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| What does the term Liberal Media mean to you
Posted: 2/17/2008 7:49:35 AM |
Half a million children died during the economic blockade of Iraq. Madeline Albrught said this was "acceptible".
1.5 million Iraqi's have died since the beginning of the US invasion.
The reason the Bush administration sought immunity from the world court is this is starting to add up to genocide levels of numbers.
Nobody asks for genocide.
These numbers are highly debatable, and are based on polls of like 1,000 to 2,000 people, not based on a body count.
Depending on who you ask, the number is somewhere between 100,000 and 1.5 million.
10,000 is terrible, 100,000 is terrible, and 1.5 million is terrible. I'm not trying to cloud this by saying one groups numbers are better than anothers. Just saying that the numbers I've seen in the 1 million + range are estimates from polling small groups of Iraqi's. | |
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| What does the term Liberal Media mean to you
Posted: 2/17/2008 8:42:31 AM | Charlie,
Since no news source or reporting agency can confirm the death toll it's pure speculation! the number you use as..
640 thousand extra Iraqis have died as a result of the invasion. Diseases which were rare under the Sadamn regime are growing in the population
If the Americans are really there for the Iraqi people, why are they ignoring the fact that he majority of them want you to leave?
640,000 is an erroneous and obtuse figure! every source reporting numbers are in great conflict with not only the number of deaths but further admit the count shall include:
Civil disputes
Revenge
car bombings
suicede bombings
sickness
natural causes
air strikes
friendly fire
insurgents
police/Military (Iraqi)
sunni/shi-ite rivals
hostage taking
work related
Al Qaeda (deaths)
insurgents killing the innocent
assassinations
local crime
family disputes
neighbor disputes
religious conflicts
wounded
anyone who has disappeared
So the list is quite broad as to the reflection of it's numbers! What they do all agree on..is the numbers vary from source to source!
You protected Hawaii from invasion by anexing them. Very nice. No wait, you're moving the goal posts arn't you? Now you invaded and took their resources, for their own good.
Anyway, I'm not even going to get any further into this retarded argument with you, I've shown two cases where Americans have occupied territory for their own advancement. I've show examples of Fox news increasing ignorance in three seperate areas. (of which ONE you dispute under pure speculation) you're a fox news watcher. There really isn't any point in discussion
Many of the interviews I have seen produced by non Liberal news organizations have been very possitive, and countless Iraqi's have Thanked America and praise America for it's sacrafice and have pleaded for American Troops to stay until Iraq is stable! Market places have re-opened Carnivals and parks are returning as safe places, schools, education and development are on the rise! Shi-ite and Sunni leaders are supporting US efforts and over 80,000 civilians have formed neighborhood watch groups in the effort to help Iraqi and American forces, rid their neighborhoods of Al Qaeda and insurgents!
I'm disappointed Charlie...the you would use a mental impairment as your defense to discount my opinion, I thought we were debating not berating! Our opinions may differ as well as the news source we follow, that retards nothing! You seem to be an educated man, although we disagree on the facts or opinions, I won't stoop to petty name calling!
No country has a perfect history and have committed crimes against their own people, in the pursuit of forming their nation, and have some black eyes in how they went about it!
We are no different...Native Americans, Asian Americans, Mexican Americans, Puerto Rican Americans, African Americans, Jewish Americans to name some, have all been treated unfairly in one way or another! On the other hand, this country is the Greatest Country on the face of the planet and have more people trying to get in then leave! It's a melting pot of the world!
If I'm reading you correctly.... I don't belive you would stand by and say nothing if your country was being berated, I believe you would stand up for it, even with all it's good and all it's bad! I personally feel that the Liberal Media...portrays this country at it's worst, discounts it's finest! and doesn't give it credit for all the good it does around the world! At the end of the day..this country does far greater good then it does bad! | |
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| What does the term Liberal Media mean to you
Posted: 2/17/2008 9:00:50 AM |
It's no different now than it was years ago. Growing up it was ABC, NBC, and CBS, with a smaller market for World News on PBS. That was it... that and Newsday or the New York Times. :)
As disturbing as media concentration is, I find the intervention in the American press by the American government to be just as worrisome. We saw that the Bush administration paid journalists to boost their agenda. We saw that the GAO has concluded that much of the vastly-increased advertising budget in the Bush era is spent on propaganda.
