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Posted: 2/7/2008 3:01:11 AM |
Stonestongue wrote (Msg: 20)
Oh well, if it can't be explained properly in english without being misconstrued, it will have to remain shadowed for me... If the translators couldn't do it right, what chance do you have?(no offence) I would rather learn sanskrit.
First, it can indeed be explained in English. Second, the translators did an impeccable job; nevertheless, languages evolve (e.g. 'prevent' used to mean "come before"). Third, propositions in ANY language—including Sanskrit—are not immune to being misconstrued; hence my implicit reference to the necessity of responsible exegesis. But since this is all tangential, I will say no more about it.
Stonestongue wrote (Msg: 20, cont'd)
Just don't get all bent out of shape when I do the same... That's all... You seem to equate being critical and comparing to "shoving a belief down your throat"... I can do without that nonsense is all.
Think things through a little more carefully, sir, for it is not "nonsense" at all. I do not get "bent out of shape" when someone critically examines my views—ever, because I enjoy criticisms. I do get annoyed, however, when someone shoves their beliefs down my throat, which is quite a different thing and something you did by asserting that I don't know the workings of God any more than you do (Msg: 11).
How so? It's quite obvious, really. Think about it: with whose view is that assertion consistent, mine or yours? It is not consistent with mine at all, so therefore it must be consistent with yours. That is, it's consistent with YOUR view to say that I don't know the workings of God any more than you do. But it's false under mine. Ergo, it was not a criticism of my view but, rather, an assertion of your view. You can disagree with and reject my view, but a 'rejection' is not the same thing as a 'criticism'.
I appreciate your considerations and comments. It is unfortunate, though, that the Christian perspective I offered went unchallenged. Ah well. | |
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Posted: 2/7/2008 4:46:07 AM | | The personality would = known and unknown physics IMO. | |
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Posted: 2/7/2008 5:18:46 AM | For me its somewhat understandable that G-d does not have a personality, its a human characteristic. G-d can only give, constantly, and after studying pretty well all major religions and some of there offshoots have come to realize that G-d does not differentiate. G-d can only give constantly.
"Thou shalt not worship Idols" to me represents that we cannot understand G-d on this level of being. G-d is too deep for our minds. Therefore religion would be an idol also not only a statue but the whole idea of religion period. Its group affermation. G-d itself is neither male or female but creates both from a positive energy and dualism as it states in the Nag Hamandi. I believe in the "Book of Truth".
G-d is unconditional love, apparently, G-d knows whats in our hearts, not our personality. And allows us what we desire. Thats total giving. If your a righteous person then you live in a reality that is what you have created, if your evil or confused, we'll say, you will live in a reality that offers you what you desire. To me the physical plane is "Hell" not the fire and brimstone hell but a place where we manifest our desires so that we can experience sin, Sin is the opposite of G-d. Therefore we come from a plane of existence that does not have sin. We are naive, neophytes just beginning to understand that this world is the opposite of G-d. this is the reason for Christ saying we are all sinners, because this is the world for sin, so that we can come to a realization that G-d and us are One. We got to realize that what we sow is what we reap. Which is a reaction to our desires. Sin is a gift so that we can experience the opposite of G-d until we repent our ways thru reincarnation and a new beginning a new mind.
Were meant to be here even thou we do not belong here.
For me G-ds personality is one of unconditional love and compassion. Life is eternal in the heirachy of the heavens, "In my Fathers house there are many mansions". | |
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Posted: 2/7/2008 5:42:45 AM |
See, I don't believe our future actions could possibly be known to God or whatever you wish to call It... That's where free will comes into play for me... I make my decisions and they aren't known to God until they are made by me... Therefor, in my way, God learns from us and grows through our experiences.
OP, I believe that God knows the outcome to all experiences of ours, therefore has more knowledge based on infinite power unknown to us.
I understand that we have the freedom to make choices, but I don't prescribe to the thought that there is any sense of time with God. There are no human qualities to my God.
Since we are 'Godly'.... with CHOICES to take that 'Godliness' and demolish it or reject it, we have the opportunities to become more or less as God is. But the Source resides in us if we feed it and nurture it. God, to me, already has what we're striving for, but in a more omnipotent amount, and without the "evil" and human qualities.... "Sin"! | |
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Posted: 2/7/2008 7:53:47 AM | Thanks Stone! :)
[zippi
You are twisting the facts, God made man like his image ,and you need to spend sometime on studying and reading
Facts? I think you mean beliefs...
