jimi77
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Posted: 9/14/2004 8:26:28 PM | If there is a GOD and he is holy and will not tollerate sin (Disobediance). or wrong doing like we all in our hearts know when we do wronge. then that places us in the bad box. so if GOD punishes sin and we all sin and all fall short. were does that leave us? in punishment. performance (being good) won't cut it because we sin daily. that leaves only one place to look for forgivness. kind of cleaver if you ask me.... JESUS a perfect scarifice to cover that sin. i am not trying to preach here just stating my view.
I like this thread, no figthing but people talking. that is good. | |
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jimi77
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| Re: "RELIGION"..............Does it just get in the way?
Posted: 9/14/2004 9:26:06 PM | | sin is any thing that goes againt god..rebellion. it dosent matter if you belive in it or not. i might not belive that that i am going to die one day but that dosent make it true because i belive that. The truth is still the truth if we belive it or not or know it or not. we know when we have done somthing wronge. even people on the most isolated island know right and wronge it is born in to us. | |
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yna6
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| Re: "RELIGION"..............Does it just get in the way?
Posted: 9/15/2004 12:17:19 AM | Right and wrong isn't born into us...we are taught it. Just like we are taught to fear. From the earliest moments of our lives we are taught. Example...bite mommies boob a bit too hard, there goes your milk...so you learn to not bite so hard, and get to keep the milk supply going. Ok...that is a simple one, but true. And one of the first things you learned...if you were breast fed, that is.
Many wars and lives lost because of religion...or it had an indirect cause in it. Either way, both sides feel they are "right"....which is where we get the expression "might makes right."
It has been said that killing yourself is a sin...I figure hurting yourself deliberatly is just plain stupid....killing yourself? hmmm...well...at least the gene pool gets a little cleaner huh? | |
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Posted: 9/15/2004 3:04:12 PM | | Someone told me this before and it stuck to me... "Believeing in God is sort of like a gamble, if He's right then I gain everything, If he's wrong I lose nothing." I for one do Believe in God and Jesus Christ as my savior, in every religion there are things in it's history to make you question your walk, but thats where Faith comes into play, I don't care If you Believe in God, Allah , Jesus or an atheist or an agnostic.. What you believe is what you believe and I respect that, I beleieve everyone should and not look down on you for what you do, but thats our world, I hope and wish the best for everyone anything that you believe that will make move forward instead of backwards is the best track for you. <3 | |
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yna6
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Joined: 5/2/2004
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Posted: 9/18/2004 2:10:48 PM | "Sin" to me isn't "doing something ethical" or "doing what YOU think is ethical", it's following the rules of God.
For example, in this country the general consensus is that people shouldn't have sex until they are "ready". Usually, this means you've hit puberty. In other countries, pre-marital sex is a horrible crime. Note that this country (I mean the US) has seen an unprecedented wave of things like teen pregnancies, single parents, child pornography, homosexuality, STD's, etc. Maybe you believe in the sexual revolution and don't see these things as bad. If you think porn-addict child molester and AIDS aren't bad, I'm wasting my time debating. God sees these things as bad. God sees the long-term aggregate societal effect of things, and makes rules for a reason.
Another example: God gives dietary laws. He says people (at least the Israelites, as I have read it) shouldn't eat shellfish. This makes sense: shellfish live at the bottom of the ocean. There are trace amounts of all kinds of minerals, metals and other stuff floating in the ocean. The heavier ones, especially metals, sink to the bottom. This includes things like lead, mercury, arsenic and the like. When we eat lobster, we're getting high doses of these things. People wouldn't have known about this 2000 years ago, so God made a rule and people simply had to follow, based on faith. In order for people to have faith, they had to see acts of God to know that He existed, and that his rules were for real.
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Unfortunately, man is an incredibly destructive creature. MANY of the large ancient libraries (and museums) have been burned to the ground. Ex: there was actually more than one fire-destruction of the Great Library of Alexandria. MOST (99%+) of the documents and artifacts which are vital to understanding religion, or ancient history, have been lost or destroyed. Out of the little trinkets we have left, much of it has been perverted to suit the needs of someone in charge. There have always been huge under-the-table connections between religious and political leaders.
