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Posted: 5/14/2009 6:57:52 PM | Well OP you've half given it away that it's a SHE who gets killed...................I think!
Please don't let it be Kate. I know some people are sick of her but I really-truly-with-all-my-heart want her and Sawyer to end up together at the very end....................
I wish someone would kill off Daniel. It's all gone wrong since him, Charlotte and Miles came to the island.
My favourite character has always been John Locke because I feel he holds the entire story together.
BTW what is Jack doing these days? He just seems to sit around looking sad and bored...........or is it just my imagination??? | |
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Posted: 5/14/2009 8:53:15 PM | | All I can say spicy, is... You will have to wait. I don't want to spoil it anymore than I need to. Don't know how far back you are on the episodes, but I will tell you that Daniel does die. That's the only thing I'll tell you. :) Enjoy! | |
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Posted: 5/14/2009 9:16:40 PM | | Last week, I read somewhere that in an interview, Michael Emerson said that the statue was an Egyptian god of "childbirth"... I don't remember the god's name... some here can look it up, and post it. | |
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Posted: 5/14/2009 9:44:44 PM | Ok Scryer now I can sleep at night knowing that.................... | |
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Posted: 5/15/2009 6:27:29 AM | Adding to my post at (message #400)
Ya know. While I was at work last night I realised that none of us are talking about the old sail type ship that was in the beginning of the season finale.
I bet that's the Black Rock!
The question now is..How does the ship get so far into the jungle?
Perhaps Richard Albert is on that ship. Maybe that's how he comes to the island.
Jacob can defiantly give long lasting life to people. (Which again is represented by the statue holding the Ankh the ancient Egyptian symbol of eternal life.) Remember when John Locke asked Richard why he never ages?.. Richards answer was, "Jacob made me this way".
And as far as "What lies in the shadow of the statue".
Maybe this is a riddle or a play on words. Maybe Ben or Jacob is the "Liar' in the shadow of the statue. (Fibber, not telling the truth)
Or maybe the Dharma Initiative is what lies in the shadow of the statue. Or maybe its Jacob, cuz he lives below the statue.
Here's a long shot
I have seen a bird symbol in the past(Most note ably when Desmond did not push the button in the hatch and all heck broke loose. The those strange symbols flipped down on the countdown clock.
A similar bird symbol in ancient Egyptian is called the Ba. The Ba is what we might call someones personality. It would leave the body at the time of death. During the days the Ba would make itself useful, at night it would return to the tomb. At this time, it would look for the person to which it belonged. This would be the mummy, however, often the Egyptians would supply the Ba with a statue in the likeness of the deceased in case the mummy was lost or damaged.
Perhaps the Ba's mummy was lost or damaged and that statue was built for the Ba. Maybe the Ba is looking for its body?....Maybe the Ba (if its the smoke monster) is upset that its statue is damaged?
Maybe the Ba is what lies in the shadow of the statue. Could the Ba be the smoke monster?
I still do think there could maybe be something with planet X(Nibiru) and the Anunaki.
Guess we will have to wait and find out! They are good at keeping us on our toes! | |
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Posted: 5/15/2009 6:31:05 AM | Speaking of the shadow of the statue, anyone catch Richard's answer? I only speak English, so it went over my head. That answer may have some information in it - or not but I'll never know...
78outdoorsguy good theories.... | |
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Posted: 5/15/2009 6:32:03 AM | Interesting theorites 78, although I'm starting to wonder if they stick these references in the show just to get us more confused!
However, I did notice the full statue in the beginning of the episode.....
As for smokie, I still think that Jacob's friend is/was in control of that and that he possessed Ben's daughter who told Ben to listen to Locke in order to fulfill killing Jacob. It seems like Jacob's friend has been calling the shots of late. Now enter Alana though......But as mentionned Jacob's friend could be Osiris...
I'm kinda thinking that Jacob's "they're coming" referred to the others back in 1977, but whether that's good or bad remains to be seen.... | |
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Posted: 5/15/2009 8:14:41 AM | Possible Transliteration of the Ancient Egyptian smybols in the hatch.
Black Squares (3)
Symbol #1-A folded cloth
Symbol #2-(possibly) a reed shelter
Symbol #3-Dont know..yet
Red Squares (2)
Symbol #4-an Egyptian vulture
Symbol #6-Dont know..yet
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukWufAn8G6Q
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transliteration_of_ancient_Egyptian | |
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Posted: 5/15/2009 9:10:10 AM | Ya know. While I was at work last night I realised that none of us are talking about the old sail type ship that was in the beginning of the season finale.
I bet that's the Black Rock!
