| Yes means No?
Posted: 7/24/2009 6:39:24 AM |
I have been called a wimp because i took no as no.
These kinds of women hate men. Obviously, in a situation like that , you would have been screwed either way (whether rightly stopping or continuing and getting the rape charge). The solution is to avoid the catty, spiteful type who are into one-upmanship. Fortunately, only a very small percentage of women are this damaged or twisted. Also, fortunately, they are easy to screen out early in the dating process and to avoid.  | |
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| Yes means No?
Posted: 7/24/2009 7:50:07 AM | No means Know.
Until you know it is a no. | |
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| Yes means No?
Posted: 7/24/2009 8:29:14 AM | From page 1 by Lyndee1 ...
-Sometimes "no" means "no".
-Sometimes "no" means "no" but you have my permission to try and talk me into changing my mind.
-Sometimes "no"means "no" but if you keep it up you might wear me down
-Sometimes "no"means "no" but don't stop what you are doing.
And, sometimes "no" just means "no"... all depends on the time, place, person, and activity.
The TONE used will usually give a good indicaton of the certainty (or not) of the word "NO" or "noooo" or "nope" , "nadda" ....
But, play it safe ... take "no" as a "no" , especially if it's with someone you have no idea how to "read". | |
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| Yes means No?
Posted: 7/24/2009 9:25:50 AM | oop .. meant to edit that .. but computer froze.
Yeah, "yes" can mean "no" for some people ... especially if they are indecisive or scared to hurt another's feelings by saying "no". | |
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Posted: 7/24/2009 10:34:50 AM | | Rapist, sex offender many other words come to mind. If you had a clue or any type of maturity you would realize that you are implying that if a women is hot, you have a right to her body. Get a brain. And any women who would deal with you would be putting her life and body in danger. | |
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Posted: 7/24/2009 10:51:17 AM | | Take no for no... bet kobe and now ben roe..(not goin to spell his last name mind big nfl steelers dude) wish they had done that:) girls sometimes try to play games but if u dont want to end up playing drop the soap in the jails shower keep to no is no:) no confusion no issues no drama:) | |
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Posted: 7/24/2009 11:00:50 AM | heck I am bored so sure why not.
on finite threads these days (coughs - wonder why!!!) or forever vanishing valid threads - tow the line norty wicked
anyone else notice
or tis it all a dream
and perhaps i meant the opposite of what i said
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| Yes means No?
Posted: 7/24/2009 11:47:53 AM |
The TONE used will usually give a good indicaton of the certainty (or not) of the word "NO" or "noooo" or "nope" , "nadda" ....
How long is the idiocy going to keep resurfacing on this thread? 
The tone is not a factor at all, ever.
Some guy who's on trial for rape will have no defense whatsoever by claiming that a woman's tone made it OK for him to continue. 
The people on this thread who are obfuscating the issue seem like bad people. This is really not a funny or cute topic. | |
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| Yes means No?
Posted: 7/24/2009 11:11:51 PM | | Oh relax, Spitfire ... Put together the whole post, not just pick one sentence to get your fur in a knot over. Right above, it says "depends on the time, place, person, and activity". Right below it says "take no as a no, especially if it's with someone you have no idea how to read". Put it all together and it is really not so idiotic... | |
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Posted: 7/24/2009 11:19:13 PM | The ONLY time NO means YES :
When you offer her a bite of your dessert, (and I mean food,not the er ehum you know ) then you just better slide the plate her way. | |
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Posted: 7/25/2009 7:10:03 AM |
Oh relax, Spitfire ... Put together the whole post, not just pick one sentence to get your fur in a knot over. Right above, it says "depends on the time, place, person, and activity"
The laws virtually everywhere don't make the meaning of "no" dependent on the time, place, person, and activity. So, without very specific examples of the "exceptions" you're proposing, you're not being accurate in your post.
Right below it says "take no as a no, especially if it's with someone you have no idea how to read". Put it all together and it is really not so idiotic...
Truly laughable. Most convicted compensatory or power-reassurance rapists usually think they were reading the women well despite a clear "no". Believing that you know "how to read" someone is not relevant legally.
You don't know what you're talking about at all. Definitely wouldn't want some young guy to read some of these replies and start using situational ethics against a spoken "no". It's Russian roulette.  | |
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Posted: 7/25/2009 7:31:32 AM | No means "NO" when it comes out of my mouth. If a person ignores my "NO", something bad will come out of their mouth.
Take "no" seriously. I have seen the results of ignoring it, and it is not a pretty sight. | |
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Posted: 7/26/2009 8:10:02 AM | | Spitfire. Part of our problem is that you are thinking of rape situations, whereas I am talking about normal day-to-day relations ... and simply where one can be convinced to change their no to a yes, or yes to a no. Nevermind though ... the point is lost and we are going off topic. | |
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Posted: 7/26/2009 1:06:04 PM | I am talking about normal day-to-day relations ...
What many people don't understand is that a normal date or a mundane interaction between two people can become a rape scenario very quickly when someone is simply ignorant. Rapists usually aren't monster-boogeymen-psychos who jump out of the bushes. They can be otherwise decent guys who are very ignorant about how to listen to a partner in a dating situation. Mix in a little alcohol, presumption, and a lack of self-control, and a decent, normal person can become a rapist.
