| How the Liberals plan to beat Bush in '08
Posted: 1/25/2008 11:25:40 PM | (Could this thread be subtitled "do the conservatives even know whose running in '80?")
Bill Clinton is an interesting person. Some politicians are good at governing, some are good at campaigning. He's one of the rare ones that's good at both.
But, when it comes to people skills... OMG.
HS Thompson said "Nixon brought the best people into the White House. Clinton drove all but the worst out". | |
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| How the Liberals plan to beat Bush in '08
Posted: 1/26/2008 9:16:44 AM | Clinton was good campaigner and a good president and as much as I always liked HST, he was no fan of Nixon who gave us Agnew, John Mitchell, Halderman, Colson, Liddy, Cheney, Rummy, etc.
After Nixon died he wrote,
"If the right people had been in charge of Nixon's funeral, his casket would have been launched into one of those open-sewage canals that empty into the ocean just south of Los Angeles. He was a swine of a man and a jabbering dupe of a president. Nixon was so crooked that he needed servants to help him screw his pants on every morning."
Maybe the funniest writer of all time.
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| How the Liberals plan to beat Bush in '08
Posted: 1/26/2008 9:20:43 AM | bush beat himself by his own performance.
normally, mcCain would have a better chance to be elected, if he didn't have 8 years of bush before him... | |
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| How the Liberals plan to beat Bush in '08
Posted: 1/26/2008 9:38:07 AM | From what I'm seeing, most seem to think it's a good idea to spend the money defeating Bush  rather than spending the money identifying exactly what changes they will make. Apparently their sticking with the campaign slogan of '06, simply "We're not George Bush".
I predict a Republican landslide no matter who the candidate is..... | |
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| How the Liberals plan to beat Bush in '08
Posted: 1/26/2008 11:03:57 AM |
This is something my daughter found somewhere, you gotta love that the kids are smarter than the last generation. My name is Tina, I remember when the terrorists came to this country and killed so many people back in September, I cried when my father died and I cried when my brother went to war against these people who thought it was okay to just keep killing americans. I cried when my brother was killed and I was left with nothing to help take care of my mother. Now I am alone in this country after my mother took her own life because she couldn't stand being without my father and I Cry wondering how Americans could come to my country and steal everything we have and take my family from me. September 2004 was the worse year of my life. I finally have no future thanks to the terrorists of america. I am Iraqi and we did nothing to cause this
Yes, and my Nigerian friend has a great deal of money stuck in a Nigerian bank and he'd like your help to retrieve it... | |
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| How the Liberals plan to beat Bush in '08
Posted: 1/26/2008 11:24:16 AM | | The democrats would be handed the election on a silver platter but they are running a much hated woman and a rather inexperienced black man with a muslim name. I would not bet the ranch. I think the only way they win is if a somewhat strong independent jumps in the race. I predict one or more will. There is a real opportunity here for a 3rd party. | |
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| Doomed love at the taco stand.
Posted: 1/26/2008 12:33:35 PM | It is indeed hard to beat HST's insight:
"Every GOP administration since 1952 has let the Military-Industrial Complex loot the Treasury and plunge the nation into debt on the excuse of a wartime economic emergency. Richard Nixon comes quickly to mind, along with Ronald Reagan and his ridiculous 'trickle-down' theory of U.S. economic policy. If the Rich get Richer, the theory goes, before long their pots will overflow and somehow 'trickle down' to the poor, who would rather eat scraps off the Bush family plates than eat nothing at all. Republicans have never approved of democracy, and they never will. It goes back to preindustrial America, when only white male property owners could vote."
"He could shake your hand and stab you in the back at the same time." –on Richard Nixon
"Jesus! How much more of this cheap-jack bullshit can we be expected to take from that stupid little gunsel? Who gives a fuck if he's lonely and depressed down there in San Clemente? If there were any such thing as true justice in this world, his rancid carcass would be somewhere down around Easter Island right now, in the belly of a hammerhead shark. " –on Richard Nixon's life after resignation
"Richard Nixon has never been one of my favorite people anyway. For years I've regarded his existence as a monument to all the rancid genes and broken chromosones that corrupt the possibilities of the American Dream; he was a foul caricature of himself, a man with no soul, no inner convictions, with the integrity of a hyena and the style of a poison toad. The Nixon I remembered was absolutely humorless; I couldn't imagine him laughing at anything except maybe a paraplegic who wanted to vote Democratic but couldn't quite reach the lever on the voting machine."
"Bill Clinton does not inhale marijuana, right? You bet. Like I chew on LSD but I don't swallow it.'"
