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| Start snitching,’ crime-hit communities urge
Posted: 2/2/2008 3:30:34 PM | I think you are directing your anger at the black community as a whole
Why are you trying to make this something it isn't? The example happens to involve people that are black. That's all there is to it.
You cant expect to provide an educated unbiased discussi0n if your only reference is black crime
Didn't you just say that crime is crime?
Besides, what's the reference got to do with it? Had snoop been latino it wouldn't have been any different.
You are the one trying to make this a racial question. Not OP.
Off topic...but you brought it up...
Lets take a look at these neighborhoods, who created them ?
And who made those neighborhoods what they are? The people living in them.
Poverty DOES NOT mean you have to resort to crime. They are not synonumous. There are lots of poor people that are law abiding. Don't play that card.
Don't make this a racial issue. Stick to the topic. OP used a very good example. I'm sorry you take it personal but that's your own doing.
Had you said the same if snoop had been white? I doubt it.
It's amazing that you can't mention a race without being accused of being a racist. Simply amazing..... | |
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| Start snitching,’ crime-hit communities urge
Posted: 2/2/2008 7:20:21 PM | I was wondering about slow hand ~ when he entered the thread ~ He thew down a race card early ~ while aware of this ~ I considered the topic of the thread and perceived it as in context and relevent if I were a black man. We all come from the perspective of "I". ~
I've no doubt he has many experiences and stories to draw from ~ regarding the thread topic of ~ Snitches and worth a hearing out ~ I' noticed he's been active and I hope to go back and read not just his but all post.
Police are a pain in the butt ~ but very necessary ~ like a biting dog ~ way to often they are bitting someone that don't need to be bitten and ingore the bad guys
But if it wasn't for their presence ~ the bad guys would take over ~ and nobody would be safe. ~
Snitching is dangerious, snitches are necessary ~ the presence of a marked cruiser deters crime. Like the smell of a cat deters rats. ~ or a pig to snakes.
Police work and persenting a presence. ~dar | |
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| Start snitching,’ crime-hit communities urge
Posted: 2/3/2008 11:01:11 AM |
Poverty DOES NOT mean you have to resort to crime. They are not synonumous. There are lots of poor people that are law abiding. Don't play that card.
A shining example of this is our only black Justice on the US Supreme Court, Clarence Thomas; he came from dirt poor poverty. You're very right, neither poverty, nor race, have any bearing upon whether someone resorts to crime. | |
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| Start snitching,’ crime-hit communities urge
Posted: 2/3/2008 9:11:39 PM |
And who made those neighborhoods what they are? The people living in them. Poverty DOES NOT mean you have to resort to crime. They are not synonumous. There are lots of poor people that are law abiding. Don't play that card Amen to that. My neighborhood,....40 years ago,...predominatly "White Middle Class",...with an occasional "White Trailer Park Trash" family, scattered here and there,....but in general,....90 percent White,....the other 10 percent a mix of Blacks, and Hispanic,...and we all got along great,...even tho we all despised the "White Trailer Park Trash" type, due to their dirty un kept yards. My neighborhood 20 years ago,....still predominatly White,...but now a larger number of Blacks,....and still "Middle Class.",.....and we all still got along great,...not without problems,...but we were a neighborhood, a community,..we worked together,..we went to the same schools,..we went to the same Church's. My neighborhood in the past 10 years,.........suddenly,......our community is over run by drug dealers,......prostitutes,....shootings,...home invasions,.....drive bys,......Murders, of entire families,....children,....babies,....shot DEAD ! Our racial make up is now about 70 percent White,.....20 percent Black,.....and about 10 percent Hispanic,........ But the majority of crime,..is being committed by "Blacks,...against other Blacks,..and against the Whites and Hispanics. Our once fine community,..had turned into a war zone,....drug dealers fighting over turf,...over streets,..and corners to peddle their drugs,...and the drug of choice,.. is CRACK."
Suddenly,...people are pulling up their "Roots",..and getting the heck out of Dodge !
All the "Nice Black" members of our community are moving out as fast as they could,
telling us,..that this is EXACTLY the reason they moved into our neighborhood,...to get away from that kind of stuff.
Its sad,...to see people, who you know,..you Love,...and admire,.....leave their home, and move away,....because of a few bad apples.
Our neighborhood today,....is once again starting to blossom,.....due to our local
neighborhood CRIME WATCH GROUPS.
