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| What does the term Liberal Media mean to you
Posted: 4/3/2008 4:23:25 PM |
....if we don’t curb this growing socialist movement we have been in for the past 60+ years, I think we’re all going over the falls, some kicking and screaming, and some with the blissful smile of ignorant contentment.
Look at the standard of living, especially in regards to how average Americans live, and compare now to then . Look at how wage inequality has grown, specifically within the last thirty years. Now, even with two people working full time, home ownership is more and more difficult.
Look at how many hours people worked then, and how many they work now.
Look at the cost of food, then and now.
For those of us old enough, think back to when you were younger, and how much further a paycheck went back then.
Take a look at all those things, and then tell me again who is experiencing "ignorant contentment".
And, again returning to the topic at hand, I submit another concept for you to consider. If one looks at the current humanitarian crisis in Iraq, you'll find it's almost a non-story in the US media. Outside the USA, that's not the case.
The story is big enough, and it's certainly a legitimate one. There's a certain segment of the population that's against the war. Journalists, especially American ones, are well aware of it.
It's just not mentioned. 
Aside from the costs of this war, the USA (with it's current economic problems) is still able to run up the highest increase in military spending since WW2.
A trillion dollars here, a trillion dollars there, and soon you’re talking real money. But when it comes to reporting on what the Bush war legacy has cost American taxpayers, the media have been shockingly indifferent to the highest run-up in military spending since World War II. Even the devastating defense spending audit released Monday by the Government Accountability Office documenting the enormous waste in every single U.S. advanced weapons system failed to provoke the outrage it, and five equally scathing previous annual audits, deserved.
Just how expensive and wasteful this is was marked in the GAO’s audit: “Since 2000, the Department of Defense (DOD) has roughly doubled its planned investment in new systems from $790 billion to $1.6 trillion in 2007, but acquisition outcomes in terms of cost and schedule have not improved.” Pentagon cost overruns, always a huge problem, have mushroomed. As the GAO reported, “Total acquisition costs for major defense programs in the fiscal year 2007 portfolio have increased 26 percent from first estimates, compared with 6 percent in 2000.”
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20080401_a_submarine_to_fight_al_qaidas_navy/
Where's that story, in the mainstream media ?
Now if you want to compare a Canadian news station with some American ones, I'd suggest this might show perhaps how two news medias, both in North America and right next door to one another, can be so very different.
Since the US-led invasion four years ago, the fifth estate has covered Iraq and the war on terror from virtually every angle--the military, ... all » media, intelligence, politics--revealing aspects of the story that you didn't find anywhere else. Now, as the White House warns about the latest threat in the region, this time from Iran, it's worthwhile looking back to examine the deception, suspect intelligence, even lies, that convinced the world of the rightness of targeting Saddam Hussein.
The political decisions behind the invasion The Lies That Led To War is drawn from these stories: In 2003's The Forgotten People, the fifth estate examined the human rights arguments used to make a case for war. We looked at the sale of technology by the US to Iraq during the 1980's despite the fact that this equipment could be, and was used eventually, in military operations by Saddam Hussein against Kurdish civilians. After the gassing of the Kurds in 1988, American business with Iraq actually increased.
In Act of Faith which aired that same year, the fifth estate examined how George Bush and Tony Blair struck a deal that would lead to the invasion of Iraq. It was a deal struck while UN diplomats worked to avert conflict in the weeks and months leading up to March 19, 2003.
In the widely acclaimed Conspiracy Theories and the Unauthorized Biography of****Cheney, which aired in 2003 and 2004 respectively, we looked at intelligence failures leading up to 9/11,****Cheney's power within the White House and his Halliburton connections, as well as the links between the Bush family, the Saudi Royal family and the Bin Ladens.
Selling the war in Iraq In 2005's Sticks and Stones, we turned our attention to the American media and how they covered the ongoing war in Iraq, public dissent, as well as the increasingly hostile tone between left and right in American discourse.
Now, The Lies That Led To War provides context to the events of the previous six years, showing how political, diplomatic, media spin – which sometimes crossed the line into outright lies - have been used by the those in power to further their own agendas.
http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=node/20797
Now that's a fairly good listing of a great number of news stories that only ONE station (CBC) has done concerning the Iraq war in this country.
Now look at your " free , independent, and liberal" media in the States ......and ask yourself why it's incapable of equaling what ONE TV station in this country can produce.
Your media's larger, and has far more resources, and none of this is getting on the air in the mainstream media there.
Why is CBC capable of doing this, and your "liberal media" isn't ?
Because it's government funded, and has no alliances to multi-national corporations. If you truly had a liberal media in the USA, this administration would have been probably impeached a long time ago. | |
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| What does the term Liberal Media mean to you
Posted: 4/4/2008 6:55:11 AM | And why can't we all see and understand this for what it is !!! ?
Smart people ~ refusing to see ~ refusing to even consider ~ the possibility of jaded truths!
It befuddles the mind. ` It really does.
So many, have somehow been programed ~ they have drank Jim Jone's Kool-Aid ~ If the news exposes any questions contary to the the adminstrations direction ~ it considered a liberal bias.
