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Posted: 4/6/2009 8:34:44 PM | ^^^^^^^
I agree. I watched the episode last week (here in Australia) where it was mostly about Sawyer (OMG that man is a lethal weapon.......lol).
He was working as a Dharma person and him and Juliet were helping that pregnant lady. I must say I just stared at that man the whole episode and didn't really notice much about what was going on................and women drool over Brad Pitt...................plllllllllleeeeeeeaaaaaassssseeeeeee!!!!!!! 
As far as the ending goes, I still believe it's Hurley's dream and has something to do with that island poster in the hospital...................I know it sounds weird but then it's a weird show! | |
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Posted: 4/7/2009 3:36:44 PM | Christian isn't Jacob, for the record. He's said so himself.
Ahhh new episode tomorrow! Woo. | |
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Posted: 4/8/2009 12:23:20 PM | That is so not fair mrcyrus, we have to wait till Sunday here in the uk for the next episode, i know im going to read here what happens next. Last episode i saw here ended with John Lock saying to Ben something like welcome back to the land of the living, omg i cant wait to see where this one goes. I do belive now grown up Ben is back on the scene all hell is about to break loose.
A secret Ben admirer, hes cute, lovin Ben.
Aggghhhhh secrets out
The' not' others are after me lol | |
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Posted: 4/8/2009 12:34:28 PM | LOL! These writers are quacks.... The suspense! Everything's gotta have suspense... EVERYTHING!!!!
Perhaps the next episode will go something like this...
Jack to Kate: "Where are you going?"
Kate to Jack [with super-serious look on her face]: "I don't have time to tell you right now"
... Then, three seasons after dragging out the suspense of where Kate went and why, there'll be a flashback. The flashback will recap (of f*cking course) the mysterious scene that took place three seasons ago... and then it will continue with Kate turning from Jack and romping out of his sight into the woods where she'll undo her pants and take a crap before returning to camp.
... Fer chrissakes, these guys don't have to make every unimportant detail out to be some giant piece of the plot, do they? Oh yes, yes they do... or else viewers won't be too distracted to notice that there's not really much plot going on there... just winding, wayward twists and turns that show you nothing and take you nowhere.
That scene with Kate and the lady from like the second episode of the first season was boring, pointless, and made the show less interesting than ever before. And why the hell couldn't Kate just have told Jack where Aaaron was instead of them drawing out the suspense only to find such an anticlimactic resolution?
Oh and the whole Ben thing? Jeez! Sure makes them all wussier than ever before! They couldn't find it in them to kill adult Ben--not even Sayid--but they're all about killing him when he's just a kid? Even though (duh) they've already met him as an adult so obviously killing him as a kid couldn't work.
I honestly hope there's only one more season of this crud. I'll see it through, but my expectations are low--very very low--as to how they'll end this train-wreck of a series... and I won't be watching anything else written by these frauds in the future. | |
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Posted: 4/8/2009 1:41:06 PM | | ^^^I honestly hope you stop watching so we don't have to read your cruddy whining anymore. Seriously. | |
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Posted: 4/8/2009 3:24:35 PM | LOL!!!! CRUDDY whining? Did you not see the script I wrote? C'mon, give me some credit... I thought I wrote that post better than the writers of Lost would have, lol...
I don't believe you HAVE to read my posts, so quit YOUR whining, lol... it's not my fault the show is so easy and amusing to pick apart... the die-hard fans are part of the amusement....
So, let's call a spade a spade, shall we? It's nothing more than mediocre writing--but it still entertains me... kinda like watching and laughing at one of those really hilariously cheesy-types of porn, lol 
By the way, the title of this thread isn't "The New Season of LOST Rulez"....
It's very generally titled--which leaves it open to fan-masturbation and critiques alike. | |
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Posted: 4/8/2009 9:23:57 PM | So, Dummy.... If the show is so easy to "pick apart", then please tell us how the show is going to end! Surely, you MUST know!