Once,..after I had called the Police,..and was being questioned as to what the problem was,.....a young little black girl, about 5 years old,...rode her bicycle past the Officer and I,..and she looked at me and said,....."SNITCH.".......
Thats,....Sad,......for someone that young,...and not even be old enough to understand, or comprehend the dangers, that even she was surrounded by,.....was already brainwashed into believing that people shouldnt call the Police,..or talk to them,..or your a "Snitch".
I am so glad to see a couple of our posters here, are black,...and can see both sides of this problem,..and can relate,..to the difference between being a "Snitch",...and being a responciable person, adult, and parent.
Yes,....their is a lot of racism,...and a lot of white people that claim to not be racist,
are still racist in their beliefs,...its hard to let go of the past,..and the way people were brought up to believe.
Thank you guys,..and all you other posters, for your thoughts,...your point of views,
and having the abilty,...to express your feelings,..
without resorting to name calling,..pointing the finger, and blaming. | |
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| Start snitching,’ crime-hit communities urge
Posted: 2/3/2008 9:42:03 PM |
It's amazing that you can't mention a race without being accused of being a racist. Simply amazing.....
please show me where I called the man a racist. I simply stated that stop snitching is only being referenced with black crime.
As far as reference to places of living, I was not the one who brought it up. I simply responded to it.
What I am pointing out is that if crime needs to be discussed, simply linking it with a certain group gets us nowhere. | |
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| Start snitching,’ crime-hit communities urge
Posted: 2/4/2008 10:24:06 PM | Comment made by the one who resembles little shrek~~~~
...in other countries THEY JUST SHOOT THE CRIMINALS! Y'know how China got rid of the majority of drug dealers?? THEY TOOK THEM OUT INTO THE STREETS AND SHOT THEM, THEN LEFT THE BODIES TO LIE IN THE GUTTER!! Very effective, that...bet you can't find crackhouses easily in China. And don't even get me started on the Russian police...geez. Texas Bandit,
USSR or China does not allow drugs to inter there country on any level, But honestly I like that idea, but what do we do about the politician and our Government who allows drugs into this country, who first thought off the idea to neutralize a certain group off people. which is the lesser evil or the greater?.......no doubt two wrongs don't make it right.......but the truth is, crack is not looked at as a problem in this country by our Government, if it was, it would be stopped, truth is, it serves a purpose. If our government spent 1/10 of the money that's spent on the war in Iraq every month, the war against drugs would be won in this country, but instead all you see is the cops raiding drug houses, but who raids the ships or the airplanes that bring it into this country,no one, it's almost like there under some kind of peace treaty...........but never the less any drug dealer wether he's a street pharmacist or a king pin from another country deserves to be locked up, wether he's got political connection or not........Did I just snitch?......ooopps
FBI probes purchases of US aircraft by drug lords By Tom Brown
Found this in the headlines today, which proves me wrong, never felt better being wrong on an issue before," KEEP up the good work" no drugs mean safer neighborhood's and to heal this country of a self inflicted disease.
Mon Feb 4, 7:37 PM ET
MIAMI (Reuters) - A Venezuelan man has been charged with laundering drug profits to buy U.S. aircraft to smuggle cocaine, according to U.S. court documents, as the FBI broadens a probe into South American cocaine kings.
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The man, Pedro Jose Benavides-Natera, goes on trial in Miami next month and more arrests may be forthcoming, thanks to a confidential informant who shed light on the drug-money-for-aircraft laundering scheme, the documents show.
The documents were filed in U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Florida in October.
In them, FBI agent Michael Hoenigman says the informant was "personally involved with a confederation of individuals" whose job was to scout out U.S. aircraft desired by Venezuela-based drug traffickers and help broker transactions to buy them to ferry cocaine shipments around the globe.
Last year's arrest of Benavides was part of a more sweeping investigation of money laundering schemes aimed at uncovering the purchase of aircraft in the United States by South American traffickers, the court documents show.
Steve Robertson, a spokesman at the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration in Washington, described the schemes as "very imaginative" since they involved the purchase of a tangible asset for multiple possible uses.
"In addition to the product, in this case an airplane that has a high resale value, it's something they can use for their smuggling," he said.
According to the indictment, Benavides opened an account at what it identified as the Commerce Bank in Miami in December 2000 that was subsequently used to launder drug profits and broker deals for the purchase of a U.S.-registered twin-engine King Air E90 in September 2006.
