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| What does the term Liberal Media mean to you
Posted: 3/11/2008 1:38:46 PM | Well expand more on your views ~ and attempt to stay on track ~ thats the fun part ~ attempting to develop you ideas ~ to where they ring clear and true.
No one has asked you to be silent ~ I understand you was attacked ~ by one person ~ is all, just one ~ and his post was one of flustration and anger ~ he went so far as questioning all American intelligence ~~ LOL ~ I do too!
Havey, you get a ring side seat ~ you gonna get some seat on ya !
Please , fire away with your ideas ~ dar | |
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| What does the term Liberal Media mean to you
Posted: 3/11/2008 1:43:46 PM | tim - 2 of the 3 people you alluded to as being on Air America aren't for at least a couple of years......I listen to everybody just to understand different perspectives....
I like the deffinition of Liberal as per JFK ......
"What do our opponents mean when they apply to us the label "Liberal?" If by "Liberal" they mean, as they want people to believe, someone who is soft in his policies abroad, who is against local government, and who is unconcerned with the taxpayer's dollar, then the record of this party and its members demonstrate that we are not that kind of "Liberal." But if by a "Liberal" they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people -- their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties -- someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a "Liberal," then I'm proud to say I'm a "Liberal." | |
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| What does the term Liberal Media mean to you
Posted: 3/11/2008 1:50:23 PM |
I listen to everybody just to understand different perspectives....
That's the thing, though.
I want my NEWS to be as unbiased as possible, I don't need nor want a perspective. I want the facts.
I understand and appreciate the desire to hear what different groups of people have to say about current events, but I would consider it separate from where one gets the news. | |
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| What does the term Liberal Media mean to you
Posted: 3/11/2008 1:56:34 PM |
I have offered my opinion and I won't be silent when I see some nutjob going on and on about the new world order and claiming that he knows the real truth.
Well your mistaken to a point there Harvey. While I wouldn't go so far as to call it a new world order. What he's talking about regarding the Media being not true Media has some truth to it. There have been several writers that have warned about this hidden reality but it's not something your going to see on TV or printed in your local newspaper. That of course stands to reason because why would they report about thier own misdoings?
Our local Newspaper about ten years ago was found by the state to be violating an EPA law. It was dumping access ink and othe solvents into the sewer drains. Guess who didn't say a word about this in their daily editions? Hmmm, I don't think you need to be a rocket scientist to figure that one out?
So his point about the media being not true media is very truthful, even if he is a bit confussed into why and how...
I don't trust the Media and any healthy mind would be wise to do the same.
I like your post Harvey and it's nice to see someone so young taking an active interest in their future. Don't let some of these old-timers get you down for being young for youth doesn't mean being wrong nor right it's the sign of progress.  | |
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| What does the term Liberal Media mean to you
Posted: 3/11/2008 2:15:19 PM | | Great HL, then where are you getting your News from? I can't find any source for information that I could say they are completly unbiased.....nor can I find a source that someone won't say is biased.....bias being subjective | |
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| What does the term Liberal Media mean to you
Posted: 3/11/2008 3:06:46 PM |
I want my NEWS to be as unbiased as possible, I don't need nor want a perspective. I want the facts.
Then you are going to have to start to gather a broad a base as necessary to see the inherent bias ALL media (and humans, including you and I) have.
Counting on US sources of information is a great deception, as is any one nation or source.
With the internet, and your age, you've been given a great gift and power. Like any power, it can be misused - or even wasted.
You now have access to more independent sources of information than perhaps people have at any other time in history.
Look at something like Iraq, and the war.
You can read the NY Times, then quickly check out other countries media, and then read the blogs of common men and women in Iraq - US soldiers and Iraqi civilians alike - almost in real time. If you do that, you start to assemble the jigsaw puzzle in front of your eyes.
THIS perspective, THAT bias .
There's no "truth" sometimes. Your bias (which ever way it falls) will color your perceptions, and form your reality. It's almost impossible to be totally non-biased, especially on issues that touch the emotions.
