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| What does the term Liberal Media mean to you
Posted: 4/10/2008 11:40:25 AM | "The only totaly biased media outlet is Fox News...the other news outlets might (and I stress the word might) have liberal leanings, but they also have conservative voices in their reporting."
And MSNBC has recently fired the only conservative voice, so you're statement is sort of incorrect.
P.S. I'm not a neo-con, republican etc. :) | |
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Posted: 4/10/2008 5:49:13 PM |
The media isnt left leaning at all in fact it is so far right if you are moderate your called a crazy liberal.
Message: excellent closing statement ~ very good
you are the second person to openly make the statement ~ or inference.
MG being the first ~ I hope the message was received by many more , I think that it was.
We have travel deep into the land of Ozz ~ the yellow brickroad road has twisted and turned back on itself many times. ~ Found the TinMan with no heart, The Straw man with no brains annd the Lion with no courage of his own, so he growls all the louder to hide his shortcomings.
The wizard, we know ~ he's the one hiding behind the curtain, pulling levels and speaking in the big "outside" voice.
Dorothy only needs to grab up Todo, use her magic shoes, klick her heels and say ~~ "There is no place like home" ~~~~~
and it's "home" where we need to focus ~
It's been a hoot ~ my thanks to all
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| What does the term Liberal Media mean to you
Posted: 4/10/2008 7:56:08 PM | "And MSNBC has recently fired the only conservative voice, so you're statement is sort of incorrect."
I wouldn't exactly call Joe Scarborough and Chris Matthews liberal...I was disapointed to see Tucker Carlson go away...I liked his show. I am calling fooey on your aurgument though! | |
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Posted: 4/11/2008 6:32:44 PM | DANCE I FOUND YOU!!
Breaking from Newsmax.com
Obama Closing Superdelegates Gap
Barack Obama is gaining steadily on Hillary Clinton among Democratic superdelegates, nearly erasing her last advantage in a presidential race where those party insiders could be the ultimate kingmakers.
In a danger sign for Clinton, Obama over the past few months has sharply cut her lead among superdelegates — nearly 800 elected officials and party leaders free to back any candidate.
Story continues below . . .
"Obama has won more delegates, he's won more votes, he's raised more money, and now you see it happening with superdelegates too," said Simon Rosenberg, head of the Democratic advocacy group NDN.
Neither Obama nor Clinton is likely to win enough pledged delegates in state contests to clinch the hard-fought battle for the Democratic presidential nomination, leaving superdelegates to decide the race. The Democratic nominee will face Republican John McCain in the November election.
Despite heavy courting by Clinton, most of the superdelegates who made up their minds since January backed Obama. Clinton's superdelegate lead dwindled to about 30 from 100 in that time.
A count by MSNBC gives Clinton 256 superdelegates to Obama's 225. Obama, an Illinois senator, has gained steam in the past month, winning more than two dozen new commitments, compared with a handful for Clinton, a New York senator.
"It has been a drip, drip, drip toward Obama," said Steven Schier, a political analyst at Carleton College in Minnesota.
"Superdelegates can see Obama's advantages growing, and it's pretty clear it's going to be very hard for Clinton to catch him," he said. "If Obama notches a few more victories, it could become a stampede."
Obama has suggested that superdelegates back the candidate with the most pledged delegates — he leads by about 130 — and popular votes. He leads Clinton by about 700,000 votes, excluding contests in Florida and Michigan that were not sanctioned by the national party.
Clinton has struggled to overtake Obama in the Democratic contest and has rejected calls from some Obama supporters to get out of the race.
More than 300 superdelegates remain uncommitted or have yet to be named, giving the candidate who wins the bulk of them a path to the nomination.
CLINTON TRIES TO CLOSE GAP
Clinton hopes a strong run in the last 10 contests starting April 22 in Pennsylvania will close the gap with Obama in pledged delegates and popular votes, bolstering her claim she is best suited to beating McCain.
The private battle for superdelegates has been as tough as the public campaign for votes, with both camps courting uncommitted party leaders and trying to keep supporters in line.
Clinton has suffered high-profile reversals like the decision by U.S. Rep. John Lewis of Georgia, a prominent black supporter, to switch to Obama. Another superdelegate ally, New Jersey Gov. Jon Corzine, suggested that backing a candidate who did not win the popular vote "would be a hard argument to make."