The plane was bought from a Miami company and sent to Venezuela using money that Benavides allegedly funneled from Venezuela-based traffickers through a Mexican money exchange into his Miami account.
An attorney for Benavides could not be reached for comment. But while he entered a not guilty plea earlier this month, the indictment says he confessed to handling "money transfers" for unidentified drug trafficking organizations to purchase aircraft used to transport drugs.
The traffickers Benavides is alleged to have worked for also sought to buy a twin-engine Cessna Conquest II using drug profits laundered through Benavides' Miami bank account, the indictment says.
The Conquest II is the aircraft of choice among traffickers transporting cocaine from Venezuela for the long haul . | |
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| Start snitching,’ crime-hit communities urge
Posted: 2/5/2008 10:27:45 AM | Comment made by the one who resembles little shrek ~~~~
...in other countries THEY JUST SHOOT THE CRIMINALS! Y'know how China got rid of the majority of drug dealers?? THEY TOOK THEM OUT INTO THE STREETS AND SHOT THEM, THEN LEFT THE BODIES TO LIE IN THE GUTTER!! Very effective, that...bet you can't find crackhouses easily in China. And don't even get me started on the Russian police...geez.
Texas Bandit,
USSR or China does not allow drugs to inter there country on any level, But honestly I like that idea, but what do we do about the politician and our Government who allows drugs into this country, who first thought off the idea to neutralize a certain group off people. which is the lesser evil or the greater?.......no doubt two wrongs don't make it right.......but the truth is, crack is not looked at as a problem in this country by our Government, if it was, it would be stopped, truth is, it serves a purpose. If our government spent 1/10 of the money that's spent on the war in Iraq every month, the war against drugs would be won in this country, but instead all you see is the cops raiding drug houses, but who raids the ships or the airplanes that bring it into this country,no one, it's almost like there under some kind of peace treaty...........but never the less any drug dealer wether he's a street pharmacist or a king pin from another country deserves to be locked up, wether he's got political connection or not........Did I just snitch?......ooopps
Little shrek, you can't compare a country to another who clearly has better values when it comes to protecting there people against the war on drugs DEA Snake Oil~~~~Don’t ever suggest that federal bureaucrats are not smart. Take, for instance, the DEA, the federal agency that has the responsibility of waging the war on drugs, a war that has obviously failed to achieve its objective after 30 years of warfare, not to mention all the collateral violence that the drug war has spawned.
Amidst growing discussion and debate in the mainstream media on the libertarian idea of ending the war on drugs by legalizing drugs, guess what the DEA is using as a way to distract people’s attention away from that solution.
Yes, you guessed it! The DEA is employing the magic word, the word that gets everyone’s knees a-knockin’ — the word that causes them to pull the duct tape out and start sealing their windows — the word that induces them to beg the government to “temporarily” take away their freedoms.
Yes, the DEA is saying that the drug war is necessary because of ... (drum roll) ... terrorism!
Much like the snake-oil salesmen of old, the DEA is touring the country with a traveling exhibit in which a post–9/11 President Bush waving a flag is juxtaposed with an African-American woman lying in bed next to her baby as she smokes crack cocaine. There are also photos of the noted terrorist Osama bin Laden on the walls of the exhibit alongside noted drug dealer Pablo Escobar.
The irony of all this is that to the extent that there are terrorists financing the operations through drug sales, it’s a direct result of the exorbitant profits that the drug war produces, which would disintegrate with legalization. Thus, what the DEA officials fail to realize (or not) is that it is their own war that provides the monies to finance the terrorists. It’s just another perverse result of another perverse federal program.
According to the Washington Post, the exhibit claims that heroin sales supported the Taliban, while conveniently omitting not only that the Taliban regime opposed heroin production but also that heroin production has soared in the wake of the U.S. government’s invasion of Afghanistan to fight terrorism.
Of course, the sad part about this is that many Americans will walk through the exhibit and never figure any of this out. They’ll see the photos of 9/11, Osama, Escobar, and drug deals and quickly draw the conclusion that the DEA wants them to reach: “Drugs and terrorism go together. Please keep going with the 30-year war on drugs and the perpetual war on terrorism to protect us from both the drug dealers and the terrorists.” It will never occur to some people that it is the U.S. government’s own policies — the drug war and an interventionist foreign policy — that have engendered both the drug lords and the terrorist blowback against the United States.