So you take all these various realities, and assemble them together. It's like a View-Master 3D-Viewer held to the eyes, in a way.
The flat image starts to have depth, and becomes alive.
And somewhere in there, if you look hard and long enough, is as close to truth as you can hope to get in this day and age. | |
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| What does the term Liberal Media mean to you
Posted: 3/11/2008 10:43:30 PM | Well ,well ~ march 11th ~ and there's a lot going on tonite!
Obama has took Mississippi ~
Geraldean Ferro ~ has develop an, Open mouth, insert foot ~approach to Hillarys' bid for the white house. ~ stateing ~ Obama wouldn't be where he was if he was not of color ~ Wow! smooth move Exlax. ~ Nothing quite like shooting yourself in the foot with a surpluses statement ~ serving no purpose. She wouldn't be where she is either~ if she wasn't a white woman ~ SO???? da! ~The fine art of throwing the kitchen sink and all the dirty dishes in it ~ I suppose. ~ I never did like her ~
Governor of New York ~ has bought $80 grand worth of tail ~ ~ I don't know if was through Visa or Master Card ~ Personal Use ??? ~ that a lot of tail ~ even at New York prices. ~ Seems the GOP wants his head ~ I wonder if they fear appearances of a double standard ~ for surly they like tail too ~ but $8o grand? ~ Is this guy a democrat? sure sounds like one. ~
Glen Dodds ~ said tonight ~ he's spoke with the producer ~ and there is to be a program shift ~ they are backing off the hard line commentary ~ yea ~ right! ~ I've found his theoretics lean hard to the right ~Yet ~ he's like a headless chicken ~ he'll flop any direction that the wind blows as the wings fan the air and the legs go into riggers with no longer a head to direct movement. He admitted he was a alcholic today ~ reformed ofcoarse ~ I think he need a drink ~ myself.
Obama ~ is left handed ~ I seen him signing some banners ~ the only real news I know tonight.
Oh ! and a General ~Mirl Williams ~ threw in the towel ~ today ~ had enough of bubbas' circus ~ we have two things in common, My parents mispelled my first name too!
Thanks for you insight, Jim, topgear, nice to see you show up and all others ~ Harvey ~ MG ~designing woman, ` It's personlly helps me ~ to hear ~ everyones take ~ on whats happening and how it's being received. ~ I've learned some things and find comfort in the understanding. ~dar | |
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| What does the term Liberal Media mean to you
Posted: 3/12/2008 2:06:29 AM | Great HL, then where are you getting your News from? I can't find any source for information that I could say they are completly unbiased
Of course, which is why, if you'll recall, I said I want my source of news to be as unbiased as possible. When a supposed news organization is famous because of its bias (Fox News, Air America), I'm finished.
Then you are going to have to start to gather a broad a base as necessary to see the inherent bias ALL media (and humans, including you and I) have.
Of course. I don't believe any citizen can any longer pick up one newspaper or watch one channel and pretend to have any intellectual honesty.
And I should hope the following lecture about my age, while undoubtedly good natured, will be the last now that I've demonstrated my awareness of the world I live in.
With the internet, and your age, you've been given a great gift and power. Like any power, it can be misused - or even wasted.
You now have access to more independent sources of information than perhaps people have at any other time in history.
Look at something like Iraq, and the war.
You can read the NY Times, then quickly check out other countries media, and then read the blogs of common men and women in Iraq - US soldiers and Iraqi civilians alike - almost in real time. If you do that, you start to assemble the jigsaw puzzle in front of your eyes.
THIS perspective, THAT bias .
There's no "truth" sometimes. Your bias (which ever way it falls) will color your perceptions, and form your reality. It's almost impossible to be totally non-biased, especially on issues that touch the emotions.
So you take all these various realities, and assemble them together. It's like a View-Master 3D-Viewer held to the eyes, in a way.