In the past, we've seen the CIA use the media on the American people (Operation Mockingbird). Former CIA Director William Colby said there was no one in the media of any significance who was not owned by the CIA. | |
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| What does the term Liberal Media mean to you
Posted: 2/17/2008 9:11:10 AM | "American roads are run under a socialist model. So is the Internet.
I'm not sure you really understand what you said."
Oh I fully understood what I said - and I am opposed to road socialism, like any other socialism. As for the internet being run under a socialist model.... lol? I guess you've never heard of Time Warner? Comcast? Rogers? Etc. etc. | |
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| What does the term Liberal Media mean to you
Posted: 2/17/2008 9:13:36 AM | "640,000 is an erroneous and obtuse figure! every source reporting numbers are in great conflict with not only the number of deaths but further admit the count shall include:"
I agree the number is erronous - the actual death toll is well in excess of a million. The lancet study is quite credible... when you invade a country, a lot of things get messed up... this is the fault of the country that invaded - clearly the deaths caused by poor sanitation, that were caused by bombs being dropped on sanitation plants, are directly due to the invasion. Likewise the deaths from the civil war can be blamed on the invasion, as there (very likely) would not have been a civil war if not for the invasion... | |
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| What does the term Liberal Media mean to you
Posted: 2/17/2008 9:28:46 AM |
Facts would be difficult toestablish,but we should stop de-railing the thread
Liberal media is a label created unto itself like many said it's a buzzword it should be just media or news media latley it is just infotainment they need to cut the entertainment aspect out and go back to just delivering news.
"facts are funny things" Ronald Reagan.IMO this poster agrees with several others
about the downward spiral when the FCC was disbanded and everything started to be
less and less regulated.We are experiencing the same boom and bust cycle just like the many recession ,depression eras.Business gathers more and more power together in one place until the bust happens and then someone will have to come in and bust up the trusts just like inthe 20's and 30's of last century.Then the rebuilding will begin
and money will be pried from the rich peoples hands and redistributed (hopefully)
otherwise hello 3rd world country goodbye superpower. | |
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| What does the term Liberal Media mean to you
Posted: 2/17/2008 12:05:29 PM |
As for the internet being run under a socialist model
I'm sorry you're wrong about this. The nice thing about the net is, unlike all other networking technologies the Internet has no central control. It's edge controlled. That is anybody with a root password can extend the network at the edges ansd in theory that's where control is.
But in practice there is a central choke point. If you look at who actually owns all the domain names and IP addresses and follow the chain of authority you end up at the US Governments doorstep. The names and numbers are state owned resources run on a non-profit basis by the government.
The reason this still is is when Steve Wolff privitized the then govt owned internet he didn't think it was worth the bother to privatize the names and numbes and later regrets this. About a decade ago there was a movement to get these out of the hands of the USG but they were and still are quite insistant it's theirs and won't let go.
The rest of the net is privatly oewned. There's no such thing as the "public internet" - everybody owns their little piece of it. | |
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| What does the term Liberal Media mean to you
Posted: 2/17/2008 12:41:40 PM | ""We saw that the Bush administration paid journalists to boost their agenda. We saw that the GAO has concluded that much of the vastly-increased advertising budget in the Bush era is spent on propaganda. "" MidtownJohn mess#53
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Message: I've always suspect this was the case~ but never priviliged to any supporting data ~ being a plumber mind you ~ you'd think I'd steped in in once or twice ~ lol ~ can you or anyone offer me a place to search for such interesting information? Does this suggest that Mr.Rush or Mr. O'Really can be found with Federal money in their pockets?
I've brought this question up before , months and months ago ~ only to be shot down that it was absurd ~ The Russ was working in a free market place and that ~ supply and demand ruled the day. ~ that I was foolish to consider outerwise. ~dar | |
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| What does the term Liberal Media mean to you
Posted: 2/17/2008 12:58:40 PM | | It's well-documented, dance. The Church Committee and numerous books from former CIA agents like Howard Hunt and others have told the history of Operation Mockingbird, an effort to control public opinion. | |
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| What does the term Liberal Media mean to you
Posted: 2/17/2008 1:16:08 PM | These numbers are highly debatable, and are based on polls of like 1,000 to 2,000 people, not based on a body count.