As people fall for the obviously deceptive propaganda, the DEA bureaucrats will cheer because they’ll get to keep their budgets, jobs, and salaries as the drug war continues. The drug lords will cheer as well, for the same reason. | |
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| Start snitching,’ crime-hit communities urge
Posted: 2/5/2008 11:27:25 AM | As people fall for the obviously deceptive propaganda, the DEA bureaucrats will cheer because they’ll get to keep their budgets, jobs, and salaries as the drug war continues. The drug lords will cheer as well, for the same reason, and for some reason Little shrek I can see you in the mist of them along with those ears cheering as well Personally little shrek I'm a Strong believer in getting the proper information out to the public, and if it's considered snitching, then OH well, snitching is good , snitching is healthy, snitching gets rid of the one who promotes propaganda, snitching results in change, snitching is good for the general welfare of the public, snitching will ultimately end government funded jobs, if and win the war on drugs is won, also will bankrupt the drug dealer, will also result in better schools and better neighborhoods, getting rid of the rock that killed two birds with one stone, meaning the people under it's mind controlling effects and the DEA bureaucrats couldn't be a wiser thing to do for the country in the best interest of every one,without people to take a stand on what's right things will never get better, there should be a website developed just for snitching about all things,~~~~Bottom line little shriek, the only recipe that's needed for wicked people to be successful in there wicked ways, is for good people to stand by and do nothing, ~~~ and I might add with all the money you made from the movie, you could start a C'mon let's snitch campaign ~~~LITTLE SHREK no doubt that would be a service to humanity on your part which would never be forgotten....... | |
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| Start snitching,’ crime-hit communities urge
Posted: 2/6/2008 11:17:17 AM | Apparently, there are few people here who believe that actually taking social responsibility is a good thing. They support the whole idea of keeping silent, and keeping their "heros" on their pedestals.
Blame game can be played all you want..."poverty", "lack of funding", "feelings of hopelessness", "peer pressure"...whatever one turns your crank.
None of it addresses the real problem of actually helping the police arrest the criminals. It does not address the idea of "celebrities" condoning the idea of not snitching.
People have to take responsibility for their actions...and inaction. When children are gunned down on the street in broad daylight, and nobody says a word as to who did it....there is a problem.
It does not only affect the black community. This kind of thing affects all people...it crosses all racial lines. I'm aware of white people being gunned down in the middle of the street during lunch hour...plenty of people on the street...they saw what happened...and said nothing. Guys watched while another guy raped and murdered a woman...and they said nothing...did nothing.
Good Samaritan laws in some places are on the books...but very hard to enforce.
Legislating people into actually doing what they, in all good concious, should be doing does little to help.
When did we lose the ability to tell right from wrong, and refused to even acknowledge it?
When did we start raising our kids to in this manner?
I saw a piece on people stealing cable....cable company offered free pizzas if you called in...a lot of people did...they compared those calling in to their customer list. Only people with cable could get that message...so, those who called in (mostly kids and wives who didn't know the cable was stolen) got nailed. Good idea...a few free pizzas to collect thousands in back payments for cable.
Lots of people pulling "little scams" out there...thining they have the "right" to do so.
They hate it when they get called out on them...or you refuse to help them.
Ah well....guess the day may come when they answer for it...I won't be holding my breath though. | |
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| Start snitching, crime-hit communities urge
Posted: 2/6/2008 12:02:39 PM | | In some areas people are afraid to call the cops for anything. When you live in the inner-city and you call the cops. That makes the local drug dealers very nervious about you. They have dirty cops on the take within the police departments Spies and the dealers will go to them to find out why the cops were at your house. Some drug dealers, too have family members who are cops. They can find out through family word of mouth, too, why the cops were at your house. So, this issue is nowhere near as cut & dried as some of the people in here think. My uncle used to be the Chief of Police in a Large American City and I had other members of my family who committed crimes as well. Through cousins, aunts, uncles etc.. People could find out anything. There's a line of underground communication that goes on. Now, on-line snitching can be a very powerful tool that perhaps cops should use. The worst thing a cop can do is to show up at someone's house in cop car & uniform. In the inner city, perhaps cops should show up in plain clothes, that would make a very powerful, positive difference as well (in unmarked car also). I understand the need to snitch and how it helps the community, but cops need to be smarter about how to approach witnesses. The situation with everyone in the bathroom, just get everyones name and address; get their licenses and plate numbers and instead of questioning them in front of everybody, contact them privately. | |
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| Start snitching, crime-hit communities urge
Posted: 2/6/2008 12:55:29 PM | Javan2
I agree with everything you say. It's not cut and dry and I think what could help is if everyone in a plauged neighboorhood got together and supported each other to form a united front things might just be easier to deal with.