"Did you see Bush on TV, trying to debate? Jesus, he talked like a donkey with no brains at all...It was pitiful...I almost felt sorry for him, until I heard someone call him 'Mr. President,' and then I felt ashamed." -on Bush's 2004 debate performance
"In four short years he has turned our country from a prosperous nation at peace into a desperately indebted nation at war. But so what? He is the President of the United States, and you're not. Love it or leave it." –on George W. Bush
"Richard Nixon looks like a flaming liberal today, compared to a golem like George Bush. Indeed. Where is Richard Nixon now that we finally need him?"
"Nixon was a professional politician, and I despised everything he stood for -- but if he were running for president this year against the evil Bush-Cheney gang, I would happily vote for him."
"Bush is a natural-born loser with a filthy-rich daddy who pimped his son out to rich oil-mongers. He hates music, football and sex, in no particular order, and he is no fun at all."
"I voted for Ralph Nader in 2000, but I will not make that mistake again. The joke is over for Nader. He was funny once, but now he belongs to the dead."
"There was one exact moment, in fact, when I knew for sure that Al Gore would Never be President of the United States, no matter what the experts were saying -- and that was when the whole Bush family suddenly appeared on TV and openly scoffed at the idea of Gore winning Florida. It was Nonsense, said the Candidate, Utter nonsense. . .Anybody who believed Bush had lost Florida was a Fool. The Media, all of them, were Liars & Dunces or treacherous whores trying to sabotage his victory. . . Here was the whole bloody Family laughing & hooting & sneering at the dumbness of the whole world on National TV. The old man was the real tip-off. The leer on his face was almost frightening. It was like looking into the eyes of a tall hyena with a living sheep in its mouth. The sheep's fate was sealed, and so was Al Gore's."
"[T]his blizzard of mind-warping war propaganda out of Washington is building up steam. Monday is Anthrax, Tuesday is Bankruptcy, Friday is Child-Rape, Thursday is Bomb-scares, etc., etc., etc.... If we believed all the brutal, frat-boy threats coming out of the White House, we would be dead before Sunday. It is pure and savage terrorism reminiscent of Nazi Germany."
"We are turning into a nation of whimpering slaves to Fear -- fear of war, fear of poverty, fear of random terrorism, fear of getting down-sized or fired because of the plunging economy, fear of getting evicted for bad debts, or suddenly getting locked up in a military detention camp on vague charges of being a Terrorist sympathizer."
"If we get chased out of Iraq with our tail between our legs, that will be the fifth consecutive Third-world country with no hint of a Navy or an Air Force to have whipped us in the past 40 years."
"He knew who I was, at that time, because I had a reputation as a writer. I knew he was part of the Bush dynasty. But he was nothing, he offered nothing, and he promised nothing. He had no humor. He was insignificant in every way and consequently I didn't pay much attention to him. But when he passed out in my bathtub, then I noticed him. I'd been in another room, talking to the bright people. I had to have him taken away." -on meeting George W Bush at Thompson's Super Bowl party in Houston in 1974
"All we have to do is get out and vote, while it's still legal, and we will wash those crooked warmongers out of the White House."
"I have a theory that the truth is never told during the nine-to-five hours."
This one really bears repeating:
"Every GOP administration since 1952 has let the Military-Industrial Complex loot the Treasury and plunge the nation into debt on the excuse of a wartime economic emergency. Richard Nixon comes quickly to mind, along with Ronald Reagan and his ridiculous 'trickle-down' theory of U.S. economic policy. If the Rich get Richer, the theory goes, before long their pots will overflow and somehow 'trickle down' to the poor, who would rather eat scraps off the Bush family plates than eat nothing at all. Republicans have never approved of democracy, and they never will. It goes back to preindustrial America, when only white male property owners could vote."
Hunter is alleged to have comitted suicide while working on a story about a male prostitution ring being run out of the White House. The night before he'd told one of his closest frends "and it'll look like suicide too, I know how these guys work". The last person to talk to him was his wife; the phone call ended suddenly in the middle for no apparant reason. They were discussing a column they were going to write together when she got home from the grocery store; but when she got home he was dead.
Godspeed Hunter, you savage twisted bastard. | |
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| Doomed love at the taco stand.
Posted: 1/26/2008 5:03:08 PM | It is a waste of money. Bush et al have done a fine job trashing the USA, the middle east, and the Republican's chances of getting the white house this time around.
I do not think Americans need to be reminded about the job he has done. His record speaks for itself. | |
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| How the Liberals plan to beat Bush in '08
Posted: 1/26/2008 5:16:06 PM | "What veil? There are liberals in both parties, and I didn't presume to identify this particular group of liberals with either party (although I have made my own assumption given their endorsements). "
Pathetic! If you're going to make a statement, at least be out front about it. To just imply something, or dance all around without actually SAYING what you're saying is gutless.
