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Posted: 4/13/2009 2:32:07 PM | "I dunno... this didn't make much sense to me since it seemed clear that both would have time to get out. Charlie coulda shut the door while on the OTHER side of it... and to me that was a scene where something is true simply because the writers say it's true, even though the audience can see that it wasn't the only option."
Do you remember how many times Desmond saved charlies life? Remember all of desmonds visions of the future after the hatch exploded. The night desmond and charlie and Hurley got drunk on the beach and Desmond told charlie that no matter how many times he would try to save him that at some point he was going to die because desmond couldnt be there all of the time. Charlie knew he was going to die because desmond told him so. Charlie also knew that his death would help to save Claire and her baby .. thats why Charlie sacrificed himself.
"Sometimes I think this show would've made a better book than a TV series... since books seem to be more concise and TV series tend to go all over the place to make a more interesting show... "
While I agree to a point that most stories are much better as books than tv shows this one, and I know your probably not going to agree with me on this, forces you to think and to remember even the most mundane of details so that when the explination finally comes a few weeks later you can say "Okay now I understand". Its an annoying habit tv writers today like to employ to keep you hooked and guessing more often than not because they havent figured out the direction they want to go with the story. | |
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Posted: 4/13/2009 3:11:17 PM |
Do you remember how many times Desmond saved charlies life? Remember all of desmonds visions of the future after the hatch exploded. The night desmond and charlie and Hurley got drunk on the beach and Desmond told charlie that no matter how many times he would try to save him that at some point he was going to die because desmond couldnt be there all of the time. Charlie knew he was going to die because desmond told him so. Charlie also knew that his death would help to save Claire and her baby .. thats why Charlie sacrificed himself.
mmm, I don't know. I'm still unconvinced. Charlie may have had to leave the show, not because of the script, but because of real-world reasons, so this is the way the writers wrote him out. Desmond's seeing the future seemed to be employed merely for that purpose... to get Charlie out (I mean, it hasn't happened to him since then...) But it still doesn't hold water. If Charlie was meant to die, then how could Desmond save him time and time again? He can't be more powerful than the island if the island somehow controls the fates of those connected to it. If Charlie was [italic]meant[/italic] to die, then he wouldn't have had to resort to suicide to get it done... it would've happened no matter what he did... And there's the tell-no-show--the tell-tale sign of poor story-telling. Instead of proving that they have no control over destiny by having characters fight against it and lose the battle against fate, they have them just saying "okie dokie, then" and willingly following their fate--which doesn't prove it was fate at all, but human CHOICE.
But maybe that was something that the writers thought of and planned for a reason? Maybe there's a subtle point they're trying to make with that? Maybe... I can't quiet my questioning, but I am trying to suspend my judgement | |
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Posted: 4/13/2009 3:28:18 PM | "If Charlie was [italic]meant[/italic] to die, then he wouldn't have had to resort to suicide to get it done... it would've happened no matter what he did... And there's the tell-no-show--the tell-tale sign of poor story-telling. Instead of proving that they have no control over destiny by having characters fight against it and lose the battle against fate, they have them just saying "okie dokie, then" and willingly following their fate--which doesn't prove it was fate at all, but human CHOICE."
Excellent point .. But Charlie had no idea until desmond mentioned it while being drunk that no matter how many times he tried to save him there was always another way he saw him die. Once Charlie found out this revelation from Desmond he knew that there was little he could do ( after all the island was making all the decisions..lol) so he went about his life and made his list and bided his time. In the end the only control charlie had over his fate WAS that he was "able to choose" the time of his demise. Given the situation I dont really think he truly understood that he would die until the very moment came when he locked the door and that was the choice he made to save desmond.
The whole show has debated and played on the fate versus choice issue it has been an underlying theme since the story began ( think the whole Jack vs Locke thing from day one).