Quite simply, God was humanized in order to comprehend God...
I don't believe we need to think God in those terms today. | |
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Posted: 2/7/2008 8:27:28 AM | This is an interesting question.
I'll approach it as if there was a god.
I don't know what the popular view of personality is or the 'correct' one but I see personality as a narrowing of choices in a predictable fashion. One could say a fully integrated person has way more choices then someone who is at the other end of the spectrum in pathology. Most personality typings focus on the behavioural evidence of neurosis from that comes from a lack of congruency within ones self. A fully functioning human if you could see their personality typing in a graphical representation would be a gently curving line, whilst a person who suffers from extreme neurosis would strong peeks and valley's on the same graph.
If there was a god i doubt that he would be able to be typed as he would be able to choose behaviour that is perfect for each situation knowing the best situation for all concerned. We would look at him and see our own self because we look for the familiar.
If all the religions in the world are right and are relating to a god then they will only be able to relate at the level in which they can understand and god would only be able to relate to them in a way they would understand. So it makes perfect sense that people would see god having a personality.
Just like some tribes depict their god with giant penis's... | |
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Posted: 2/7/2008 8:52:10 AM |
Think things through a little more carefully, sir, for it is not "nonsense" at all. I do not get "bent out of shape" when someone critically examines my views—ever, because I enjoy criticisms. I do get annoyed, however, when someone shoves their beliefs down my throat, which is quite a different thing and something you did by asserting that I don't know the workings of God any more than you do (Msg: 11).
Ummm, no, not really... I'm just saying that no person can claim they know God anymore than anyone else (I mean they can claim it, but it's silly... You have as much chance of that as I or anyone else and vice versa)
How so? It's quite obvious, really. Think about it: with whose view is that assertion consistent, mine or yours? It is not consistent with mine at all, so therefore it must be consistent with yours. That is, it's consistent with YOUR view to say that I don't know the workings of God any more than you do. But it's false under mine.
Yes, but your belief doesn't trump mine, so our chances are even... Get it?
Ergo, it was not a criticism of my view but, rather, an assertion of your view. You can disagree with and reject my view, but a 'rejection' is not the same thing as a 'criticism'.
Correct... I'm not seeing your point... I never rejected anyones view, I'm just comparing them with my own... I'm pretty sure I made that clear... A few times.
I appreciate your considerations and comments.
And I, yours.
It is unfortunate, though, that the Christian perspective I offered went unchallenged. Ah well.
What thread are you reading? | |
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Posted: 2/7/2008 9:02:21 AM | Pappy;
For me G-ds personality is one of unconditional love and compassion. Life is eternal in the heirachy of the heavens, "In my Fathers house there are many mansions".
I like that even tho I don't compare God to a father.
Since we are 'Godly'.... with CHOICES to take that 'Godliness' and demolish it or reject it, we have the opportunities to become more or less as God is. But the Source resides in us if we feed it and nurture it. God, to me, already has what we're striving for, but in a more omnipotent amount, and without the "evil" and human qualities.... "Sin"!
That's fine for you, Bullielover, but as for myself, I don't believe in "sin"(I don't believe in a "mark" we are supposed to hit) just actions we must learn from... I don't believe we are growing to perfection, I believe we are perfection growing... If you were to say Jesus was the example of perfection, I disagree... I don't think Jesus was anymore of God that you or I.
I don't believe we need to think God in those terms today.
Indeed Sky... Indeed.
Crazylilting;
If all the religions in the world are right and are relating to a god then they will only be able to relate at the level in which they can understand and god would only be able to relate to them in a way they would understand. So it makes perfect sense that people would see god having a personality.
Who was it... Descartes? That said if triangles had a god it would have three sides? I do think there's some truth to all personal truths, but that no one view has captured God truthfully, for to me, God is always changing and growing. | |
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Posted: 2/7/2008 9:07:50 AM | YOU GO """"RYFT""""" Well put, well explained, just well all the way around..... | |
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Posted: 2/7/2008 9:13:49 AM | TURMALI;
YOU GO """"RYFT""""" Well put, well explained, just well all the way around.....
