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Posted: 10/29/2009 8:50:41 AM | thanks liferawks , i was just returning the comment to rbg after he said much the same thing to me in a different thread , he just needs to lighten up and all will be fine!! | |
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Posted: 10/29/2009 2:50:02 PM | you flamers should maybe just try not hijacking Oiler threads... leave the hockey talk to hockey fans | |
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Posted: 10/29/2009 10:15:54 PM | Are only Oiler fans hockey fans???  | |
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Posted: 10/30/2009 6:30:35 AM | Hey flame fans are always welcome here, or anywhere else, someone has to clean the dishes and fetch the beer ( Kokanee Gold or Keiths draft preferred, btw) and thats as far as I plan to take the teasing. As for the Detroit game last night with the nice big safe elad we had... WTF?!?! Just goes to show, never never never count out Detroit. I hate them as a team, but I respect them as teh standard for the league, on ice or off. Good thing is I did actually get a chance to sit down and watch a victory... skin of thier teeth, but it goes in the W column  | |
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Posted: 10/30/2009 8:28:33 AM | At least we didn't completely gas it, like the way Calgary did with their 5-0 lead over Chicago | |
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Posted: 10/30/2009 10:34:21 AM | | And Penner is 3rd in league scoring? McT acknowledging he was a big part of Penners lack of success last year was interesting.. I know Penner won't stay near the top of the scoring ladder for long (too many other talented players in the league) but it sure is a treat to see him playing like this.....now if we can get a d-man or two back from injury maybe we can sit Grebesh-Cough-up-the-Puck ............. | |
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Posted: 10/30/2009 1:30:52 PM | | Oh RBG-I am going to send you some skunky bear meat!!! | |
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Posted: 11/4/2009 7:57:59 AM | OK so the Oilers are now 15 games into the schedule, with a 7-7-1 record.
Last year after 15 games they were 8-6-1 and the MacHaters were screaming for his head on a platter, saying it's all his fault that the team sucks... blah blah blah.
Also of note... last year, after 15 games, the Oilers sat in eighth in the conference. This morning, they are in 11th in the conference and next to last in the Northwest Division.
Still a lot of hockey to be played, for sure, but at the 20% mark of the season, it sure looks like the coach wasn't the biggest problem with the Edmonton Oilers. | |
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Posted: 11/4/2009 10:50:59 AM | Right...............
Last year we werent missing 2 and sometimes 3 of our top 6 defenceman during the first 15 games..........hadn't been hit by major illness yet either...........
Also the " MacHaters" weren't acting on a 15 game span.........more on multiple seasons worth of issues...........
But hey..........if you need a reason to "vent" you go for it........... | |
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Posted: 11/4/2009 11:21:38 AM |
Last year we werent missing 2 and sometimes 3 of our top 6 defenceman during the first 15 games..........hadn't been hit by major illness yet either...........
I was waiting for someone to bring that up. Take a look around the league. The Oilers' injury woes are no different than those of just about any team. Actually, not nearly as bad as some of the teams ahead of us in the standings.
Vancouver has 7 players on the IR right now, including their starting goalie and their top scorer. Sixth on conference.
Colorado, top of the division, and top team in the entire Western Conference. 6 on IR.
Chicago. Third in the conference : Hossa hasn't played all season. Toews (concussion) and Seabrook (knee) out
Dallas: Holding down the No. 7 spot in the conference, even though they've had to play without Modano and Lehtinen all year long.
San Jose (No. 3) : No Joe Pavelski. Seteguchi on the shelf.
Detroit: Flippula, Franzen and Lilja all out.
Shall I go on?
Using injuries as an excuse just doesn't fly this season.
But nice try. | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 5:38:28 AM | Nope, not baiting anyone... but I did figure someone would be uninformed enough to use injuries as an excuse, without putting any kind of thought into it whatsoever
If it makes you feel any better patent, I had you at the top of the list | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 11:34:47 AM | The point patent pending makes is a valid one. We have mostly the same team with some of our key players injured and our record is nearly the same as it was with a healthy roster. Comparing this year's team and last year's team is pretty much apples to apples while saying the injuries sustained this year are comparable to other teams in the league is apples to pomegranites - yeah they're both red but that's about it. If we had last seasons's relatively healthy roster this season, I think we would have at least a couple more games in the W column. If we were fielding a significantly different team this season, as many of those you list do, then it would be more comparable. The fact this team has improved with new coaching really bothers some people when they should just be glad we're on the right track here.
MacT is gone - good riddance - get over it already. | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 1:47:57 PM |
We have mostly the same team with some of our key players injured and our record is nearly the same as it was with a healthy roster.
Hmmm... weren't we playing healthier teams last year? Absolutely!
So how is it that the Vancouver Canucks, Colorado Avalanche and Chicago can handle the injury bug, but Edmonton can't? It has everything to do with the depth of the franchise.
If we had last seasons's relatively healthy roster this season, I think we would have at least a couple more games in the W column.
Particularly in light of how unhealthy all the other teams are this season, in comparison to last season.
If we were fielding a significantly different team this season, as many of those you list do
The reason we aren't fielding a significantly different team this year has everything to do with what is the Oilers' problem.
The fact this team has improved with new coaching really bothers some people when they should just be glad we're on the right track here.
