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 ratherBgolfing
Joined: 8/10/2008
Msg: 2076
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Well, it took them 76 games, but they finally no longer control their own playoff fate. It's like that's what they were gunning for all along
Five out of last 6 games at home though, so there's that. Minf you, the way they've played at home this season, not sure that's much of an advantage.
The other thing that sucks is four of those games are NOT agaisnt teams they are fighting for playoff positions: SJ, Calgary twice and Vancouver.
Oh well... they have only their own lack of killer instinct to blame for this situation.
 smiliegirl15
Joined: 7/15/2006
Msg: 2077
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Posted: 3/30/2009 11:29:35 AM
They would have to win 5 of the last 6 games to make the playoffs now that they're in 10th. They are higher up in the standings than they deserve to be though. If it wasn't for Roli bailing them out again and again I'm sure we'd be at the bottom of the league. I think it was Stauffer who said yesterday Roli keeps them in time and again, the least they could do would be to bail him out once in awhile. With the teams they're playing in the final stretch, it would take a miracle to win all but 1. It's a tough final schedule playing especially when they're not playing hungry (and they should be playing like they're starving right now).
 Plain Ole Black and White
Joined: 9/28/2006
Msg: 2078
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Posted: 3/30/2009 2:04:55 PM
Yeah, season's done for the Oilers I think. All things considered I'd honestly say I think our chances are worse than last year at this time. Tough teams galore now and almost all are played here at home where we suck far worse than on the road. I'd almost prefer to end any hopes tomorrow against the Ducks as let Cowtown put the final nails in the coffin. Looks good for the future though......... (sorry rBg, couldn't resist)

I totally agree with ya that more than upstairs needs improvement though. Defence is pathetic at moving the puck in their own end. Now without Smid too for a while, we might be doing good to keep the opposition to single digits these final games. We desperately need a few guys who can get the puck outta their end without panicking and making embarrassing costly turnovers. To my recollection I've never witnessed anything so sad in that regard in a few decades of watching NHL hockey. (One I'd personally like to part with there, and would without any kinda argument is Gilbert. Chokes WAY too often for my liking.)

Finally, I'll agree with smilie about Roli being the main reason we held any kind of hope at all for even this long. Almost like the team props him up in front of a firing squad and holds him there every game. Poor Roli. Sure hope he stays on for a bit anyhoo. Figured I'd better say something in agreeance before I commented on Penner though. I'll agree that he hasn't been given a great atmosphere to flourish in, but at the same time neither has anybody else on the team and most have at least shown spurts where they looked like they had potential to earn what they're being payed. Even when he's having a GOOD night though Penner doesn't look like he's really worth half as much as he's being payed. I think mediocre would be pretty kind thus far. (well, except maybe on payday)

Last 4 pointer tomorrow.

GO........ errr..... never mind..... no comment
 Fox Zoo
Joined: 4/23/2006
Msg: 2079
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Posted: 3/30/2009 2:20:41 PM
It's too bad that these guys can't get it together and play like they are in a war!! There is no UMPH, no desire to win, it seems. (on ice leadership ... MISSING!)

One game you think to yourself, "OMG! They got it!!" and the very next, you think "OMG, ........ o..m..g..:( " (cannot post what I was going to say as it would end up like this, ******** **** ***** **** *********")

On a brighter note, the Oil tend to win against the tougher teams, so I will TRY and keep my hopes up at this point.