Even tho I disagree with the views put forth by the Christian perspective (as defined by Ryft), I am glad it made someone else smile. | |
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Posted: 2/7/2008 11:45:04 AM |
Stonestongue wrote (Msg: 36)
I'm just saying that no person can claim they know God anymore than anyone else . . .
I'm quite aware of what you are saying. The fact is that it's a statement stemming from and consistent with YOUR view. It is neither a consequence of my view nor is it consistent with it. Do you understand? So when you sit there and presume to tell me what I do or don't know, you are effectively shoving your beliefs down my throat.
To 'critically examine' my view requires examining it under its own terms—not in light of yours. You may point out that our views conflict; that is not a criticism of my view. You may disagree with my view; that also is not a criticism of my view. You may completely reject my view; that likewise is not a criticism of my view. A criticism takes my view under its own terms and evaluates its coherence and consistency under its own terms. When it comes to criticism qua criticism, YOUR view is always irrelevant to the task.
Stonestongue wrote (Msg: 36, cont'd)
Yes, but your belief doesn't trump mine, so our chances are even... Get it?
UNDER MY VIEW, it is possible for one person to know more about God than someone else. UNDER YOUR VIEW, one person does not know anything more about God than someone else; "our chances are even," as you put it. You are certainly entitled to hold that view. However, (1) I am just as entitled to hold my view, and (2) yours does not trump mine. Put another way, my view stands or falls under its own terms; your view dictates nothing over mine. We hold competing views, and they each stand or fall under their own terms.
Ergo, you do not tell me what I do or don't know.
Stonestongue wrote (Msg: 36, cont'd)
I'm just comparing [other views] with my own... I'm pretty sure I made that clear... A few times.
Perhaps you need to take more care with your wording, then, because you did not say that my view is inconsistent with your own (a point so obvious that it's uncompelling). What you said was categorically stronger, for you phrased it as a truth claim: "You don't know the workings of God any more than I do." That is stated as a truth claim, not as a comparative analysis. I cannot know what you meant to write. I can only know what you did write, and that is what I am able to respond to. When something is phrased as a truth claim, I respond to it accordingly.
Stonestongue wrote (Msg: 36, cont'd)
What thread are you reading?
Your facetious rhetoric is unnecessary, sir, and poor form. Why don't you instead indicate where the Christian view I presented was challenged here? The following are the views I stated that have not been challenged:
1. God's personality did not 'develop'. It's as eternal as God is.
2. God's values are not acquired. They are as eternal as God is.
3. Moral order is not something that transcends God, to which he is subject.
4. God does not 'grow'. God is who he is, eternally.
5. Eternal omniscience defies growing from experiences. | |
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Posted: 2/7/2008 12:07:49 PM | Stone:
Who was it... Descartes? That said if triangles had a god it would have three sides? I do think there's some truth to all personal truths, but that no one view has captured God truthfully, for to me, God is always changing and growing. I agree... well said :)
I don't believe we are growing to perfection, I believe we are perfection growing... I think that that is one of the snazziest things I have ever read! I love that sentiment!!
My daughter once said that we are all cells in the body of God....
In that sense, to me... we are God's personality.... the many facets shining back in a beautiful holograhic reciprocity :)
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Posted: 2/7/2008 12:25:02 PM | Sassy,
You have a very special daughter...
My daughter once said that we are all cells in the body of God....
In that sense, to me... we are God's personality.... the many facets shining back in a beautiful holograhic reciprocity :)
I can't begin to tell you how accurate of a statement she has made...
Living creatures all have cells, they function on there own, brain cells, skin cells, liver, heart, etc... Yet they are all part of a whole.... Each has a specific function, and carry on this function often time indepent of interaction with others..
That is incredible... | |
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Posted: 2/7/2008 1:42:05 PM |
Sassy, You have a very special daughter... Thanks :) I am obviously biased, but I think so too :)
Living creatures all have cells, they function on there own, brain cells, skin cells, liver, heart, etc... Yet they are all part of a whole.... Each has a specific function, and carry on this function often time indepent of interaction with others.. .. separately in unison... just like us :) | |
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Posted: 2/7/2008 2:48:36 PM | I'm quite aware of what you are saying. The fact is that it's a statement stemming from and consistent with YOUR view. It is neither a consequence of my view nor is it consistent with it. Do you understand? So when you sit there and presume to tell me what I do or don't know, you are effectively shoving your beliefs down my throat.