The question now is..How does the ship get so far into the jungle?
I just presumed we all kinda knew it was the Black Rock.....
I think perhaps the ship may have crashed for the same reason that the freighter, helicopter etc., all had problems entering the "space" of the island. But it's kinda funny to imagine the ship flying through the air or on land unless it was really picking up speed....
Could the magnetic forces have been in effect back then to "pull" the ship towards the island?
You're right about the symbols on the countdown in the hatch! Forgot about those. The symbols just kinda get slipped in there....
Speaking of the shadow of the statue, anyone catch Richard's answer? I only speak English, so it went over my head. That answer may have some information in it - or not but I'll never know...
I searched on the net and yahoo gave me this:
Ille qui nos omnes servabit
“He who will protect us all.”
Can anyone back that up?
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Posted: 5/16/2009 2:49:52 PM | 78OutdoorsGuy...
You said:
"Jacob can defiantly give long lasting life to people. "
I wasn't aware of any defiance on Jacob's part. | |
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Posted: 5/16/2009 10:10:47 PM | I just couldn't go back and read all these pages right now so apologies if this was already discussed, but...going backwards for a minute from the finale,
...isn't Charlie Desmond and Penny's son? | |
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Posted: 5/16/2009 11:10:34 PM | I liked the finale, but was kind of left frustrated too. Always more questions, then answers. Also, I didn't like the meeting between Jacob, Ben and John. I guess John was on a bit of a revenge mission, but wouldn't he be asking Jacob more questions before asking Ben to kill him? They FINALLY meet Jacob, and it comes down to, stab him, but no questions first! I don't get that at all.
That's the only thing that bugs me about this show sometimes. Everyone is kind of in a "coma" as far as no one seems to be asking questions anymore about what's going on. (except Miles and maybe Hurley) If I was John, and I finally got to meet Jacob, before asking Ben to kill him, I'd be ordering him to answer some of my questions about the island first.
I don't know. I still love this show, but this past season left me a bit annoyed. Tired of so many lose ends all the time. | |
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Posted: 5/17/2009 10:12:06 AM | ^^^I just watched the past few episodes again a couple times, and now know that the guy in the beginning that wanted to kill Jacob (we never got a name) IS the person that appeared to have survived the second crash in the form of John Locke.
Once they arrived back on the island John pretty much mentally took control of most of what was going on, including being able to manipulate Ben, something that was quite the opposite until he killed John in L.A. Along the way it was questioned a few times that Locke would come back to life, as no one had ever seen that before including Richard, and that's a hint as to the fact that John in fact didn't come back - as himself.
John Locke never made it past L.A. (as evidenced by the body that was still on the plane in cargo discovered by the "good guys"), and whoever this person is wanted Jacob dead from the beginning and utilized who he could to just get it done. Therefore "John" as it appeared wouldn't have questions about the island as it's a place he knew better than anyone who brought him there.
The John Locke that landed on that island had a totally different, calm, calculating and at times even ominous personality John Locke never had (wanting to Kill Jacob, wanting to "take care" of the rest of them, telling Sun he wanted to see her back with her husband and later admitting to Ben he didn't mean any of it). This guy simply knew that as John Locke he could get the group of people he encountered to finish a task for him that he'd been planning on since the age the statue was whole.
I also think he was the vision Ben had from Alex underground telling him to blindly follow John or she'd be back to destroy him. Everytime Ben questioned killing Jacob, "John" knew just what to tell him to get him to stop questioning it and continue.
The real question for me now is whether or not Jacob wasn't good or was - based on the encounters he had with all survivors at some point in the past (if indeed that was the actual "Jacob" and not another chanelling on the part of the nemesis). Now that Jacob is dead (or is he? if biblical can he really be killed?) will things be worse or better? | |
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Posted: 5/17/2009 1:29:38 PM | I agree with your assessment womaninprogress...but I'm getting the feeling that Jacob is actually the good guy. Not sure, but that's my latest take on that.
And yeah, that is definitely not THE John Locke; it's the guy who wanted to kill Jacob who must be a shapeshifter.
And I ask again...has it been established that Desmond and Penny's son is Charlie. Has that been confirmed? | |
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Posted: 5/17/2009 2:22:13 PM | ^^^I know she called him Charlie a few times so that's definitely his name, but based on the timeline she may have named him after her dad as Charles II...that would be weird if Penny's son became her dad...if that makes any sense...reminiscent of Chinatown.