GO OIL!!
 ratherBgolfing
Joined: 8/10/2008
Msg: 2080
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Posted: 3/31/2009 4:33:06 AM
Well, I'm not giving up. This is as close as they've been to a playoff spot in three years and I will cheer for them until they are officially out of it.
Let's face it, in Edmonton the playoffs start in February... EVERY YEAR! Sometimes we're out of them by March 1. Sometimes we're still in them in April.
Well, tonight is the last night of March and we're still in the hunt. That's as good as it gets in Oilerville. It's as good as its gotten in the past 17 years and that's not going to change any time soon, MacT or no MacT. That's the reality of hockey in Northern Alberta.
Giving up on the Oilers now is like throwing in the towel when they are down 3-2 in a series.
 NO Longer sleepsalone
Joined: 10/20/2006
Msg: 2081
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Posted: 3/31/2009 9:00:02 AM
Hey guys, I heard something positive last night about the oilers, and you may take it as you wish.
Apparently 'Grapes' (Donald S. Cherry) has been singing the praises of Roli the Goalie of late.
ad lib quoting here "with the Oilers style of open ice hockey being a skating speed team that leaves your goalie to do a lot more work. I am not taking anything away from Brodeur or Luongo, but you gotta love this guy. He is facing an average of 45 shots per night have a save percentage way up there (99.7% ? or something). He is a work horse. To give you an idea he faced 23 power play shots against Anaheim, that is 23 shots that you have time to set up. The one from Pronger I think he wound up 4 times before he let it go. I love this guy to death and as long as the Oilers are still in the race I am going to keep showing this guy!"

in Short, Great Job Roli!
Keep up the great work.
I like RBG will continue to cheer until they are out, Best game in town!

and Go OIL!!!

and to RBG, good luck to your AJHL team in the finals!
 Plain Ole Black and White
Joined: 9/28/2006
Msg: 2082
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Posted: 3/31/2009 9:32:23 AM

Giving up on the Oilers now is like throwing in the towel when they are down 3-2 in a series.
I think a comparison of only down 3-2 is pretty optimistic but y'all gotta know where my heart ACTUALLY lies. Couple big games tonight and especially important to axe them 3 pointers from here on in.

GO OIL!!!
 ratherBgolfing
Joined: 8/10/2008
Msg: 2083
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Posted: 3/31/2009 10:09:10 AM

I think a comparison of only down 3-2 is pretty optimistic.


How so? If the Oilers win tonight, they will be tied with St. Louis for eighth and they hold the tiebreaker against the Blues. Yes, the Blues will have one game in hand, but they also play 5 of their last 6 on the road.
This is far from over... as long as the players don't have the same attitude as the bulk of the fans.
Remember... five games ago the Blues were in 11th and six points out of a playoff race.
 Kaos86
Joined: 3/7/2007
Msg: 2084
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Posted: 3/31/2009 1:33:19 PM
The problem with the Oilers for a long time now is imbreeding.
Kevin Lowe and MacTavish were great players but it's over.

Hopefully the new owner will look to the Red Wings model.
Illitch when he took over the Wings went outside of Detroit and landed the best young executive from the best dynasty in hockey at the time.
Jimmy Develano was the assistant GM under the great Bill Torrey who built the Islanders in the 70's.
Jimmy D then put the Wings together.
It took a few and yes he used some in house people but the big move was when he went outside the organization again and brought Scotty Bowman to Hockey Town.

The Oilers have to look outside of Alberta.
 smiliegirl15
Joined: 7/15/2006
Msg: 2085
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Posted: 3/31/2009 1:41:33 PM
I love Roli too but the rest of the team has to do their part too. One guy cannot get them into the playoffs - it's going to take a whole team effort. Roli can keep making all the amazing saves he has been but the guys have to score goals in the other end in order to put up a win.
As much as I would love for them to be in the playoffs, because there is nothing like the excitement of playoff hockey, they don't deserve it with the lack of enthusiasm they have been showing of late. They're playing like they're putting in time until golf season.
 Plain Ole Black and White
Joined: 9/28/2006
Msg: 2086
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Posted: 3/31/2009 2:20:49 PM
Kind of a perspective thing I suppose rBg. I meant "win one game and be in an even battle to move on" is exagerating a bit. Lotsa battling and wishing left after this one. Other side of the coin though could be "at down 3-2, lose one and it's golfing season" so I guess it's how one takes it.

Awful steep hill now though as I said a couple posts back. Mostly REAL tough teams left and we play all but 1 at Northlands where we haven't fared too well this season. Records of most in the pack over the last month or so ain't too encouraging either but it keeps a fan on the edge of their seat at least. Almost to the point already where we NEED a lending hand as opposed to being able to control our own future. (the usual)

I think we can expect a pretty decent effort tonight and we've fared alright against the Ducks so far this season (up 2-1) so hopefully we can chalk up a win in regulation. That'd be nice as we'd pass them in points again but at very least we need to get the 2 points and pass them in the standings. Hopefully the preds and jackets decide for whoever in regulation, (Nashville preferrably I guess) and hope the nucks and queens win in regulation too.