I don't know exactly how how media is being controls~ Supply and demand should control market forces. ~ I've ask his question before ~
In this case , it seems a false market has been created ~ one rooted in greed and fed by hate.
If we had a factual accounting of current events and the decisions made in higher levels of government ~ We'd have Americans up in arms, ~ 43 , Carl Rowe, Chaney , Rumsfield and the "Wolf" ~ and Company ~ would'nt be allowed on government property. Both , people from the Right & the Left would run them off the lot.
Instead ~ what we have ~ is these ~~ nanny -nanny poo poo games ~ Childish ~ name calling and the blame game. ~ Reaching back years ago ~ to defend a present flawed position ~ "well ~~ he did it first!" ~ he told lies too! ~ Liberals ~ socialism !!
An attempt to explain away and justify ~ insanity.
We've got a "news" problem alright ~ no doubt about it ~~ There is a few out there that are fighting to deliver the truth ~ which does offers us some hope
But for every good one ~ there 15 talking heads ~ thats been bought ~ and there is media management ~ thats answer to some force ~ I can' see ~~ It like they a farming a crop of faithful followers ~ creating a market for hate and discourse.
~ Someone spoke of the last 60 years of decline ~~ I'm not sure where he lives, ~ 60 years ago ~ Johnny was coming home from a hard fought war ~ we just survives, lossing many of our sons ~ women were been building ships and planes in mens absence. ~ We'd endured shortages and rationing, rubber, fuel, sugar, iron, steel ~ resorces was directed to "winning" a war. ~ There was no adundance. ~ The major advantage Ameriacan had ~ was her will and determination ~ and her interstructure was not in shambles unlike the rest of the world. ~
Not being completely flat footed ` we help the rest of the world rebuild ~ By 1970 ~ the rebuiding done ~ we find our "own" factories out dated, old and tired ~ the rest of the world ~ fresh and new. ~
Why not accept the realitys of all this history ~~ for the way it was ~ and the way it now is ~
Let Build again ~ ~~ HERE ~ at home. ~~ Home !! ~ We have work to do at HOME!
Don't let these fat cats ~ tell you whats important ~ They have nothing in common with you. ` nothing !
And for what it worth to you ~ if you are listen ~ ~ The last damn thing we need is more Government! ~ I don't know where you get that ~ ~ Thats a slime ball that that you just enjoy throwing ` like the rest of your friends ~~ It's in your arsenal of crap to throw ` requires no thought ~ we have way to much government as is. ~ We've restricted ourselfs with too much government as is ~ Close your eyes and Drink your Kool Aid. ` ~ The O'Really show is coming on.
~dar
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| What does the term Liberal Media mean to you
Posted: 4/4/2008 8:07:17 AM | Monty, the "news" stories you posted aren't news, they're commentary / editorials. I would have though you possessed the ability to distinguish between the two. Brian Williams, Matt Lauer, Katie Couric, Brit Hume, etc., are Reporters, they are tasked with delivering facts, not adding their personal opinions through editorializing or commentary. In fact, it is irresponsible of them to add anything to any story without qualifying it as a personal position or opinion. On the other hand, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, Neal Bortz, Tim Russert, Randi Rhodes, Al Franken, etc., are political commentators, they are paid SPECIFICALLY for their personal opinions, editorializations and commentary on political and social issues. In fact, Hannity, Limbaugh and Bortz all tell you they represent a conservative perspective of the issues, while Franken, Rhodes and Garafalo don't identify their position as liberal, and represent their opinions as indisputable fact / news rather than simple political commentary.
Look at the standard of living, especially in regards to how average Americans live, and compare now to then . Look at how wage inequality has grown, specifically within the last thirty years. Now, even with two people working full time, home ownership is more and more difficult.
I don't know where you get the notion we have reduced the standard of living or that home ownership is difficult anywhere in the US. There are a lot of people who don’t spend their money wisely and come up short at the end of the month, but that’s a choice they make, not anything more sinister than that. There are a lot of people who unwisely buy homes that their income cannot support, but there is always affordable housing within a reasonable commute of any metropolitan area (exceptions of course being liberal Mecca’s like LA, DC, Miami and NYC). There is a huge difference between needs and wants, and an individual’s inability to reconcile the issue does not mean they were left behind in any manner. Everyone wants to live in a loft in Manhattan or a Log Cabin on the Lake, or perhaps a mansion in Beverly Hills even, but unless they’ve demonstrated a uniquely marketable skill, it isn’t going to happen. An example, a college graduate makes an average of $250,000 more over a lifetime than a high school graduate, yet some choose not to go to college. The inequity in their income is a result of their specific choices, not some evil government conspiracy to "keep the man down". It isn’t “unfair” that someone with a $35,000 income can’t afford a $500,000 home, what’s unfair is some thinking that the rest of us should supplement that income so that they can live in the opulence that all socialists feel entitled to. If someone looks “wide-eyed” at a Mercedes S600 and proclaims they can’t afford transportation because the car they want is priced at $160,000, any reasonable person would think them unbalanced since there are new cars available at less than 10% of the cost. Yet when it comes to housing, for some reason we always have a socialist in the crowd that screams we must end the social and economic division between Anesthesiologists and Burger Flippers by redistributing the wealth via tax increases, housing supplements and corporate bailout of mortgage institutions.