In the US, churches are required by the IRS (forced, actually) to file as a tax-exempt Not-for-profit corporation; this is a 501-(c)-3, I believe under title 26 USC. This puts them under contract, and that contract contains hundreds of pages of do's and dont's. Basically, the government dictates what we are allowed to hear, and supposed to hear, when it comes to our religious beliefs.
Preachers CANNOT define the term "Usery" as it appears in the Bible -- God condemns usery, yet this is the foundation for our entire monetary system, from the World Bank to local banks to credit cards. We're taught to pay our taxes, to support the President and all wars, to cooperate with authorities, to get a driver's licence and support gay rights.
I could ramble on 50x this much, but I'll let it go for now. If you want the truth go rent the original Matrix movie. Then send me some hateful PM's, I look forward to hearing from ya. Peace. | |
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Posted: 9/18/2004 3:29:59 PM | | the unforgivable sin is to use the lords name in vain.... this doen't mean when you swear like god damn or jesus christ... it means when you say god wants you to go kill israel children and you will get 72 12 year old virgins in heaven. | |
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jimi77
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Joined: 7/13/2004
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yna6
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jimi77
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| "RELIGION"..............Does it just get in the way?
Posted: 3/13/2005 7:47:24 PM | | No. It doesn't. Because when you reach the age of adulthood, you have been given the free will to decided whether what has been taught to you is right or wrong and seek the truth. | |
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Posted: 3/13/2005 7:50:32 PM | | Ynas: There is no such thing as killing other people or yourself so that you would be served grapes by virgins. Killing yourself or any other people means that you are claiming divinity as you are taking the soul that has it is appointed time of death. | |
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Posted: 3/13/2005 7:56:01 PM | Mythology and belief make the world go round... "democracy", "the free market", "rock'n roll", "communism", "love", "the stock market", "Americans are good"... it's all based on beliefs.
None of these things are what they're cracked up to be... they're all different than they say the are, but they work good enough to get us through the days. That's what it's all about.
Spiritually, I believe in the teachings of Jesus. He never taught us to kill anyone or go to war. He taught us forgiveness and alot of ways to love people. I'm thankful for that...It means I don't have to kill anyone or commit suicide. :-D | |
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Posted: 3/13/2005 7:59:14 PM |
MANY of the large ancient libraries (and museums) have been burned to the ground. Ex: there was actually more than one fire-destruction of the Great Library of Alexandria.
NEWS FLASH
The christians burnt that great library. The christians burnt, destroyed, invaluable works of art & books because it was blasphemy/obscene/contrary to their beliefs. Thaaat's right....the same christians who gave you your god. | |
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Posted: 3/13/2005 9:12:52 PM | There are verses in different scriptures that might be talking about a specific event or war, which are taken out of context and then presented as the base for war announced through that religion. If you go through the Bible as well, you do come across verses that promote violence.
Here are two verses, for example.
"Kill every little boy." Numbers 31:7
"Kill all the infants and suckling babies." 1 Samuel 15:3 | |
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Posted: 3/14/2005 12:27:25 AM | Yes, I believe that religion gets in the way of true personal spirituality. Religion is by default very ritualistic and oftentimes rigid (e.g. there are strict rules and regulations that you must adhere to in order to receive rewards or win favor).
I think that religion is something that you can learn or it can be forced upon you, however spirituality is a personal journey that you must take yourself when you are ready to explore the area.
What I don't like however, is when people use spirituality as a justification for not being religious (e.g. "I don't go to church because I'm a spiritual person"). I realize people have all sorts of reasons for justifying their actions, but I just hate to hear it. If you're an adult, make the choice and live with it. Don't give some half-a$$ed rationalization about why you do or don't engage in certain things. It's your own personal choice, and you really shouldn't have to justify it to anybody but God.