The FACT that this team has improved? Where's the improvement? How can you figure a worse record as an improvement? We're on the exact same track we've been on for three years, Smilie: 11th place in the western conference. That's all that bothers me. The FACT that we can be in 11th place regardless of who is coaching the team just supports the argument that the biggest issue with the Edmonton Oilers is, and always has been, the personnel on the ice, not the personnel behind the bench.
There's no improvement whatsoever, in the big picture. Last year, with 12 of the team's first 15 games on the road, the Oilers were 8-6-1, in a playoff position, and you were screaming for MacT to be fired.
This season they have a worse record, have already played more home games than they did in the first two months of last season, and you somehow think the team has improved.
I think there's a PR job at Alberta Health for you smilie, with spin like that
Hey, I will admit that Quinn is doing OK with what he has to work with. The issue with the Oilers is that he doesn't have a whole lot to work with.... pretty much the same issue that MacT faced. | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 4:31:02 PM | I am hoping off judgement until this flu thing has completely passed. Before they got hit with it, they were near the top of the conference and have nosedived ever since. Yes injuries are such are no excuse but they look like they have no energy out there these days while looking better before the flu bug hit. A lot of these guys are trying to play through the illness and it really shows. If things are still bad 10 games after the flu bug is passed, then I can see looking hard elsewhere.
As for no difference with the coach, ask Penner how he feels about the new regime :) | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 6:16:14 PM |
As for no difference with the coach, ask Penner how he feels about the new regime :)
OK, I'll ask Penner if you ask Shawn Horcoff | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 9:59:46 PM | Maybe we should have someone set us up with some flu shots....
seems to be working for the flames?!?!?!
I am like some others here, not going to judge just yet.
some things in general seem to better and some things seem the same (generally speaking)
there certainly do seem to be to be alot of teams on fire of late and more than a couple of former Oilers (that more than one on here were happy to see go) contributing to that (torres had two tonight and Smytty's name seems to keep popping up)
I will continue to cheer the oil on from afar and hope that improvement continues
that said, as RBG points out, at this point, going to be tough to get T Times in april/may around edmonton | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 10:11:41 PM | | Too bad Oilers lost again1!! | |
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Posted: 11/8/2009 8:41:16 PM | Ahem Widow... That would be a win tonight!!
I'm just as shocked as anyone.
Wonder how MacT is doing these days? I hope he's watching as closely as us fans, and going home at the end of the day with a smile.
FIRE QUINN!! THE COACHING SUX!!
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Posted: 11/10/2009 7:40:41 AM | Horcoff sucked last season too so there really isn't a good comparison there.
The Oilers are hopefully recovered from the flu and on the winning track again.
Dustin Penner - 21 points
Dany Heatley - 19 points
and you all harassed me for championing Penner.
I think Quinn has confidence in Horcoff too - otherwise he should have been tossed off the first line long before his injury. I think Horc's worst enemy is himself.
I thought I recognized that Ahem! Welcome back to the forums Fox! | |
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Posted: 11/10/2009 9:37:28 AM | I think Quinn has confidence in Horcoff too - otherwise he should have been tossed off the first line long before his injury.
He was.
Horcoff was replaced on the first line by Sam Gagner, Oc. 22 ... 6 games before Horcoff's injury.
Horcoff was put back on the first line Oct. 29 and picked up three of his 5 points on the season in that game. He then blew chunks (as did most of the team ... both figuratively and literally ) for the next two games ... losses in Boston and Long Island.
Horcoff sucked last season too so there really isn't a good comparison there.
Horcoff was the team's second-leading scorer last year, with 53 points. He is on pace for a 27-point campaign this season... almost EXACTLY half of last year's points.
Still think he played as poorly last year as he has been this season?
and you all harassed me for championing Penner.
Please explain to me how Dustin Penner's 37-point season last season was worthy of 'championing' whereas Horcoff's 53-point season sucked. I look forward to reading the spin on that one. | |
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Posted: 11/12/2009 6:14:58 AM | Wasn't MacT scheduled to make his TSN debut last week??? | |
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Posted: 11/13/2009 10:07:06 AM | Just checked the Oilers site and there are 11 players on the injured list! 7 of them regulars! I know......some will suggest it's just an excuse........like the H1N1 problems they had!
Maybe this time they'll fire the antiquated anthem singer! | |
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Posted: 11/13/2009 1:32:29 PM | Wednesday was a tough night for them, 3 of the 10 (not 11) on the list played in Wednesday's game ... but actually only 2 were injured - Grebeshkov and Reddox. The Oilers have Pisani on their list because of his Colitis but he played Wednesday and is expected to play Sunday.
And look at the list... that's the problem with the Oilers right there. Guys like Robert Nilsson, a second-liner with 1 goal and 4 points in 12 games are considered regulars.
Shawn Horcoff, who has 5 points, 3 of which were amassed in a single game, is considered a 1st liner.
Sadly, only 3 of those players (Souray, Horcoff and Grebeshkov) would be considered regulars on pretty much any other team in the league ... certainly any decent team.
But hey, if you think the Oilers, with players like Nilsson, JF Junk (a "first liner" with 3 NHL goals in 75 career games), Fernando Pisani, Ryan Stone and Mark Pouliot are otherwise playoff contenders, should those players be healthy, good on ya. Personally I see no need to make excuses for their bad record. They are quite simply a bad team. A bad team with a good coach? Sure, I'll go with that. But a bad team. | |
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