There are 100,000 times more $50,000 homes in the US than $500,000, which would place the mortgage at right around $350-$400 with PI&TI, yet people choose to spend their money on 22” tires and wheels, cell phone plans, internet service, restaurants, movies, happy hour, clubbing etc., and whine because they can’t afford it. By the way, the rule of thumb for home loans is based on your unencumbered income and if I’m not mistaken, it is around 38%. Without even considering the low and no interest programs offered by the government to low income families, at minimum wage here in Florida, that $350 - $400 per month house payment is 30% -34% of income, add in a second income, which most of us have to do to get what we want while maintaining a specific lifestyle, and that actual percent of income dedicated to housing is cut in half. Yet for some reason, people still whine that they can’t find affordable housing. They actually can manage to dedicate 15% of their income towards living indoors, unfortunately 15% of $30,000 won’t make you next door neighbors with Bill Gates, and that my friend is their real issue… They want to live in the big house without earning the right to the address through physical or academic sweat, and there are always people like you willing to hand it over to them. Did I mention that they call their complaints on their $200 per month cell phone plan?
Look at how many hours people worked then, and how many they work now. Depends on the job, farmer’s work an average of 12 per day, always have, likely always will. The growth of unions and the passage of labor laws have cut most work weeks by 1/3 – 1/2, consequently the hourly wage compensation for those additional 20 – 40 hours went away too. Those of us who prefer to make the additional sacrifice of time actually appreciate the abbreviated week, it allows us to work two jobs when we need to.
Look at the cost of food, then and now. Well let’s see… let’s take Milk since it’s easier to track than anything else, and the measurement isn’t subjective like a loaf of bread is.
1947 - .78
1967 – 1.15 (+47%)
1977 – 1.67 (+45%)
1987 – 2.15 (+28%)
1997 – 2.89 (+34%)
2000 – 3.24 (+12%)
2008 – 3.89 (+20%)
Overall increase in 60 years, 498%. Increase in median income over the same period, 2026% ($2,379 – 1945 v. $48,201 – 2006). Now let’s consider housing, and I can only find detailed records back to ’68, so… in 1968 the median income was $7,700, and the median home price was $20,100, or a ratio of income to housing % of 26%. In 2007 the median income was $48,201 and the median home price was $223,700, or a ratio of income to housing % of 46%. That increase is largely attributable to the artificial inflation of the market caused by the influx of sub prime buyer competition. It really is no different than the family farm crisis of the late 70’s early 80’s in which properties were overvalued, loans were issued at high interest rates with principal payments far above the farmers ability to repay, subsequently resulting in foreclosure.
For those of us old enough, think back to when you were younger, and how much further a paycheck went back then. Nostalgia is a wonderful thing. It’s seldom accurate, but it still gives one a warm and fuzzy feeling. I remember when milk was 10 cents a carton in grade school, I also remember a lot of days when my parents didn’t have a dime to give to me.
Take a look at all those things, and then tell me again who is experiencing "ignorant contentment". Ummmm…. You (you did ask!)
And, again returning to the topic at hand, I submit another concept for you to consider. If one looks at the current humanitarian crisis in Iraq, you'll find it's almost a non-story in the US media. Outside the USA, that's not the case. Monty, it’s pretty clear that until people in the US refer to each other as “Comrade” nothing here will be liberal enough to suit you.
The story is big enough, and it's certainly a legitimate one. There's a certain segment of the population that's against the war. Journalists, especially American ones, are well aware of it
It's just not mentioned. . Big enough to interest you, when you become news director for a network newspaper or local TV station you get to make that decision, till then, you don’t. Clinton was convicted of perjury and obstruction of justice, but it was a blowjob that got all the network air time, not the actual news… It’s like DAR says, yellow journalism plain and simple. The mainstream media focuses on sensationalizing issues and if they can’t get an edge over the competition by painting it to where it’s attractive to their target demographic (moderate to rabid liberals) then they don’t bother with it.
Aside from the costs of this war, the USA (with it's current economic problems) is still able to run up the highest increase in military spending since WW2. Actually in 1941 and 1968 dollars it’s not that dramatic of an increase, but again, once you become President of the US, you will get to make those key decisions, till then, sorry you’ll just have to learn to live peacefully along side us selfish capitalist **stards.
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| What does the term Liberal Media mean to you
Posted: 4/4/2008 10:08:44 AM |
Big enough to interest you, when you become news director for a network newspaper or local TV station you get to make that decision, till then, you don’t.
So what you are saying here, id I understand you correctly, is that a massive humanitarian crisis in a country the US invaded.....isn't a valid news topic ?
Actually in 1941 and 1968 dollars it’s not that dramatic of an increase, but again, once you become President of the US, you will get to make those key decisions, till then, sorry you’ll just have to learn to live peacefully along side us selfish capitalist **stards.
Well, let's see.....
Pentagon overspent budget by $295 billion
An auditor's report presented to the US Congress this week reveals inefficient spending and missed deadlines.
