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edisto
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Joined: 9/11/2007
Msg: 26 | |
| Edwards pulling out.
Posted: 1/30/2008 11:02:41 PM |
You can bet your grandma that there are a whole lot of repubs sighing with relief that he's out because they aren't scared of Hillary or Obama. They are going to shred them to little bits. What a mess....
so you're saying that race and gender is still an obstacle to becoming president in America?
then we have a real problem displayed tonight at the republican debate, which was really chilling…
McCain is such a hawk that he will gladly keep us in Iraq for years, he showed his own “I’m the Decider” personality, he came across as ALMOST as evil as Bush, he will get us so knee deep in combat that our economy and our respect as a nation will fall so low that I’m not sure we could recover, also, the man has no energy, it seemed an effort for him to speak, I don’t think he has the stamina for the presidency which has nothing to do with his age, he’s just not a healthy man-
Romney is status quo on Iraq and pretty much will continue the Bush agenda
Huckabee and Paul may as well have stayed home as little as they were allowed to speak
America will have to overcome its racial or gender biases or we will see four more years of a despicable war continuing, our reputation as a nation shot to hell and an economy on the verge of collapse, as much as I support Clinton, if Obama is the dem's choice, he will have my utmost support, I just hope that the dems in this nation aren’t stupid enough to take the defeat of their preferred choice and either not vote or vote republican, to have the democrats remain divided after our candidate is chosen would be absolutely tragic for our nation ! | |
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| Edwards pulling out.
Posted: 1/31/2008 6:19:08 AM |
..........as someone already said....the Reps are breathing a sigh of relief with Edwards bowing out!..........with the only viable threat (to challenge any of the Reps front-runners) gone....the Reps will be more emboldened to deal with either Hilary ( a polarizing figure, who is as fake as her press-on finger nails), or an inexperienced Obama who is often glib and awe-struck that he is in the position that he is in...........the Reps will build their case to tradionalists in the southern and middle states (the states whose voters historically determine the outcome of the presidency), and hope to sway the independants and uncommitted voters by whatever means necessary.
what your forgetting is that Barack Obama brings out the younger people in force!
The Last Democrat to do this was Bill Clinton............... Twice!
Young people will decide this one and rightly so, seeing that the "older" crowd has rammed Bush down the throats of the young people.
Young people who will have to clean up Bush's BS for years after 2009 while he's making purchases of beach front property in the middle east with war proffits.
The future of this country will be decided by the "future" of this country! | |
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| Edwards pulling out.
Posted: 1/31/2008 9:12:44 AM |
so you're saying that race and gender is still an obstacle to becoming president in America?
You're kidding right? Of course it is and a huge one. This is not proper, prudent or wise, but there's a big list of those things.
OTOH I know die hard republican rednecks that intend on voting for the, uh "black man" (not the word they used) because they see him as the only one with a functional brain and that their party has "failed them miserably". | |
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| Edwards pulling out.
Posted: 1/31/2008 9:43:07 PM | @ blacksheep
what your forgetting is that Barack Obama brings out the younger people in force!
........that might be true but he better do more than just appeal to young pple......what you are forgetting is that the majority of the voting population is well into adulthood...with an ever expanding number of capable seniors going to the polls.
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at edisto
I just hope that the dems in this nation aren’t stupid enough to take the defeat of their preferred choice and either not vote or vote republican, to have the democrats remain divided after our candidate is chosen would be absolutely tragic for our nation
..........and that is exactly why the reps and moderates are hoping for a win by Hilary!....why? because there is no one more polarizing than her..even within her own party.........hell, when she is dissed by a 'democratic guru' like Ted kennedy in favor of supporting Obama.......it should tell you what part of the democratic hierarchy thinks of her!
........a win by Hilary will almost surely cause a rift between leftist dems and traditional dems, and moderate dems........the leftists may be utterly turned off by her since she would not make any radical shifts from the current course......the moderates will be most vulnerable as many can (and have) jumped ship into the hands of the Reps, but this will be a function of how skillful the Rep frontrunner will be in reaping this fine harvest...if it does occur, it will more than likely take place in the south and mid-west (as it did in prior elections). | |
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edisto
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Joined: 9/11/2007
Msg: 30 | |
| Edwards pulling out.