This post is a textbook example of someone who has the makings of a real politician;
"Say anything but, for God's sake, don't actually take a stand on anything!!"
rsx11s/ Msg 40:
Thanks for all the great Thompson observations! There was a guy who knew what was going on! | |
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| How the Liberals plan to beat Bush in '08
Posted: 1/26/2008 6:13:40 PM | | Actually, I think it's funny that the libs would want to do this. i think congress should spend the money that they are trying to kep bush's approval rating down and spend it on trying to improve congresses approval rating. The reason is , is that congresses approval rating is worse than Bush's | |
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| How the Liberals plan to beat Bush in '08
Posted: 1/26/2008 6:14:10 PM | | Actually, I think it's funny that the libs would want to do this. i think congress should spend the money that they are trying to kep bush's approval rating down and spend it on trying to improve congresses approval rating. The reason is , is that congresses approval rating is worse than Bush's | |
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| How the Liberals plan to beat Bush in '08
Posted: 1/27/2008 9:45:44 AM | What I find most humorous is the fact that 99% of the anti-Republican sentiment is from Canadians, not Americans.... could it be jealousy?
Americans as a whole are sick and tired of politics as usual, we long for a candidate that has absolutely no ties to Washington OR big business, but until real campaign finance reform is initiated, we're destined to have to pick from the "next in line" candidates hand picked by the DNC and the RNC...
I have a friend who is a Democrat and when I asked her about the current candidates this morning, (after the SC foray between Billary and Obama), she told me that like 2004, she was going to vote for the Independent Candidate as a protest for the lack of direction of the Democratic Party. She said the "We're not Republicans" was good enough for her to vote Democratic in '06, but the lack of anything remotely resembling campaign promises was going to cause her to register another "protest" vote this fall. She said she did not agree with anything Bush has done, but wrong direction is at least a direction and from what she's seen, the Democrats didn't have one beyond election day in 06, and don't seem to have one beyond election day '08 either.
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| How the Liberals plan to beat Bush in '08
Posted: 1/27/2008 10:02:37 AM |
What I find most humorous is the fact that 99% of the anti-Republican sentiment is from Canadians, not Americans.... could it be jealousy?
It isn't anti-Republican sentiment, it is anti-Bush sentiment, and the majority of your countrymen have it as well.
Bush is no more a Republican than I am, he just chose the party out of convenience. He has the same concern for the welfare of the Republican party as he does for the country, none. | |
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| How the Liberals plan to beat Bush in '08
Posted: 1/27/2008 10:15:01 AM |
What I find most humorous is the fact that 99% of the anti-Republican sentiment is from Canadians, not Americans.... could it be jealousy?
Not really... 
As msquared said, it's directed at the administration - not the country or party. The current state to the USA is about the best proof I can cite as to the validity of that concern.
There's also a couple of other factors that probably come into play. '
Canadians are more to the "left" as a group, and have a concentration on collective rights over that of the individual. Seeing a small group of aristocrats plundering the wealth of the nation is going to raise a lot of red flags.
Secondly, most of us grew up with a strong admiration for your country and the things it stood for. What we see now is almost the polar opposite of what you once showed us to be valuable. | |
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| How the Liberals plan to beat Bush in '08
Posted: 1/27/2008 10:15:47 AM | It isn't anti-Republican sentiment, it is anti-Bush sentiment, and the majority of your countrymen have it as well. Ummmm no they don't... but by all means keep telling us what we think.
Bush is no more a Republican than I am, he just chose the party out of convenience. He has the same concern for the welfare of the Republican party as he does for the country, none. Actually Bush is 100% Republican, he's just not a conservative.
I could be wrong, I didn't accurately predict the '06 results, but after taking office and doing absolutely nothing that was anti-Bush besides yap on CNN in one direction and then vote another, I think the rest of the country see's all politicians including the Democrats in the same light...
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| How the Liberals plan to beat Bush in '08
Posted: 1/27/2008 10:21:18 AM | | I don't really care what his approval rating is - I care about the state of the economy (in the toilet), the fact that we don't have universal healthcare, the fact that we are still fighting an unjust war, and thousands of Americans are dying unnecessarily. I want our great nation to be able to take care of its people here the way we are known to do. That wasn't just for the olden days, it stands for NOW! | |
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| How the Liberals plan to beat Bush in '08
Posted: 1/27/2008 10:27:29 AM |
Ummmm no they don't... but by all means keep telling us what we think.
Does this mean you haven't turned on your television or left your home for the past several years?
Actually Bush is 100% Republican, he's just not a conservative.