The flat image starts to have depth, and becomes alive.
And somewhere in there, if you look hard and long enough, is as close to truth as you can hope to get in this day and age. | |
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| What does the term Liberal Media mean to you
Posted: 3/12/2008 4:22:03 AM |
tim - 2 of the 3 people you alluded to as being on Air America aren't for at least a couple of years......I listen to everybody just to understand different perspectives.... As I said in the post ” I’ve had only limited experience with Air America since it is not as commercially viable…“Air America isn’t available in my area. I used to pick it up every now and then when traveling, but it just doesn’t seem to be as commercially viable, which I suppose is why more stations don’t carry it.
I like the deffinition of Liberal as per JFK ......
"What do our opponents mean when they apply to us the label "Liberal?" If by "Liberal" they mean, as they want people to believe, someone who is soft in his policies abroad, who is against local government, and who is unconcerned with the taxpayer's dollar, then the record of this party and its members demonstrate that we are not that kind of "Liberal." But if by a "Liberal" they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people -- their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties -- someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a "Liberal," then I'm proud to say I'm a "Liberal."
I’d like his definition of it too, especially if it were accurate. Heck, if that’s what a true liberal is, then I’m one too! The difference is I don’t just care about the poor; I care about the middle class and upper class too. Let’s look at Democratic History, perhaps you can tell me when the Democratic Party shifted from the “regular” brand of Liberal and became JFK’s version of Liberal…
Slavery – Staunchly defended by democrats (Lincoln was a Republican)
Welfare – Another failed democratic notion
Segregation – How soon we forget that from reconstruction until 1970, the south was almost exclusively governed by Democrats. Some of the more prominent ones leading up to desegregation…
Wallace
Thurmond
Byrd
Maddox
Jones
Graves
Rainach
Carter (Asa, not Jimmy)
Bilbo
Gandy
Eastland
Smith…
I could go on and on listing those Liberals, or what we call segregationists, but I thought it best to list more of those who opposed the Civil Rights Bill while it was actually being voted on. I think Kennedy’s definition was pretty much limited to a small compound in Hiannisport….
By the time you factor in Viet Nam, tax increases and NAFTA, three things that in the last 40 years have almost destroyed the poor and middle class it seems that the term is more of a mantra for self justification of exploitation rather than correcting social inequities. (It’s the hypocrisy that gives you away….)
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| What does the term Liberal Media mean to you
Posted: 3/12/2008 4:40:13 AM | Wallace
Thurmond
Byrd
Maddox
Jones
Graves
Rainach
Carter (Asa, not Jimmy)
Bilbo
Gandy
Eastland
Smith…
I've never seen these people described as liberals before. The fact they opposed the Civil rights movement is indicative of them being conservatives during that period.
Liberal and Democratic Party are not the same thing. Thurmond after all after doing the longest filibuster in history over the civil rights act, was ALLOWED int the republican party. If the republican party had such an issue with this sort of behavior, why was he admitted?
Meanwhile JFK signed multiple executive orders attempting to deal with segregation. LBJ fought like hell to get the 1964 civil rights act passed.
Oddly enough, the states that fought like hell to keep segregation going? THEY seem to know the party that fits their views, they go Republican ellection after ellection...
So why can't you figure it out?
Oh wait, you can't, you're just throwing up a smoke screen, attempting to re-define "liberal" into a straw man. | |
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| What does the term Liberal Media mean to you
Posted: 3/12/2008 6:17:11 AM |
And I should hope the following lecture about my age, while undoubtedly good natured, will be the last now that I've demonstrated my awareness of the world I live in.
And you know one of the great benefits of growing older, and (with any luck) wiser ?