Depending on who you ask, the number is somewhere between 100,000 and 1.5 million.
10,000 is terrible, 100,000 is terrible, and 1.5 million is terrible. I'm not trying to cloud this by saying one groups numbers are better than anothers. Just saying that the numbers I've seen in the 1 million + range are estimates from polling small groups of Iraqi's.
It's actually the method that Americans train their own people to use in cases of large calamities, and is in fact almost never questioned, until it becomes politically expedient by the Republican party.
The poll numbers are actually quite large for this kind of study. Now the over a million figure? I'm not sure, but remember, that lancet study is OLD now. | |
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| What does the term Liberal Media mean to you
Posted: 2/17/2008 9:23:16 PM | The Duelfer report, released in Oct 2004 by the CIA after an investigation to locate WMD in Iraq concluded that Iraq had no WMD.
The question about whether WMD had been transferred to Syria was investigated further and in March 2005 the CIA released addenda stating that no evidence was found to confirm transfer of WMD to Syria. However it also stated that they could not rule out "unofficial movement of limited WMD related materials" which is essentially a cover one's butt statement. The content of the report makes it clear that Iraq just did not have the ability, the facilities or the materials to create WMD after 1991.
The Duelfer report and addenda are both dated after the dates of the reports posted on this thread suggesting WMD were in Syria. Bush and Blair both later (finally) conceded that Iraq had no WMD. However, using the existence of WMD in Iraq to justify the war is redundant since Bush also stated (after the Duelfer report) that he would have invaded Iraq even if he knew that they didn't have WMD.
Although the Duelfer conclusions, Bush's admittance of no WMD and his statement that he would have invaded anyway were reported by the US media, they received limited coverage - despite the importance of this info.
Many US citizens still don't know that no WMD were found in Iraq and remain unaware of Bush's final acknowledgement. Prior to the Duelfer report Bush had fired Kay, who initially headed up the CIA investigation because Kay's report also concluded that Iraq had no WMD. Duelfer was Kay's replacement and an avid supporter of Bush policy and the war. Got to feel a bit sorry for Duelfer really, if anyone would have wanted to find WMD in Iraq, it must have been Duelfer.
The entire Duelfer report, all 1,440+ pages is available online, as are the addenda, another 100 pages approx. I would consider that the source of this information, the CIA and the investigation as reliable and have confidence in the results.
The study conducted by the Program on International Policy about US public misperceptions was conducted by reputable researchers, the results are available online as is the original questionnaire. The methodolgy is also available, thus any skilled researcher can verify the accuracy of the results. If the study were particularly biased, then data confirming so would have been released by now. Therefore I consider that one can have confidence in the study's results.
best,
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| What does the term Liberal Media mean to you
Posted: 2/18/2008 5:36:18 AM | After it was pointed out that evidence in the Warren Commission contradicted its conclusions, former CIA Director and Commission member Allen Dulles reportedly made the observation that Americans don't read.
That observation is probably more true now than ever. Documents like the Duelfer report, the 9-11 Commission Report or the NIST study of the collapse of the WTC come out and are accepted by some simply because of the sheer volume of pages produced. | |
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| What does the term Liberal Media mean to you
Posted: 3/8/2008 4:20:17 PM | ~ I thank all for you're thoughts, consideration and research material ~
This term ~ "liberal Media" ~ and for that matter ~ liberal this and liberal that ~ has been getting a little annoying ~ like jabbing a finger in your ribs ~ again and again.
Being a southern democrat ~ I assure you ~ there little to be liberal with or about. We waste nothing here ~ we don't spent money just to please or get out of a difficult spot.
We consider all our needs ~ and all our options ~ before we reach into our pockets.
We help the less fortunate went it's clear they need the help ~ We encorage people to work ~ we know ~ just feeding someone ~ is a tempory fix ~ we know that a "hand out" is not the answer but make manys weaker and more dependent if left unchecked.
We know you can't turn a blind eye to social misbehavoir. ~ We must limit and restrict unhealthy behavior.
So when ~ people here ~ pop off ~ liberial this and liberal that ~~ I wonder ~ just where in the hell are they getting this crap ~ this labeling ~ this wide brush ~ that paints and singles out a group of people that seem to be the source of everything "good" ~ not happening!