By Tom McCawley
posted April 03, 2008 at 10:21 am EDT
The Washington Post reports:
The Government Accountability Office found that 95 major systems have exceeded their original budgets by a total of $295 billion, bringing their total cost to $1.6 trillion, and are delivered almost two years late on average. In addition, none of the systems that the GAO looked at had met all of the standards for best management practices during their development stages.
Auditors said the Defense Department showed few signs of improvement since the GAO began issuing its annual assessments of selected weapons systems six years ago. "It's not getting any better by any means," said Michael Sullivan, director of the GAO's acquisition and sourcing team. "It's taking longer and costing more."
The GAO said that Pentagon spending on weapons programs has rocketed to a 20-year high of $1.6 trillion, Agence France-Presse reports. The GAO said a total of 72 programs, including combat ships, fighter jets, and satellites, were over budget.
According to the 195-page GAO report (links to PDF file), the Pentagon has doubled the sum pledged to new weapons systems from $790 billion in 2000 to $1.6 trillion in 2007. The GAO also concluded current programs are delivered 21 months late on average.
Commentator Robert Scheer, a journalist and editor of the website TruthDig, called the recent spending the "highest run-up in military spending since World War II."
This is not about the waste of taxpayer dollars – already pushing a trillion – in funding the Iraq war, which, while reprehensible enough, pales in comparison to the big-ticket military systems purchased in the wake of 9/11.
Another recent government audit found that the Army had gaps in its soldiers' safety standards, USA Today reports. A Defense Department audit found that the Army couldn't be sure some of its body armor met safety standards.
http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/0403/p99s01-duts.html
For the 2009 fiscal year, the Defense Department is asking for $515 billion and a separate $70 billion to cover war costs into the early months of a new administration. Those amounts combined would represent the highest level of military spending since the end of World War II (adjusted for inflation). Already, defense spending hovers around 4 percent of gross domestic product (GDP), a level that would represent the new floor for defense budgets if many in the Pentagon have their way. Defense Secretary Robert Gates and other senior officials believe that that floor is the minimum needed to fund the department and the war on terrorism more broadly, regardless of operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.
http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/0206/p02s02-usmi.html
That's aside from that "missing" money...
WHAT HAPPENED TO $1 TRILLION?
Though Defense has long been notorious for waste, recent government reports suggest the Pentagon's money management woes have reached astronomical proportions. A study by the Defense Department's inspector general found that the Pentagon couldn't properly account for more than a trillion dollars in monies spent. A GAO report found Defense inventory systems so lax that the U.S.
Army lost track of 56 airplanes, 32 tanks, and 36 Javelin missile command launch-units.
And before the Iraq war, when military leaders were scrambling to find enough chemical and biological warfare suits to protect U.S. troops, the department was caught selling these suits as surplus on the Internet "for pennies on the dollar," a GAO official said.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2003/05/18/MN251738.DTL
If the welfare department "lost" a trillion dollars....there'd be an uproar.
Because it's money that goes into the military industrial complexes pockets....it's no real problem at all. Even the media generally ignores it. | |
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| What does the term Liberal Media mean to you
Posted: 4/4/2008 11:14:11 AM |
I don't know where you get the notion we have reduced the standard of living or that home ownership is difficult anywhere in the US. There are a lot of people who don’t spend their money wisely and come up short at the end of the month, but that’s a choice they make, not anything more sinister than that.
Message: Where does anyone get the notion???????? Notion? Just because a few? ~
Lots of people that spend their money unwisely????????? Like maybe 90%???
So is it a "few"or a lot?
You are more correct with the latter. ~
Unwisely? ~ Bear Stearns ~ unwise? ~
Bailing spectulators out of jam ~ with My money is a good thing? !~
"Notion" of reduced standard of living??
Let me have a pull off that jug Tim ! ~ I want to tip toe through the tulips with you !
From 2005 to 2006 the top 1% of tax payers increased years gains of $7,000.00.
From the same peroid the balance increased $20.00 ~
I don't know if thats true or not ~ It was on the "news" ~ I only know for sure ~ I didn't get my 20. spot. ~ So for the few that got $40.00 I got nothing ~
Tim, you are clueless as to whats going on in this country ~ You are some far out of touch with reality ~ I'm supprised that you don't have standing reserverations of Air Force One.
It's sad state of affairs went Canadians know more about whats happen in America then a few of her loudest citizens.
Actually in 1941 and 1968 dollars it’s not that dramatic of an increase, but again, once you become President of the US, you will get to make those key decisions, till then, sorry you’ll just have to learn to live peacefully along side us selfish capitalist **stards.
There is not hope for you ~ you are totally consumed with what ever you've been absorbing ~ mutated into the "ugly american" ~ You are completely off the chart with your message. ~dar | |
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| What does the term Liberal Media mean to you
Posted: 4/4/2008 5:25:29 PM | WOW! Now that was a glowing recommendation! 
I am an ugly American because I believe people need to pull their own weight.
I am an ugly American because I believe everyone should be able to spend their earnings as they see fit and not have it redistributed by government so that the lazy don't have to break a sweat.
I am an ugly American because I believe people are accountable for their actions.
I am an ugly American because I believe that government wastes more than half of the moneys they collect on unnecessary employees, unnecessary pork projects, and unnecessarily high salaries for the people who can't efficiently and effectively manage it.