Ah geez! I'll try this once more.
Nobody knows who has the perspective closest to God, no matter what you or I believe... If that goes against your beliefs I'm sorry but this isn't the place for exclusivity, whether exclusivity is part of your view or not is irrellevant to this thread... This thread is for comparing... Please don't make me go over this again.
1) I am just as entitled to hold my view, and (2) yours does not trump mine. Put another way, my view stands or falls under its own terms; your view dictates nothing over mine. We hold competing views, and they each stand or fall under their own terms.
That is what I just finished saying... Would you knock it off?
for you phrased it as a truth claim: "You don't know the workings of God any more than I do." That is stated as a truth claim, not as a comparative analysis. I cannot know what you meant to write. I can only know what you did write, and that is what I am able to respond to. When something is phrased as a truth claim, I respond to it accordingly.
As do I... I reworded it to suit your needs once already... We have equal chance at knowing God... Doesn't matter what we believe to know.
Your facetious rhetoric is unnecessary, sir, and poor form. Why don't you instead indicate where the Christian view I presented was challenged here? The following are the views I stated that have not been challenged:
Oh for crying in a bucket! Ok, here we go! I can't believe you need me to repeat myself once again!
These are my opinions... I am not shoving my beliefs down your throat, any further accusations of the like will be ignored, understood?
1. God's personality did not 'develop'. It's as eternal as God is.
God's personality did indeed develope from having none to incorporating ours... Eternal doesn't mean stagnant, perfection can grow to take change into account... Everything changes.
2. God's values are not acquired. They are as eternal as God is.
Value is a human concept which is incorporated into the view of God... They grow as God does.
3. Moral order is not something that transcends God, to which he is subject.
God did not have morals until It witnessed pain and suffering through our pain and suffering.
4. God does not 'grow'. God is who he is, eternally.
God grows... Eternally... As the future unfolds, so does God learn and grow.
5. Eternal omniscience defies growing from experiences.
God only knows all of what has occured so far... Knowing all doesn't include what hasn't occured as of yet... The future doesn't exist yet, thus it is unknown to God.
You can easily go back and see where I presented these counter points in this very thread already... Anyone can see them plain as day. | |
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Posted: 2/7/2008 2:51:32 PM | My daughter once said that we are all cells in the body of God....
In that sense, to me... we are God's personality.... the many facets shining back in a beautiful holograhic reciprocity :)
That's what I believe too... Cool!
Living creatures all have cells, they function on there own, brain cells, skin cells, liver, heart, etc... Yet they are all part of a whole.... Each has a specific function, and carry on this function often time indepent of interaction with others..
That is incredible...
Out of the mouths of babes... It is incredible isn't it? | |
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Posted: 2/7/2008 4:15:21 PM | If Eve (the mother of womankind) was made from the ribs of Adam, as we are told, then why do we think 'gods' personality is something entirely seperate from us, except a force, unchanging, unyeilding and something to be feared? or questioned?
I believe that He/She/the higher power is within us all.... i acknowledge that, i was brought up with these beliefs... therefore is not my personality part of "god"??? Compassion, forgiveness, kindness, empathy, love, respect for other peoples' beliefs, TOLERANCE and all the rest of the things that make up MY personality, i believe come from my physiological and spiritual makeup, and the growth in said personality come from my association with what i believe "god" is.
and that's not a 'truth' to all, that's a belief....not in a something, but in the inate goodness we are all capable of....... THIS to me, IS the personality of god. | |
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Posted: 2/7/2008 4:15:37 PM |
That's fine for you, Bullielover, but as for myself, I don't believe in "sin"(I don't believe in a "mark" we are supposed to hit) just actions we must learn from... I don't believe we are growing to perfection, I believe we are perfection growing... If you were to say Jesus was the example of perfection, I disagree... I don't think Jesus was anymore of God that you or I.
OP, I never brought Jesus into the conversation, as I don't believe him to be anyone other than a prophet to man. My thoughts are that he was just that....a prophet..... but not perfect by any stretch of the imagination.