"But maybe that was something that the writers thought of and planned for a reason? Maybe there's a subtle point they're trying to make with that? Maybe... I can't quiet my questioning, but I am trying to suspend my judgement "
Thats one of the signs of the truly open and intelligent mind 
No judgement calls will be made before their time..and the story isnt over yet. | |
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Posted: 4/13/2009 3:40:19 PM | I guess Charlie thought that the grenade would kill Desmond so Charlie closed the door. That's really the only thing I can see, but I too wondered why they just didn't dive back into the water and start swimming back up - perhaps the blast would have propelled them up by that time? Not enough time? But then again, the blast might send their boat reeling and they'd have no way to get back to the island, and simply drown....
But at the same time, the character playing Charlie had to go so they had to write him out somehow and instead of some errant lightning rod death, they chose to make him "a hero". The scene was well done and emotionally stirring.....
Back to my wonderings about the food crate dropping, Locke did not push #24, he pushed other ones and in the end 77 to explode the Flame. I think that the original hatch (Swan) and the Flame were connected. So the button pushing tells the "crate suppliers" that things are still going well, and the Flame calls for food. Dunno. Maybe Mikhail pushed #24 for supplies for him a few days before the crate landed, and the Lost folk found it instead. Maybe the supplies go through a time travel too!
<div class="quote">A little off-topic, but I was thinking about this lately. I was a little disappointed with Ben losing his memory of the Lost crew being in Dharma... When I saw that the crew and little Ben were in the same time, I thought back to the episode where Kack, Kate and Sawyer were kidnapped by the Others and though "OHHH! So that's why THEY were the ones who were kidnapped! Because Ben remembered them!"
That would be interesting, that can still happen but perhaps with another character?
On another note, I'm glad to hear the Miles' story developing. I've been waiting for that since we first saw him talk to the dead son. | |
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Posted: 4/13/2009 3:53:45 PM | Whatever the reasoning of why he didnt get out died with his character.
I am going to go out on a limb here and suggest that the crates came on a regular delivery schedule as they were supplies that the island needed them on a regular basis and that perhaps in case of a shortage or some other reason of loss they could be replaced by simply calling for them. All of the "hatches" or stations if you wil were connected to the inituative in so much as they were "all" research stations of somesort and all were linked with cameras. The neat part we are seeing now is the true extent of the "all seeing eye" of Dharma. I also suspect we will find out alot more things in coming episodes.. Such as what was the "incident" that caused the need for the button to be pushed every 108 minutes. And the list goes on..and on..lol | |
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Posted: 4/15/2009 9:37:40 AM | The supplies definitely can be summoned by the Flame's computer (which is now destroyed) by inputting '24'. Locke might not have been the one to call it, I just mentioned he happened to be playing chess on that computer, since it's easier to pinpoint which computer I meant that way.
AHHH LOST IS ON TONIGHT
Hahaha. I am very anxious. I could discuss this show for days. Lets renew our debates after tonight's episode, should be a good one (I too have noticed less filler episodes, as the storyline seems more concrete now).
Lost very likely appears a lot more concise on paper, and in its entirety. I'm sure a lot of things will make more sense as the season rolls on. I find I'm getting more answers and less questions these days, which is great. | |
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Posted: 4/15/2009 10:03:54 AM | Very true, you did say that, I just still wonder about it though....where are the presumably "in-present" time Losties getting their food? AND where are my Rose and Bernard? :(
Perhaps the filler epis are to help "catch up" newbies to the show?
The one thing I have been waiting for since season 1 ended is for some of the characters to make the connections between themselves. Like Claire and Jack being half related.
We saw Kate and that other woman reunite, but that really wasn't one reunion that was all that satisfying. | |
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Posted: 4/15/2009 10:42:20 AM |
The one thing I have been waiting for since season 1 ended is for some of the characters to make the connections between themselves. Like Claire and Jack being half related.
Yes! Thank you wild heart, for articulating something I've been longing for as well! The Hurley-Libby relationship is one that I've been dieing to delve into.... I hope we get some flashbacks regarding that!
We saw Kate and that other woman reunite, but that really wasn't one reunion that was all that satisfying.