Looking back at how you were when you were a young man, and smiling at the very thought  | |
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| What does the term Liberal Media mean to you
Posted: 3/12/2008 7:28:48 AM | Over the years ~ I've enjoyed many far right leaning friends ~ not the soft hands type ~ but hard men with hard and narrow Ideas. They are the self -reliant type. ~ Hate government as do I ~ but accept it with b`i`t`ching rights. We hunt and fish ~ take whiskey trips. ~ They are not the touchy-feelly type. ~ They got their's the hard way (outwardly) it seems and expect everyone else to do the same. I like to be associated with them ~ they carry their weight ~ and make few excuses for their errors or failures.
They are a little on the homophobic side and once they have thought something through ~ there is little changing their minds. ~ They are some of the best friends you can have.
One of my friend use to say ~ speaking of Government, " I don't give a damn what they do with the money once they have taken it from me ~ they have stoled my money!"
That always made me laugh ~ makes perfect sense ~ lol ~ but we should care. ~ I guess thats where my friend and I differ.
Tim ~ you are a great case study ~ and I enjoy your post ~ and thanks for sharing your views ~ It's my hope that others might help us out with countering viewpoint on some of the view points that you offer. ~
Alot of these men you speak of were men of their times ~ their words and deeds are reflective of that. ~ All political parties have evolved from their original beginning and are still doing so today. ~ Geo Wallace ~ Thurman ~ Linclon ~ active player in lifes game ~ To accept the good and be blinded to the bad of each ~ because they were on a certain "team" is perhaps a conservertive approach ~ I guess that one reason, ~ I can't call myself a conservertive.
Regarding slavery and the civil war ~and politic of the time ~ there's a "must read" thread , ~ "what sparked the civil war" ~ I'm not sure if Top Gear authored the thread ~ but the thread ~ with his help ~ offered much insights ~ it was a great read and many contributed.
~dar | |
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| What does the term Liberal Media mean to you
Posted: 3/12/2008 11:11:58 AM |
And you know one of the great benefits of growing older, and (with any luck) wiser ?
Quite frankly I'm sick of that attitude.
Is there anything I can say on any subject that isn't a result of my being young? It's growing tiresome. | |
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| What does the term Liberal Media mean to you
Posted: 3/12/2008 11:34:30 AM |
Quite frankly I'm sick of that attitude.
Is there anything I can say on any subject that isn't a result of my being young? It's growing tiresome
HL, I can't help you much on that point, other than to say be strong and control your feelings. It will make you the better person over those who have to resort to age as a tactic to dispute your arguments...
From what I've read of your post when your not wasting time having to defend your age (My advice don't bother yourself with that just write what you know). I see much knowledge in your statements as some people twice your age. The funny thing is a lot of people think just because they are older makes them smarter. | |
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| What does the term Liberal Media mean to you
Posted: 3/12/2008 12:39:38 PM | hooray! add to the above we have always given back any territory we have ever invaded overseas.
liberal media is what we have in the united states today. they are openly rooting for the democrats, and having fun with the obama clinton battle. sells air time, sells papers. they will do what they can to engineer the election the democrats way, for a variety of reasons. they must be checked, because they will commit treason if not checked. do we really need to know where prince harry is operating out of? must the terrorists be informed of our governments financial moves against them, the way the ny times did a while back?? i say not. with a media like this, we would have lost every battle against a foreign power we have ever fought. they are way out of line, and an administration with any stones should have closed the ny times down, even if the effort failed it would have called for an examination of the fourth estate and its excesses. | |
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| What does the term Liberal Media mean to you
Posted: 3/12/2008 12:48:58 PM | Wow.
You do realize that it was a right wing media outlet (Drudge Report) that reported where Prince Harry operated out of. Many of your fellow right wingers posted here celebrating that.
And it was a right wing columnist that outed a covert CIA operative and the entire brass plate cover company that was used by the CIA to find rogue WMD's.
And as far as treason goes, shouldn't you be looking at those in power who are actively fighting against the principles on which your country was founded? | |
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| What does the term Liberal Media mean to you
Posted: 3/12/2008 1:02:15 PM |
shouldn't you be looking at those in power who are actively fighting against the principles on which your country was founded?