I hadn't heard that it was THE Charles Widmore... | |
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Posted: 5/17/2009 3:18:03 PM | | OMG! Is that it? Is that the end? Will we know if they step off that plane in LA? What if the bomb only blew up the 1977 timezone and not the others? They cant just leave it there, can they? | |
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Posted: 5/18/2009 10:28:30 PM | | Hmmmm. I don't think Desmond and Penny's son is Charles her father! But, I do think maybe Charlie, who Desmond did seem to have a connection to on the island, might be their son. Odd, though, they have a Charles and Charlie...that might be a oversight on the part of the writers (though how can no one have noticed that...) Now if they have three Charlies with no connection...Charles, Charlie and baby Charlie, that would be even stranger. | |
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Posted: 5/19/2009 5:10:52 AM | | Yes, Desmond and Penny decided to name the boy after Charlie the, now dead, rock star whom Desmond had befriended and tried to save many times over. I'm thinking that when Hurley first saw Charlie after he had died, it was this person posing as Locke. It could be the man has been posing as a lot of people in order to get to Jacob. But if he was off island and couldn't get back to it, that would make no sense. He is one of the Originals! | |
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Posted: 5/19/2009 7:02:17 AM | I did say in one of my past posts that Jacob's friend could be posing as many dead people in order to find someone to "do his deed".
I'm not sure how anyone missed the fact at the end that Locke really wasn't Locke.....
I also said that Jacob's friend was probably the person that told Ben (as his daughter) to follow Locke.
Or am I posting those theories to another board?......
I also pointed out that I thought that it might be Jacob's friend posing as Charlie for Hurley....but notice that BOTH Jacob and his friend wanted Hurley to go back to the island.
I'm still not convinced of who is evil and who is not. Who knows Jacob could still turn out to be the bad guy.....
I'm also still not convinced that Jacob is dead - he may manifest in someone else or the "they're" (in they're coming) might just fix things. Let's remember that when Ben was shot, they brought him somewhere and fixed him... | |
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Posted: 5/19/2009 2:07:05 PM | After the amount of invested in watching Lost, the producers better have a darn good ending....
My fear is it will end up as just another case of alien abduction.....   | |
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Posted: 5/19/2009 3:58:36 PM | What if they never came back to the island, because they never actually left the island, but were led to believe they left the island......
hmmmmm....
And, Richard Alpert aka guyliner is not wearing eyeliner ..he just has naturally beautiful, dark lashes. (BL -Before Latisse.) Lucky Lostie! | |
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Posted: 5/19/2009 4:11:00 PM | I was agreeing with you Wild Heart. :) I think Jacob wanted Hurley to return to the island because Hurley was one of those he chose to survive the crash. I think Jacob's friend wanted Hurley to go back in order to give him another face to wear while on the island. The devil is in the fine print, so to speak. There is certainly a good vs evil thing going on between Jacob and this other fellow. Both are immortal, yet maybe they can be killed by normal humans. That would suck!
I still look at Ben as the dutiful follower. But when his own leader tells him he's nothing in the grand scheme of things... Ben, instead of accepting his place in that plan, attempts to kill his leader.
Someone mentioned the Blackrock. It is the one that Jacob was watching as it sailed to the island. How it got into the jungle is something we'll find out come next season. Since next season is the final one, every little loose end will be tied up. It will be one heck of a season... but I'm hoping they make it a normally long season and not the short ones they've been having. | |
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Posted: 5/19/2009 4:25:42 PM | I so think they should just end the show right how it left us.......
I Must say this season of "lost" really to me confused the hell outta me and got me less intersted in it....
Not sure if the writers are running outta material but sheesh, all these time warps going back to 77 and all that other stuff just aint cutting it for me | |
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Posted: 5/19/2009 4:35:06 PM | You know the writers strike screwed thigns up a bit in this series ..wouldnt it be a royal pain if the SAG folks went out just before the season was finished shooting? Yeah I know I shoulsdnt have said it but too late now..lol. I am not sure where the series is heading other than to an end but I did have a thought that perhaps our friend Richard Alpert may have been on the Blackrock and that Jacob kept him around to be his go between for all the rest of the folks on the island.
As for Ben being a follower.. I dont buy it in this case. Ben has always felt like he was nothing and that he killed his mother when he was born thanks to his father always reminding him of it. Ben has always been a small man and when Jacob revealed that fact to him in the comment " What about you" . You saw Bens rage at the fact he had long known and only killed Jacob because he thought it was a chance for him to seize power once again.. this time with no orders from Jacob to follow. He has always been hungry for power and has seized every opportunity to take what he can to suit his own agenda.. this will never change IMO. | |
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Posted: 5/20/2009 12:29:08 AM | I agree with you dirtydeeds. It's really "lost" the plot............. | |
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