By saying that a decent dude can become a rapist, I'm not minimizing the crime. These guys need to be put underneath the prison for a long time. Rapists are filth. They're scum. But, simple ignorance and bad judgment (rather than a depraved nature) can lead a person to a set of decisions during a sexual encounter which culminate in rape. That's how it happens, more often than not. That's why joking around on this thread and blurring the lines concerning the No means No statement can be very damaging.
A look at post #67 may help those who are still confused about how a normal date or encounter can become a rape. Pull your head out of your ass.
and simply where one can be convinced to change their no to a yes, or yes to a no.
I doubt a thread would be needed to discuss whether "No" means "Yes" to a suggestion about which restaurant to go to or what channel to watch on TV. Give me a break. The thread is about "no/yes" in relation to completing sex. | |
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Posted: 7/31/2009 9:10:43 PM | | Well said. Thank you for putting some input. It is scary to think that some idiot. Especially how quickly what may seem like consensual sex between two people can turn really ugly, if the message is not heard clear enough. Date rape is so dangerous for women, and young women in particular, put drugs or alcohol in the mix and the danger is greater. Thank you again. | |
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Posted: 7/31/2009 9:48:13 PM | tbone when it comes to sex you should be clear that no means no.
Everything else...hmmm. I have actually decided not take a step toward someone because of reasons I felt were good but then wanted to kick myself in the rump for it when I realized "damn it I do like him" but I said NO.
Just take life as it comes and try to make the right decisions...you won't always do right by yourself but I believe if things are meant to be, they will be.
Don't get me wrong....fate has alot to do...sometimes you have to give it a hand | |
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Posted: 7/31/2009 10:06:04 PM | This is the most stupid question I ever heard a guy ask.
The truth is it's complicated (no it should not be but bear with me) and if you can't figure out why you should try putting yourself in someone else's shoes for five minutes. No it should not be complicated and in this day and age all that ambiguity should be left behind but it's not. I'm not saying it's right. I'm just saying it IS. And there are many factors that still make it so, although plenty of people who live in a fantasy world would say that's all history. It's not.
Anyway of course no should mean no and yes should mean yes but like I said, the world is complicated and you should know that by now. Don't act like only women send mixed messages. Men do it to. They act like they want a relationship when they know they don't, just to trick girls who don't like meaningless detached sex to give it up, thinking it comes with condiments when it's just plain Jane unseasoned meat. You know what I mean. Have you ever tried totally unseasoned steak with no sauce, no ketchup nothing, just plain meat. It's gross. You know what I mean. No matter how hungry I am I'd rather eat.....myself than...oh well that's another thread.
Listen if you want to use someone like a tissue then how about you be up front about it for a change and stop pretending - acting like women are the only ones that play games. We play games because you do too. Get over it.
And don't chide anyone because they don't want sex without deep regard and desire for their sex partner. Just because you like sharing body fluids with total strangers that you hope will **** off home as soon as you come doesn't mean everyone else should too. Use your hand.
I once had this convo with a guy who insisted he would be cool with it if I had sex with him and then told him to **** off after I came so I had a real quick orgasm and then told him to **** off. He was super pissed off. Thought I was joking. No means no but only when it suits I suppose.
Either way, take no as no and keep yourself safe otherwise like one other poster said, talk to your cellmate about it and frankly, I think you'd deserve it just for being so stupid as to push the issue. | |
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| Yes means No?
Posted: 7/31/2009 10:14:16 PM |
Fortunately, only a very small percentage of women are this damaged or twisted.
There are about as many damaged women as there are lying players who use women like cum receptacles to be used for one blow and discarded like a used kleenex. Many are resilient and hide it or play you guys at your own game but basically you really should read more forums to figure out how much damage this does??? Resilient and forgiving as people are, people get hurt when they are played. Men and women - no difference.
People are only fine with user sex when they are the user while the other is the usee. They hate it when you just want to take a ride on their disco stick, get off and walk away. Don't kid yourself you like it. Nobody wants to be discarded....even by someone they don't want. | |
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| Yes means No?
Posted: 8/1/2009 3:19:50 PM | | im not sure i understand your thread but what i have learned over the years is to not go by what people say but by their actions and behaviors. a person's behaviors and actions should match their words and if they don't there is a problem and you need to follow what the behaviors and actions are telling you. | |
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| Yes means No?
Posted: 8/1/2009 5:15:29 PM | | Where I am from if someone interprets "no" as "yes" you win a trip to jail in a shining new police car. | |
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Posted: 8/1/2009 5:24:20 PM | This isn't really happening, is it? I mean, come on. Does NO mean YES? Sure, just like RED means BLUE and UP means JELLO.
Who in their right mind would say that NO ever means YES? If that were the case, then the answer to the question "Are those people out of their minds?" would be NO. | |
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| Yes means No?
Posted: 8/1/2009 5:24:43 PM |
Where I am from if someone interprets "no" as "yes" you win a trip to jail in a shining new police car. Ditto! ...
Since when did NO translate to a YES? LOL not in any language. | |
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| Yes means No?
Posted: 8/1/2009 10:07:12 PM | Don't...stop...don't...stop is different from DON'T! STOP!
Otherwise, I would take a no to mean no. | |
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| Yes means No?
Posted: 8/2/2009 12:20:26 AM | | For heaven's sake, life's hard enough when yes means yes, and no means no. | |
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| Yes means No?
Posted: 8/2/2009 2:07:40 AM | | For me, no means no, and yes can mean maybe. | |
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