(Side note: More than ever, I stick to my theory about LOST... it requires intelligence to enjoy this show!) | |
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Posted: 4/9/2009 6:30:04 AM | | For the record, I enjoy the show, but I don't consider myself all that intelligent, lol. I knew Ben wouldn't get "smoked" last night, he's too important to the show. I'm happy as hell that John is back and maybe he can get everyone back together. Still confused, but I'll keep watching. I did enjoy seeing Desmond beating the living chit out of Ben, he deserved it big time. | |
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Posted: 4/9/2009 7:14:20 AM | ^^^Yes, I'm glad that it was actually Desmond who beat him up. I was afraid it might be bodyguards assigned by Widmore.
I think shoulderlegs is referring to the many literary references that are used in Lost. There is also a whole bunch of time travel and other theories that they allude to in the show that are actually real studies. | |
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Posted: 4/9/2009 7:59:09 AM | Calling Lost poorly written is hilarious. From a literary and storytelling standpoint, it is remarkably planned out and intricate. Intricate does not always mean good, but it does in this case. I'm not surprised you can't appreciate it if you don't understand why Kate couldn't tell Jack she'd left Aaron with Sawyer's baby mama. You know, part of studying literature is putting thought into what you're reading - you can apply that to television too! Gosh.
As for the Ben point, the only person who was willing to kill child Ben was Sayid, long after the last time Sayid and adult Ben had seen one another. Sayid wanted to kill Ben for personal reasons that have nothing to do with the other survivors. Jack was willing to let Ben die because he wanted to alter the future, not because he wanted to kill adult Ben.
I was going to say you aren't entitled to an opinion because you like Keane, but then I saw that you like Boston, and now I can't complain about your musical tastes.
Last night's episode was a bit odd and didn't accomplish much, so I was disappointed. Next week looks interesting, though, so looking forward to that. | |
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Posted: 4/9/2009 8:08:57 AM |
Sayid wanted to kill Ben for personal reasons that have nothing to do with the other survivors.
Good point. Although we saw a few flashbacks about Ben and Sayid's partnership where Sayid was working for him, obviously there are gaps. It may go back to Sayid's wife (I forget her name right now) and contain some of the issues around Sayid beginning to kill for someone else yet again. | |
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Posted: 4/9/2009 8:25:44 AM | In a recent episode there was a flashback regarding Sayid and Ben's brief partnership. In it, it's pretty obvious that Sayid has caught on to the fact that he's merely killing the people Ben wants him to, and has convinced himself that he was doing it for another reason besides that it was what Ben wanted him to do. I think he resented being used and that's what really pushed him over the edge, after he had some time to stew over it.
Keeping human nature and thought process in mind = good writing. Always good to notice the little things that make Lost great. | |
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Posted: 4/9/2009 10:25:31 AM | Lol! It really cracks me up when Lost fans start insulting the intelligence of the people who criticize the show. The only thing you see me criticize is the writers and their lack of talent (as far as writing a good script goes, anyway. If we're talking about their ability to make tons of loot and create millions of fans from a poorly written and planned script, that's a totally different story.)
Anyway, I think it speaks volumes about a person when they resort to insults to defend the love of their show. Intelligence? I think not.
From a literary and storytelling standpoint, it is remarkably planned out and intricate.
How so? How do you know? Do you work for/with them? Examples, please. If you're talking about the philosophical and literary references in the show, all I can say is that referencing someone else's thoughts or work doesn't make someone an adept or creative writer... it's the way those references are used. And so far, they seem superficial to me. There could be some greater meaning, but I highly doubt it. I just don't think those guys have the stuff to work it out in any exceptional way, and I'm basing that on their poor track-record of handling scenes and storylines and characters. If you'd like a list, I'd be happy to run them off to you. And as far as the planning goes... I actually read an article a couple years ago about one episode that was just way off track... turns out the writers were "trying something out"... that's doesn't sound fully planned out to me.
