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| War on Drugs Politically Motivated?
Posted: 2/17/2008 6:52:23 PM | If you make drugs legal , you eliminate the dealers and you eliminate the power and corruption over it. Prohibition made booze illegal and look at what happened there ?
I'm inwindsor ontario canada right now and they have legalized marijuana up to a point of how much you can have on you and it's worked out well for years now. | |
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| War on Drugs Politically Motivated?
Posted: 2/18/2008 12:11:48 AM |  AceOfSpace, good points!!! In my opinion, the United States couldn't handle legalization of drugs or prostitution.... It would put law enforcement in a precarious position, not to mention the politicians that get paid off by drug dealers and their attorneys--- The list goes on and on.....
Look at Amsterdam.... Their High, Happy AND Crime-Free!!! We never hear anything from that country.... That's why..... Different culture, though.
Which brings me to the point of prison over-crowding. Yes, a larger percent are there on drug charges. The American penal system is making too much money right now.
The legalization of drugs would knock out a billion dollar a year industry for the federal government and druglords. The fact that the taxes should be directly deposited in education and health and benefit everyone but the government is an obvious issue that may belie the truest intentions of our government.
America's best move for it's future is the fundamental idea of SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE..... Free your mind and your ass is sure to follow!!! | |
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| War on Drugs Politically Motivated?
Posted: 2/18/2008 11:24:02 AM | | I have to correct my earlier post. I think if pot were legal, people would choose POT OVER CIGS , thus the tobacco companies would lose money. | |
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| War on Drugs Politically Motivated?
Posted: 2/18/2008 11:47:31 AM | the alcohol prohibition era was such a failure -do you think we are ever going to win the "so-called" war on drugs? -look at the big stink that congress is currently making about steroids in baseball (just gives them a chance to toot their horns and give us the illusion they are actually doing something productive).
there is a tv program on drugs that is occasionally aired on PBS and the History channel -really gives a great prospective on how much money/time is wasted on this futile attempt to regulate human behavior. | |
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| War on Drugs Politically Motivated?
Posted: 2/18/2008 12:20:09 PM | Oh come on people... lets be fair here...
Lets look at this from the governments position of world affairs..
The USA imposed this crap upon all other countries long ago..
Any country that would not make hemp illegal was banned from doing business with the USA..
All countries were forced to use artificial products made by Dupont instead of making their products the natural way like it had been done for thousands of years...
This made Dupont VERY RICH and put more money into the speacial interest groups like congress...
Now.. Do you think the US government wants to tell everyone in the world that they have been manipulating world affairs this way so that certain people can get very wealthy?
Of course NOT..
That would mean that they have betrayed the trust of the people of america too..
Just think of the law suits from all the families that have been destroyed because of these unjust laws..
Dupont and all pharmacuetical companies would be liable for all these damages..
This would include members of congress too.
Now children,,
Be good little sheep and stop trying to get the US government to make right what they have purposely done wrong...
Go back to sleep and be a good little citizen  | |
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| War on Drugs Politically Motivated?
Posted: 2/18/2008 3:12:38 PM | Luck, of course they are NOT going to win the war on drugs. Since the beginning of man kind, the brain has been wired to certain plants IE: through neuro receptors, of of these neuro receptor 1 is a cannabiniod receptor, the other an opiod. I don't think they have done enough research to see if animal brains have these same receptors, but I would be willing to guess perhaps not?
It has been facinating to the scientific world that research this that the human brain has these receptors for what are basically drugs. Cocaine hi jacks receptors...
It seems like its natures way to insure the ability for pain relief, and an escape to other places.
Any way, the US government has busted a hump to gain control over poppy fields, then say they want to stop drugs in the US... Really???
No, they are just spending money and giving the American people a reason that they are doing it for their own good. There is no desire to win any kind of war, it would be bad for business.
As stated above... There are too many companies that benefit by this little farce called a drug war. If they really had to answer the hard questions, they would just hide behind the legal wall of secracy, and that the government 0r government officials can't be sued for any wrong doing. Thus they do what ever they want, and give cute little names to it, to appease the sleeping sheep. | |
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| War on Drugs Politically Motivated?
Posted: 2/18/2008 7:46:40 PM | | Um Dude it ain’t a party thing it was started by the folks who ended up putting the skank J.Edger Hoover into Power. If I remember right the democrats were in power when all this anti-drug crap started in the 20's and 30's. The current drug war has nothing to do with the 60's and the oh so cool and reminiscent hippies. As I stated in my post above historical records and short films made by the Justice Department is where the History Channel mined their facts. | |
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| War on Drugs Politically Motivated?
Posted: 2/18/2008 7:52:50 PM | The current drug law was signed by Nixon in 1970. A memo from J. Edgar encouraged local law enforcement officials to use the drug law to go after political dissidents.