But she recently won the support of U.S. Rep. John Murtha of Pennsylvania and picked up three more superdelegates this week.
"Most superdelegates are in a holding pattern. They're waiting to see what happens in Pennsylvania and down the road before they make any decisions," Clinton spokesman Phil Singer said.
Rosenberg said the recent string of superdelegate endorsements for Obama made that argument hard to swallow. "A substantial number have moved — and most are moving to Obama," he said.
Wayne Holland, chairman of the Utah Democratic Party and a superdelegate, endorsed Obama on Thursday. He said he thought Obama could help Democratic candidates throughout Utah and the West by attracting new voters, donors and volunteers.
"As state chair, my job is to try to elect as many Democrats in various offices in this state as possible," he said. "I was looking for who could best help us win here, and that was overwhelmingly Senator Obama."
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| What does the term Liberal Media mean to you
Posted: 4/12/2008 4:30:23 PM | Yea! Faith ~ that is great new ! ~ He truly has been tested and tempered by the fire.
Obama ~ will only be a stronger person with all he's been through ~ the wife too ~
It's a heck of a learning curve, ~
Glad you found me ~ this has been an excellent thread ~ and expose a lot about what we see happen in America today `
I'm late ~ gotta ~ go~ seeing ya Faith ~ come back ~ I don't guess this is over
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| What does the term Liberal Media mean to you
Posted: 4/14/2008 5:33:33 AM |
"The only totaly biased media outlet is Fox News...the other news outlets might (and I stress the word might) have liberal leanings, but they also have conservative voices in their reporting."
And MSNBC has recently fired the only conservative voice, so you're statement is sort of incorrect.
P.S. I'm not a neo-con, republican etc. :)
I don't think the issue is connected to a particular political philosophy as much as it is an absence of journalistic integrity. There is a buzz that Fox News is biased towards conservatism, when it simply isn't true. Of all the studies conducted that I’ve seen, the results actually show ALL mainstream media NEWS sources to be left leaning, however FOX news leans less left than do NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN or MSNBC. Apparently to some, less liberal, or nuetral equates to conservative...
The majority of popular political commentary / talk shows on Fox clearly have conservative overtones, but those particular programs are not the news, they are political / social commentary "talk" shows ... once again, they are NOT the news, and they do not represent themselves as being anything other than commentary. I initially thought it quite funny that some weren't able to distinguish between the two, now I think it's rather sad to think the so called "enlightened" people are unable to distinguish between fact and opinion or news and commentary.
A large part of the problem associated with the misinformation is in the identification of journalists themselves as either liberal, moderate or conservative and assigning the notion that they are incapable of "reporting" without inserting their individual political agenda. Simply because a person holds a particular political philosophy does in no way indicate them incapable of doing the job of reporting as it should be done, without favoring a political agenda; however some have a certain self righteous arrogance that should preclude them from reporting news. Having said that; Dan Rather was paid to read the news, not create it or provide commentary. Sean Hannity / Alan Colmes are both paid to offer their opinion of political and social issues, not report the news. Yet it's Dan Rather who played a role in falsifying documents intended to bolster wide spread disapproval of President Bush by the viewers of CBS Evening News, and he's STILL considered an icon of journalistic integrity by the far left and the mainstream media itself ... what's worse; the liberal viewers, even after all of that, consider the media to be "conservative"!?!?!?!?!?!
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| What does the term Liberal Media mean to you
Posted: 4/14/2008 6:40:08 AM | well in canada we definity have alot of the so called liberal media , few newspapers like the toronto star are viewed as being part of that . also our national tv channel the " CBC " has been accused of being a little too liberal at times .
so the term liberal media to me , refers to a news outlet that has left of centre/ liberal views and features alot of biased coverage . | |
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| What does the term Liberal Media mean to you
Posted: 4/14/2008 6:47:21 AM |
I don't think the issue is connected to a particular political philosophy as much as it is an absence of journalistic integrity.
Something I partially agree with, at least the part about integrity. 
You write what the boss wants you to write.
Of all the studies conducted that I’ve seen, the results actually show ALL mainstream media NEWS sources to be left leaning, however FOX news leans less left than do NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN or MSNBC. Apparently to some, less liberal, or nuetral equates to conservative...
Well, although my head is spinning like Linda Blair by even contemplating ANYONE describing FOX as "less left" , you've nailed part of the problem.