"Sin", to me, is nothing more than the CHOICE to do wrong... it's not about "hitting a mark," it's about purposely NOT hitting it, or going against what you KNOW to be the truth.
Though I don't agree that we're perfection. I think we used to be, before allowing ourselves to be programmed or programming our own minds.... but unlearning that which has been conditioned has left us less than perfect and further away from God, as I see it. | |
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Posted: 2/7/2008 4:40:41 PM | Bullielover....you DAWG!!!! i understand what you're saying.... about thinking we're becoming less perfect as we seperate our rational mind and choices from what we innately know to be right or wrong. The 10 commandments are common sense, but as we grow, expand and have more power legally to exercise our free will, i personally believe that this is what our higher power believes we NEED to do in order to become more perfect, to recapture the original purity of our souls, hearts, consciences and minds.
I don't believe we are growing to perfection, I believe we are perfection growing.
stonestongue, you have a way of putting things that just hit me right to the core.....that's what i've been trying to express..... all be it badly. hooray for freedom of thought, expressiom and beliefs..... what a boring world if we all had no personality, no individualism. | |
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Posted: 2/7/2008 5:50:56 PM | | Perhaps the perception of what we wish God to be is what we ourselves want to be. Maybe God is a concept, maybe God is just Universal energy that flows through everything and everyone and the only way we can really comprehend "God" is if we attempt to personify that energy and make it like we are, or like we wish to be. | |
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Posted: 2/7/2008 8:25:23 PM | OP, I never brought Jesus into the conversation, as I don't believe him to be anyone other than a prophet to man. My thoughts are that he was just that....a prophet..... but not perfect by any stretch of the imagination.
Sorry if I put words in your mouth... Just that there is no model of perfection since we are all unique (and perfectly so I may add)... Alot of people talk of striving for perfection and use Jesus as a model and without a model there is no set definition of perfection since everyone has a different take on God.
But make no mistake... I like your viewpoint... Just comparing.
stonestongue, you have a way of putting things that just hit me right to the core.....that's what i've been trying to express..... all be it badly. hooray for freedom of thought, expressiom and beliefs..... what a boring world if we all had no personality, no individualism.
Aww, thanks!
Have missed your thoughts here, Kiwi... Yeah... We would never grow or learn anything if we weren't all unique... Your uniqueness always adds insight to my own.
Maybe God is a concept, maybe God is just Universal energy that flows through everything and everyone and the only way we can really comprehend "God" is if we attempt to personify that energy and make it like we are, or like we wish to be.
Just curious... Is this what you believe or are you reserving your right to weigh what makes sense to you as it comes? I see nothing wrong with it either way.
Id could be the Flying Spaghetti Monster so we could all have it wrong.
Mmmmm... Nooodly appendages... Ugahhhmmmmm! 8^) | |
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Posted: 2/7/2008 11:15:23 PM |
believe that He/She/the higher power is within us all.... i acknowledge that, i was brought up with these beliefs... therefore is not my personality part of "god"??? Compassion, forgiveness, kindness, empathy, love, respect for other peoples' beliefs, TOLERANCE and all the rest of the things that make up MY personality, i believe come from my physiological and spiritual makeup, and the growth in said personality come from my association with what i believe "god" is.
and that's not a 'truth' to all, that's a belief....not in a something, but in the inate goodness we are all capable of....... THIS to me, IS the personality of god.
Kiwi, I understand and appreciate what you are saying... One thing I would like to point out on your theory, or belief..
Under what you have described Gods personality is also that of hatred, abuse, power hungry, cruel, perverted, intolerance, prejudice, etc etc as well.. Because if God exists in all things living, then God would also exist and be apart of those that have these less desirable personalities as well.
How do we seperate that... God has good, but does not have bad. God only has love, but does not have hate.
Is it that man kind and living creatures (because animals have personalities too) have their own personality, but God is of only love, peace, care, tolerance understanding, etc.
Did God learn to have these things from another source, Like God school?
If God just is, and if human creatures are an extension of God, then we are Gods personality. God just has to give us life force, and then gets to experience all things through God' creations, whether that be good or bad.
This is such a deep and wonderful process of thought...
I know when I reach into my higher spiritual self there are amazing things I see, I experiences, and I know.