I am an ugly American because I believe throwing more of my money at the philosophically flawed system will do nothing to fix it, but will eventually pull the poverty level to my income and then it will truly be a socialist nation, only two classes of people, the haves, and the have not’s....
I'm clueless because I know the difference between the houses of 60 years ago didn't have the things that have increased their costs significantly, like Central heat and air (a 10% item by itself), built in microwaves, solid surface counter tops, a second bathroom, 450 additional square feet, two car garage vs a single car garage or carport, electronic media wiring in every room, irrigated lawns, stringent building codes even in the most rural areas... we've improved the product but fail to consider the improvements have cost, and those costs are significant.
I'm clueless because I recognize the difference between news and political commentary.
I'm clueless because I think cutting taxes for corporations benefits everyone, because consumers pay the taxes, not the corporations. If you don't believe me wait until they levy a 10% tax on bit oil, you'll see cgas prices increase 11 or 12% to cover the taxes and the cost of financing the additional investment.
I'm clueless because I think trickle down economics works, because I've never had a poor man write me a paycheck, it's always been signed by someone with more money than me, and when the company did well, I generally got wage increases and bonuses....
I'm clueless because I see hypocrisy and point it out rather than accept that there are two sets of rules by which things should operate, i.e.;
If we had a factual accounting of current events and the decisions made in higher levels of government ~ We'd have Americans up in arms, ~ 43 , Carl Rowe, Chaney , Rumsfield and the "Wolf" ~ and Company ~ would'nt be allowed on government property. Both , people from the Right & the Left would run them off the lot. Per your own admission, your opinions are based on speculation and innuendo, not fact. I can see where you might think there is something fishy going on, but until it is proven, it isn't fact; it's merely a subjective and biased opinion.... People without preconceptions rooted in hatred and bias can see that, clearly you cannot.
Instead ~ what we have ~ is these ~~ nanny -nanny poo poo games ~ Childish ~ name calling and the blame game. ~ Reaching back years ago ~ to defend a present flawed position ~ "well ~~ he did it first!" ~ he told lies too! ~ Liberals ~ socialism !! So you can call the Bush Administration liars, thieves, frauds, etc, etc, etc with out any proof, merely a reference to some editorial someone wrote that you happen to agree with and it's perfectly justified. Yet when some one quotes actual historic documented fact, you proclaim they're just being childish?!?!?!?!? If Bush lied about Iraq, then so did Clinton and for just as many years and using the exact same sources of information.... the simple fact is, you have two sets of rules, ones for the blue team and one for the red. You hate Republicans so badly for what they did to your hero in convicting him of perjury and obstruction of justice you're in denial that it ever occurred. While dismissing it as a simple hummer, you latch on to any media reported conspiracy issue that fits your agenda and run with it proclaiming all others to be void of human instincts, cogent thought, etc., even when the snake oil you’re selling is contrary to common sense.
An attempt to explain away and justify ~ insanity. I agree dar, you're sounding less and less lucid.... | |
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| What does the term Liberal Media mean to you
Posted: 4/5/2008 11:09:42 AM | to my canadian friends:
congratulations. usually you cut n paste some ridiculous leftist or at the very least liberal media source. using the cs monitor is the first sign i've seen of use of a reputable publication. good work, keep it up! | |
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Posted: 4/6/2008 7:14:47 AM | Okay news desk here this morning ~ GM is attempting to sell off excess "sport utility vechicles" inventorys ` ~ 3 week halt in production ~ Guess they made too many of them.
Hmm ~ 80,000 lost their jobs in march of 08 ~ the greatest loss in 5 years they say ~
here 's my favorite, The federal reserve; seems a penny is now costing 1.7 cents to make ~ but a nickel cost 9.5 cents to make ~ Wow! we are making some real progress there! ~ the Federal Mint is hoping for a run ~ They are looking for a cost cutting ways to make the new coin "by" finding new ways to forecast the expected demand!
They make 15.4 billon coins a year. ~ I wonder if thats cost or face value? ~ Sounds like they already know the demand ~ 15.4 billion
Now if that not a crock of crap ~ why don't they make them of plastic! ~ new way of forecasting my ass. ~ My government at work.
This is conservative newspaper ~ after 30 years ~ mother quit reading it ~ to much right spin for her taste.
It's a MLK celebration of 40 years ~ nice picture ~ Nergo gent in a bright red shirt holding up a sign ~ saying " 40 years and still not free" ~~ Damn ? ~ What kind of freedom is he wanting? ~ He wasn't handcuffed or chained up! ~ He appears as free as I am. ~ More so ~ I'd never get away with wearing such a pretty red shirt!
People are going to pay for their Air -Condition this summer. ~ R22 ( the old standard)
chlorodifluoromethane ~ cost has jumped from $99.00 to 168.00 since fall. ~ copper is out of sight ~ people are stealing copper ~ where ever they can find it ~ One of my church accounts had someone steal the copper out of 5 remote condensers ~ two , 5 tons ~ , one 7 1/2 and two 10 tons ~ cost to repair exceeded replacement cost ~ they are out of business ~~ electric energy cost, ~ you know about ~
Good news! General Libility Insurance went down ~ I take that and my tax refund add 2000 dollars to it and help a nephew secure immigration papers for is Mexican National wife ~ as is ~ she stuck with the 3 babies down in Brownsville and can't come to live with the family ~ The babies are precious ~ well two of them ~ one I could drown. ~ but they grow up and supprise you sometimes.