In an AMERICAN context, where the entire political spectrum is shifted to the right (compared to other liberal thought) then anyone NOT that right is automatically left.
Compared to a world view, outside of the borders of the USA, it's right wing. That's part of the problem here, those nasty cultural filters we all have.
Yet it's Dan Rather who played a role in falsifying documents intended to bolster wide spread disapproval of President Bush by the viewers of CBS Evening News, and he's STILL considered an icon of journalistic integrity by the far left and the mainstream media itself ... what's worse; the liberal viewers, even after all of that, consider the media to be "conservative"!?!?!?!?!?!
That blue kool-aid must be very tasty!
Actually, Rather was set up - and was stupid enough to fall for the trap.
We've discussed this before, in the thread about that PR bonanza.
Two months before the election in 2004, we had the document version of a Trojan horse unleashed against a "rather" stupid journalist who should have known better than to fall for it.
He's gets supplied with the ultimate smoking gun, and his ego gives him target fixation.
And four hours after the story goes to air, something magical occurs.
An Atlanta lawyer, Atlanta attorney Harry W. MacDougald, ( or "Buckethead", his internet nick on FreeRepublic.com) starts posting an incredibly detailed critique (based on images on his low res TV, of documents shown momentarily) that rivals a forensic document specialist in level of detail - accurate detail.
This includes a very specialized subset of inner knowledge of Wang word processors, from that time period.
Four hours later....
The interesting thing ? MacDougald isn't a forensic document specialist, and has no training in the subject.
The very first post attacking the memos — nineteen minutes into the 60 Minutes II program — was on the right-wing Web site FreeRepublic.com by an active Air Force officer, Paul Boley of Montgomery, Alabama, who went by the handle “TankerKC.” Nearly four hours later it was followed by postings from “Buckhead,” whom the Los Angeles Times later identified as Harry MacDougald, a Republican lawyer in Atlanta. (MacDougald refused to tell the Times how he was able to mount a case against the documents so quickly.) Other blogs quickly picked up the charges. One of the story’s top blogs, Rathergate.com, is registered to a firm run by Richard Viguerie, the legendary conservative fund-raiser. Some were fed by the conservative Media Research Center and by Creative Response Concepts, the same p.r. firm that promoted the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth. CRC’s executives bragged to PR Week that they helped legitimize the documents-are-fake story by supplying quotes from document experts as early as the day after the report, September 9. The goal, said president Greg Mueller, was to create a buzz online while at the same time showing journalists “it isn’t just Rush Limbaugh and Matt Drudge who are raising questions.”
http://cjrarchives.org/issues/2005/1/pein-blog.asp
Buckhead now known to be Atlanta lawyer, Harry W. MacDougald, was revealed to be a right-wing operative, who has been involved in any number of right-wing attacks, including the petition drafted in 1998 to suspend Bill Clinton's law license.
It was the first public allegation that CBS News used forged memos in its report questioning President Bush's National Guard service � a highly technical explanation posted within hours of airtime citing proportional spacing and font styles.
But it did not come from an expert in typography or typewriter history as some first thought. Instead, it was the work of Harry W. MacDougald, an Atlanta lawyer with strong ties to conservative Republican causes who helped draft the petition urging the Arkansas Supreme Court to disbar President Clinton after the Monica Lewinsky scandal, the Times has found.
Mr. MacDougald also has had his dirty little fingers in the controversy over whether the electronic voting machines in Georgia are reliable (via Hullabaloo). As Digby said,
Using the new laws of journalism and truth, this is all that's needed as proof that this was a Rovian operation from the get-go. This guy is no expert on typography, and he's an extremely well connected Republican operative who has worked at the highest level of GOP legal circles. That's good enough for GOP government work.
This was a Republican dirty trick.
http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/002695.php
And yet what do people like you believe ?
it's Dan Rather who played a role in falsifying documents
If you truly had a liberal media, this would have been a major news story.