Intricate does not always mean good, but it does in this case. I'm not surprised you can't appreciate it if you don't understand why Kate couldn't tell Jack she'd left Aaron with Sawyer's baby mama.
Funny... If the complexity of this show is "good" as you call it, then maybe you would have understood that Kate left the baby with Claire's mom--not Sawyer's baby's mama, lol. I don't blame you for getting it mixed up, though, and especially since it helps my point. This IS an intricate show, but I think it comes more from the writers winging it then from any kind of developed plan... which is why so many interesting storylines have been dropped unresolved.... or resolved later on in an anticlimactic and uncreative manner so the writers can just check it off their list. They leave too much to suspense. Suspense is good, but not when everything is suspenseful. The writers here don't know how to economize.
I appreciate this show for what it is... a joke... a very entertaining joke ;) And I give the writers the credit I feel they deserve.
I was going to say you aren't entitled to an opinion because you like Keane, but then I saw that you like Boston, and now I can't complain about your musical tastes.
What the hell does my musical taste have to do with my opinion and crticism of Lost--or my freedom of speech for that matter? That statement makes you seem very immature, and contradicts anything intelligent you might have had to say... | |
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Posted: 4/9/2009 6:44:36 PM | ^^^^^^^ Who says it is supposed to be suspense all the time.. We see bits and pieces and just like a jigsaw puzzle you may find a piece that may not fit so you end up coming back to it later and then it takes it place in the big picture. Granted some of the story line has pieces that get set aside for a long time, but that is all part of the intricasy ( sp) of the show.. You have to pay attention and follow it.. what makes that bad writing or a bad story. The fact that you keep coming back to see what happens next is all part of following the story. Just my take on it.
BTW I am sure the ending will be something that will never really occur to us until just before we se it unfold. | |
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Posted: 4/9/2009 7:03:13 PM | Wow what's with all the b.......tching?
I just want the show to hurry up and finish so I can find out how and why Jack and his lot crashed on the island in the first place.
If you're not interested in the show, why would you bother joining this post? Doesn't make any sense. | |
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Posted: 4/9/2009 7:15:59 PM | "I just want the show to hurry up and finish so I can find out how and why Jack and his lot crashed on the island in the first place."
I dont know about hurring up and ending but I do like the way its progressing up to this point. Wow I just realized I will have Lost withdrawl after its over..lol. | |
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Posted: 4/9/2009 9:10:04 PM | I had been thinking about when Kate visited Sawyer's kiddo and mixed up the facts, oopsie.
I don't know why I need to explain this, but my insulting Keane wasn't a serious criticism. But on that note, what does my criticism and opinion of Keane have to do with my opinion of Lost? :)
Everything considered, you haven't really given a compelling criticism of the show. I'll admit they overdo the drama sometimes and it can be hilarious, but it's a television show. It shouldn't be taken as anything more than entertainment, and you certainly shouldn't overlook its positive qualities because of a few gripes.
I think the writers have a plan of what the island is and what it does, and what the end result will be. As for characters and new plots, I think those are the kind of things that they are cool with changing around, and I don't mind it. Sometimes they'll bring on a guest director or try something different and it doesn't work out. I don't see it as a big deal unless the mythology or main storyline is battered in the process.
As for examples of good writing, it's more your goal to dissuade me than it is mine to persuade you towards liking Lost's writing. I'm open to suggestion and know Lost isn't perfect, of course, but I certainly don't see it the way you do. You can feel free to give me a list, though, as I'm pretty curious. | |
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Posted: 4/10/2009 4:29:00 AM | | I can't wait until they figure out how Jack and Company are going to get out of the 70s...or if they ever will! | |
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Posted: 4/10/2009 9:35:32 AM | Avert your eyes, avid fans! lol ;)
I don't know why I need to explain this, but my insulting Keane wasn't a serious criticism.
lol, my bad... you never know with some people (by the way, Keane rocks... or at least that one song of his that I like does ;)
It shouldn't be taken as anything more than entertainment, and you certainly shouldn't overlook its positive qualities because of a few gripes.
true, true
As for examples of good writing, it's more your goal to dissuade me than it is mine to persuade you towards liking Lost's writing.
