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 mpaul7172

Joined: 11/30/2007
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International duplicity: Israel / Egypt, the wall
Posted: 1/28/2008 4:06:02 PM
Consider, for example, the following Reuters news, out today. To put that story in perspective:
* the Israelites supply the Gazans with water and electricity, the Egyptians don't
* but, the Palestinian govt wants Israel's destruction, but not Egypt's
***so, the logical conclusion is that Israel has good reason for a fence, from a logical survival standpoint, whereas the Egyptians not so much.
So, who do the Jordanians in the news clip below want to sic suicide bombers on, because of a blockade?
Of course.......Israel.
And the media, like lapdogs, won't even see the irony.

Meanwhile, the USA supports Israel, even though it is against the geo-political financial interest of the USA. Why? Because it is the RIGHT thing to do.
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AMMAN (Reuters) - Chanting slogans urging Islamist Hamas militants to resume suicide bombings against Israel, thousands of Jordanians marched in the capital on Friday to protest against Israel's blockade of Gaza.
About 8,000 activists from Jordan's mainstream Muslim Brotherhood took to the streets to support their ideological allies, the Palestinian Hamas group, and hail militants' success in breaching the Gaza border in defiance of an Israeli blockade.

"The people of Jordan are with Hamas," chanted the crowds who called on the Islamist group to resume a campaign of suicide bombings and intensify rocket attacks against Israel.

""Oh Hamas hit them with al-Qassam rockets ... bring the suicide bombers to Tel Aviv ," they chanted, waving the green flags of Jordan's opposition Muslim Brotherhood....
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 whiskeypapa

Joined: 6/7/2007
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International duplicity: Israel / Egypt, the wall
Posted: 1/28/2008 5:57:22 PM
Paul, Some Jordanians have given moral support to the Gazans. does this mitigate Israels crimes against humanity?
 rsx11s

Joined: 3/28/2007
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Posted: 1/28/2008 7:15:48 PM
This may come as a complete shock but not all Palastinians hate Jews and want Israel gone, nor do all Jews hate all Palastinians and want all Palastinian land annexed.

In fact there appear to be more people critical of Israel in Israel than in the US.

Whackjobs on both sides certainly exist, but they are nothing more than the sick twisted vocal extermeist minority. These exist in every country actually.
 Seavoyage

Joined: 1/18/2007
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Posted: 1/29/2008 1:41:46 AM
Mpaul, you don't seem to get it. You think the Egyptians have complete freedom; they do not. They signed a peace agreement with Israel; Israel expects Egypt to make sure the border is secure and part of that included putting up barriers. So your saying that Egypt has no reason ignores that Israel is the reason they have the wall as part of security understandings between the two countries. Egypt cannot simply ignore what Israel wants no matter how they feel about the situation in Gaza. What's so difficult to understand about that. By the way, the Israelis are not called Israelites. The Israelites existed centuries ago. We're talking about Jews who became known as Israelis. The US does not support Israel simply, because it is the right thing to do.
It is far more complicated than that. 16% of the electorate in the U.S. are strong die-hard Evangelicals, and they support Israel no matter what happens to the Palestinians.
New York and Florida are important swing states with large Jewish populations with about 20% of New Yorkers being Jewish and 10% of Floridans being Jewish, so that can't be ignored and there are the PACs. It is kind of like how the Cuban minority in Florida influences the government in Washington to have an embargo of Cuba, though most Americans disagree with it. Politics is not that simple either in the U.S., Israel, or in Egypt. The US supports Saudi Arabia because of oil interests. There are always domestic considerations to look at.
 mpaul7172

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Posted: 1/29/2008 10:57:45 AM
Sea: you make some good points. But as far as the supposed treaty, with the provision you mention (I have heard nothing of it before this) - Egypt would still be complicit in such a peculiar arrangement.

Your percentages of the electorate seem to be right on target.

But still, it is against US geo-political interest to support Israel, the US does it because of the perception that it is simply the right thing to do.

As far as the alleged treaty provision that Egypt for some God-only-knows-reason that FORCES them to hem in the Gazans, I'll have to snoop around, or maybe someone can educate me on it.

Whiskey and rsx: well, in the words of the Great Philosopher, Rodney King: "Can't we all just get along?"
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