He is neither. He only looks out for the interests of himself and his colleagues. | |
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| How the Liberals plan to beat Bush in '08
Posted: 1/27/2008 10:31:18 AM |
It isn't anti-Republican sentiment, it is anti-Bush sentiment, and the majority of your countrymen have it as well.
Ummmm no they don't... but by all means keep telling us what we think.
Really?
http://www.germane-software.com/~ser/BushMeter/
http://www.pollingreport.com/BushJob.htm
In almost every poll, the American public constantly rates their disapproval of President Bush and the job he's done by a margin of two to one against. His popularity is currently in the low 30 's , percentage wise.
So please enlighten all of us foreigners as to how Americans "really think", since obviously these numbers (and reality) aren't sufficient proof for you as to what we are saying.
Gallup conducted 123 popularity polls on Bill Clinton from 1992 to 2006, and the numbers were positive for the most part, with only 11 polls resulting in a net negative rating.
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/565763/the_bill_clinton_effect.html
So this cigar tottin' Great Satan , even at after an eight year all out PR assault that charged him with everything from rape to murder still managed to be more popular than the current President through all of his time in office.
Interesting, isn't it ?
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| How the Liberals plan to beat Bush in '08
Posted: 1/27/2008 10:49:45 AM | I think it is a great idea. America's image of the Reagan, one of the worst presidents in history, is skewed by a surge in his ratings at the end of his presidency. There are people out there right now, believe it or not, that argue that Junior is the best ever. They have free publicity on Fixed Noise to reguurgetate their lies. A campaign may be necessary to keep anyone from being lied to.
Regardless, the election can only be stolen at this point. No way the Dems lose this fall, unless Diebold can change things.
I was actually freaked out by seeing a Dibold van the other day! I didn't know they were here in Phoenix! I hope they aren't part of our election. Arizona is going Blue this year, unless. . . . | |
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| How the Liberals plan to beat Bush in '08
Posted: 1/27/2008 11:21:26 AM | the libs don't need to do anything out of the ordinary, like with the swift boat people in 04 election.
All they have to do is remind people of:
Katerina
Secret meetings with oil companies
Cover up with the naughty boy hunting representative and gay senators
Mission Accoplished
Going to war without no or little body armor for the troops
shrub had more vacation time then any president
illegal and warrantless wire taps
"god told me to invade iraq" comment
Insulting the queen of england
Pre-Iraq intelligence
Weapons of Mass Disappearance
Abu Ghraib torture and prisoner abuse
Bush administration payment of columnists
Lincoln Group
white House Iraq Group
swift Vets and POWs for Truth
Commutation of Libby's sentence thereby allegedly obstructing an investigation into the possible manipulation of information in support of the invasion of Iraq
Plame affair
Dismissal of U.S. attorneys controversy
Executive Order 13233
State Secrets Privilege
Free speech zones
EPA 9/11 pollution controversy
Misrepresentation of cause of death of Pat Tillman
Bush White House e-mail controversy (Use of Republican National Committee servers and private mail systems for Government business)
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| How the Liberals plan to beat Bush in '08
Posted: 1/27/2008 11:34:18 AM | I find it amusing that so many on the other side of the aisle (and the other side of our northern border) desire to tie Bush around our necks as though we have this great love affair with the guy as Dems did with Clinton. How easily history is brushed aside...
Bush became the Republican nominee in 2000 for the same reason that Romney will be the nominee this year: the drive-by media wanted to select our nominee for us (McCain then, McCain now) - and we fought back. But Bush never was a conservative. He campaigned as a "compassionate conservative", implying of course that the rest of us mainstream conservatives were/are less than compassionate. (FU2, George...) As many red flags were raised about GWB and some of his viewpoints, we held our noses and voted him in, relying on a Republican Congress to keep his reckless "compassion" in check. In the initial wake of 9/11, it looked to many of us like we'd made a better choice than we'd thought, but it didn't last. Then with Capitol Hill changing hands at the end of '06, the specter of "Comprehensive Immigration Reform" (spearheaded by the wrongheaded Senator McCain) was re-raised by a more sympathetic Congress, causing the American public to nearly rise up in revolt. (Personally, I loved when the switchboard was shut down...)
Tax cuts and the concept of the war on terror enamored Bush 43 to conservatives. Failing to hold the line on spending, huge new entitlement programs, mismanagement of the war on terror AND its fronts in Afghanistan and Iraq, advocacy of an amnesty policy, the Kennedy education bill, Harriet Miers... the list goes on and on why folks on the right are only too happy to see GWB go...
I guess if I was way over on the left, Bush would seem like a conservative to me, too. But over here on the right, we don't see it that way... | |
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