Meh... I suppose it's all a matter of opinion. John Saul is a bestseller and people love his stories, but I think they're crap. I call Lost crap, but I don't hate it... and sometimes it is crap (to me) but not always... which is why I keep watching. If it isn't horribly amusing... it's somewhat fascinating.
As for the examples... First, in general, the writer's tendency to leave things suspended for too long makes things confusing and is one of the main problems with the show. A good story can be intricate, but not impossible to follow without a spreadsheet. It makes it seem like they're jumping shark (and sometimes they do), and by the time they come back to it, the details are fuzzy and the interest diminished. Maybe if they referenced their own mysteries more often, it would keep the anticipation going...
Okay, specific examples:
-Walt: First the others wanted to kidnap him and were doing lord knows what. Walt was "special" and important. Then suddenly he's okay to go home and live normally with his grandmom... and they never even came back to that til this season. Boring resolution.
-Claire: she just left? It seems really uncreative, and she's on another show now, so we'll see if they ever come back to that. Interesting at first, but now boring since they left it alone for so long.
-Nobody ever killed Ben: it just seems illogical. Someone, if they were smart, shoulda killed him.
-The creepy barefoot children walking in the woods: if they ever come back to that (which it seems they're about to--at least minimally) it's so far after the fact that it's lost some of it's appeal.
-All the rest of the people on the plane and Farraday: the writers seems to have forgotten about them, but I haven't. Where the hell are they and why aren't they in the 70's and why is nobody else questioning where they went?
-The drama over Kate and the baby: boooooring! Anticlimactic, worthless use of suspense when there's already so much going on.
-Jack seriously didn't ask what happened to his nephew when Kate refused to tell him? What a loser
-The way Charlie died: "Oh, well I'm supposed to die and it's flooding in here, so quick shut the door so I can fulfill my destiny!" Stupid.
-The chic that was gonna screw Hurley: again, if they ever get back to that, it's at a pace that loses its momentum. And I'm still really bummed for poor Hurley, lol.
-The "sickness": why did it take so long to get back to that? And again, just a nod to it and still no explanation.
... guess I'll stop there. I really could go on and on, but it's the same basic complaint. I just don't think the writers pull off mystery and suspense very well.
But just so's yall know... I saw Wednesday's ep last night and it wasn't bad! I wasn't paying full attention, but I liked what I saw, and always enjoy episodes that include Rousseu since it takes me back to the beginning when I was fully interested. And I also do like the way some things have been explained through time-travel (I love anything having to do with time-travel), but it remains to be seen how well the writers can truly handle the time-travel thing. And I was happy that Penny didn't die since her and Desmond are my favorite storyline.
Anyway, I do b*tch about this show a lot... but only because it has/had so much potential!!! But I'll cut my complaining back for ya guys a bit ;) and save it for the highly entertaining Lost companion critic's forum... It's actually hilarious and anyone who doesn't take the show too seriously would probably find it amusing... feel free to email me if you want the address, though I think I posted it back on page 8 in this thread
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Posted: 4/10/2009 10:40:56 AM | Ladies and gentlemen, DatingDUMMY has his right to post here. We have the right to ignore his posts. Just pass over them as I do and move on to something else.
With that said, I think this last episode did clear up some things about Ben. It still goes to prove that he IS working for the best interest of the island. He could have kill the French woman, but he didn't. He kept her baby, which explains how he was connected to her and her daughter. It also shows he was telling the truth when he said she wasn't his child, but he did love her as a daughter. You could see it on his face when she was killed in front of him.
No... I think Ben is working to save the island. His plan to kill Locke though got screwed when his daughter's ghost (?) told him, in no uncertain terms, to forget that!