I found the source at the door step of the FOX network ~ Seem the talking heads ~ and guest talking heads on many of their programs ~ can't seem to dicuss politics without using this term ~ "Liberal" ~ In most cases , you could replace the word "liberal" with "rabid dog" ~ and the sentence and tenor would stil be intacted ~ and flow well.
The thing is ~ These Fox watchers have picked up this term ~ and spread it ~ like the cold germ ~ you can find often, here on the forums ~ and often as not ~ they mirror ~ prevailing additudes ~ of Fox ~ and of the current setting adminstration.
What I have discoverd is ~ To Fox watchers, all media not Fox is considerd "Liberal"
as evident to the post prior to this one. ~ To them ~ the whole world has gone liberal!! ~ they are the true believers ~ and the rest of us are just causing problems.
~ It's amazing how complete the brainwashing is.
I wish to recap ~ some of the information that was persented here and offer it for your consideration and review.
<div class="quote">Most of American media now is corporate controlled, and corporations are not generally known for their liberal thought.
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<div class="quote">The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ...
<div class="quote"> We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of. This is a logical result of the way in which our democratic society is organized. Vast numbers of human beings must cooperate in this manner if they are to live together as a smoothly functioning society. ...In almost every act of our daily lives, whether in the sphere of politics or business, in our social conduct or our ethical thinking, we are dominated by the relatively small number of persons...who understand the mental processes and social patterns of the masses. It is they who pull the wires which control the public mind.
Reality is a perceived thing, and perceptions can be altered with careful thought and planning. By selecting and promoting some things, and ignoring others, the media can essentially control the minds of many people. If those people choose to believe what they see, and are too busy (or too trusting) to research the veracity of the facts they are "given" by the media - it's rather simple to guide them to the end goal you want.
"Even reading through many past posts here, you'll see many Americans who will quickly parrot back the "status quo" position they've been programmed to adapt. Even as those storm clouds darkened, they were unable to listen to Cassandra's call."
There was much more ~ but ~ Fox viewer tire easily ~ so I 'll stop there
Fox cafeteria menu ~ for Monday "for Liberal Day" ~ Warmed over half truths on a sizzleing bed of lies smothered with delicious rainbow cream sauce!! ~ no need to rush ~ supply is unlimited ~ dar | |
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| What does the term Liberal Media mean to you
Posted: 3/8/2008 7:50:55 PM | It means that a campaign started years ago by the right wing to portray the media as liberal was successful.
Here's a site that goes through and cuts the crap about this myth, run by a man who was a republican strategist David Brock (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Brock).
http://mediamatters.org/index | |
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| What does the term Liberal Media mean to you
Posted: 3/8/2008 8:04:00 PM | I don't think the goal of the media is to control the minds of the general population. Isn't the goal of US TV news to remain on air by maintaining high ratings? Not 100% sure, but I think US tv ratings are according to #viewers, not quality/objectivity of program content.
By selecting and promoting some things, and ignoring others, the media can essentially control the minds of many people.
Presenting unpopular or minority viewpoints will not appeal to the majority. In order to keep a large number of viewers, surely the news presented must be mostly mainstream and politically central. In addition, 43% of American adults with only basic and below basic literary skill (55% of whom didn't graduate high school) any news presented must be done in short and simple chunks (National Assessment of Adult Literacy - http://nces.ed.gov/naal/kf_demographics.asp#top)
This large portion of the population, barely literate and poorly educated, are simply not capable of critically assessing news content or the sources, let alone independently researching stories to verify facts. | |
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| What does the term Liberal Media mean to you
Posted: 3/8/2008 8:06:19 PM | Hmm the definitions speak for themselves. I don't need to say more.