As it was, it assisted in getting Bush re-elected with few questioning it. | |
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| What does the term Liberal Media mean to you
Posted: 4/14/2008 11:00:30 AM | We should have questioned Rather's firing--he was trying to get at the bottom of the TRUTH, that Bush is an AWOL coward and should never have been allowed anywhere near the White House!! | |
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Posted: 4/14/2008 11:42:23 AM |
We should have questioned Rather's firing--he was trying to get at the bottom of the TRUTH, that Bush is an AWOL coward and should never have been allowed anywhere near the White House!!
and barack obama is somehow brave? | |
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Posted: 4/14/2008 1:27:37 PM | yeah you always tell me what a coward president bush is. not like that famous pardoned draft dodger who was president before him, right?
the truth is, as you know, bush flew our hottest plane at the time, on artic circle duty, even volunteering for extra missions defending against Russian attack early 60's. remember NORAD?
yeah, fighter jocks are cowards, i guess. and football players wear panties under their cups, and use perfume out on the field. like when joe namath wore pantyhose.
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Posted: 4/14/2008 5:50:06 PM | Obama had the choice to not join the military--which is fine. He made a choice instead to go to law school and did very well in school. Other fine commanders in chief did not serve in the military, including FDR.
As for Clinton, even though I am not a huge fan of Clinton, the fact is, he did sign up for the draft after he graduated from college and used up all his legal deferrals. His number never came up. Not having a number come up is neither coward nor brave. It's just happenstance. Cheney did the same thing so what's up with that? I call that a double standard. So it's okay for Cheney to dodge the draft, but not for Bill Clinton? Ridiculous!! Not being called isn't the same as draft dodging and I just call that blind luck.
As for Bushboy, shirking its military duty should have disqualified it from ever becoming president. It should have been court martialed and sent to Leavenworth---but nooooooooo, its Daddy had to let it get away with going AWOL. Disgusting!! No AWOL coward should EVER be commander in chief. I'd MUCH rather have someone who did not serve, or even took legal deferrals, after which he was not called over an AWOL coward ANY day!!
I wanted to join the military after college graduation but could not pass the military physical. Had I been in the service I would have resigned my commission once I knew that Bush was on its way to the White House. I would have requested a discharge due to conscientious objection to the idea of serving under an AWOL coward. I would have started the paperwork so that I would be out or on the way out by the time that thing was sworn in to the Presidency. Bushboy does not deserve to be our president and should have been disqualified immediately upon finding out that it was AWOL. Dan Rather was fired for trying to tell the truth about one of our nation's WORST liars. If we truly HAD a liberal media, Dan Rather would still have his job, and perhaps Bushboy would have been ousted a long time ago as it should have been. | |
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| What does the term Liberal Media mean to you
Posted: 4/14/2008 6:13:45 PM |
Obama had the choice to not join the military--which is fine. He made a choice instead to go to law school and did very well in school. Other fine commanders in chief did not serve in the military, including FDR.
As for Clinton, even though I am not a huge fan of Clinton, the fact is, he did sign up for the draft after he graduated from college and used up all his legal deferrals. His number never came up. Not having a number come up is neither coward nor brave. It's just happenstance. Cheney did the same thing so what's up with that? I call that a double standard. So it's okay for Cheney to dodge the draft, but not for Bill Clinton? Ridiculous!! Not being called isn't the same as draft dodging and I just call that blind luck.
As for Bushboy, shirking its military duty should have disqualified it from ever becoming president. It should have been court martialed and sent to Leavenworth---but nooooooooo, its Daddy had to let it get away with going AWOL. Disgusting!! No AWOL coward should EVER be commander in chief. I'd MUCH rather have someone who did not serve, or even took legal deferrals, after which he was not called over an AWOL coward ANY day!!
I wanted to join the military after college graduation but could not pass the military physical. Had I been in the service I would have resigned my commission once I knew that Bush was on its way to the White House. I would have requested a discharge due to conscientious objection to the idea of serving under an AWOL coward. I would have started the paperwork so that I would be out or on the way out by the time that thing was sworn in to the Presidency. Bushboy does not deserve to be our president and should have been disqualified immediately upon finding out that it was AWOL. Dan Rather was fired for trying to tell the truth about one of our nation's WORST liars. If we truly HAD a liberal media, Dan Rather would still have his job, and perhaps Bushboy would have been ousted a long time ago as it should have been.
FDR was a nightmare in my mind. obama made the choice to go to law school and such. he was raised spoiled combing the beaches of hawaii. he went to the most exclusive schools. | |
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| What does the term Liberal Media mean to you
Posted: 4/15/2008 6:37:17 AM | Well, although my head is spinning like Linda Blair by even contemplating ANYONE describing FOX as "less left", you've nailed part of the problem.
