalisations? Yep, got it now. | |
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| I had a relationship with someone who was a muslim
Posted: 11/14/2009 3:15:17 PM | Sadly I dont think people realise just how much domestic abuse still goes on, muslim or otherwise....
Lets not look down on Muslims as if everyone else is squeeky clean, when in fact there are plenty of non-Muslims still knocking seven bells out of their partners or ex partners on a regular basis! | |
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| I had a relationship with someone who was a muslim
Posted: 11/14/2009 3:24:06 PM | And it's not just men against women, infact, domestic violence by women against men is higher than ye probably realise....
Spychoticman, really don't get the irony, or is he just playing at ignorance? | |
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