I don't hate the GOP ~ I dislike this adminstration ~ I wish the GOP would have offered more resistance to this adminstrations policies and I fail to understand what Bill and Monica's quality time has to do with me of the state of affairs of my country.
Are far as cut and paste ~ It's demostrated the stark difference ~ one is news and one is news lite ~ less annoying facts and half the picture. ~ The conservation of the truth by omission ~ making it have a less liberal taste. ~ Yummie!
It's value is that of Lite beer ~ something to wash your socks with
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I am an ugly American because I believe people are accountable for their actions.
I am an ugly American because I believe that government wastes more than half of the moneys they collect on unnecessary employees, unnecessary pork projects, and unnecessarily high salaries for the people who can't efficiently and effectively manage it.
I am an ugly American because I believe throwing more of my money at the philosophically flawed system will do nothing to fix it,
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No! ~ that make you a man I can believe in ~
You views of a southern democrate ~ is considerably off target ~ and fails to reflect the realities that you place under that label. ~ So I natural take exception to you inference statements and offer you banter and resistance.
In contrast ~ I perceive you as that 31 % die hard support of the GOP ~ and would carry this counrty to hell in a hand basket under the banner of the GOP rather then concede you just might be in error.
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| What does the term Liberal Media mean to you
Posted: 4/7/2008 8:27:05 AM |
to my canadian friends:
congratulations. usually you cut n paste some ridiculous leftist or at the very least liberal media source. using the cs monitor is the first sign i've seen of use of a reputable publication. good work, keep it up!
Well trapper, Gonzo here, and I've always maintained if you Americans got off the couch and understood economic / foriegn policy by electing your Texas congressman, we'd move our family and business' to the US in a second.
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Posted: 4/7/2008 8:29:03 AM | | "Liberal media" or "conservative media" is unavoidable, unless we limit the first amendment, something most of us probably would not want. After all, once the majority of a network is conservative/liberal their broadcast/publications/etc. will probably lean to their views. I see myself as middle of the road, and would appreciate network that is not so heavily left or right. That being said, I think most networks this election season are more candidate centered than liberal/conservative. In actuality, FOX news is probably the most fair network right now. I do realize this will change once the democrats have a nominee. Most of the liberal networks are unfairly biased towards Obama right now. | |
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Posted: 4/7/2008 10:42:51 AM | what newspaper did you say that was? quote]
Message: That was the Fort Worth Star Telegram
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That being said, I think most networks this election season are more candidate centered than liberal/conservative. In actuality, FOX news is probably the most fair network right now. I do realize this will change once the democrats have a nominee. Most of the liberal networks are unfairly biased towards Obama right now.
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Interesting observation ~
Is that Fox News or Fox programing in general?
I've not been watching of late ~ too much hype every where for my taste ~ I attempt to not be contaminated by it all~ choosing rather to ~ read from many different sources ~ every 15 days are so. ~ I know this , Fox can get on a tear ~ and run something in the ground ` at will! ~dar
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| What does the term Liberal Media mean to you
Posted: 4/7/2008 10:27:00 PM | | Ok so what I meant was, obviously FOX is still basking in their conservatism, but they do treat both Democratic candidates more fairly than say CNN or MSNBC...I am staying away from the mainstream media myself these days, well as much as I can without being totally out of the loop. And I meant, FOX news in general. | |
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Posted: 4/8/2008 6:45:03 PM | Subject: Fw: How journalists see things
A biker is riding by the zoo, when he sees a little girl leaning into the lion's cage. Suddenly, the lion grabs her by the cuff of her jacket and tries to pull her inside
to slaughter her, under the eyes of her screaming parents. The biker jumps off his bike, runs to the cage and hits the lion square on the nose with a powerful punch.
Whimpering from the pain the lion jumps back, letting go of the girl. The biker brings her to her terrified parents, who thank him endlessly.
A reporter has seen the whole scene, and addressing the biker, says - "Sir, this was the most gallant and brave thing I saw a man do in my whole life."
"It was nothing, really, the lion was behind bars. I just saw this little kid in danger, and SOMEBODY had to save her."
"Well, I'll make sure this won't go unnoticed. I'm a journalist, you know", the reporter said, "and tomorrow's papers will have this on the first page. What motorcycle do you drive?"
"A Harley Davidson."
The journalist leaves.
The following morning the biker buys the paper to see if it indeed brings news of his actions, and reads, on first page:
BIKER GANG MEMBER ASSAULTS AFRICAN IMMIGRANT
AND STEALS HIS LUNCH.
~ and so it goes~
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Posted: 4/9/2008 9:26:15 AM |
I don't hate the GOP ~ I dislike this adminstration ~ I wish the GOP would have offered more resistance to this adminstrations policies and I fail to understand what Bill and Monica's quality time has to do with me of the state of affairs of my country.