I'm curious to see what this Chorney kid brings to the table tonight as well. Sounds like he might be a pretty decent defence man. SUCKS bigtime to be without Smid for the rest of the season though.
 smiliegirl15
Joined: 7/15/2006
Msg: 2087
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Posted: 3/31/2009 4:23:08 PM
It's more like they're down 3-0 and have to win them all in order to advance.
 OhSix
Joined: 7/4/2007
Msg: 2088
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Posted: 3/31/2009 6:15:05 PM
As a strong Oilers believer it truly does pain me to admit the truth.

You're right to say that the situation is like being down 3-2 in the playoffs. it is much more dire than that I would suggest it is more of a 3-0 situation. consider that it is not one game they must win but the next 6 assuming no one else rolls over and screws the pooch from here to the end miss more one and it is game over, Fore and forget it. They get to try and string together the longest win streak of the season under the most pressure.

This team doesn't got it to go... The year we acquired roli it was clear we where a way better team than the standings indicated. we spotted everyone at least a goal in the first 3 minutes of every game and where the come back kings of the NHL. digging ourselves out of more holes than a groundhog. Hell even with 20 to go last year the team showed spark and dazzle that blew some of the better teams out of their boots. This year is almost as painful to watch as the 20 in a row we sucked after smitty got traded. The only fairytale this year resembles is the wizard of oz. No heart, No courage, No brains.

now the humor...
On the upside cowtown has opted to crap the bed at the usual time and should only be booking t times a week or so behind the oil.

I hear this years playoff theme down south is "Fore in Four" with a special issue of jerseys available for round one. they took the flaming C crest and rotated it 90 degrees clockwise to better simulate the crashing sensation.

The big C is for choke.

Like all fables the story of the cup in calgary is always told.... Once upon a time, long long ago....

BTW grey the only place you get to see what chorney has is in the press box Theo "wreck'em" Peckham gets the call


OhSix'
 agudman55
Joined: 6/6/2007
Msg: 2089
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Posted: 3/31/2009 7:23:20 PM

Giving up on the Oilers now is like throwing in the towel when they are down 3-2 in a series.
I think a comparison of only down 3-2 is pretty optimistic but y'all gotta know where my heart ACTUALLY lies. Couple big games tonight and especially important to axe them 3 pointers from here on in.


I gotta agree with Smiley that it's more like down 3-0 and I also have to agree with rBg (I think it was rBg.......sorry, memory thing) that I can not count them out until they ARE out. I just wish this team would show some passion and play the game the "OILER" way. Lots of physical play from the "Heart".

As a "Die-Hard" Oil fan, I'll cheer them on even if they lose the tickets to the "Dance". I'm just hoping they remember WHY they are so well loved by the fans and we can cheer them into May!

!!!!! GO OILERS GO !!!!!
 smiliegirl15
Joined: 7/15/2006
Msg: 2090
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Posted: 3/31/2009 9:31:12 PM
OMG MacTavish is a moron - he is the reason tonight the Oilers lost - what a stupid judgement call on his part. The Oilers weren't really playing great before the call but to come within a goal, have the momentum and shorthand your team.... unbelievable, especially when your team is in the bottom of the league when it comes to PK. Thank you MacT - you've put your own nail into your coffin.
 tick tock
Joined: 7/30/2006
Msg: 2091
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Posted: 4/1/2009 2:02:28 AM
Well, it's gonna take the miracle of all miracles to get a playoff spot now. Looking at the standings, we would have to hope that we win all of our remaining games and hope that we win 2 more games than any two of the following teams: Ducks, Blues or Predators. I'm not even inluding the Wild, who we'd have to win one more game than, nor the fact that the Blues have a game in hand.