We also get to see more about Smokie. So... it is a being that can be summoned. Sort of like... A D'Jin (or Genie to neophites who don't know what a D'Jin is.) I found it interesting that the images in the temple depict Ra (or is it Set) calling this being up!
Your opinions are always welcome. But be kind to each other. | |
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Posted: 4/10/2009 3:49:23 PM | At least Boston is incredible.
As for the examples... First, in general, the writer's tendency to leave things suspended for too long makes things confusing and is one of the main problems with the show.
See, but this is a personal gripe because it's not the way you like a show to be, it's not an actual flaw with the writing or anything. I kind of enjoy forgetting about a huge plot point because so much has happened, then be reminded of said huge plot point. I like when something happens which makes me go "OH RIGHT DESMOND'S IN THERE!!" or whatever.
Regarding character gripes, though, I don't think it's totally fair to debate them until the series is over. I'm pretty sure Claire's story isn't over yet, and while it's in the background right now, I'll be very interested as soon as they begin to explore it again. It's the price we pay for having a huge cast, I think.
Walt's a great example of your complaints. Personally, I can only guess that the Others wanted to recruit Walt to their side, which is why they put him in 'Room 23' (that brainwashing room where Alex's boyfriend was for a bit), but it didn't work. Apparently Walt's got some freaky astral projection powers or something, I dunno.
Claire's going to be back in season 6, so we'll find out what's up with her then. Hopefully with Christian as well, that whole area of the show is a bit loopy, but I'm anxious to find out what it's all about.
Ben, at least, manages to get himself out of situations where people want to kill him. He manages to talk his way out of it, so it's somewhat believable. The only person I really think has a good reason to kill him at present time is Locke, but he's not really the killing type.
The people on the plane have been explained (except Farraday, who Sawyer hinted was not currently around). Ceasar and company used one of the buildings for an infirmary and set up camp on the beach.
Kate's generally worthless which is pretty common knowledge, haha.
Charlie shut the door to make sure Desmond survived. As a female you should be very happy he did, because apparently Desmond is extremely attractive. It was pretty evident at that point that Charlie was going to die and couldn't avoid it, but going by the mythology of the island, he was always meant to die where he did anyway.
How could they go back to Libby? She's dead. Michael shot her after he shot Ana Lucia, remember? She was holding a pillow in front of herself very awkwardly, I remember. I guess they could go into her backstory a bit.
Anyway, it's fun to talk about. I don't really think it's fair to gripe about a lot of these things at this point, since the show isn't finished yet. It's like disliking a plot hole in a movie that isn't over. I personally don't think they can possibly explain everything they've opened up with all the characters, but I know a lot of gaps will be filled. | |
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Posted: 4/11/2009 6:17:08 AM | Thanks for the post datingdummy, I agree that there are lots of unanswered things and I actually enjoy reading your insights on that rather than just laughing and complaining about bad writing.
One more thing to add to your list (unless it was answered and I missed it?). I was re--watching some of the season 3 to see if any of the dead dharmites in the pit had nametags (they didn't) and the part where the crate falls out of the sky after the hatch implodes had me thinking. They never really did explain how the hatch imploding makes the crate appear?
Maybe there's a station in the sky? Obviously, this implies outside assistance or is it yet another mystery?
Sometimes, there is not enough time to really write something amazing to "get rid" of a character. While we suspend our disbelief to watch the show, at the same time, I realize that someone has to think up how to "get rid" of the characters that the majority of folks watching are going to like.
I found it interesting that the images in the temple depict Ra (or is it Set) calling this being up!
I don't know, haven't checked, but it is very interesting and shows us how long the island has been around. Or at least what the original folks believed. | |
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Posted: 4/12/2009 3:15:40 AM | The hatch imploding isn't what made the crate appear, the crates are dropped twice a year or so and can also be initiated by inputting '24' into the same computer Locke played chess on. Of course, now that it's destroyed... dun dun dun. I imagine there are other ways to summon supplies, though.