I think that basically laws need to be changed so more latitude is allowed when making arrests.
I know that civil rights are important but when known drug dealers are allowed to make life difficult for hard working people, there is something wrong.
Personally I think it's time to amend laws so that it becomes illegal to belong to a gang with a history ofviolence. I don't think thugs civil rights are more important than the possibility of those very people ruining a lot of other people's lifes.
Police do need to use more discretion, that's for sure. Vitnesses should be allowed to hide their identity and not have to testify in open court. It is already done in some cases, the practice should be used more often.
Another thing that needs to be addressed is some kind of "snitch victim" fund. With that I mean that if you call the police on someone and later on you find your tires slashed or car window broken, you should be able to, with the report in hand be able to get compensated for the damage even though there is no way of prooving who did it. If a person know that possible damage done to his property will be covered, he might just report more incidences (I'm talking small disturbances like people keeping other people awake at night by some mean). | |
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| Start snitching, crime-hit communities urge
Posted: 2/7/2008 7:38:36 AM | Some good points made here. It isn't easy trying to do the right thing at times.
I got thinking last night about some people who did report on "criminals" at the time. Some good has come out of it...some...well...not so good. I am sure a lot of people are familiar with the story of the Biblical snitch, Judas, who reported on his friend for 30 pieces of silver. This act not only cost Jesus his life, but drove Judas himself into committing suicide. Remember...to the State, Jesus was a criminal who was wanted (que up theme music from COPS!) and was found hanging out in a park or garden. Captured, tried and convicted, he managed to get himself crucified. In todays world, that would seem a tad barbaric. Take a look at some of the kids hooked on drugs...and see if you really want to keep the people who sell them this crap on the streets. Hmmm....
Anyhow's....the whole idea was the concern about high profile people advocating the "no snitching" idea. Little said about that. Perhaps there should be a bit more? | |
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| Start snitching, crime-hit communities urge
Posted: 2/7/2008 7:47:01 AM | | i think the simple facts get lost on these type of sites, instead we all make excuess and play the blame game, in my opinion its simple, if the people that life in those neighborhoods are not going to take them back as a whole , then theres not much the cops can do. i find it funny how its always a outside force that is the problem, its there own people that turn these places into hell holes | |
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| Start snitching, crime-hit communities urge
Posted: 2/7/2008 8:51:53 AM |
the whole idea was the concern about high profile people advocating the "no snitching" idea. Little said about that. Perhaps there should be a bit more?
Well I said my piece in msg 47, and I stick to my story.
Unfortunately we live in a world where a lot of people complain about this and that but when they get a chance to send a message they won't do it because it's in their own interest to not do it.
In this case I can hear people say "Yeah, it's not right but I like his music so I will continue to listen." | |
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| Start snitching, crime-hit communities urge
Posted: 2/7/2008 2:50:01 PM | Unfortunately we live in a world where a lot of people complain about this and that but when they get a chance to send a message they won't do it because it's in their own interest to not do it.
True on the other hand there are some places where I would fear for my life waiting to be shot down in reprisal's for snitching I live in the suburbs I can understand someone having a diffrent view who lives in a crime ridden drug infested area. | |
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| Start snitching,’ crime-hit communities urge
Posted: 2/7/2008 4:00:56 PM | Standing tall and identifying criminals should be considered an act of honor and bravery, but there are other issues as well.
Once bad guys, gangs, and their supporters are identified smother them in attention from law enforcement. Constantly cite them for minor infractions like vehicle code violations and loud noise or barking dogs until they leave town. Give them no peace.
Do away with draconian gun laws. Leaders of cities with the highest crime always seem to overlook the fact that they have the most restrictive gun laws. In placing such restrictions on a free people you only disarm the good guys and create dependence on others for protection. Let the good guys kill the robber. Liberal gun laws combined with Castle Doctrine laws is very effective.
There's too much of the "inmates running the asylum", and too many judges, city councils, and lawmakers failing to tell the bad guys and their supporters to STFU and behave like civilized humans or face the penalties.
If I see a murder, you can damned well bet I'm going to stand up and point my finger at the guy who took another's life. I also have a CCW and can make "punishing" me for my stance very costly indeed. Free people do not cower. | |
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