I don't know what to say about the call. I think if they had doubts about his stick, they could have waited until the 30 second mark if they Oilers hadn't scored yet. It just killed any momentum we had at that point. Even worse, it cast a shadow on Stortini's finest hour. Wait...
 Plain Ole Black and White
Joined: 9/28/2006
Msg: 2092
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Posted: 4/1/2009 5:35:21 AM
Or how about the "too many men" penalty at the end of the first that cost a goal and put us behind early in the second.
 ratherBgolfing
Joined: 8/10/2008
Msg: 2093
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Posted: 4/1/2009 5:44:11 AM
OMG MacTavish is a moron - he is the reason tonight the Oilers lost -


You're kidding me wight?
You're blaming MacT for a gutsy, albeit risky call with two minutes left?
Of course, had they scored, you'd have given him no credit at all for the call.
Just in case you weren't paying attention, the Oilers were LOSING when he made that call. How does doing something when you are already down in the game cost the team the game?
Oh I know how... IT DOESN'T!
When you are losing a game and there are two minutes left, you are forced to take chances.
It's no different than pulling your goalie. That only works less than 20% of the time. But when it doesn't would you dare say the coach cost the team the game, for pulling the goalie?
Well... you would, if your name is smilie and you are talking about Craig MacTavish.
Sheesh.
Your act is older than you are smilie.
Open your eyes MacHater.
Try blaming Edmonton's $15M worth of waste.
Their top three forwards cost the team the game.
Ales Hemsky underappreciated? How about you shoot the puck! Or pass the puck! Or do something with the puck!
Penner? Gee, if Friday night's two-goal explosion was not a complete anomaly, he could have single-handedly won the game. How many scoring chances did he have? six? eight? One goal, you $4.25M white elephant. That's all we ask.
Well, that and maybe to get off the frikkin ice when your linemates do, rather than feign a line change, fooling the next guy into jumping onto the ice and ultimately costing the team the game. The Oilers never did recover from the power-play goal scored because of that bonehead move.
But at least he was shooting the puck. He even forced Hiller to move on one of the saves.
And speaking of white elephants, isn't it nice to know that Shawn Horcoff will be a $7M man next season. GREAT value for the money there. Yay. We've got another four years of .... that.
Blame MacTavish for that loss?
Hardly.
At least he tried something.
Looked an awful lot to me like Edmonton's top three forwards already have holidays planned and don't want anything to interfere with them.
You blame MacT for last night's loss? I'll tell you what smilie, I'm starting to think that GOD could not coach those three. Talk about a total lack of competitive spirit.... a total and utter lack of on-ice leadership from the $15M Houdinis.
Let's hope the Houdinis show up for the rest of the regular season.
Talk about going through the motions on the most important night of the season. Particularly Hemsky and Horcoff... what a complete disappointment.
 Plain Ole Black and White
Joined: 9/28/2006
Msg: 2094
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Posted: 4/1/2009 7:11:31 AM
Well, I can only agree with a bit of what you're saying rBg. That'd be about Penner being a huge waste of money and expectations. I didn't notice his alleged "feigning a line change" but if that's the case I guess the coach is largely absolved of much blame there.

I dunno what you've got against Hemsky as he's still a point-a-game guy and I think the musical chairs for linemates all the time plays a role there too. Even Horcoff runs about 2/3 of a point per game, not to mention faceoffs, hits, bitta gusto, etc. I also feel they have notably more potential (as do several Oilers) that'd likely be acheived in a better environment. Just look around the NHL. There's more than 1 player that are at least someboby now and that were just white elephants if ya will here in Edmonton in recent years.
 Kaos86
Joined: 3/7/2007
Msg: 2095
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Posted: 4/1/2009 8:18:00 AM
McTavish has taken the blame for the stick measurement fiasco.
He was wrong bottom line. It was a desparate move by a desparate coach who has no answers.
Did that cost them the game... probably not since they were down at that point but it did prevent them from tying the game.
This team is in bad shape and going nowhere.
The worst thing that can happen to a franchise is to be stuck in that 9th to 12th spot.
It's nowhere mans land.
Stuck in limbo!
You lose out on the playoffs and you lose out on the best draft picks.
Better to blow it up and start over and that starts with the coach and GM. Throw the President out also and the Oilers will have a future.
As long as this brain trust remains ... get used to 9th and 10th place finishes.
 smiliegirl15
Joined: 7/15/2006
Msg: 2096
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Posted: 4/1/2009 8:46:51 AM

the Oilers were LOSING when he made that call. How does doing something when you are already down in the game cost the team the game?