This is precisely the denial I was referring to in post #231:
” You hate Republicans so badly for what they did to your hero in convicting him of perjury and obstruction of justice you're in denial that it ever occurred. While dismissing it as a simple hummer, you latch on to any media reported conspiracy issue that fits your agenda and run with it proclaiming all others to be void of human instincts, cogent thought, etc., even when the snake oil you’re selling is contrary to common sense.”
Are far as cut and paste ~ It's demostrated the stark difference ~ one is news and one is news lite ~ less annoying facts and half the picture. ~ The conservation of the truth by omission ~ making it have a less liberal taste. ~ Yummie! It’s only news if you say so? WOW! What an awesome responsibility! Clinton getting a blowjob is newsworthy, Clinton getting convicted of perjury and obstruction of justice isn’t. Playing “what flavor is this cigar” and spewing spooge on a blue dress is newsworthy, being fined and disbarred isn’t…
Iraq has a budget surplus from the oil money and is very close to being able to pay their own way… guess that’s not newsworthy either, well unless they can connect the funds directly to Exxon Mobile and figure out a way to make it scandalous.
You views of a southern democrate ~ is considerably off target ~ and fails to reflect the realities that you place under that label. ~ So I natural take exception to you inference statements and offer you banter and resistance. My views? My “views” were taken directly from sources such as Wikipedia, Britannica, and other presumably unbiased sources. If you’re saying Lester Maddox wasn’t Jimmy Carter’s running mate and Lt. Governor of Georgia, and had Carter’s endorsement for his own gubernatorial campaign, you really REALLY need to look up a little more history; it seems you have the misconception about southern democrats and liberals in general… I realize everyone wants to align themselves with what they feel is just and right, but history just isn’t on your side on this issue.
In contrast ~ I perceive you as that 31 % die hard support of the GOP ~ and would carry this counrty to hell in a hand basket under the banner of the GOP rather then concede you just might be in error. Your perception is no more accurate than your opinions about what is newsworthy. While I am a republican, I actually subscribe to the conservative philosophy rather than simply a party line.
If you’ll look over my past posts you’ll see that I am not a particular supporter of Bush or McCain, and am actually voting for Obama. You seem to have mistaken my abhorrence for hypocrisy and double standards for toeing the party line. It’s a common misperception; most liberals can’t see anything that opposes them as anything other than evil. (So much for the open-mindedness of liberals….) | |
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Posted: 4/9/2008 10:00:54 AM | There is a conservative bias in mainstream media. Just look at the two spiritual advisers of Obama and McCain. They are jumping all over Obama's former pastor, while McCain's advisor, Parsley, is a total nutjob, but is getting a "pass" from the media. The media isn't jumping all over McCain's pastor because of that conservative bias. The conservative bias is there because mainstream media is owned mostly by large corporations, which tend to support a more conservative view.
The liberal media would be the likes of alternative newspapers and Air America Radio.
Newspapers in general run the gamut from liberal to conservative (New York Times, liberal, Washington Times, conservative--and owned by the Moonies Check that out my friends!!)
I read the liberal to center-right columnists, but ignore the likes of Cal Thomas because the far right columnists are plain crazy. To learn the more conservative side with a more rational perspective I often read George Will, William Safire and I miss William Buckley's interesting perspectives. The more liberal columnists include Bob Herbert of the NY Times who is an excellent columnist. I also miss Molly Ivins and her delightful sense of humor. | |
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Posted: 4/9/2008 10:20:42 AM | Clinton getting a blowjob is newsworthy
Message: I don't think so ~ but you must ~ do we differ there? ~ There be no need for all the other ~ If this was not news ~ would there?
Your perception is no more accurate than your opinions about what is newsworthy. While I am a republican, I actually subscribe to the conservative philosophy rather than simply a party line You subscribe hmm~
when is your subscription up? ~ So the subscription allows you insights that qualifies you to judge other people lacking of perception ~
My views? My “views” were taken directly from sources such as Wikipedia, Britannica, and other presumably unbiased sources.
Sounds to me like ~ you views are barrowed and liking in life experience ~ So you are an Academian. ~ So now we know ~ it finally can out ~ I understand you better already. ~
(So much for the open-mindedness of liberals….)
Open minded enough to engage you and attempt to figure out ~ who's Kool Aid you've been drinking. ~
Have a good day Tim ~ Obama is holding up well ~ I fear given the choise, Mc Cain will win. ~ The race issue ~ it's been an uphill fight. ~ If he don't make it this time ~ maybe next election. ~ but what do I know ~ I'm just a liberal ~
Cal Thomas is another Academian ~ The bird cage is the best place for his stuff
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Posted: 4/9/2008 11:59:11 AM | | great reverse barometer! my compliments. cal thomas is one of the most steady and sensible media people there are. if you dont like him, well that says something about you, dontcha think? and who says wiki isnt biased? | |
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Posted: 4/9/2008 3:41:40 PM | | OP, I understand liberal used to mean "stand for liberty" and it has today come to mean "defend the government". The media is basically just 6 major corporations who are big players in the war games of the industrial military complex. Long live CIA "Operation Mockingbird" !!! | |
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Posted: 4/9/2008 4:21:07 PM | Liberal Media = Neocon attempts to discount facts
The only totaly biased media outlet is Fox News...the other news outlets might (and I stress the word might) have liberal leanings, but they also have conservative voices in their reporting. If I were to beleive the stuff Fox News portrays, I would think that George W. has actualy been a good president....Please! | |
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Posted: 4/9/2008 4:30:13 PM | I'll agree that Cal Thomas's has a monotone consistancy ~ ~ void of fevered pitch and wild emotional outbreaks ~ thats why the bird loves him so much. ~
Cal Thomas seem isolated from the the pulse of the people but rather steeped in behavior and ways of political chicanery. ~ Like I suggested, he's academian ~ and "subscribes" to the rigid conservative ~ ideology. ~ Lived in a bubble too long, gated community crowd ~ I figure. ~ If it worked in practical application as well as in theory ~ I'd be a big fan. ~ If you going to drink the Kool Aid ~ his has less negative side affect ~ and is less bitter then many.