Totally... That whole scene was a bore-fest for me. I never really cared about the other woman's character, let alone Kate's at this point.
A random thing I just remembered... It's another one of those A-Ha moments gone huhhh? With the whole time-traveling thing--when the wheel was stuck and they kept shifting from one time to another--I thought, "so THAT'S where the whispers were coming from! I think it helped solidify the time-travel attempt. They were hearing themselves!" But now it seems that's NOT what the whispers were... ah well... Maybe the real explanation will be better...
Enjoy the show everybody!! I gotta wait til it comes online tomorrow :( | |
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Posted: 4/15/2009 12:29:34 PM | Personally, I hope they do not kill Kate off. Evangeline Lilly is very nice to look at most of the time  Though she's much more charming when not in character, haha.
I think we might get some Libby insight in a future Hurley episode, I don't think they'd forget about that. It's possible they did, though! Personally, I find Hurley even less useful than Kate. | |
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Posted: 4/15/2009 2:45:02 PM | | i am so happy with lost this season cause it has alot of sawyer, but i dont like how young ben got shot but the older ben did not feel it which makes no sense no matter time line you are in if you get shot the older one should feel it, | |
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Posted: 4/15/2009 2:46:57 PM | I agree we have seen a lot of the backgroounds for a few of the characters..but I am really wanting to know what the story is with Richard Alpert..the guy never ages and has been there on the island for along time.
I think the whispers that they are all hearing have something to do with smokey and am curious to see how they are going to explain that whole deal as well as the statue with four toes.
You know this story is one that has done nothing but gotten better with each season in as much as it has me at the end of each episode crying out loud ... "NO it cant be over I need to know more!!!" | |
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Posted: 4/16/2009 7:21:37 AM | So suspicions confirmed, Miles is indeed Cheng/Candle's son. BUT, how in heck is he alive as a baby and as an adult? How can two souls be doing that?!
And Farriday?! Where has he been? Did he pretend to be on the sub? Does mommy have anything to do with that? | |
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Posted: 4/16/2009 3:01:21 PM | The reason they can play this temporal game is that no one can prove right or wrong for it so this is all "what if"... It does make the mind work to wrap around these concepts and makes you think and imagine the possibilities. Go back to the episode when miles and Hurley discuss temporal theory and watch that part again. It explains how the writers are telling this part of the story. It can be confusing ( had to watch it twice myself to get it) but it explains it all.
As for Farriday.. good question but I am sure that he has been doing his "intel" on the past and it will come out in the next episode. | |
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Posted: 4/16/2009 11:11:48 PM | Time traveling back to meet yourself as a child is not a problem. Attempt to change history is the problem.
There are three basic views on Time travel.
1. Solid Time: (Mile's version of time travel.) No matter what you do in the past, it is part of that past and will not change anything. I go back in time to kill myself. But something prevents me from doing so. Just like Ben being shot. He was meant to be shot by someone. That someone, until you did it, was unknown.
2. Flexible Time: I can walk up to my younger self and hold a conversation, I may even give him advise. My younger self may take that advise and there by change some aspects of my adult life. It could even change events that I might remember happening but not so much that my life as it was up to the time I traveled back in time was affected. Only small things would change.
3. Rubber Time: (Hurley's version of time travel.) This is where time travel could wipe you out totally if you changed even the slightest event. For instance, going back in time to prehistoric times and stepping on a bug that was suppose to be help a flower grow, which was suppose to be the first tree to provide oxygen, which is what we breath today. But because that bug was crushed and didn't cause a flower to grow, some other gas was created and instead of human's breathing, intelligent dinosaurs walk the Earth.
Did this help?