Exactly! It's people who advocate censoring the freedom of speech and Press that should frighten people the most. Anyone who would support such activities doesn't deserve either liberty nor safety, they are it's enemy!
Nazi's, Facsist, Totalitarian and Corprotism seek only such measures. Silence everyone who dare disagree or oppose them...
We should however thank people like that for giving us the insight to their underlying feeling toward their fellow human beings. It's really best we and everyone know what their true design and object of desire is and that's the subjugation of everyone but themselves... | |
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| What does the term Liberal Media mean to you
Posted: 3/12/2008 2:25:17 PM | trapper....that which does not bend breaks, including your mind.....
Harvey Lemmings - Am I not getting it? Where do you get the majority of your News from? (tussles the little guys hair, thus the picture, ok. I am bad....)
tim....if it wasn't commercially viable then why does XM carry it? Why is it still functioning? You might want to listen again, they actually talk with real republicans and talk to many people of opposing veiwpoings. Apparently these markets are supporting them....
Eastern
Ann Arbor, MI - WLBY-AM 1290 AM
Asheville, NC - WPEK-AM 880 AM
Brattleboro, VT - WKVT-AM 1490 AM
Chapel Hill, NC - WCHL-AM 1360 AM
Charlottesville, VA - WVAX-AM 1450 AM
Columbia, SC - WOIC-AM 1230 AM
Dade City, FL - WDCF 1350 AM
Detroit, MI - WDTW-AM 1310 AM
Frederick, MD - WWWB-AM 820 AM
Grand Rapids, MI - WTKG-AM 1230
Greenfield, MA - WHMQ-AM 1240 AM
Huntington, WV - WRVC-AM 930 AM
Ithaca, NY - WNYY-AM 1470-AM
Manassas, VA - WWWT-FM 107.7 FM
Miami, FL - WINZ-AM 940 AM
Montpelier/Barre/St Johnsbury, VT - WDEV-AM 550
New York, NY - WWRL 1600 AM
Northampton, MA - WHMP-AM 1400 AM
Petoskey, MI - WWKK-AM 750 AM
Pittsburgh, PA - WPTT-AM 1360
Portland, ME - WLVP-AM 870 AM
Rochester, NY - WROC-AM 1230 AM
Springfield, MA - WHNP-AM 1600 AM
State College, PA - WBLF-AM 970 AM
Tampa, FL - WTAN-AM 1340 AM
Washington, DC - WWRC-AM 1260 AM
Washington, DC - WWWT-AM 1500 AM
West Palm Beach, FL - WJNO-AM 1290 AM
Central
Baton Rouge, LA - WPYR-AM 1380 AM
Brainerd, MN - WWWI-AM 1270 AM
Chicago, IL - WCPT-AM 850 AM
Columbus, OH - WVKO-AM 1580 AM
Huntington, WV - WCMI-AM 1340 AM
Madison, WI - WXXM-FM 92.1 FM
Marion/Carbondale, IL - WINI-AM 1420
Memphis, TN - WWTQ-AM 680 AM
Minneapolis-St. Paul, MN - KTNF-AM 950 AM
St. Louis, MO - KRFT-AM 1190 AM
Mountain
Albuquerque, NM - KABQ-AM 135 AM
Denver, CO - KKZN-AM 760 AM
Missoula, MT - KMPT-AM 930 AM
Phoenix, AZ - KPHX-AM 1480 AM
Santa Fe, NM - KTRC-AM 1260 AM
Sheridan, WY - KYTI-FM HD 93.7-3 FM
Taos, NM - KVOT-AM 1340
Pacific
Astoria, OR - KKEE 1230 AM
Eugene, OR - KOPT-AM 1600 AM
Ereka, CA - KGOE-AM 1480
Los Angeles, CA - KTLK-AM 1150 AM
Medford-Ashland, OR - KEZX-AM 730 AM
Monterey-Salinas-Santa Cruz, CA - KRXA-AM 540
North Bend / Coos Bay, OR - KBBR-AM 1340
Palm Springs, CA - KPTR-AM 1340 AM
Portland, OR - KPOJ-AM 620 AM
Reno, NV - KJFK-AM 1230 AM
San Francisco, CA - KKGN-AM 960 AM
San Luis Obispo, CA - KYNS-AM 1340 AM
Santa Barbara, CA - KIST-AM 1340 AM
Seattle, WA - KPTK-AM 1090 AM
Spokane, WA - KPTQ-AM 1280 AM
Victor Valley, CA - KSZL-AM 1230 AM
Alaska/Hawaii
Anchorage, AK - KUDO-AM 1080 AM | |
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| What does the term Liberal Media mean to you
Posted: 3/12/2008 2:48:35 PM |
Am I not getting it? Where do you get the majority of your News from?