The prior drug laws were based on taxation, not possession. That changed in 1970. | |
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| War on Drugs Politically Motivated?
Posted: 2/19/2008 10:38:31 AM | This is hardly a "right/left" issue.
Though Bill Clinton was the first president to admit having put a joint in his mouth, more people were arrested for marijuana during his administration than under any other American president. Richard M. Nixon may have seemed the nemesis of young pot smokers, but more than three times as many people were arrested for pot while Mr. Clinton was president.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F06E0DB1430F932A35755C0A9659C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all
In my eyes, makes Clinton even WORSE than Nixon (at least on this issue). | |
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| War on Drugs Politically Motivated?
Posted: 2/19/2008 11:12:20 AM |
Guys Guys Guys come on: the simple fact of the matter is that it's Impossible to cultivate Marlboro Lights, Heiniken, and Smirnoff in your bedroom.
That's all there is to the argument really, when you get down to it. Actually, I DO make my own beer. :-p And it's quite tasty too I might add. I only brew about a case worth at a time. It's not as convenient, but who cares. It means I don't have to rely on a store to carry what I want to drink. I also reuse the same bottles over and over (flip top bottles), so there's less thrown away. Really, grain, yeast, sugar, water and hops and you're set. If I really wanted to get away from the stores, I could buy as many products as I could directly from the farmers.
As far as tobacco, I know my dad tried some wild stuff. He didn't care for it, but it wasn't like he cultivated it to make it taste like the commercial stuff.
I think if one of the large drug or alcohol corporation wanted to cultivate a commercial version of some of the drugs themselves that the government would accept it, but I doubt at this point that much of the public would accept it, because many have been taught that it's a moral issue. | |
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| War on Drugs Politically Motivated?
Posted: 2/19/2008 11:47:06 AM | yea the war on drugs is a complete failure and is just like prohibition of alcohol.....once anything is illegal there is a black market for it and thats when violence starts. and other posters are right....if drugs were legal the big drug companies that addict people to their man made garbage would lose money.
please people dont be afraid to speak up and tell others how dangerous and useless this "war on drugs" is. heres a few good organizations to check out:
http://www.leap.cc/cms/index.php <<<<< this is former and current cops and dea agents that are trying to educate people on how wrong this war on drugs is.
http://norml.org/ <<<< and this is NORML the national organization for the reform of marijuana laws
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/ this is congressmen Ron Paul's website he is running for president and he strongly believes that the war on drugs needs to end now.
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| War on Drugs Politically Motivated?
Posted: 2/19/2008 12:43:48 PM | I dont personally do weed or drugs although I have tried weed, enough to know what a 'B C High 'feels like. Gro-Ops & Dealers come & Go. Some are in jail, some are dead.... a few change. My concern today is the users who get high & drive the same streets as the rest of us, but with distorted senses. There is next to nothing said about it. Recently I was at a major intercextion & the passenger was passing a joint to the driver while waiting for the light to change. We know we cant drive if intoxicated.... Weed has been popular in Canada & USA since the 60's for millions to use freely and drive without penalty. I cant see any war on drugs here, in fact without it the B.C. economy would change noticibly.
Marijuana legalized? What would the lawyers do? Canada has more lawyers per capita than any other country. ie Air India debating since 80's wouldnt the money be better spent other ways?? re The Homeless? Also Pickton guilty of 6, go bak again, more $
I know, there has been a lame attempt at charging a handful. Tell me how many?
The little guy is still very much at risk. | |
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| War on Drugs Politically Motivated?
Posted: 2/19/2008 12:48:48 PM | I dont personally do weed or drugs although I have tried weed, enough to know what a 'B C High 'feels like. Gro-Ops & Dealers come & Go. Some are in jail, some are dead.... a few change. My concern today is the users who get high & drive the same streets as the rest of us, but with distorted senses. There is next to nothing said about it. Recently I was at a major intercextion & the passenger was passing a joint to the driver while waiting for the light to change. We know we cant drive if intoxicated.... Weed has been popular in Canada & USA since the 60's for millions to use freely and drive without penalty. I cant see any war on drugs here, in fact without it the B.C. economy would change noticibly.
Marijuana legalized? What would the lawyers do? Canada has more lawyers per capita than any other country. ie Air India debating since 80's wouldnt the money be better spent other ways?? re The Homeless? Also Pickton guilty of 6, go bak again, more $
I know, there has been a lame attempt at charging a handful. Tell me how many?
The little guy is still very much at risk. | |
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| War on Drugs Politically Motivated?
Posted: 2/19/2008 1:14:52 PM |
My concern today is the users who get high & drive the same streets as the rest of us, but with distorted senses. I'm sure if it was a permanent loss of a driver's license if one was caught drunk driving or under some other drug, that far fewer people would be dumb enough to drive that way. The stakes would just be too high. I would say sure, allow drugs, but you only get 1 strike and that's it. No second chances. No excuses of "I was young" or "I didn't know." You blow it, you never, ever drive again. Period. | |
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| War on Drugs Politically Motivated?