It certainly didn't help them. They had momentum and MacTavish forced them to take a penalty dumber than most of Moreau's when there was still over 2 minutes to play. If you're going to do something like that, then at least give them a chance first. 30 seconds left to play like grey suggested would have made so much more sense.
Take a look at St. Louis - they're phenomenal right now. Where are their star players? Oh yeah, injured. They have a hot goalie; big deal so do we. What does St. Louis have that we don't have? They have a coach with a half a brain in his head.
The first of MacT's two questions as a coach - "are you committed?" - he may think he is but his players certainly aren't committed to him. It's really starting to show. They can support him to the media all they want but I think in this case, actions speak louder than words.
 ratherBgolfing
Joined: 8/10/2008
Msg: 2097
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Posted: 4/1/2009 9:12:45 AM
30 seconds left to play may make more sense, but Selanne has to be on the ice in order to ask for a stick measurement.



What does St. Louis have that we don't have? They have a coach with a half a brain in his head.


Yeah, that... and heart. Hate to re-open old wounds, but that is something the Oilers have been missing ever since Feb. 27, 2007.
And Chris Mason lets in half a goal less per game than Roloson. That's pretty substantial.

But let me ask you something... were you this high on Andy Murray two weeks ago? For someone who rates a coach solely by successes, giving credit to one who has not guided a team into the NHL playoffs since the 2001-02 season seems out of character.
Does this mean that Jacques Lemaire is suddenly a terrible coach?

I couldn't hear it on the television last night, but apparently in the last five minutes the crowd was chanting in unison "Fire MacT! Fire MacT"
 Plain Ole Black and White
Joined: 9/28/2006
Msg: 2098
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Posted: 4/1/2009 1:06:56 PM

the crowd was chanting in unison "Fire MacT! Fire MacT"

Not an uncommon sentiment and after years of making excuses for him I hafta admit that it's one I share the last couple years. Especially now that he can't use financial woes as an excuse any longer. Well, other than the mess Lowe makes there and I've already made my opinion of him clear. Pretty much akin to Kaos'. Like you, I'd LOVE to see Quinn head here too but ain't holding my breath. I'd wager something changes this offseason however, finally.
 smiliegirl15
Joined: 7/15/2006
Msg: 2099
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Posted: 4/1/2009 1:16:37 PM
Because Smyth has contributed so much since then - he's now an overpriced player too and I think we got the best years out of him already. If anyone could still be here, it should have been Jarrett Stoll. However, the Oilers don't need to look back, they need to look FORWARD!!!
Since the all-star break the Blues have gone 18-7-5 for 41 points in 30 games and their coach seems to have the team fired up for the playoffs. Our team is practically snuffed out. Since the break we're 8-12-10 and of those 10, only 4 are wins. 21 points in 30 games - stellar.
 ChicosDad
Joined: 9/25/2008
Msg: 2100
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Posted: 4/1/2009 1:27:58 PM
McTavish has taken the blame for the stick measurement fiasco.
He was wrong bottom line. It was a desparate move by a desparate coach who has no answers.
Did that cost them the game... probably not since they were down at that point but it did prevent them from tying the game.


It is sad, but this has been evident to anyone who is even remotely objective. The man is one of the worst in-game coaches in the league. Unable to adapt situationally, does everything in his power to prohibit familiarity & continuity, and frankly, has no grasp on what is going on in his own room, either.
The quicker his pathetic reign ends, the better for the organization - and it was kind of him to tie his own noose last night just a little tighter.
The remodel should start at the draft, and continue right through the summer ...and into a REAL training camp - you know, one where noone's job is secure & guys are battling for their very livelyhood.
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