No one source. As far as American news outlets go I check out CNN and NPR mostly. Internationally it's the BBC and al Jazeera. The best way I have found to follow news from around the world is through a current events message board with a fair amount of international posters, you can't do it alone. | |
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| What does the term Liberal Media mean to you
Posted: 3/12/2008 3:07:04 PM | cnn is known as either certainly not news or the clinton news network.
npr is outrageously liberal with NOT ONE conservative viewpoint on anything and today is not neccessary, not with the nets and cable openly liberal. why should our tax dollars go to pay for it? trust me, the ford foundation, etc can afford to pay for it to advance their communist/socialist agenda. to beg for money as they do is totally audacious.
BBC is socialist/communist. hates israel, this , while some of their reporters were held hostage by arabs. what a laugh!
al jazeera? by arabs for arabs. they will cover an israeli attack while never mentioning what prompted it.
drudge is really just a compliation of sources. has liberal AND conservative for those of us who are open minded. but some here are showing their erroneous zones, and the blind hatred of the right. | |
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| What does the term Liberal Media mean to you
Posted: 3/12/2008 3:08:43 PM | | p.s .most of those radio outlets shown above are the local low rent stations......none of them are the high wattage, big money, heavy listener outlets. | |
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| What does the term Liberal Media mean to you
Posted: 3/12/2008 4:35:48 PM |
cnn is known as either certainly not news or the clinton news network.
It's where a lot of Americans go for their news, I'd say that makes it very important to read.
npr is outrageously liberal with NOT ONE conservative viewpoint on anything and today is not neccessary, not with the nets and cable openly liberal
NPR leans slightly left but I still consider it a news source. At work, on the bus it's a great source.
BBC is socialist/communist
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al jazeera? by arabs for arabs. they will cover an israeli attack while never mentioning what prompted it.
al Jazeera is more balanced than you might think. And with the Middle East continuing to be a powder keg in todays world I consider it vital to know what their media is reporting.
drudge is really just a compliation of sources. has liberal AND conservative for those of us who are open minded.
Oh, my ass. | |
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| What does the term Liberal Media mean to you
Posted: 3/12/2008 4:47:03 PM | HL that was a really good post 
BBC
Is a great source to get an outside perspective on how the world views America...
NPR
Another decent source for news and the least biased when compared to CNN, NBC, ABC, & CBS ...
al Jazeera
Yes, very wise to listen to what they have to say...
An informed individual is the sign of an intelligent individual.... Good job HL | |
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| What does the term Liberal Media mean to you
Posted: 3/12/2008 7:23:02 PM |
Whenever I hear the term "liberal media" being used it means some right-wing nutjob is flapping his/her gums over something he/she knows nothing factual about (and can't actually make a logical argument about).
That's your opinion (which means your not paying attention).
Usually, these "right-wing nutjob(s)" have factual proof before they open their mouths. They have to, there's so many lefty whistle blowers who have nothing better to do but to monitor conservative talk shows and try to find one fraction of incredibility to get that host removed. They always fail, because they don't have any credible facts to justify their allegations.
Oh, by the way - its called "drive-by media" (pay attention) | |
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