Liberal:
1 a: of, relating to, or based on the liberal arts barchaic : of or befitting a man of free birth
2 a: marked by generosity : openhanded b: given or provided in a generous and openhanded way c: ample, full
3obsolete : lacking moral restraint : licentious
4: not literal or strict : loose
5: broad-minded; especially : not bound by authoritarianism, orthodoxy, or traditional forms
6 a: of, favoring, or based upon the principles of liberalism bcapitalized : of or constituting a political party advocating or associated with the principles of political liberalism; especially : of or constituting a political party in the United Kingdom associated with ideals of individual especially economic freedom, greater individual participation in government, and constitutional, political, and administrative reforms designed to secure these objectives
Conservative:
1: preservative
2 a: of or relating to a philosophy of conservatism bcapitalized : of or constituting a political party professing the principles of conservatism: as (1): of or constituting a party of the United Kingdom advocating support of established institutions (2): progressive conservative
3 a: tending or disposed to maintain existing views, conditions, or institutions : traditional b: marked by moderation or caution c: marked by or relating to traditional norms of taste, elegance, style, or manners
4: of, relating to, or practicing Conservative Judaism | |
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| What does the term Liberal Media mean to you
Posted: 3/9/2008 8:01:31 AM |
Hmm the definitions speak for themselves. I don't need to say more.
Message: Thats exactly what I was thinking ~ but you will be supprised to find that many have tampered with the word ~ and use it in context that it was never intended to be used in ~ If you read all the post entry here ~ you will be supprised with what you find.
If you have nothing else to say ~ it my sincere hope that at least you don't stop thinking ~ your own thoughts and not the thoughts of someone elses. ~dar | |
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| What does the term Liberal Media mean to you
Posted: 3/9/2008 8:07:59 AM | When did liberal start to mean communist or socialist?
Doesnt mean that at all here.
The conservative party, roughly equal to the Republican party is called the Liberal party?
Are Americans that paranoid about some foreign socialist threat? | |
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| What does the term Liberal Media mean to you
Posted: 3/9/2008 8:52:12 AM | To me, the term liberal media represents the bias of marginalized conservatives who managed to turn everyday words like 'liberal' and 'media' and 'elite' and 'intellectual' etc into slurs, as a way to shorten the amount of time anything they're unhappy about is taken seriously.
Jonah Goldberg has a new book out which tries to equate Liberals with fascism. So look for 'liberal fascism' to be bandied about on a network near you.
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| What does the term Liberal Media mean to you
Posted: 3/9/2008 8:57:16 AM | ~The term Liberal usally associates with the DNC ~ originally refered to as a "progressive pary" ~ this was back when social reform was on the minds of many.
You really need to read the thread ~ to get the jest of it ~ all ~ the thread topic is just bait. ~ to get a knee jerk action out of those that wish to offer their personal insights to the question.
CNN , ran stories last night ~ It appears that many scientest and the spokeswoman for NASA ( all on Federal Payroll) have been instructed to "put a Sock in it" ~from the White House ~ Regarding issues of Global Warming"
My question is this ~ is this Liberal Media to you? ~ Tree huggers at work ?~
or is this just news? ~ news that we don't really need to know? That scientist are being muffled ~
Another example; ~ I've always known ~ Corn Gas or Flex-fuel ~ whatever you wish to call the crap ~ is a joke. ~ It's uses coal, gas & oil to produce and grow ~ and help with only 7 % of demand on the best of days. ~ It doesn't run as efficent or as clean as they say. ~ So it takes more of it ~ to do the same thing.
Both the GOP and the DNC support this effort ~ telling America it's good! ~ when in fact ~ it's not good!
There is one thing good about it ~ just one ~ The center of our nation ~ the corn growing states ~ now have ~ a reason ~ to grow lots of corn ~ thanks to a 8 billion dollars Federal Subsidy. ~ Now John Deer is happy, Dupont is happy ~ all of Kansas is happy ~ Everybody is happy ~ Even the oil Cartel is happy ~ A politician dream come true ~ as we skip down the yellow brick road ~
Is a media ~ in fear of being called ~ liberal ~~ to report these facts? ~
Is that what Liberal ~ means to you? ~ to know the truth ~ even if it's not pleasant?
Do you wish to live in a Nation where the truth and the facts that are ~ unpopular! and discouraged ~ and that all desending facts and discussion not in line with a setting adminstration is ~~~~" liberal" ~~
That is the question before you ~~~~~ dar | |
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| What does the term Liberal Media mean to you
Posted: 3/9/2008 9:01:32 AM | Jonah Goldberg has a new book out which tries to equate Liberals with fascism. So look for 'liberal fascism' to be bandied about on a network near you.
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Liberal Fascism? lol that takes the cake.
Up there with Hitler was a communist. | |
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