In an AMERICAN context, where the entire political spectrum is shifted to the right (compared to other liberal thought) then anyone NOT that right is automatically left.
Compared to a world view, outside of the borders of the USA, it's right wing. That's part of the problem here, those nasty cultural filters we all have.
Actually left is left, right is right and center is center in any context, no matter what flag flies in your front yard… In this case though, you have it backwards, but that's OK...
The data indicates all news outlets in the mainstream media are left leaning. Your rational indicates if not FAR left, then they are conservative, even when the data clearly shows they are not. In order to be accurately depicted as conservative, they would have to be RIGHT of center, but let's not let reality alter perception... After all, the rampant misinformation that FOX News is conservative is actually the greatest marketing tool they could have.
Actually, Rather was set up - and was stupid enough to fall for the trap.
We've discussed this before, in the thread about that PR bonanza.
Two months before the election in 2004, we had the document version of a Trojan horse unleashed against a "rather" stupid journalist who should have known better than to fall for it.
He's gets supplied with the ultimate smoking gun, and his ego gives him target fixation.
And four hours after the story goes to air, something magical occurs.
An Atlanta lawyer, Atlanta attorney Harry W. MacDougald, ( or Buckethead", his internet nick on FreeRepublic.com) starts posting an incredibly detailed critique (based on images on his low res TV, of documents shown momentarily) that rivals a forensic document specialist in level of detail – accurate detail.
This includes a very specialized subset of inner knowledge of Wang word processors, from that time period.
Four hours later....
The interesting thing ? MacDougald isn't a forensic document specialist, and has no training in the subject.
I do so love the half stories released by the liberal media....
According to the news I saw, the document was typed on a PC and printed on an inkjet, not a typewriter or old school word processor with a daisy wheel printer, as would have been the ONLY means of creating a document during the late 60’s early 70’s. I don't think you need a degree in any field of forensic science to make that determination, just an eye for detail and a touch of common sense. Second, the document had been widely circulated for days by CBS News producers in an effort to confirm its validity; it was not challenged with only the limited viewing as your source reports. In fact, there were lead in promo's on CBS all day that showed a full screen snapshot of the document. How do they know that “Buckhead’s” analysis was ”(based on images on his low res TV, of documents shown momentarily)”? Here in the states we have Hi-Definition Plasma TV’s and recording devices known as VHS, and DVD recorders as well as Tivo… Your source depicts a shady lawyer hovering over a 13” black and white TV in a rundown shack, when in fact, Buckhead is the most trendy and one of the more affluent sections of Atlanta, and in all likelihood the gentleman had done I as I suggest, recorded the program, took a snapshot of the document and viewed it on his computer… He does have one; the blogging reported in the story indicates he is no stranger to technology… Perhaps when it was being circulated for verification he was given a copy.... there are numerous ways he could have obtained the document, but those have to be minimized because they don't play into the conspiracy theory.
I find the hypocrisy almost laughable, when an organization comes out against the left, (Swift Boat Veterans) it's a conservative conspiracy, when an organization comes out against the right and get's their asses handed to them, then it's also a conservative conspiracy… 
I guess that dumb ol' hayseed / bumbling idiot from Texas outwitted the pseudo intellectuals yet again...
An aside, I love the way Bush is touted as a coward for serving in the National Guard, when anyone with any military experience knows the National Guard can be called into active duty at any time. The stink seems to be that they can't locate a good portion of his service records, and, according to the left, that is somehow indicative that he didn't honor his service commitment ... the same Government who lost George Washington's teeth and JFK's brain. By utilizing the same logic in that analogy, its indisputable fact that the teeth and brain never existed?!?!?!?!?!? 
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| What does the term Liberal Media mean to you
Posted: 4/15/2008 9:23:25 AM |
Actually left is left, right is right and center is center in any context
Just like black is black, white is white, and grey is grey in any context. | |
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| What does the term Liberal Media mean to you
Posted: 4/15/2008 9:29:04 AM | Not in the US of A
Its far right, moderate rights and thats it.
And the word liberal has been corrupted to mean anyone who does not agree with far righters. | |
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| What does the term Liberal Media mean to you
Posted: 4/15/2008 1:54:04 PM | I have always heard that a Texas Democrats's views ~ were more reflective of the GOP from any other state. ~ I'm not sure where Tim hales from, I need to find out.