Money does insulate you from society if you allow it too. ~ I don't begrudge the money , I begrudge the Ivory Tower effect that this causes in some people.
I stand corrected ~ dar | |
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| What does the term Liberal Media mean to you
Posted: 4/9/2008 5:20:31 PM |
when is your subscription up? ~ So the subscription allows you insights that qualifies you to judge other people lacking of perception ~
Hopefully I'll never unsubscribe to the values you consider to be indicative of "ugly Americans". As for my insight, I am an expert on "me" and since in post 233 you offered your perception of me: "In contrast ~ I perceive you as that 31 % die hard support of the GOP ~ and would carry this counrty to hell in a hand basket under the banner of the GOP rather then concede you just might be in error."I feel very comfortable in pointing out your errors.
Since you constantly refer to the Clinton issue as merely an extra-marital indiscretion, I feel very comfortable in pointing out how you minimize the issue by accepting the sensational aspect portrayed by the media (yellow press) rather than actually looking into the factual aspect of matter yourself. The vast majority of people convicted of perjury and obstruction of justice spend years in a penitentiary; the liberal version of punishment for these felonies is to send the convict back to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, at least when he’s a liberal icon….
Sounds to me like ~ you views are barrowed and liking in life experience ~ So you are an Academian. ~ So now we know ~ it finally can out ~ I understand you better already. ~ Academian? If you mean Academic, the answer is no, I was too anxious to start earning my own way in the world to spend half of my adult life in college … I did pay attention in school though, and also paid a great deal of attention to people who had experienced a truly hard life such as my parents, grandparents, and great grandparents. Combining my own life experience with my studies, and incorporating the wisdom and common sense gathered from my elders has given me the ability to see things in their most simplistic terms. I don’t presume to be all knowing, I don’t presume to force my beliefs on others, but I do have a penchant for pointing out the obvious, and in this case it’s the double standard and blatant hypocrisy that seems to be the cornerstone of the liberal base of the Democratic Party. | |
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Posted: 4/9/2008 8:23:12 PM | Cal Thomas is the most clueless columnist I've ever read. No wonder--he's a wonk who sits in his gated community and has no idea how the average person lives. Cal Thomas also spews hatred and uses his religion to promote bigotry and prejudice--talk about double standards and hypocrisy--Cal Thomas is just one example of the hypocrisy of the far right--bogus "Christians" who use their religion as an excuse to spew hatred against gays, lesbians and even Muslims. Yes, he is monotonous--the same disgusting hateful talk week after week.
George Will on the other hand may be a conservative writer, but he's interesting, and writes on a very wide variety of topics ranging from history, to baseball, and even a very good movie review. At least he has a life, and his columns are often enjoyable reading, even if I don't agree with his more political writings. Being a sports fan, I like his columns on baseball. He is more center-right, and his writings have broad appeal among liberals and conservatives alike. Unlike Cal Thomas' monotony, George Will surprises me every week with an interesting column about something new. Wish more columnists were able to write on a variety of topics!! Many are monotonous. I like Leonard Pitts, but he talks too often on the race issue. I think if he branched out more and wrote on more subjects he would do as well as George Will, but from a liberal perspective. My favorite liberal columnist is Bob Herbert, and of course my favorite conservative one is George Will. I loved the late Molly Ivins on the liberal side, and miss William F. Buckley's writings on the conservative side.
I get much of my information not only from the liberal side, but also from the Web, TV news, and the newspaper. I read the liberal, moderate and center-right stuff, but I tune out the far right trash that the likes of Cal Thomas spews. Best off to ignore that absurdity. | |
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Posted: 4/9/2008 10:12:49 PM | I miss Buckley too! ~ he was treat to listen to ` ~ shame many of the greats are gone ~ we even lost Charleston Heston a few days back ~ a big tree has fell. ~ "Let my people go!"
~dar
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I don’t presume to be all knowing, I don’t presume to force my beliefs on others, but I do have a penchant for pointing out the obvious, and in this case it’s the double standard and blatant hypocrisy that seems to be the cornerstone of the liberal base of the Democratic Party.
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obvious Hmmm ~ funny , I was thinking the same thing about the GOP, Hypocrisy completely void of boundries and limitations and superseded only by the inifinite ability to defer guilt and blame. | |
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