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Posted: 3/14/2005 1:50:59 AM |  As I have stated friquently
RELIGON is anything you do with Frequency,like talking a bath or going to the bar or making and saving MONEY...(-;
 Now RELATIONSHIP is a whole other matter,If you have a Relationship with JESUS CHRIST through The Empowerment of The Holy Spirit,then great thing are wrought By GOD through you in The Name of JESUS CHRIST...(-;
 Now as to the Hypocracy of The Bible, that would go back to the same guy's that burnt The Library at Antiock,Alixandria and snached the ancient Text's of The Inka's,that was NOT the Christian's, That was ROME and The Un-Holy Roman Catholic Church...
To get the understanding of GOD our creator,first you need to access the full text of HIS WORD pre-cannon,that's all 77 books,at wich point you will bigin to understand the reson for cannon...(-;
The Word of GOD was changed by ROME to obscure the fact that we are not the most advanced race of beings ever to inhabit planet earth.the generations of Adam and Eve lived for hundereds of thousands of years and attained a level of tecnology that was far beyond our own,but through outside intervention they became war like and they blew them selves up, We are whats left that is why we are small weak and short lived...
To find what you are looking for, you well need to start looking into Forbidden Arcyology and topics like Ground Penetrating Radar,Wingless Aircraft,Look at India and the Indo/China Border region,look into the pre-warning of The Tsunami this year and you will find some very intresting facts,Check out The Dragonfish of The Solomon Islands,you see the myths of ancient history are alive and well today Looking you squarly in The Eye,but you don't know who or what they are.......
It's like your trying to hit the Pinyata, but you can't get you blindfold off and they secured the target 16 feet above you and you only have a 2 foot long stick...
So aside from the fact that you can't find it,even if you did you would never be able to breake it open and have the candy...
 In the mean time,you fight and kill and argue and write Forums like this one,because you still don't know...(-; Well at least I told you where to GO AND DIG IT UP,
next time I want you guy's to be telling me all about what I researched over 20 years ago,to predict the future we must fully understand The Past...(-; | |
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Posted: 3/14/2005 9:56:51 AM | infinitee
There are several suspects in the burning of the Great Library of Alexandria, one of which is a Christian. The other great library in Baghdad was destroyed by the Mongols, as were many sources of Muslim knowledge (who followed the Greeks [who followed the Egyptians] as the great learners of the world). See the following link:
http://www.bede.org.uk/library.htm
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Posted: 3/14/2005 10:05:51 AM | PakanaHerruus
I can not deny that Christians have done many bad things, as have most religions throughout time, but those things were done by men corrupted by power, not by the authority of God.
Science is wonderful, but science has killed more people than every religion put together. Ballistics (archery), gunpowder (firearms), metalurgy (cannons/swords), medicine (bioweapons), chemistry (chem weapons), physics (nukes), etc. Anytime a religion or other group starts a war it is science they use to do the killing, as it always has been and always will be.
Religion and science can each be good productive things, or can be misused to cause harm, the means is determined by man, it is he which gives it merit or mayhem.
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Posted: 3/14/2005 1:01:28 PM | | I agree with the fact that it is not religion itself that drives people to do many bad things. It is rather people who do things in the name of religion. Therefore, you can not blame all Christians or Christianity for doing bad things. It is the individual who does it is to blame. Same way with any other religions. | |
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Posted: 3/14/2005 3:55:37 PM | Concerning Religion in Politics.
"Those who say religion has nothing to do with politics do not know what religion is."
Gandhi
"Can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath?"
--Thomas Jefferson: Notes on Virginia Q.XVIII, 1782. ME 2:227
If God is truly God then His place is in everything man is involved in, for we are but reflections of Him.
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Posted: 3/15/2005 9:12:45 PM |
Anytime a religion or other group starts a war it is science they use to do the killing, as it always has been and always will be.
Good point. Too bad christians haven't had your values throughout history, or we would still have that great library of Alexandria. But sadly, it had been the religious fanatics who have destroyed, and the egomaniac scientists who have created the weapons. When any group swings to the extreme, damage is done. | |
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