In my mind, it makes sense to think that the Dharma Initiative sends crates of supplies to each station every 6 months or so, the timing was just a coincidence. | |
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Posted: 4/13/2009 4:33:24 AM | | ^^I'd have to go back and watch (I have all 4 seasons), but didn't that crate appear when they DIDN'T input the numbers and the sky turned white and noisy and the hatch then imploded? | |
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Posted: 4/13/2009 2:14:13 PM |
The people on the plane have been explained (except Farraday, who Sawyer hinted was not currently around). Ceasar and company used one of the buildings for an infirmary and set up camp on the beach.
Were they all explained? I admit I don't seem to be able to pay full attention to the show anymore, so maybe it has... I can't remember what the explanations were for why the 05 didn't all return to the same time. Doesn't make sense to me... but maybe, just MAYBE the writers will explain it later, lol.... We'll see. What was the explanation, though?
Kate's generally worthless which is pretty common knowledge, haha.
Oh god, she is such an annoying character. I just wanna slap the crap out of her, lol. Can't they kill that biotch off???
Charlie shut the door to make sure Desmond survived. As a female you should be very happy he did, because apparently Desmond is extremely attractive. It was pretty evident at that point that Charlie was going to die and couldn't avoid it, but going by the mythology of the island, he was always meant to die where he did anyway.
I dunno... this didn't make much sense to me since it seemed clear that both would have time to get out. Charlie coulda shut the door while on the OTHER side of it... and to me that was a scene where something is true simply because the writers say it's true, even though the audience can see that it wasn't the only option. Man, that was a good season though. I miss when the show was exciting like that. Oh, and yes, I'm very happy Des survived!
How could they go back to Libby? She's dead. Michael shot her after he shot Ana Lucia, remember? She was holding a pillow in front of herself very awkwardly, I remember. I guess they could go into her backstory a bit.[/quote
Yeah, the backstory is exactly what I've been dieing to see... at some point the writers hinted at there being some significance to her character. She had been in the institution with Hurley and seemed to know him, though he didn't know her. Again, it's just the timing I'm unhappy with... but that's just a preference of mine.
OH! And here's something else I forgot to mention before... I'm sorry to criticise the writing... I'm a lover of literature and a natural critic of it so I can't even help noticing these things. But one thing I don't like about the way they're handling the time-travel concept is that there's too much telling and not enough showing. If "whatever happened, happened" then there should've been no need to convince the 05 to go back to the island because it would've happened anyway, no matter what they did... They would've been led back to the island even against their will. But the writers decided to make all of them decide to go back (except for Sayid) and Aaron didn't even HAVE to go back... and Farrady's mom had changed her mind about how many were needed when it seemed like the rule was pretty concrete. I guess there's still time for the writers to prove their theory, though.... For instance, if Aaron's not going back caused the time mix-up--created some paradox or something--then that would be an interesting twist. And Sayid DID end up going back against his will, so that helps a bit. I think it would've been interesting, however, if Aaron had ended up on the same flight and had to go back to the island, too (maybe he did and we just don't know yet??)
A little off-topic, but I was thinking about this lately. I was a little disappointed with Ben losing his memory of the Lost crew being in Dharma... When I saw that the crew and little Ben were in the same time, I thought back to the episode where Kack, Kate and Sawyer were kidnapped by the Others and though "OHHH! So that's why THEY were the ones who were kidnapped! Because Ben remembered them!" But now that idea is kinda shot to $hit... it was only disappointing because it seemed like a fitting puzzle piece--and an interesting one, at that. Oh well, maybe the writers have a better plan going on (see? I'm working on my Lost pessimism, lol)
I wouldn't mind being proven wrong if all this ends up being worked out somehow... I just hope it doesn't ALL come out in the last episode with nothing but a bunch of filler episodes leading up to it... But luckily I see fewer and fewer of those these days.
Sometimes I think this show would've made a better book than a TV series... since books seem to be more concise and TV series tend to go all over the place to make a more interesting show... | |
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