Posted: 2/1/2008 6:57:30 AM |
..........and that is exactly why the reps and moderates are hoping for a win by Hilary!....
it depends on what day you're talking about and what the media tells us, she was considered the most formidable candidate to go against the republicans, now she's not? she's still the same Hillary, it's just the media that has changed the words to the song not her
I believe if you throw Obama into the ring with McCain you'll have a man who will not be forceful enough to beat the McCain machine, he will not be any better going against Romney, humor, talk of change and great speeches do not get one elected, the Republicans are hard hitters and will go after him without mercy, I don't think he, without Hillary on his ticket will be able to withstand the attacks, Hillary on the other hand has had nothing but personal attacks and had to play hardball all along, the media has played to the Clinton phobia in the American people because people like negative news more than positive and it brings them ratings
both of the leading republican candidates have weakness in their armour, I'm not concerned that Hillary couldn't find the weakness and bring them down, Obama on the other hand, I don’t think could | |
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| Edwards pulling out.
Posted: 2/1/2008 10:37:59 AM | Hillary is not polling well against McCain right now. Both Edwards (who is now out) and Obama have been polling better against McCain. Hillary is only doing well with elderly white females and with Latinos. She is failing with every other demographic.
If Hillary becomes the Democrat nominee against John McCain, Hillary will go down to a crushing defeat. And in that matchup, I'm telling everyone right now that I'm voting for McCain. | |
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edisto
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Joined: 9/11/2007
Msg: 32 | |
| Edwards pulling out.
Posted: 2/1/2008 2:08:48 PM |
I'm voting for McCain.
well, no one really knows what the hell will happen...
however, with that said, you and anyone else who says they'd vote for McCain if Hillary wins can no longer really b itch then about the US being at war for years to come, you'll be cutting off your nose to spite yourself | |
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| Edwards pulling out.
Posted: 2/1/2008 2:37:13 PM | At this point, it's looking like McCain vs. Hillary for the presidency. Neither of those choices is perfect, but here's why McCain is a much better choice than Hillary:
McCain is a consensus-builder. He works better with members of both parties. Hillary is hated even in her own party. McCain would also be respected more in the Middle East, where a lot of our trouble is. Hillary would be a polarizing figure there, to say the least.
McCain is a better communicator. He projects calmness and resolve. Hillary projects stridency and arrogance.
McCain has more resources to call on to build a good Administration. Hillary only has the old Clinton cronies, many of whom no longer want anything to do with the Clintons. Her Cabinet would be staffed with "yes" men.
McCain has a record of success in legislation. Hillary has a failed health-care plan that she keeps trying to jam through. She failed then, and she would fail now.
McCain can admit when he's wrong (he was wrong 10 years ago about the sport of MMA--he admitted it). Hillary never concedes error because she thinks she must always project strength. Trying to look strong doesn't make you strong.
Edwards would have been a strong nominee, but since he's out of the picture, a lot of people are going to take a chance on McCain. Hillary wouldn't get anything done because she'd alienate half the legislators and would have a weak Cabinet. McCain is the best choice out of a couple of not-so-ideal choices. | |
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| Edwards pulling out.
Posted: 2/1/2008 4:25:40 PM |
however, with that said, you and anyone else who says they'd vote for McCain if Hillary wins can no longer really b itch then about the US being at war for years to come, you'll be cutting off your nose to spite yourself
What makes you think that Shillary wants to get us out of Iraq? | |
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edisto
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Joined: 9/11/2007
Msg: 35 | |
| Edwards pulling out.
Posted: 2/1/2008 7:40:44 PM |
McCain is a better communicator. He projects calmness and resolve. Hillary projects stridency and arrogance.
if you watched the republican debate McCain came across as anything but calm, he had the calmness of a passive agressive however, he also came across as strident and arrogant , the only thing he had that you mention, was resolve -similiar to that of "the decider" (not a postitive characteristic)...
what makes me sure that Hillary wants to get us out of Iraq?
well, because that is her plan, she wants them out hopefully in 16 months, but with the strategic problems of getting Iraqi interpretors and those that helped aid Americans in Iraq it will not be as simple as one would like it to be, therefore the flexible timeline-
she is the only one pushing a bill that will keep Bush from placing permanent bases in Iraq without having to consult Congress...this will be a big issue in the near future, this is part of the Bush legacy, which if allowed, will be an abstacle for the US to get out of Iraq completely | |
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| Edwards pulling out.
Posted: 2/1/2008 8:10:46 PM | @ spit
Edwards would have been a strong nominee, but since he's out of the picture, a lot of people are going to take a chance on McCain.
........i would agree with this!
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@ edisto
McCain came across as anything but calm, he had the calmness of a passive agressive however, he also came across as strident and arrogant , the only thing he had that you mention, was resolve -similiar to that of "the decider" (not a postitive characteristic)...