I was wondering where Daniel had gone to. I also wonder where the rest of the beach camp is!?! Rose and Benard! Where are they!?! They were traveling through time with the rest of them! Where are they! | |
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Posted: 4/17/2009 8:57:38 PM | | I should also add that it has been widely held that anyone traveling back in time may actually cause a splitting in the time line. For instance, I go back and stop J.F. K. from being shot. In my own time line, that still happened, but now a new time line branches off from my history and different events take place which means I can't go back to my own time line as well because I am now in an alternate reality. If anyone remembers the t.v. show Sliders, that was pretty much what was going on in each episode. | |
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Posted: 4/18/2009 10:02:51 AM | | ^^^^^^ this is one reason you really have to pay attention to what is going on now and how it relates to previous episodes because you dont really know where they are going to go with this story. I do believe they have gone with a split time line here. Remember Ben telling Jack to take whatever he valued with him as he would never be returning again? I do also believe that Ben has returned to the island not only to be judged ( not sure at about that) about the loss of Alex but more so to change certin aspects of his own life by altering history ( splitting the time line). I have been a fan of the "temporal conundrum" for many years and its one of the reasons I am enjoying where the show is going now. | |
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Posted: 4/20/2009 8:47:59 AM | Anyone know how many series they will have of this show? I mean there are so many things missing i dont see how we will ever work it all out or how they will end it all.
This should be made into a long running soap kind of thing.
I was disapointed with last nights episode, no sign of Ben (either of em), Lock back from the dead, Syeed out there in the jungle all alone. Tis all very weird. No episode next week over here, so very sad | |
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Posted: 4/20/2009 8:58:50 AM | One more season after this one.
No new episode for us this week either, just a silly recap. | |
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Posted: 4/25/2009 7:55:00 PM | | You know something.... they were off the air up through January. Then they come on and start up the new season. And then they give us a recap show? What gives? Come on LOST producers! Your seasons are short as it is! Stop screwing around and tell the dang story! | |
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Posted: 4/26/2009 5:02:56 PM | You know I thihnk the recap is more for teh writers than it is for us. We ( well most of us) are still able to be right there as far as following the story. I think they need teh recaps because they have "lost" their own places in teh storyline and need teh recap to see where they will take it next  | |
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Posted: 4/27/2009 6:02:32 AM | Ok, my guess is something big is going to happen, something totaly unexpected, like more than unexpected than usual so there keeping us holding on by filling in with the recap.
I did think that was a bit pointless really, id have much rather watched a normal episode than the recap. I have all the box sets, i can recap anytime i want to. | |
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Posted: 4/29/2009 4:04:56 PM | Alright, so I hear this stuff about a 2-hour show tonight. However I just checked my satellite guide and it's only 1-hour (and 2 seconds).
What gives? Presidential media bit? | |
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Posted: 4/29/2009 4:38:42 PM | | It's a 1 hour show tonight and next week. 2 weeks from now is the 2 hour season finale. | |
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Posted: 4/29/2009 8:32:35 PM | All I can say is WOW. That had a few twists that I saw coming and yet a few more I didn't. I had a hunch way back that daniel may have a had a more serious connect to whitmore when Ben had said something in a previous episode about why whitmore had to leave the island and that he had also been funding Dans research on time travel. The final scene I didnt see coming until the very last minute ( no pun intended).
I really want to see more of Mr. Alperts story as well as Joshua and what part Christian has to play in whats happening and where the heck is Claire. I am suddenly coming to the realization that they may end the series with Daniels plan succeeding and that is how they will end the series. Man that would really be a cheap ending..especially if I am right and they alter this timeline and none of this would have ever really happened. If this is the way they are going it leaves the story completely open ended in many aspects and open for spin offs, which I would really be dissapoinited about as they are not often as well written as the original. | |
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Posted: 4/30/2009 8:35:45 AM | It's good to see that the survivors are getting out of their lethargic way of life and getting back into being on the run again. But I still think Daniel is wrong. He won't be able to change history. Of course... I don't know. I'm just a spectator of the events. I think it's terrible that his own mother had to send him back to the island just so she could shoot him when he goes back in time. If anything could be changed, don't you think she would have NOT sent him back and just let him be the little boy who liked playing piano?
No... I think that nothing will change and the writers still have an out for getting our lost friends out of the situation their in. Besides, Locke hasn't weighed in on all this yet. | |
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