Posted: 2/19/2008 3:28:09 PM |
My concern today is the users who get high & drive the same streets as the rest of us, but with distorted senses. There is next to nothing said about it. Recently I was at a major intercextion & the passenger was passing a joint to the driver while waiting for the light to change. We know we cant drive if intoxicated....
I don't know what your laws are in B.C., however here it is illegal to drive while under the influence, while intoxicate, etc. IT doesn't matter if it is alcohol, or weed, cocaine, meth... It is all the same, which is driving under the influence. If you are busted with the illegal substance, you are just that much in trouble.
Weed actually has been popular long before the 60's. In the late 1800's, early 1900's people did all sorts of drugs, including weed. Heck they should heroin, cocaine, at the local drug store in all sorts of alixers. They also sold joints like they did cigarettes at the counter.
Opium was another favorite and house wives abound would sneek down to the opium houses in China town. Government spewed BS that the Chinese were drugging American wives and young single women to have sex with them...
Anslinger was handed the task in the 30's to get ride of weed, that grew all over the great US of A. They ran ads called reefer madness, and accused the Mexicans of raping women in Texas because of the drugs, to push the Mexicans back into Mexico.
The laws are designed for certain purposes, and generally they have very little to do with protecting people in the end. | |
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| War on Drugs Politically Motivated?
Posted: 2/19/2008 3:53:56 PM | All a police has to do is suspect you are driving impaired, if you fail the field test, then they can haul you fanny in.
They have all sorts of test, and it includes probably cause to search the vehicle... It's a dead give away if you have drugs, or drug paraphenalia in the car. That is usually when the finger pointing starts, if there is a car load of people... | |
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| War on Drugs Politically Motivated?
Posted: 2/19/2008 5:40:43 PM |
would not be suprised if RJ Morris the big tobacco company is bankrolling anti marijuana legislation because its so easy to grow pot and people would choose cigarettes over marijuana thus maybe never even experiment with smoking period in future generations when pot is readily available.
the tobacco companies were looking forward to the legalization of marijuana. Philip Morris has been anticipating the laws changing, so they can issue Marlboro Blacks.
the war on drugs is a joke. pot is as easy as every to obtain, and now we got meth. the only reason why the gov is cracking down on that is because its hitting these middle and upper middle classes. it had been a problem for 5 years before the idiot government decided it was an epidemic. | |
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| War on Drugs Politically Motivated?
Posted: 2/21/2008 11:08:10 PM | Aren't all wars politically motivated? I have always thought so, I could be wrong though...
You sound surprised... | |
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Joined: 11/16/2007
Msg: 46 | |
| War on Drugs Politically Motivated?
Posted: 2/22/2008 12:44:53 AM | | I used to work in construction and there was this one guy who used marijuana a lot. The guys used to call him "brain dead". It was dangerous working with him. | |
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| War on Drugs Politically Motivated?
Posted: 2/22/2008 1:04:01 AM | Then there were all those brilliant engineers in college who used to get high and think about their homework. They used to tell me it helped them visualize the math problems.
Drugs affect people differently. Personally, I wouldn't want to do construction work with a pothead. However, if I needed the solution to a complex problem involving differential equations or a sophisticated computer alogrithm, I wouldn't trust that to a booze hound. | |
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| War on Drugs Politically Motivated?
Posted: 2/22/2008 6:53:25 AM | Of course it is.
The only people who want drug legalization are the users...and they are ones least connected politically.
The politicians and police can't rake in the big tax dollars and property seizures if drugs are declared legal.
The corrections industry and its lobbyists would lose if tens of thousands of prisoners were freed or released early.
And what would be done w/ all of those brand spanking new jails and prisons that are being thrown up all over the country?
On the drug dealers side....a war on drugs means that no matter what they can make astronomical profits on their products w/ little or no risk to themselves.
What other profession can a person w/ no obvious talents, that's also anti-social, make a fortune w/o much effort at all?
And, finally if legalization were being seriously discussed, the drug dealers could simply ramp up the levels of violence as much as is needed to curtail the debate indefinitely.
Both the main groups supporting drug criminalization (politicians and crooks) have the money and the political muscle to keep drugs illegal.
The average user doesn't.
Who do you think wins in a situation like that? | |
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| War on Drugs Politically Motivated?
Posted: 2/22/2008 9:35:41 AM | Guys,
Of course you're right, but those are all _economic_ motivations. Perhaps politics comes down to dollars but in the meantime those laws were put in place to decapitate the Left. And they worked. The fact that there's money to be made by keeping them in place is a side benefit to some and a curse to others. But since the Left has no more effective voice, there's no one with any credibility left to argue. | |
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