I like being a spirit living a human journey, because I can physical feel the good, as well as the not good... I may not like the not good at all, but I do know that when I am experiencing the good, that I work hard at making things good.
So many questions.... | |
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Posted: 2/7/2008 11:51:11 PM |
Under what you have described Gods personality is also that of hatred, abuse, power hungry, cruel, perverted, intolerance, prejudice, etc etc as well.. Because if God exists in all things living, then God would also exist and be apart of those that have these less desirable personalities as well.
does that make it GODS fault that we are condemned to our own free will??? nobody MAKES anyone do anything that contradicts the innate goodness of my fellow man/woman. This is freedom of choice.... if you want to be bad, no GOD is going to stop you.... you have to battle with the righteous and the unrighteous within your soul/brain... whatever.... no i am not saying that GOD is perfect, i believe we are all a part of said god, and that the freewill that has been given us is a self determining judgement on our OWN personality. you can't blame GOD for everything.
If God just is, and if human creatures are an extension of God, then we are Gods personality. God just has to give us life force, and then gets to experience all things through God' creations, whether that be good or bad.
so what is the conundrum?? there will always be yin and yang, good and bad, male and female, and our life experiences will shape our own individual personalities, not necessarily to "gods'" specifications..... but to the individuals.
that is y we have free will.... gods' "personality" (and this i find an oxymoron, since when has god been a person????)is not just reflected by the good, but by the bad, the evil and the downright ugly.
we all have the choice to be true to ourselves, what has gods' personality got to do with anything?
nexthyme..... thanks for the questions.....it makes us stronger to question our own beliefs. | |
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Posted: 2/8/2008 1:27:48 AM |
Stonestongue wrote (Msg: 45)
You can easily go back and see where I presented these counter points in this very thread already... Anyone can see them plain as day.
Exactly. You presented an alternative perspective. The one I presented went unchallenged, and still remains that way. Like I said, "Ah well."
Until they are challenged, I have nothing further to add to this thread of yours. I said my piece; no one has challenged it, so there's nothing more to add. | |
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Posted: 2/8/2008 8:45:47 AM | Kiwi,
does that make it GODS fault that we are condemned to our own free will??? nobody MAKES anyone do anything that contradicts the innate goodness of my fellow man/woman. This is freedom of choice.... if you want to be bad, no GOD is going to stop you....
I do not blame any bad on any person, power, God, etc. I also get annoyed when people say they did bad because satan tempted them. I find that is just passing the buck of ones own behavior to something bad.
I believe there are forces that are of bad, and if allowed to be apart of ones life, these energies will feed upon it, as long as the host human is willing to create the negative energy.
My point is, that if we are all extensions of God, then what ever thing we bring to the table, good or bad, that that part also becomes part of God.
Perhaps like wonderful parents that have raised children, and despite all the love and care that was given. These children go out into the world and become substance addicts, abusers, burglars, etc. These children would still be apart of us, and that darkness they brought would then become part of the family as an ever presence of sadness and dispare.
It wouldn't be because of the parents, but rather of the will these children had to chose.
I grew up in an extremely abusive family. There was hate, intolerance, anger violence. My parents worked extremely hard to take me out of the world, because I was different. I didn't have a need to fight, to be hateful, or be unkind and uncaring.
As an adult I certainly made my mistakes, but I have some really wonderful kids, and friendships that are very meaningful and positive. I am not a bitter person, nor do I carry grudges when I have been wronged. These things I have made as a choice for myself. I know I came into this world with my own personality, and it wasn't what existed in my family.
I don't see God as a person myself, but rather an immense energy. Not an entity that asks for people to kill in Gods name, nor one to demand being worshipped in the way some religions demand.
I think the power of giving love, tolerance, care, acceptance, etc is what gives strength to this powerful energy. As do I believe that anger, hatred, intolerance, takes away, or poisons the power of good.
What I liked about your previous post, is that it got me to thinking how the yin and yang fit within the spectrum. It helps me define more what I believe and consider in my life.
I don't want to just do good, because that is what I think God expects of me, that would take away free will. I want to do good, and make positive change because that would increase the power of Love, joy, hope and healing.
Thanks, I appreciate input and different ideas. It helps as I work out finding my true higher spiritual self, and how I fit in this spectrum of being. | |
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