.........McCain can get touchy.....but that is a far cry from comparing him to GwB!....don't you think that many of these candidates are putting up a fake demeanor in front of the public?...........do you really think that none of them ever fly off the handle!......the president has to have "resolve"...and he has be be firmly resolute!.
......if you really wanna be worried about personality traits then you should be worried about Hilary's massive ego which she hides quite well..........in a recent interview, she was asked (if elected) would Bill be a co-president (just like she herself had been co-president when Bill was prez).....her answer: a resounding NO!........and then went on to explain why she was fully qualified to do the job on her own!!!......."fully qualified"?.......OMG!...the "fact' that she believes that she is 'fully qualified' is a very scary thought....since as junior senator of NY she has had to rely on senator C.Schumer's guidance during the better part of the 1st 4 yrs!
what makes me sure that Hillary wants to get us out of Iraq?
well, because that is her plan,
.........so what makes her plan more worthy then Obama's.......you think Obama doesn't care about all those who assisted US troops?...........Hilary voted for nearly every resolution to support the war!
she is the only one pushing a bill that will keep Bush from placing permanent bases in Iraq without having to consult Congress..
.......she is trying to push something through that she knows won't get passed....part of many neat little ploys that have helped her add shine to her image.........btw, if i'm not mistaken..the construction for many such bases is already underway! | |
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| Edwards pulling out.
Posted: 2/1/2008 9:02:45 PM |
she is the only one pushing a bill that will keep Bush from placing permanent bases in Iraq without having to consult Congress...this will be a big issue in the near future, this is part of the Bush legacy, which if allowed, will be an abstacle for the US to get out of Iraq completely
Actually, Congress already passed that bill (369-46). It's part of the 2008 National Defense Authorization Act (H.R. 4986). Bush decided he didn't have to follow it. 
WASHINGTON - President Bush this week declared that he has the power to bypass four laws, including a prohibition against using federal funds to establish permanent US military bases in Iraq, that Congress passed as part of a new defense bill.
Bush made the assertion in a signing statement that he issued late Monday after signing the National Defense Authorization Act for 2008. In the signing statement, Bush asserted that four sections of the bill unconstitutionally infringe on his powers, and so the executive branch is not bound to obey them.
"Every time a senior administration official is asked about permanent US military bases in Iraq, they contend that it is not their intention to construct such facilities," said Senator Robert P. Casey Jr., Democrat of Pennsylvania, in a Senate speech yesterday. "Yet this signing statement issued by the president yesterday is the clearest signal yet that the administration wants to hold this option in reserve."
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2008/01/30/bush_asserts_authority_to_bypass_defense_act/
Look at section 1222 :
Here is the entire text of 1222:
No funds appropriated pursuant to an authorization of appropriations in this Act may be obligated or expended for a purpose as follows:
(1) To establish any military installation or base for the purpose of providing for the permanent stationing of United States Armed Forces in Iraq.
(2) To exercise United States control of the oil resources of Iraq
Here's Bush's signing statement on that bill :
“Today, I have signed into law H.R. 4986, the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008… Provisions of the Act, including sections 841, 846, 1079, and 1222, purport to impose requirements that could inhibit the President's ability to carry out his constitutional obligations to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, to protect national security, to supervise the executive branch, and to execute his authority as Commander in Chief. The executive branch shall construe such provisions in a manner consistent with the constitutional authority of the President.”
So the Iraqis don't want permanent bases, the American people don't want permanent US bases, and Congress doesn't want US bases.
The President, however, does.
Edwards may be pulling out, but the US military probably won't be. | |
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| Edwards pulling out.
Posted: 2/2/2008 8:29:16 AM | | Edwards seems like a puppet to me. He'll probably be back as a vice president. | |
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| Edwards pulling out.
Posted: 2/2/2008 6:26:16 PM | | LOL. I love it when Canadians give Americans lessons in their own government! | |
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| Edwards pulling out.
Posted: 2/2/2008 11:20:06 PM | It has NOTHING to do with race or gender. Hillary Clinton is a joke, she has done nothing in her life other than to marry a man who has cheated on her numerous times and allow him to walk all over her so that she can further her political career. what an inspiration!!!!
Obama has alot going for him, but experience is not one of them. I think the American people will feel the need to have someone more seasoned in the Oval Office. | |
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| Edwards pulling out.
Posted: 2/3/2008 10:32:22 PM | As far as I'm concerned all of those that belong to the CFR ... need to pull out. That won't leave ANY of the so called "front runners" from either party standing. All BS aside, people should be concerned about these corrupt practices as opposed to she vs, he, black vs. white ... totally irrelevant when it comes down to who's going to run this country further into the ground. But I guess that takes reading and research.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1710662559138481080 | |
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