But there seems to be fraction of the old John Birch'er and KKK in our mist that make "everything " else appear left leaning , making it difficult to speak and find common ground ~ thou there is "no" disagreement on many of the principle issues.
So we resort to name calling ~ and ask ourselfs , which direction is up?
It seems it only to be in reference to one's self and where you are at ~ at any, one particular time. " Up" could mean many directons.
having many friend from the far right and having family that were Regan Appointee's
you'd think I 'd know something about them.
They's seem to think that people are basicly bad, mean and nasty and not to be trusted. So they feel empowered to think for everyone else. And anything left of that is liberal.
Did I get it right? ~ Try some of the blue Kool Aid ~~ make you relax , feel better.
Truth of it is ~ they are right! ~ people are bad, mean and nasty ~ including them!
So that why we have Cheques and Balances build into our system~ and I resent any adminstration, red or blue , that offers us a rubber stamp Attorney General and attempts to circumvent the system as described by the American Consitutation and the bill of Rights.
Lets be clear here ~ our president is not now or ever has conducted hisself as a coward. ~ and I really don't like to heard that. ~ If you wish to say something mean ~ you have a buffet of truths that he has personally provided for your amusement, pick a dozen or two.
But that won't get us where we wish to go ~ and where is that?
Resolve and resoluation ~ we have come to understand that many "see" the same "news" as we ~ but read it totally different then what we do.
We have learned that ~ there are these far extremes ~ and it is these extremes that keep the discourse alive and with any luck some balance in the center.
We have learned to question all information and question its source.
We have learned that it's not hard to be fooled and we must stay on top of things.
Trust but Varify ~ dar
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| What does the term Liberal Media mean to you
Posted: 4/15/2008 3:05:25 PM | false information posted here, to be corrected
clinton was a draft dodger, and was only saved by carter's blanket amnesty. check liberal wiki on this
bush did perform military service and did not shirk. you were told this many times and still deny it.
do i stutter?
this is a center right country with a leftist media that tries to shepherd the election. somehow the fatcats in nyc, LA, and san fransicko never seem to understand why someone like bush wins twice, or reagan destroys dukakis, or nixon defeats humphrey. thank g-d its that way or else we would all be speaking russian or some chinese dialect, those of us that would be permitted to live. | |
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| What does the term Liberal Media mean to you
Posted: 4/15/2008 7:00:59 PM | | My perception is that 98% of major editorials, television networks and radio are liberal leaning. However, the high percentage was not enough to elect a Liberal/Democrat CIC in 2000 or 2004, although the media might of had an influence in gaining a Democrat majority in Congress... which last I checked had a 18% approval rating. | |
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| What does the term Liberal Media mean to you
Posted: 4/15/2008 7:37:58 PM | Yea ~ stalemated congress ~ sometimes maybe no progress is ~ good progress ~ It's my hope that they are restricting and offering this adminstration resistance. ~ 18 % isn't good is it ~ guess we need better brinkmanship there. ..
glamor6 , you and tim, would be two peas in a pod ~ with your perceptions ~ maybe you'll find each other. ~ dar | |
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Posted: 4/15/2008 8:13:01 PM | FDR a nightmare?!!!!! Wow, that's nuts. FDR was a great president and a fine commander in chief. He didn't serve in the military, and led our country through some very difficult times. He was one of the greatest presidents our country has ever had. Nightmare??!! I don't think so!
Obama's choice of going to law school was just that, a choice. It wasn't illegal, wrong, or bad to go to law school. No draft was in place, so he didn't shirk anything. He did well in law school and will do very well in the White House.
Clinton's deferrals were a choice, (so were Cheney's ), he signed up for the draft as he had to after his deferrals expired, and was not called. Who gets called for the draft is beyond anyone's control. He just got lucky.
BUT going AWOL IS a choice, and it is a disgrace that an AWOL coward is in the White House. Its antics are an embarrassment too, like that Mission Accomplished garbage, prancing around in a flightsuit. I can never refer to Bush as a "he" because to me it is beneath being a human being. It has done things that are very inhumane and very immoral, such as going AWOL and allowing torture to name a few. I hope that thing has an orange jumpsuit in its future (jail time!!).
Men like FDR and Obama may not have served, but they are the kind of men that have what it takes to lead a nation. | |
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